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7769 Jeremy Friesner
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May 1, 2008
3:57 pm
Regarding the issue of potentially hacked voting machines, it appears the military is worried about the same sort of problems with their computer systems. I...
7770 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
May 1, 2008
5:38 pm
... that's very scary! However... where is the evidence (aside from a vague reference to "blog posts") ??...
7771 Jeremy Friesner
jfriesne Offline Send Email
May 1, 2008
5:47 pm
... Evidence that such a thing has happened? I don't know of any. But of course all parties on both sides of the Syrian radar incident would want to keep ...
7772 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
May 1, 2008
7:13 pm
Former NY Times columnist William Safire ("The farewell dossier" column 4 Feb 2004?) claimed than in June 1982, the CIA set off a giant explosion in a Siberian...
7773 Bruce R. Gilson
brg1942 Offline Send Email
May 1, 2008
10:03 pm
... What on earth does this post have to do with range voting?...
7774 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abdlomax Offline Send Email
May 1, 2008
10:45 pm
There may be truth to this story, but there are also internal inconsistencies with how computers and software are designed. ... Chips. The story that is then...
7775 wa22233 Offline Send Email May 1, 2008
11:26 pm
Heya. You say, with Range Voting "it never pays to submit a dishonest vote". But Range voting is, in fact, manipulable. There is the obvious strategy of...
7776 wa22233 Offline Send Email May 1, 2008
11:55 pm
Also (!) since Range voting is manipulable, as I said, this means that it is also susceptible to Arrow's theorem. Range voting, played rationally and therefore...
7777 jackkelshallrudd@...
jackrudd Offline Send Email
May 1, 2008
11:56 pm
The definition of "honest vote" used here is one which contains no reversed preference; i.e. no ranking of B above A when the voter actually prefers A to B. A...
7778 jackrudd Offline Send Email May 2, 2008
12:08 am
... that ... any ... preference. Poppycock. If you believe your first preference is unlikely to win, even if you bullet-vote for him, your optimal strategic...
7779 wa22233 Offline Send Email May 2, 2008
12:10 am
Hey Jack. But aren't you then using a definition of honesty (or sincerity) which assumes rank-order voting? The criterion of honesty in Range voting should be...
7780 wa22233 Offline Send Email May 2, 2008
12:15 am
What about my example? It's pretty clear that either voter does best by misrepresenting their cardinal values. I suppose whether you agree that that...
7781 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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May 2, 2008
1:49 am
... "Manipulable?" What does that mean? This discussion has become highly distorted by the transfer of certain terms used, for decades, to analyze ranked...
7782 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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May 2, 2008
1:56 am
... Hello? Arrow's theorem is narrow. Perhaps you should actually read a good explanation of it! ... That's actually not true, at all. If you are a Nader voter...
7783 warren_d_smith31
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May 2, 2008
2:15 am
... --heh. Sorry. I was responding to JackRudd about computers, and the tangential relevance is, that people can hack computers, hence computerized voting...
7784 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abdlomax Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
2:15 am
... It may not be linear, that's about it. Essentially, if voters have some internal rating scale, they must somehow transform this into a vote, and, due to...
7785 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
2:31 am
... --well, your post is very long. I will just say a few things. 1. I have trouble believing Safire's story because I have trouble believing that a...
7786 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
2:35 am
... I just did a complete computer search through every one of the over 800 CRV web pages. Not one contains "it never pays to submit a dishonest vote". Sorry,...
7787 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
2:58 am
From "Londonist" http://londonist.com/2008/04/majority_of_lon.php 30 april 2008 Majority Of Londoners Confused By Mayoral Voting System Londoners are all hot...
7788 wa22233 Offline Send Email May 2, 2008
3:00 am
Well you missed it! It's on this page: http://rangevoting.org/GibbSat.html "In range voting elections with 3 candidates, it never pays to submit a dishonest...
7789 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abdlomax Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
3:08 am
... Who says? Yes, in the analysis of election method performance, an assumption is made that there are sincere internal utilities. Various methods are used to...
7790 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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May 2, 2008
3:08 am
... The critic posits sincere values, but nothing is stated about how these values interrelate. Depending on *absolute* utilities -- are these absolute...
7791 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
4:05 am
... --by "full context" you mean, the full sentence. Also, the full sentence says it is 3-candidate. You ALSO omitted that part in your original quote. If you...
7792 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abdlomax Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
7:40 am
... That's pretty much how I feel all the time! At least when contemplating voting for the highly restricted set of choices I see in many public elections! Of...
7793 wa22233 Offline Send Email May 2, 2008
12:20 pm
Oy vey! Well, if I said something about 2 candidates, then obviously it holds for 3 candidates as well: just add another irrelevant candidate above or below! ...
7794 wa22233 Offline Send Email May 2, 2008
12:22 pm
"Terminally simple." Great phrase. I dunno how you write so much about this Lomax!...
7795 wa22233 Offline Send Email May 2, 2008
12:36 pm
Actually, Range voting is susceptible to preference-reversing manipulation. 2 voters, 3 alternatives: voter 1 sincerely rates the alternatives as: A=8, B=7,...
7796 jackkelshallrudd@...
jackrudd Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
2:09 pm
Voter 1 should strategically vote A=10 and C=0, as we keep telling you. *There is never any situation in Range Voting where voting your favourite anywhere...
7797 Bruce R. Gilson
brg1942 Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
2:55 pm
... Interesting. Until I started looking into range voting, my preferred voting system was a version of cumulative voting (differing from the type of CV you...
7798 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abdlomax Offline Send Email
May 2, 2008
3:53 pm
... That's right. If you knew, you wouldn't say that. I both write a lot and I write a little. I write a lot to explore a topic in detail. There are those who...
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