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2938 warren_d_smith31
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Jan 2, 2007
1:22 am
If you only clone a candidate ONCE (and not twice or more) then Simmons is Cloneproof. ... And Benham remarks (and I agree): So Simmons meets Clone-Loser, but...
2939 warren_d_smith31
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Jan 2, 2007
2:05 am
actually, Simmons is NOT a Condorcet method at all, in the sense that it is entirely possible for a unique Condorcet winner W to exist, but Simmons does not...
2940 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 2, 2007
2:26 am
... Does this not hint at a solution? From voter behavior with clones, one could conclude, presumably, that they *are* clones and treat them specially, perhaps...
2941 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 2, 2007
2:28 am
... The holy grail seems to be a method that duplicates what full deliberative process would do in a direct democracy (functioning optimally; direct democracy...
2942 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 2, 2007
3:34 am
At 10:36 PM 12/31/2006, CLAY S wrote: [this was not a message from Clay, but apparently a message *to* Clay from Lea Barker.) ... Lea erred, I think. Clay had...
2943 CLAY S
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Jan 2, 2007
5:57 am
... But as I've pointed out many times, "majoritarianism" is arbitrary. What's so special about 50% ? Why not say 51.453% ? How about 62.4% ? ... Yes, a 50%...
2944 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 3, 2007
3:23 am
... Yes, Clay has "asserted" this many times. He says "pointed out," as if it is a thing which can be seen by anyone. *Any* standard has some level of...
2945 cbenhamau Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2007
9:09 am
... I gather that that was suggested just to help guard against fraudulent ballot tampering. Chris Benham...
2946 CLAY S
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Jan 3, 2007
9:38 am
Well now, this is interesting.: http://www.groupdecision.com/ElectoralSystems.asp?range [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
2947 raphfrk Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2007
10:58 am
... This is the same logic as supporting approval as range-2 first. It is often very hard to explain voting methods to people. I think people need to a)...
2948 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 3, 2007
5:10 pm
... This is exactly what I'm arguing. Indeed, I am arguing that we should start with basic, plain-vanilla Approval, though possibly with the No option added....
2949 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 3, 2007
5:16 pm
... Yes. It is an effective method of doing this, that leaves it up to the voter to add that protection. It is also possible to use the No votes. Where there...
2950 brokenladdercalendar
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Jan 3, 2007
7:53 pm
... I think we effectively already do this. I always explain range voting to people without going on about abstention. That's something I talk about once...
2951 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 3, 2007
9:08 pm
... Clay should notice that it was written "best intro." Not best Range method. The reason for starting with something less than what is ideal is that the...
2952 warren_d_smith31
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Jan 3, 2007
10:44 pm
http://rangevoting.org/IEVS/IEVS.c This is a 2130-line C program by Warren D. Smith. It computes Bayesian Regret values of whatver single-winner voting systems...
2953 raphfrk Offline Send Email Jan 3, 2007
11:26 pm
... VSR ? ... I think that is a fight not worth fighting, if you can convince someone to implement "average approval", then you can likely already get them to...
2954 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 4, 2007
3:35 am
... I think that this is something like "Voter Satisfaction Ratio." Clay might be correct, if we accept the results of Warren's simulations, but I don't see...
2955 warren_d_smith31
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Jan 4, 2007
5:44 am
NY Times 4 January 2007 U.S. Bars Lab From Testing Electronic Voting By CHRISTOPHER DREW A laboratory that has tested most of the nation's electronic voting ...
2956 warren_d_smith31
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Jan 4, 2007
9:41 pm
http://www.siam.org/siamnews/10-00/consensus.htm Saari is memorably quoted as calling plurality "the only voting system that can elect somebody 2/3 ofthe...
2957 CLAY S
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Jan 4, 2007
10:21 pm
U.S. Bars Lab From Testing Electronic Voting By CHRISTOPHER ...
2958 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 5, 2007
3:16 am
From the piece, it occurred to me to comment on something, Warren has also written about this elsewhere. ... Warren has stated that Arrow's theorem does not...
2959 CLAY S
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Jan 5, 2007
3:45 am
With 1258 people having participated in my online 2008 Presidential poll, using range voting, I present the current results, especially to illustrate how...
2960 CLAY S
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Jan 5, 2007
4:14 am
... From: J Kefalas <jkefalashd52@...> Date: Jan 4, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: Re: Adam Brandon: We can do better than IRV To: CLAY S...
2961 brokenladdercalendar
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Jan 5, 2007
5:16 am
http://rangevoting.org/2008.html PRETTY COLORS!!!...
2962 CLAY S
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Jan 5, 2007
6:12 am
Check out the second external link -- although I don't know how long this will stay up. ...
2963 CLAY S
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Jan 5, 2007
5:08 pm
This is funny: Colin Powell : 2.75 John Edwards : 2.75 Rudy Giuliani : 2.5 Howard Dean : 2.5 Hillary Clinton :...
2964 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 5, 2007
8:04 pm
... I'm probably going to point this out whenever it is mentioned, but Range Polls create a different kind of number than vote percentages in an election...
2965 Dave Ketchum
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Jan 5, 2007
8:49 pm
Thanks for the URL - There were recent references to the problem. While what is said below about Borda is true for many methods. BUT, WHAT is it. What I read...
2966 brokenladdercalendar
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Jan 5, 2007
8:56 pm
... poll, ... illustrate ... voting. ... No we don't. Range voting doesn't use an approval cutoff. Range voting produces better results for third party...
2967 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Jan 5, 2007
9:47 pm
... Let me point out that this, to those who study election methods, could function almost like a brick wall. It could in some ways be more frustrating than no...
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