Many thanks for your answer, but if I would have the POH I would not post the
question.
As mentioned in the question, we planing a runway extension and try to figure
out the length of the runway to acceptthe named types of aircraft

--- On Fri, 12/25/09, greg freeman <pkgwap6153@...> wrote:


From: greg freeman <pkgwap6153@...>
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] Question
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 25, 2009, 3:12 PM


 



Pull out the POH for this aircraft and do the weight and take off performance
calculations for the temps you listed. make sure you allow of any obstacles as
well. This is the only way to get accurate, correct data. These numbers will
very by aircraft so use the information provided for that tail number. 
Greg FreemanFlight Instructorhttp: //centexflighttr aining.com

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, Bernhard R <bernhado2000@ yahoo.de> wrote:

From: Bernhard R <bernhado2000@ yahoo.de>
Subject: [Real Pilots] Question
To: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 7:41 AM

 

Dear Pilot,

may be one can answer my question.

Runway required for small jets like citation lear or global express.

reason: a friend owns a airfield an we planing a extension of the runway and
also a fly in community in europe.

the field elevation is 450 / 1500 Meters / ft msl summer temperatures are up to
40°C / 105°F

Also I wish everybody a merry xmas and a happy new year

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Pull out the POH for this aircraft and do the weight and take off performance
calculations for the temps you listed. make sure you allow of any obstacles as
well. This is the only way to get accurate, correct data. These numbers will
very by aircraft so use the information provided for that tail number. 
Greg FreemanFlight Instructorhttp://centexflighttraining.com

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, Bernhard R <bernhado2000@...> wrote:

From: Bernhard R <bernhado2000@...>
Subject: [Real Pilots] Question
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 7:41 AM
















 









       Dear Pilot,



may be one can answer my question.



Runway required for small jets like citation lear or global express.



reason: a friend owns a airfield an we planing a extension of the runway and
also a fly in community in europe.



the field elevation is 450 / 1500 Meters / ft msl summer temperatures are up to
40°C / 105°F



Also I wish everybody a merry xmas and a happy new year



























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Please check the performance limits (takeoff/landing requirements and field
lengths, etc) for the airplanes in question. The details you gave (elevation and
temps) are sensitive and will require long runways. Also check the thrust
setting pages of each ai

On Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 2:41 PM CET Bernhard R wrote:

>Dear Pilot,
>
>may be one can answer my question.
>
>Runway required for small jets like citation lear or global express.
>
>reason: a friend owns a airfield an we planing a extension of the runway and
also a fly in community in europe.
>
>the field elevation is 450 / 1500 Meters / ft msl summer temperatures are up to
40°C / 105°F
>
>Also I wish everybody a merry xmas and a happy new year
>

Runway requirements vary greatly for different aircraft. You list Citation and
Global Express as small jets. The Global Express is the same size as the
regional jets flown by the airlines and Citations range from the CJ1 to the
Citation X. In your case, 1500 meter (just under 5000 feet) runway might be long
enough for small jets but weight is something else to consider.
Your question is too general for much of an answer. Many small jets require more
runway for takeoff than for landing. They may be able to take off from 1500
meters but only with enough fuel for around an hour's flight. I've had many
cases where I had to fly to a larger airport and get the fuel needed for the
trip. This is an inconvenience and extra cost that many people will not want to
deal with if the larger airport is close enough.
Is this a commercial airport? If it's a private field, why are you concerned
with what kind of jet traffic can land there?
If you're just needing aircraft performance figures for a given runway,
elevation and temperature, I'd suggest narrowing your question to one aircraft
type or find a manual for various aircraft and run the numbers.

Paul





-----Original Message-----
From: Bernhard R <bernhado2000@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 7:41 am
Subject: [Real Pilots] Question





Dear Pilot,

may be one can answer my question.

Runway required for small jets like citation lear or global express.

reason: a friend owns a airfield an we planing a extension of the runway and
also a fly in community in europe.

the field elevation is 450 / 1500 Meters / ft msl summer temperatures are up to
40°C / 105°F

Also I wish everybody a merry xmas and a happy new year









[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Pilot,

may be one can answer my question.

Runway required for small jets like citation lear or global express.

reason: a friend owns a airfield an we planing a extension of the runway and
also a fly in community in europe.

the field elevation is 450 / 1500 Meters / ft msl summer temperatures are up to
40°C / 105°F

Also I wish everybody a merry xmas and a happy new year

Lololo.... i received in other list the same text of Da Vinci but writing in
Italian.







"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

  Leonardo da Vinci

   _____

De: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogroups.com] Em nome
de Lisa
Enviada em: sexta-feira, 27 de novembro de 2009 13:50
Para: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: Re: RES: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test





no, thats ok, just teasing you

Lisa

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci

________________________________
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@coopanestmg
<mailto:raphael%40coopanestmg.com.br> .com.br>
To: RealPilots@yahoogro <mailto:RealPilots%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 2:16:39 AM
Subject: RES: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test


Lololo..

Ok, i'll change...srsrs

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

_____

De: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com] Em nome
de Lisa
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 16:52
Para: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Assunto: Re: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

squawking 7500

Raphael hijacked my quote!!!

grin

Lisa

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return." ~ Leonardo da Vinci

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@coopanestm g
<mailto:raphael% 40coopanestmg. com.br> .com.br>
To: RealPilots@yahoogro <mailto:RealPilots% 40yahoogroups. com> ups.com
Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 4:19:59 AM
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

OK...

But is it an online test?

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

_____

De: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:RealPilots@ yahoogro ups.com] Em
nome
de uwstuntman
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 09:16
Para: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Assunto: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

The test that I passed was simply spoken. Simple questions that could come
up during a flight with passengers or air traffic control.

I vividly remember one that I didn't do so well with, simply because I
started explaining the entire pre-flight procedure to the evaluator.

The question was : "How do you check to see if we have enough fuel?"

The simple answer would have been something like: "I insert a measuring
stick into the fuel tank before we take off"

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no, thats ok, just teasing you
 
Lisa
 
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci




________________________________
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 27, 2009 2:16:39 AM
Subject: RES: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

 
Lololo..

Ok, i'll change...srsrs

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

_____

De: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com] Em nome
de Lisa
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 16:52
Para: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Assunto: Re: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

squawking 7500

Raphael hijacked my quote!!!

grin

Lisa

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return." ~ Leonardo da Vinci

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@coopanestm g
<mailto:raphael% 40coopanestmg. com.br> .com.br>
To: RealPilots@yahoogro <mailto:RealPilots% 40yahoogroups. com> ups.com
Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 4:19:59 AM
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

OK...

But is it an online test?

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

_____

De: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:RealPilots@ yahoogro ups.com] Em nome
de uwstuntman
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 09:16
Para: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Assunto: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

The test that I passed was simply spoken. Simple questions that could come
up during a flight with passengers or air traffic control.

I vividly remember one that I didn't do so well with, simply because I
started explaining the entire pre-flight procedure to the evaluator.

The question was : "How do you check to see if we have enough fuel?"

The simple answer would have been something like: "I insert a measuring
stick into the fuel tank before we take off"

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--- In RealPilots@yahoogroups.com, "Raphael - Coopanest" <raphael@...> wrote:
>
> OK...
>
> But is it an online test?

I was there in person during my language proficiency test. What normally happens
(I'm in Canada) is that the student and the evaluator are in different rooms and
the test is conducted via cell phone, but I'm one of the last people on Earth
who doesn't own a cell phone to this day. So I was simply placed in a position
where I couldn't see the evaluator speak.

>   _____
>
> De: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogroups.com] Em nome
> de uwstuntman
> Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 09:16
> Para: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
> Assunto: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test
>

>
> The test that I passed was simply spoken. Simple questions that could come
> up during a flight with passengers or air traffic control.
>
> I vividly remember one that I didn't do so well with, simply because I
> started explaining the entire pre-flight procedure to the evaluator.
>
> The question was : "How do you check to see if we have enough fuel?"
>
> The simple answer would have been something like: "I insert a measuring
> stick into the fuel tank before we take off"
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Lololo..

Ok, i'll change...srsrs











"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

  Leonardo da Vinci

   _____

De: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogroups.com] Em nome
de Lisa
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 16:52
Para: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: Re: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test





squawking 7500

Raphael hijacked my quote!!!

grin

Lisa

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci

________________________________
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@coopanestmg
<mailto:raphael%40coopanestmg.com.br> .com.br>
To: RealPilots@yahoogro <mailto:RealPilots%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 4:19:59 AM
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test


OK...

But is it an online test?

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

_____

De: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com] Em nome
de uwstuntman
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 09:16
Para: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Assunto: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

The test that I passed was simply spoken. Simple questions that could come
up during a flight with passengers or air traffic control.

I vividly remember one that I didn't do so well with, simply because I
started explaining the entire pre-flight procedure to the evaluator.

The question was : "How do you check to see if we have enough fuel?"

The simple answer would have been something like: "I insert a measuring
stick into the fuel tank before we take off"

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squawking 7500

Raphael hijacked my quote!!!

grin
 
Lisa
 
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci




________________________________
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 4:19:59 AM
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

 
OK...

But is it an online test?

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

_____

De: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com] Em nome
de uwstuntman
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 09:16
Para: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Assunto: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test

The test that I passed was simply spoken. Simple questions that could come
up during a flight with passengers or air traffic control.

I vividly remember one that I didn't do so well with, simply because I
started explaining the entire pre-flight procedure to the evaluator.

The question was : "How do you check to see if we have enough fuel?"

The simple answer would have been something like: "I insert a measuring
stick into the fuel tank before we take off"

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OK...

But is it an online test?







"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

  Leonardo da Vinci

   _____

De: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogroups.com] Em nome
de uwstuntman
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 26 de novembro de 2009 09:16
Para: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: [Real Pilots] Re: ICAO English Test





The test that I passed was simply spoken. Simple questions that could come
up during a flight with passengers or air traffic control.

I vividly remember one that I didn't do so well with, simply because I
started explaining the entire pre-flight procedure to the evaluator.

The question was : "How do you check to see if we have enough fuel?"

The simple answer would have been something like: "I insert a measuring
stick into the fuel tank before we take off"





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The test that I passed was simply spoken. Simple questions that could come up
during a flight with passengers or air traffic control.

I vividly remember one that I didn't do so well with, simply because I started
explaining the entire pre-flight procedure to the evaluator.

The question was : "How do you check to see if we have enough fuel?"

The simple answer would have been something like: "I insert a measuring stick
into the fuel tank before we take off"

Hi.

Anybody have an example of ICAO Proficiency English Test to send me?

I'm very interested to know it and sure, I want to practice with a similar
material.

I was looking on the internet but couldn't find anything about it. Well
thanks all.











"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

  Leonardo da Vinci



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Two Minutes in
Colorado

http://www.citizenlink.org/Stoplight/A000010256.cfm?utm_id=emailafriend&utm_camp\
aign=1

Lisa

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci





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I certainly might be off-base here, but I have a little different perspective on
this because of the nature of what you're intending to do.  Perhaps I've had
some unusual circumstances, but being military has given me the ability to see
what local pilots (and isntructors) are doing in different parts of the country,
and one thing I've noticed is that there is almost always a two-track system
when it comes to these things.  There are those pilots who show up at the local
airport who, though they might secretly harbor thoughts about airline employment
one day, simply want to learn to fly.  Alternately, there are those pilots who
know exactly what they want to do, and will probably go through the more formal
process of critically selecting a flight school and obtaining financing.  The
first group is more likely the one you're after, since the second group (in my
experience) seems to favor the more structured approach of large operations
(that might or
  might not include a regular college degree incorporated with the training). 
 
I think it's important to recognize the different types of students here because
the first seems to be more discretionary spending, in my view, and these are the
folks that are more likely to cut back.  To them, flying is a luxury, and
they're more often than not going to cut out exactly those types of luxuries
when the economy is on the decline.  (I'm an amateur motorcycle racer on the
side and have seen that sport drop off at least 70%, for example---the risk
of destroying your bike doesn't sit well with you when you're worried about
your job).  The "professiona-track" pilots are going to have a more robust
market even in a downturn because they're approaching it from the standpoint of
an investment in their future.  This is why you see record college enrollments
even as college prices skyrocket and job prospects dim.  The more important
question for those folks is probably whether financing is available, since most
have confidence that
  they're doing the right thing and whatever the market looks like, it will
rebound.
 
Since it doesn't sound like you're looking for full time employment with a major
school, I'd say you're going to be catering to those people who still have a
good financial base, and while I don't think the situation is hopeless, those
people are certainly a smaller group than what we saw a year or two ago. 
Prospects look much dimmer, but it certainly isn't over yet.  There will always
be those people with the dream and the money, and if you're the best bang for
their buck in your area, they'll pick you.
 
Just my two cents.
 
Brian

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, greg freeman <pkgwap6153@...> wrote:


From: greg freeman <pkgwap6153@...>
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 8:38 AM


 



I think it is very much going to depend on what the airlines do in the next few
months.. If they really start recalling all the furlowed pilots as the industry
claims then there will be an uptick in flight training. Right now the kids that
wanted to fly don't want to train now to wait a year or two to get a job. 
Once the airlines start hiring then the instructors that have the time that want
to go will go, people will begin to hear about the "pilot shortage" and dream of
making big money working part time and traveling to exotic places... They will
come out to learn to fly and the instructors will be gone (Like in 2007). 
It will happen, it might be spring, summer or fall of next year, I have a hand
full of students that are doing it just to learn. Most of the younger ones that
wanted to fly for the airlines have dropped the dream when they found out that
the days of being hired to sit right seat of a jet with 300 hours are gone. 

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Steven Lehar <slehar@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Steven Lehar <slehar@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?
To: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 7:04 AM

 

Sorry, didn't mean to "hijack your thread" -- I just happen to think that an

impending catastrophic crash of the US dollar is very relevant to the

question of whether it is a good time to strike out as a freelance flight

instructor. Seems right ON topic from my perspective.

But your view may vary, I can live with that.

Steve

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:21 AM, <pgilb22436@ aol. com> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hey Steve,

>

> Although I agree with many of your statements, that is way off topic. If

> you don't have any information on the current state of the instruction

> market, that's fine. I didn't ask about the state of the U.S. Market or

> opinions of current politicians.

> At least don't hijack my thread for it.

> If you need me I'll be in the corner hunkered down with my AK-47 and my

> copy of the FAR's.

>

> Paul

>

>

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Contact me off-list if you want and I'll give you the contact information for
someone currently working out of that area with a good deal of local experience.
 
Brian

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, pgilb22436@... <pgilb22436@...> wrote:


From: pgilb22436@... <pgilb22436@...>
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 10:15 AM


 




I live on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. I'm considering keeping the airplane at
Gulfport Airport.

Paul


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Thats what Im working towards.. I know it will take me a few year to get my
hours.. Im a Systems Admin 5 days a week.. I am figuring I can teach at night
and the weekends..   Though I still have a ways to go before I get there..
Need to finish my Private and get my Instrament and then CFI ratings...The CFI's
at the school I am at do not make that much though... but as a part time job I
think it will be fun....
 
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________________________________
From: greg freeman <pkgwap6153@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 4:11:39 PM
Subject: Re: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?

 
I'm a computer engineer for a household name.. 4 days a week and a flight
instructor 3 to 4 days a week. 

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@coopanestmg .com.br> wrote:

From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@coopanestmg .com.br>
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?
To: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:17 PM

 

Hi guys,

This is a group of Real Pilot. So, where do you work?

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your

eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long

to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm a computer engineer for a household name.. 4 days a week and a flight
instructor 3 to 4 days a week. 

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@...> wrote:

From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@...>
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 12:17 PM
















 









       Hi guys,



This is a group of Real Pilot. So, where do you work?



"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your

eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long

to return."



Leonardo da Vinci



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Hey Lisa, what do you do for Boeing?

As for me, I was furloughed from Flight Options in January. Been working
offshore as an electronics tech for the past eight months and just starting to
work for a small charter company flying a King Air and Baron on my days off from
the offshore job.

Paul









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ehh, just another aerospace corporation with a constant fear of lay-off. At
least we get a 60-day notice which is a lot better than "don't bother coming in
on Monday.


Lisa

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci




________________________________
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 10:25:38 AM
Subject: RES: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?


Realy? Cool...

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

_____

De: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com] Em nome
de Lisa
Enviada em: terça-feira, 24 de novembro de 2009 15:24
Para: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Assunto: Re: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?

The Boeing Company

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return." ~ Leonardo da Vinci

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@coopanestm g
<mailto:raphael% 40coopanestmg. com.br> .com.br>
To: RealPilots@yahoogro <mailto:RealPilots% 40yahoogroups. com> ups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 10:17:44 AM
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?

Hi guys,

This is a group of Real Pilot. So, where do you work?

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

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Realy? Cool...











"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

  Leonardo da Vinci

   _____

De: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com [mailto:RealPilots@yahoogroups.com] Em nome
de Lisa
Enviada em: terça-feira, 24 de novembro de 2009 15:24
Para: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Assunto: Re: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?





The Boeing Company

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return." ~ Leonardo da Vinci

________________________________
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@coopanestmg
<mailto:raphael%40coopanestmg.com.br> .com.br>
To: RealPilots@yahoogro <mailto:RealPilots%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 10:17:44 AM
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?

Hi guys,

This is a group of Real Pilot. So, where do you work?

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

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The Boeing Company


"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci




________________________________
From: Raphael - Coopanest <raphael@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 10:17:44 AM
Subject: RES: [Real Pilots] changing to FAR/AIM thread for Paul?


Hi guys,

This is a group of Real Pilot. So, where do you work?

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

Leonardo da Vinci

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Hi guys,

This is a group of Real Pilot. So, where do you work?











"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long
to return."

  Leonardo da Vinci



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>>does anyone know where to buy an FAR/AIM at Sporty's prices (<$10) but without
the exorbitant hold-up type shipping cost?<<


  Amazon has the 2010 FAR/AIM for $11.53 but shipping will run you $4. They have
free shipping if you buy more than $25 worth of stuff so do some Christmas
shopping and get it shipped free.
As far as those ramp checks go, carry that AK-47 with you and no feds will say a
thing about you not having a current VOR check logged. LOL





Paul



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I hear they dont have it so great either Steve. Most people who want to learn
to fly will seak out a school first unless they happen o know someone. I would
rather instruct in someone elses plane especially during the solo phase.
 
Lisa
 
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci




________________________________
From: Steven Lehar <slehar@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:04:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?

 
Sorry, didn't mean to "hijack your thread" -- I just happen to think that an
impending catastrophic crash of the US dollar is very relevant to the
question of whether it is a good time to strike out as a freelance flight
instructor. Seems right ON topic from my perspective.

But your view may vary, I can live with that.

Steve

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:21 AM, <pgilb22436@aol. com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hey Steve,
>
> Although I agree with many of your statements, that is way off topic. If
> you don't have any information on the current state of the instruction
> market, that's fine. I didn't ask about the state of the U.S. Market or
> opinions of current politicians.
> At least don't hijack my thread for it.
> If you need me I'll be in the corner hunkered down with my AK-47 and my
> copy of the FAR's.
>
> Paul
>
>

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sort of like the air traffic controller shortage???
 
Lisa
 
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci




________________________________
From: greg freeman <pkgwap6153@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 5:38:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?

 
I think it is very much going to depend on what the airlines do in the next few
months.. If they really start recalling all the furlowed pilots as the industry
claims then there will be an uptick in flight training. Right now the kids that
wanted to fly don't want to train now to wait a year or two to get a job. 
Once the airlines start hiring then the instructors that have the time that want
to go will go, people will begin to hear about the "pilot shortage" and dream of
making big money working part time and traveling to exotic places... They will
come out to learn to fly and the instructors will be gone (Like in 2007). 
It will happen, it might be spring, summer or fall of next year, I have a hand
full of students that are doing it just to learn. Most of the younger ones that
wanted to fly for the airlines have dropped the dream when they found out that
the days of being hired to sit right seat of a jet with 300 hours are gone. 

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Steven Lehar <slehar@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Steven Lehar <slehar@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?
To: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 7:04 AM

 

Sorry, didn't mean to "hijack your thread" -- I just happen to think that an

impending catastrophic crash of the US dollar is very relevant to the

question of whether it is a good time to strike out as a freelance flight

instructor. Seems right ON topic from my perspective.

But your view may vary, I can live with that.

Steve

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:21 AM, <pgilb22436@ aol. com> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hey Steve,

>

> Although I agree with many of your statements, that is way off topic. If

> you don't have any information on the current state of the instruction

> market, that's fine. I didn't ask about the state of the U.S. Market or

> opinions of current politicians.

> At least don't hijack my thread for it.

> If you need me I'll be in the corner hunkered down with my AK-47 and my

> copy of the FAR's.

>

> Paul

>

>

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In Cali, it is illegal to won an AK-47, so I guess I need to update and
arm myself with a 2010 FAR/AIM fight guard against those elusive ramp checks.

Not mentioning my USP Compact 45, does anyone know where to buy an FAR/AIM at
Sporty's prices (<$10) but without the exorbitant hold-up type shipping cost?
 
Lisa
 
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return."  ~ Leonardo da Vinci




________________________________
From: "pgilb22436@..." <pgilb22436@...>
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 4:21:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?

 

Hey Steve,

Although I agree with many of your statements, that is way off topic. If you
don't have any information on the current state of the instruction market,
that's fine. I didn't ask about the state of the U.S. Market or opinions of
current politicians.
At least don't hijack my thread for it.
If you need me I'll be in the corner hunkered down with my AK-47 and my copy of
the FAR's.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Lehar <slehar@gmail. com>
To: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2009 6:15 am
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?

Do you guys have ANY IDEA what is going on in this country? Have you seen
the profligate spending beyond all historic precedent going on in Washington
these days? Did you hear that Obama, in one year, has already spent more
then ALL PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED? This is NOT GOOD! We are in for one
wild roller-coaster ride, with GUARANTEED massive inflation like America has
never seen before!

Buy gold and guns and hunker down! Don't expect much in the way of aviation!
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the writing is on the wall.

Steve

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:51 PM, greg freeman <pkgwap6153@att. net> wrote:

>
>
> Instructing has been very slow... I do foresee it picking up as we head
> into spring and summer 2010
>
> --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Paul <pgilb22436@aol. com <pgilb22436% 40aol.com> >
> wrote:
>
> From: Paul <pgilb22436@aol. com <pgilb22436% 40aol.com> >
> Subject: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?
> To: RealPilots@yahoogro ups.com <RealPilots% 40yahoogroups. com>
> Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 5:13 PM
>
>

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I live on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. I'm considering keeping the airplane at
Gulfport Airport.






Paul



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What part of the country are you in?

--- On Tue, 11/24/09, pgilb22436@... <pgilb22436@...> wrote:

From: pgilb22436@... <pgilb22436@...>
Subject: Re: [Real Pilots] How's the flight instruction market?
To: RealPilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 9:07 AM
















 















>>Most of the younger ones that wanted to fly for the airlines have dropped the
dream when they found out that the days of being hired to sit right seat of a
jet with 300 hours are gone.<<



And I think this is a good thing. I remember going to a regional airline in 97
with my 2400 total and just barely being competitive. It was a steep learning
curve for me. Maybe I'm a little slow but I know at 300 to 500 hours, I wasn't
ready to handle the more complex aircraft coupled with flying from some of the
country's busiest airports.

I'm not looking for a full schedule of students. One or two would be enough to
justify the purchase of the airplane since I'm mainly looking at starting a
business for tax purposes. I'mconsidering a lease back deal with one company so
they can use theairplane for any students they have. I did that once and the pay
fromthat did help cover expenses.

I figure there are still some older guys who might want to take lessons. When I
instructed full time early on, I flew for a local operation at New Orleans
Lakefront Airport. I'm sure the 141 schools see a lot of young students with
career aspirations but most of my students were just looking for the private or
instrument.

I haven't done any instruction in quite a few years. I was just too busy. It
seems like I'm still pretty busy but I honestly enjoyed instructing when I had
motivated students. Nothing is more frustrating than dealing with the
once-a-month guys who spend each lesson trying to re-learn what they did a month
ago.

One of the worst things for me as I was working on my ratings was having to hear
my instructors tell me how they couldn't wait to get out of that airplane and go
to some airline. That just didn't sit well with me as a paying customer. I have
no airline aspirations. I wouldn't mind if the fractional I worked for started
hiring again so I could be recalled but that's about it.



Paul



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>>Most of the younger ones that wanted to fly for the airlines have dropped the
dream when they found out that the days of being hired to sit right seat of a
jet with 300 hours are gone.<<


  And I think this is a good thing. I remember going to a regional airline in 97
with my 2400 total and just barely being competitive. It was a steep learning
curve for me. Maybe I'm a little slow but I know at 300 to 500 hours, I wasn't
ready to handle the more complex aircraft coupled with flying from some of the
country's busiest airports.
I'm not looking for a full schedule of students. One or two would be enough to
justify the purchase of the airplane since I'm mainly looking at starting a
business for tax purposes. I'mconsidering a lease back deal with one company so
they can use theairplane for any students they have. I did that once and the pay
fromthat did help cover expenses.
I figure there are still some older guys who might want to take lessons. When I
instructed full time early on, I flew for a local operation at New Orleans
Lakefront Airport. I'm sure the 141 schools see a lot of young students with
career aspirations but most of my students were just looking for the private or
instrument.
I haven't done any instruction in quite a few years. I was just too busy. It
seems like I'm still pretty busy but I honestly enjoyed instructing when I had
motivated students. Nothing is more frustrating than dealing with the
once-a-month guys who spend each lesson trying to re-learn what they did a month
ago.
One of the worst things for me as I was working on my ratings was having to hear
my instructors tell me how they couldn't wait to get out of that airplane and go
to some airline. That just didn't sit well with me as a paying customer. I have
no airline aspirations. I wouldn't mind if the fractional I worked for started
hiring again so I could be recalled but that's about it.

Paul




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