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4 wds@...
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 4, 2005
5:00 pm
THE PURPOSE of the RangeVoting@... group is to serve as a communication and archival medium (bulletin board with archival storage and search capability)...
6 wds@...
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 4, 2005
7:48 pm
The decline and fall of the "perfect" voting scheme by CLARKE-TIDEMAN-TULLOCK ... In principle, the ultimate voting scheme would be ``honest utility voting''...
7 abdlomax Offline Send Email Aug 4, 2005
7:59 pm
... "Extra powers come if you are a MODERATOR. Initially the only moderator is the creator of this group, Warren D. Smith. However, the moderators may decide...
8 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abdlomax Offline Send Email
Aug 4, 2005
10:08 pm
... This is based on a poor interpretation of the rules. In the example cited, neither Agnew nor Nixon, alone, turned the election, so nobody pays, supposedly....
9 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 5, 2005
12:03 am
... fee. ... cited, ... the ... *together* ... each ... would ... --the rules, as you put it, *are* defective. And they are not easily fixed by making "jointly...
10 Jan Kok
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Aug 5, 2005
8:41 am
One criticism of Range Voting is along these lines: "Nearly everyone will vote strategically (giving each candidate either the minimum or maximum allowed...
11 Warren D. Smith
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Aug 5, 2005
12:06 pm
Lance Haverkamp raised the possibility that approval voting and range voting winners are "almost always the same" and therefore, it would be pointless to ask...
12 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 5, 2005
12:33 pm
The findings in my real-world poll (with Quintal & Greene) in which voters were instructed to vote "as they would if this were the real election" were (with...
13 wds@...
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 5, 2005
3:52 pm
How often do plurality winners and range-voting winners differ? Let C = #candidates V = #voters F = strategic voter percentage (same among both range and...
14 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
abdlomax Offline Send Email
Aug 5, 2005
4:14 pm
... The core concept is that voters bid for the right to name the government. I do find it unlikely that there is no way to implement this. The CTT rules may...
15 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 5, 2005
4:43 pm
... --it can be implemented, but not in a way which avoids incentive to any bidder to lie. examples: If in the original Vickrey 2nd price auction secret-bid...
16 wds@...
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 5, 2005
5:02 pm
How much does the "granularity" of the real numbers in range voting matter? Approval voting = range voting with granularity=2. "{-1, 0, +1}-voting" = range...
17 Warren D. Smith
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Aug 5, 2005
11:36 pm
... --actually, you might want to consider the only known real world attack on Approval Voting, if you want to get into "attacks." Specifically, the IEEE, the ...
18 Abd ulRahman Lomax
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Aug 6, 2005
2:53 am
This post will probably be rejected by the Approval list because I have been banned, but, of course, anyone who responds to my post using Reply to All will...
19 Warren D. Smith
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Aug 6, 2005
3:40 pm
... PR is the goal, in a multiwinner election, of electing a "representive" slate of legislators. For example if there are 19% blacks and they all vote for...
20 Warren D. Smith
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Aug 6, 2005
4:30 pm
Jan Kok: those who claim that RV is more difficult to explain than AV, I ask you, are you saying that from your own experience? I have explained Approval...
21 warren_d_smith31
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Aug 6, 2005
5:07 pm
Dan Cooper brought this fascinating paper to my attention: http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/polit/damy/articles/kolesar.htm Robert J. Kolesar:Communism, Race, and...
22 Abd ulRahman Lomax
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Aug 6, 2005
7:01 pm
... I agree that this is true for official public elections in the U.S., in the short-term. I also think that AV is the most realizable form of range voting,...
23 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 7, 2005
1:53 am
... The "range voting" system does not have the advertised property of encouraging honesty. Consider an election with three voters, Andy, Betty, and Chris; and...
24 Abd ulRahman Lomax
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Aug 7, 2005
3:06 am
... I disagree. The explanation given is true, but is unlikely, I think, to convince. My expectation is that the average voter would consider the speaker...
25 Warren D. Smith
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Aug 7, 2005
1:59 pm
... --sorry, I think that idea is crazy. It would lead to wild random oscillations. However, such voting systems ARE known. Here is one: simply select a...
26 Dan
danc19fr Offline Send Email
Aug 7, 2005
7:20 pm
OK, Warren, I came on this list so you don't have to send me private e- mails. That doesn't mean I won't give you a hard time - in the pursuit of Truth and...
27 Dan
danc19fr Offline Send Email
Aug 7, 2005
7:37 pm
... This got me to thinking. It would achieve the goal of truly proportional representation, averaged over a large number of elections. Is that what we...
28 Reform08@... Send Email Aug 7, 2005
7:38 pm
A major criticism of Range Voting is that the supporters of candidate A who isn't favored or even approved by a majority of voters could defeat a more popular...
29 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 7, 2005
7:42 pm
... --yes. ... --it sort of already does: the simulation emplyed a mixture of strategic and honest voters. The strategic ones vote all 99s and 0s. ... --well,...
30 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 7, 2005
7:46 pm
... --yes, it is probably a good idea to recommend in the instructions explicitly that a voter rate his top candidate 99 and his bottom candidate 0. ... --yes...
31 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 8, 2005
12:42 am
... --Agreed. Plurality voting CAN have a centrist effect (both parties try to grab the central ground) but can also have an effect of suddenly electing a...
32 Dan
danc19fr Offline Send Email
Aug 8, 2005
6:35 am
<< --it sort of already does: the simulation emplyed a mixture of strategic and honest voters. The strategic ones vote all 99s and 0s. ... You miss my point....
33 Dan
danc19fr Offline Send Email
Aug 8, 2005
8:43 am
Suppose I get on the ballot, but I don't campaign and nobody has heard of me so they leave me unspecified. Suppose my friends and family give me a 99. Does...
34 warren_d_smith31
warren_d_smi... Offline Send Email
Aug 8, 2005
2:28 pm
... yes it does. However, this is not a problem in practice, our polling studies in the real world conclusively show. That is because in practice, a lot of...
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