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#214 From: westmiller@...
Date: Mon Jan 3, 2005 10:25 am
Subject: FYI: National RLC Board Actions
rlc_westmiller
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    The RLC National Board of Directors completed an email ballot on
several issues last week. Congratulations to Philip Blumel of Florida,
a long-time activist who was elected as a National Alternate Director.
    Hoping to take an early role in 2008 politics, the Board has given
it's endorsement to Mark Sanford for South Carolina Governor in 2006
and has urged Chartered RLC Boards to endorse Sanford for the GOP
Presidential nomination for 2008. An official RLC endorsement for the
Presidency requires unanimous agreement of all Chartered states and
the National Board, but there is no deadline for reaching a consensus.
    In the meantime, the Board approved the acquisition and initial
development of a 'Draft Sanford' website, which is already under
construction. Also approved was an upgrade of the RLC website,
which will be moved to an independent ISP service.
    National will pick up some of the expenses of Tim Condon, the
Assistant Chapter Director, who has been making excellent progress
in developing the New Hampshire RLC.
 
Bill Westmiller
RLC Chairman

#215 From: "greenspj" <greenspj@...>
Date: Mon Jan 3, 2005 10:32 pm
Subject: PLEASE (Was: Re: World's Biggest Political Monopoly)
greenspj
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CAN WE PLEASE LIMIT THE GENERAL DISCUSSION ON THIS GROUP?

There are enough RLC discussion groups.

Thanks!


--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Bruno Behrend" <davincicg@s...>
wrote:
> Chuck wrote:
>   Oops, it appears that the World's Smallest Political Quiz is
copyrighted
> by the Advocates.  So this particular version of the chart
shouldn't be used
> on RLC literature unless a release has been obtained.
>
>   Bruno writes:
>
>   Yet another example of the idiocy of our overly "protective"
copyright &
> patent laws.  The idea that some organization can "copyright" a few
> questions so that we all need their "permission" to ask a few
questions is
> absurd.
>
>   Limit all copyright and patent to 3-5 years, after which it all
goes into
> the public domain.  This is neither bad policy, nor
unconstitutional.  These
> concepts are nothing more than government conferred monopolies, and
the huge
> time frames allowed do not make sense in a digital and networked
world.

#216 From: "Chuck Seberg" <pusherprop3@...>
Date: Tue Jan 4, 2005 1:59 am
Subject: Re: PLEASE (Was: Re: World's Biggest Political Monopoly)
pusherprop
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I started with the digests but they were starting to bury me.  So now I take individual emails and I set up filters and manage the flow a lot better.  Several people on this list go automatically into my trash folder.  And others of you go into my "must read" folder.  I'm working to refine my system with each email, but it already saves me a lot of time and aggravation.
 
Chuck Seberg
    
----- Original Message -----
From: greenspj
 
CAN WE PLEASE LIMIT THE GENERAL DISCUSSION ON THIS GROUP?

There are enough RLC discussion groups.

Thanks!



#217 From: "Jeff Palmer" <jap@...>
Date: Tue Jan 4, 2005 6:06 pm
Subject: We're famous!
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Check out http://www.TheAdvocates.org.  The North Carolina & Florida RLC's efforts at the 2004 Southern Republican Leadership Conference are featured on the front page.  [Take notice New Hampshire...  It's not size that matters; it's what you do with it that counts!  ;>  ]
 
The Advocates for Self-Government informs us that their webpage's front page story and photo will be rotated weekly to highlight other examples of their World's Smallest Political Quiz in use.  With *thousands* of visitors to the website each day, this is a *great* way for the RLC to get publicity, so I'd encourage everyone in the RLC to submit photos and write-ups of their WSPQ-based outreach events to the Advocates for inclusion in future weeks.  [Kudos to Phil Blumel for submitting the photo from the SRLC event!]
 
I hope this will put to rest the recent debate about the efficacy of using the Advocates' version of the WSPQ.
 
Incidentally, the photo at the website shows our RLC-customized WSPQ chart.  [Pretty sharp, if I do say so myself!  :)  ]  I'd be happy to provide the graphics file (currently in PageMaker) of the chart for use by other states.  The file can be easily blown up to 2' x 3' poster size on laminated backer board by Kinko's.

Jeff Palmer - jap@... - www.rlc.org
Coordinator, Republican Liberty Caucus of North Carolina

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Harris [mailto:sharon@...]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:20 PM
To: Jeff Palmer
Subject: You're famous!
Importance: High
Hi Jeff!

Just thought you'd like to know that you're on the Front Page of the Advocates Web site -- enjoy!
http://www.TheAdvocates.org

Please let Frank and other RLC-ers know about it.

Thanks for working for liberty, Jeff!

Happy New Year!

Sharon
Advocates for Self-Government

www.TheAdvocates.org
www.Libertarianism.com

#218 From: David Briggman <briggman@...>
Date: Tue Jan 4, 2005 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: We're famous!
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Congrats, Jeff! Very cool.

If you can pop me a copy of your PM file, I'd be glad to have it here
in Virginia.


On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 13:06:10 -0500, Jeff Palmer <jap@...> wrote:
> Check out http://www.TheAdvocates.org.  The North Carolina & Florida RLC's
> efforts at the 2004 Southern Republican Leadership Conference are featured
> on the front page.  [Take notice New Hampshire...  It's not size that
> matters; it's what you do with it that counts!  ;>  ]

#219 From: DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>
Date: Tue Jan 4, 2005 8:05 pm
Subject: Re: We're famous!
huaruisheng
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I don't have PageMaker, but I'm sure I can take a download on a floppy
over to Kinko's, where I can use one of their computers to make any
state specific adjustments and then get it printed. Please send me the
file and accept my hearty thanks.

I'm happy to hear folks talking about PR in terms of being proactive. No
one is going to come to you to ask for your input or photos -- you have
to send out press kits if you want to be in the news. Most press kits
will get tossed in the garbage, but some will get ink.

I was the editor of a glossy, monthly leisure magazine. It had a section
for local events, and I really appreciated the folks who actively sent
me photos of recent events. There is no way I could have solicited
information from the thousands of potential sources, so when I got good
photos with a full description of the people and event, I'd print them
if I had the room for them. If the photos were out of focus, too dark or
overexposed, or if the photos' were not clearly identified, I'd toss them.

Take good photos of people -- backs of heads don't make the grade. Don't
use the automatic date stamp -- it screws up the picture and creates an
"expiration date." Clearly identify all the persons in the photograph --
including names SPELLED CORRECTLY (Don't rely on your ears, but ask for
the correct spelling, or risk: Smith, Smyth, Brown, Braun, etc.), title,
organization, etc. Don't worry about providing too much information --
the publication's editor will cut what he doesn't need, but he can't
invent data to fill in a blank spot. Clearly explain the event,
including venue, date, name of the event. Don't try to include a banner
hanging behind the people at the expense of being able to identify the
people. Understand that the editor will crop a photo to show the people
-- not the banner -- so make sure you are getting the people, with their
eyes open, without a fork in their mouths, and without annoying
background objects that seem to be sticking out of their heads.
Understand that the editor may have several press kits to choose from.
He will select the best of those at hand to fill the available space,
even if it means tossing out five of the six and blowing up the one
photo. He is not going to thumbnail all six to get them in. Make your
press kit better than the rest ... it's tough enough to get ink as it is.

These are just a few off-the-cuff tips. Maybe someone can recommend a
suitable source for further information. A "How to Create Effective
Press Kits" book would be good.

Doug Harrison

#220 From: "Guy McLendon" <guy@...>
Date: Sun Jan 9, 2005 6:31 pm
Subject: Chuck Muth & Washington State
gmclendon
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Would there be any interest by the Washington State RLC to ask Vance for his
resignation?

http://www.americandaily.com/article/6132

#221 From: "Alan R. Weiss" <alanrweiss78726@...>
Date: Sun Jan 9, 2005 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: Chuck Muth & Washington State
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--- Guy McLendon <guy@...> wrote:

> Would there be any interest by the Washington State
> RLC to ask Vance for his
> resignation?
>
> http://www.americandaily.com/article/6132


I've forwarded this to Ernie Hancock down in Phoenix.
His "L Factor" has been working to do the exact same
thing in Arizona as the Libertarians have done in
Washington state.

The heart and soul of the true Republican Party is the
combined forces of the RLC and the Libertarian Party.
It is going to take many more election losses by these
neoconservative statists before the Republican Party
wakes up from its control-freak, empire-building,
big-government nanny-state fantasies.  Right now the
Republican Party thinks it can do no wrong, and is on
top of the world.  This is exactly when they are going
to start losing it.

WWBD?  What Would Barry Do?  He'd be in the RLC or the
LP, move easily between the two (as Ron Paul does),
and  would never kow-tow to these
socialists-theocrats.

Alan R. Weiss
Austin



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#222 From: "Douglas Lorenz" <Doug@...>
Date: Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:04 am
Subject: RE: Chuck Muth & Washington State
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Absolutely…  While I have my disagreements with Muth, I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with him over policy.

 

The RLC needs to be known as a group that is willing to kick the GOP whenever necessary.  That sort of thing will get us long-term media recognition, and reminds the party that there are some of us out here in the GOP who are not trying to “out-democrat” the dems. 

 

This should be put forth as soon as possible, while the Washington State GOP is still trying to spin this off as just an issue of electoral fraud.  Otherwise they’ll keep believing their own message that they should have won, but the dems cheated.

 

    Doug

 


From: Guy McLendon [mailto:guy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 10:32 AM
To: RLC-Action (E-mail); RLC-National (E-mail)
Subject: [RLC-Action] Chuck Muth & Washington State

 



#223 From: "marcshefelton2005" <marcshefelton2005@...>
Date: Mon Jan 24, 2005 12:47 pm
Subject: The USA Sim
marcshefelto...
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A Yahoo political simulation group, USA Sim, is up and running and
we need Republican Senators.

This is a fun way of putting out your political opinion. We will
fill a 100 seat Senate and those who join after the 100 seats are
filled will be put in the House. So if you like politics and current
events you will find this political simulation a fun way to express
your political opinion with the support of others who share your
opinion. You can be as involved as much as you want or have time for.
The most we ask is that you take a second and vote -- a couple of
minutes to go to our sight and vote.

So join us at USA Sim by going to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAImmigrationOffice/

Thank you
Marc Shefelton
Republican Senator in USMA from Ohio

#224 From: "John Mitchel, LtCol, USAF \(Ret" <mitch07ohio@...>
Date: Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:10 am
Subject: Re: The USA Sim
mitch07ohio@...
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Since I ran against George Voinovich in the 2004 primary, and received
192,000 votes (>23 %), I would be interested in being an Ohio Senator,
if there is a slot available
 
John Mitchel

marcshefelton2005 <marcshefelton2005@...> wrote:


A Yahoo political simulation group, USA Sim, is up and running and
we need Republican Senators.

This is a fun way of putting out your political opinion. We will
fill a 100 seat Senate and those who join after the 100 seats are
filled will be put in the House. So if you like politics and current
events you will find this political simulation a fun way to express
your political opinion with the support of others who share your
opinion. You can be as involved as much as you want or have time for.
The most we ask is that you take a second and vote -- a couple of
minutes to go to our sight and vote.

So join us at USA Sim by going to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAImmigrationOffice/

Thank you
Marc Shefelton
Republican Senator in USMA from Ohio





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#225 From: bill Jambura <jambura@...>
Date: Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:37 am
Subject: Re: The USA Sim
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1. I ran against Bill Sinclair (R) in 2002 for in Colorado State HD 16.
2. Sinclair was an incumbent and the House Majority Whip when I took him
on for his fiscal policies.
3.  I got over 30% of the vote in the primary.
4.  Please put me in a Colorado slot.
Bill Jambura

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>
> A Yahoo political simulation group, USA Sim, is up and running and
> we need Republican Senators.
>
> This is a fun way of putting out your political opinion. We will
> fill a 100 seat Senate and those who join after the 100 seats are
> filled will be put in the House. So if you like politics and current
>
> events you will find this political simulation a fun way to express
>
> your political opinion with the support of others who share your
> opinion. You can be as involved as much as you want or have time
> for.
> The most we ask is that you take a second and vote -- a couple of
> minutes to go to our sight and vote.
>
> So join us at USA Sim by going to
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/USAImmigrationOffice/
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#226 From: "John Reed" <chapters@...>
Date: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:24 am
Subject: I am resigning as Vice Chairman of the RLC
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Hello RLC friends,

I hope everyone of you, reading this note, is doing well, and I hope
that there is RLC networking going on in your state.

On Monday I will step down as RLC Vice Chairman and move back to
concentrating on the RLC at the state level in Texas.

It's been a fun experience with National.  I enjoyed working with
every single person on the RLC National Committee and others, and I
will continue our fine friendship for as long as possible.  There
isn't any hidden agenda for my resignation.  It's just a personal
decision on my part to spend more time on local matters.

I sincerely hope that someone reading this will step forward to take
over in my place.

If you'd like to help state RLC organizations get off the ground and
you'd also like to help with the coming RLC convention that will be
taking place this year, then you are the person for the position,
because this is exactly what I did as Vice Chairman.

Please contact me and Bill Westmiller if you'd like to act as Vice
Chairman of the National RLC.

Sincerely,

John Reed

#227 From: "Guy McLendon" <guy@...>
Date: Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:48 am
Subject: Guy McLendon's Presentation to the League of Women Voters
gmclendon
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Hello Friends & Family,
 
This coming Friday, Feb 11, 2005, I'll be presenting to the League of Women Voters a 30 minute crash course on the US Constitution and methods of constitutional interpretation.
 
Location: 
Restaurant:  Uptown Catering
1639 Ryan Street
Lake Charles, LA
 
Date:  Feb 11, 2005
Time:  12 Noon - 1PM
 
You are all cordially invited to attend.  For your reference, here is an online copy <less bibliography & some illustrations>  of the final text that I'll present:
 
 
Cover Page w/ Quote from George Washington is attached as image.  Additional presentation handout materials include a 14 page reference on Constitutioal interpretation that is ...
 
 
and a copy of the US Constitution
 
 
I hope you can attend.
 
Respectfully,
Guy McLendon

#228 From: westmiller@...
Date: Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:13 am
Subject: RLC Project: CPAC Presence
rlc_westmiller
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    If any RLC members are planning or able to attend the
CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference) Feb 17-19
in DC, it's an excellent opportunity to promote the Caucus.
    Although it's too late to arrange a booth, it seems that
there are a fair number of libertarian organizations that have
done so and may be willing to offer RLC brochures.
    I can provide brochure files and membership apps for
printing, as well as e-mail addresses for all our DC members
and prospects ... if someone is willing to take the time to
do printing, make contacts and coordinate.
 
Bill

#229 From: "Bruno Behrend" <davincicg@...>
Date: Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:33 am
Subject: CPAC Presence
rwkook
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For anyone interested in meeting the War Party neocon ogre...
 
I'll be there hobnobbing at the FreedomWorks booth. (schedule TBA) when I'm not haranguing the IL delegation to support PRAs
 
Bruno
-----Original Message-----
From: westmiller@... [mailto:westmiller@...]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 12:14 AM
To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RLC-Action] RLC Project: CPAC Presence

    If any RLC members are planning or able to attend the
CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference) Feb 17-19
in DC, it's an excellent opportunity to promote the Caucus.
    Although it's too late to arrange a booth, it seems that
there are a fair number of libertarian organizations that have
done so and may be willing to offer RLC brochures.
    I can provide brochure files and membership apps for
printing, as well as e-mail addresses for all our DC members
and prospects ... if someone is willing to take the time to
do printing, make contacts and coordinate.
 
Bill

#230 From: "Jeff Palmer" <jap@...>
Date: Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:18 pm
Subject: FW: RLC WSPQ Update
jap_ncrlc
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The Advocates for Self-Government is compiling the list of winners of it's 2OO4 "Lights of Liberty Award", awarded annually to individuals who have performed any of the following in the calendar year...
 
1.  Staffed World's Smallest Political Quiz tables on three separate days,
2.  Written three letters to the editor mentioning the word "libertarian", or
3.  Given three speeches to non-libertarian groups mentioning libertarian ideas.
 
[Official criteria are given at their website.]
 
I know of no other RLCers who have qualified for the award, but I'm sure you are out there[!]  I hope you will all go to the Advocates' website and nominate all RLCers you know of who may qualify...  This is a good opportunity for the RLC to get publicity for its work as well as to provide a well-deserved attaboy to our volunteers.

Jeff Palmer - jap@...
* * *
Quote of the Week:  "A state too extensive in itself, or by virtue of its dependencies, ultimately falls into decay; its free government is transformed into a tyranny; it disregards the principles which it should preserve, and finally degenerates into despotism." -- Simon Bolivar, 1815

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Harris [mailto:sharon@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:20 AM
To: Jeff Palmer
Subject: Re: RLC WSPQ Update
Importance: High

Hi Jeff!

Could you please give us the names and addresses of the ten members who participated in OPH so we can make sure they get their Lights of Liberty awards? (We already have your name on the list.)

THANKS!

Sharon
Advocates for Self-Government
www.TheAdvocates.org
www.Libertarianism.com
800-932-1776

#231 From: "Guy McLendon" <guy@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 2:51 am
Subject: Re: ARP Press Release: Coalition Call
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Anthony,
 
I've just now glanced at the ARP Platform ... I'm ok with many planks ... immigration is not un-reasonable ... fiscal responsiblity is very good.  However, the National Health Care plan sounds like a chapter from Hillary Clinton's book.  Most libertarians, or alternatively ... folks who generally want to have a lawful government, generally agree that the Constitution must be enforceable.  It appears from the ARP's Platform that your leaders are not clear on the concept of having constitutionally enforceable limits on the power of government officials.
 
Please glance over this speech that I'm about to deliver at a LWV meeting:  http://www.mclendon.net/active/LWV.htm
 
... and, discuss with me what ARP's position is on Constitutional compliance based on some type of fixed view that adheres to entrenchment.
 
My concern at this point is that it'll be impossible for ARP and RLC to co-sponsor candidates due to our having excessively large philosophical gaps ...  If possible, I'd like to see those gaps closed, so that we can cooperate organizationally.
 
Respectfully yours,
Guy McLendon
RLC Nat'l Coalition Liaison
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 8:12 AM
Subject: ARP Press Release: Coalition Call

Please feel free to foreward this Press Release on to anyone you feel may be interested.  It will take everyone working on this effort together to make this a possibility.  I have also attached the Word document should you wish to utilize it that way.

Anthony

ARP Coalition Call: Press Release

We the members of the American Reform Party (ARP) believe that now, more than ever, there is a need for a popular uprising in America. Under the "two-party" system, America has become a polarized nation, leaving those of us in the middle wondering whose side we should be on. The focus of the major parties on issues that divide us has prevented us from focusing on the issues of real reform that our country desperately needs. We believe that it is time for a Centrist Revolution, and are calling on all other interested parties to come to the negotiation table and collaborate on those issues that we hold to be most important to us all. We are not interested in bogging ourselves down with issues that are inherently divisive. We are willing to work together, compromise, and negotiate with other activist organizations in an effort to liberate the United States of America from the duopoly that has produced an extremely elite, powerful group of individuals who control our Nation with fascist-like methodology.

This is a call for action from the People of America. For too long we have been complacent because that’s "just the way it is". We believe that it is our duty as citizens to provide the fourth and final "check and balance" on our government. The centralization of wealth and power in America is threatening our individual rights. Our public airwaves have been corporatized so that a handful of media moguls control the information that we base our votes on. Our healthcare system has turned into the most profitable industry in America, yet we have worse healthcare than ever. Everywhere we look, it is apparent that "We the People" are no longer the most important factor in America. It is time for us to unite, and take this nation back. We hope to diversify politics and broaden the political voice so that there are more than just the narrow "two parties". There are a myriad of viewpoints and opinions that all deserve to be heard, and shared, yet the "two-party system" chokes out that diversity. Now is the time for Americans to stand up to the corruption that is eating away at the very foundations of our America.

Together, we can build a Coalition that will work to elect independent and third party candidates in the 2006 elections, and field a Presidential candidate in 2008 that will truly represent "We the People". We are not a nation of extreme leftists, or rightists. We are not a nation of people who smear each other with political propaganda. We are a nation of good, honest, hard working people who want to live rich, full lives and spread our joy and happiness by example, not by force. Americans, unite about what we agree on. Stop letting the divisive cloud of judgement and opinion stand in the way of common sense reform and policy.

To become involved, and work together, please contact the ARP Coalition Committee Chair, Anthony Partin at: anton.cwith@...



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#232 From: F Worley <worley_f2003@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 2:45 pm
Subject: California Medical Insurance Plan
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Folks,
 
I'm deeply concerned about a plan that is being talked about in California and wanted to know if RLC would take any action. 
 
The plan is to "Require" by law that all citizens of California carry health insurance, along the same lines as required vehicle insurance. 
 
While the socialist implications of the plan, (and right now it is only a plan that Gov. Arnold has talked about and some in the legislature are considering proposing) bother me, my great concern is how exactly is it going to be enforced.
 
No doubt that at first enforcement will be minimal in order to get it passed, but what happens when lower middle class folks, who won't get it for free, suddenly become unemployed and can't pay for it?  Do they lose their kids for being "bad parents?"
 
Is RLC planning any action on this?  We should attack (politically speaking of coarse) early and often.
 
Frank


#233 From: "Jon Boguth" <boguth@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 6:37 pm
Subject: Introduction
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Greetings from Michigan,

Allow me to introduce myself.  I'm a 21 year old student at the
University of Michigan where I study economics and history, and was
recently State Rep. Leon Drolet's Campaign Manager.  I'm involved in
my campus YAF group, College Republicans, and College Libertarians.

Like most young people, I'm not sure what to do when I get out of
school next year, but I do know that for the time being, I want to
spread the word that you can be a "radical-libertarian extremist" and
still be a part of the Republican Party.  You've got to love the Ron
Paul model.

I'm happy to be on board.

Jon

#234 From: DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: California Medical Insurance Plan
huaruisheng
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Enforcement, indeed. We in Minnesota already have a "health care service
tax" added to our medical bills. That is, each time we visit our
doctors, there is a surcharge added to the cost of services in order to
pay for uninsured or nonpaying users of health care services. It is only
a matter of time before some liberal thief requires that all health
insurance policies include a surcharge to provide insurance for all
those who do not obtain their own insurance. We here in Minnesota are
already penalizing owners of vehicle insurance policies by charging them
additional fees for "uninsured motorists" and "under insured motorists."
An additional and separate fee is charged for each class of miscreant
driver -- I say "miscreant" because it is unlawful to operate an
uninsured vehicle in Minnesota. So, if you get in an accident with
someone who has no insurance (usually an uninsurable drunken driver),
your insurance carrier will be compensated for its unrecoverable losses.
You pay for yourself and you pay for the drunk! The same thing will
happen with medical coverage. No matter how illegal it is to lack proper
insurance coverage, there will be people who do not have coverage, and
the state will require surcharges on everyone else's policies to cover
the uncovered. You go to the doctor and you pay for yourself and you pay
for the the other guy, too. What a bunch of bullshit!

So, penalties will not accrue to the uninsured -- they will be added
onto those who acquire their own medical insurance. Redistribution of
wealth is alive and well in Kalifornia as well as Moneysota.

Doug Harrison

#235 From: F Worley <worley_f2003@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 8:27 pm
Subject: Re: California Medical Insurance Plan
worley_f2003
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Doug,
 
agreed, So I think we need to formulate a plan of action to directly counter this offensive before it grows legs.
 
I oppose both the mandatory insurance requirement, and the potential overtaxation, creation of a new government beast and the potential for obscene enforcement.
 
RLC should quickly develop a position on this and a plan to counter act it.  But we must be agressive and be the "go to" guys when media are looking for someone to speak inteligently on the opposition.
 
Car insurance may be a perfect example of how mandatory medical insurance won't work.  Mandatory insurance has not brought down my insurance bill at all.  Mandatory Seatbelt laws were also put in place to "save" us money on insurance.  Didn't happen. 
 
Mandatory insurance could easily be used as the catalyst to regulate everyone eating, smoking and exersize habits.  And no, I am not exagerating.
 
So fellow RLC'rs.  Are you ready to take on this issue?
 
Frank

DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...> wrote:
Enforcement, indeed. We in Minnesota already have a "health care service
tax" added to our medical bills. That is, each time we visit our
doctors, there is a surcharge added to the cost of services in order to
pay for uninsured or nonpaying users of health care services. It is only
a matter of time before some liberal thief requires that all health
insurance policies include a surcharge to provide insurance for all
those who do not obtain their own insurance. We here in Minnesota are
already penalizing owners of vehicle insurance policies by charging them
additional fees for "uninsured motorists" and "under insured motorists."
An additional and separate fee is charged for each class of miscreant
driver -- I say "miscreant" because it is unlawful to operate an
uninsured vehicle in Minnesota. So, if you get in an accident with
someone who has no insurance (usually an uninsurable drunken driver),
your insurance carrier will be compensated for its unrecoverable losses.
You pay for yourself and you pay for the drunk! The same thing will
happen with medical coverage. No matter how illegal it is to lack proper
insurance coverage, there will be people who do not have coverage, and
the state will require surcharges on everyone else's policies to cover
the uncovered. You go to the doctor and you pay for yourself and you pay
for the the other guy, too. What a bunch of bullshit!

So, penalties will not accrue to the uninsured -- they will be added
onto those who acquire their own medical insurance. Redistribution of
wealth is alive and well in Kalifornia as well as Moneysota.

Doug Harrison


#236 From: John David Galt <jdg@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: California Medical Insurance Plan
john_david_galt
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F Worley wrote:
> The plan is to "Require" by law that all citizens of California carry
> health insurance, along the same lines as required vehicle insurance.

I haven't heard about this but would like to know details.  What is the
penalty for non-complying?  And how will the state handle people who
have been unable to get health insurance?  Will the state insure them,
or just parcel them out to companies through some kind of "assigned
risk" plan like the existing one for auto insurance?

#237 From: F Worley <worley_f2003@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: California Medical Insurance Plan
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John,
 
Right now it is only being floated so details are not forthcoming.    I could not find the original article I had read, I think it was on Drudge, but I went back and couldn't find it.  In the original article it said that Gov. Arnold had publicly supported the idea, but this article which is from January, says that Arnold opposed the idea.
 
This article also does not paint it the way the other article did as being Mandatory for all citizens, instead it looks like it was written by someone who likes the idea.  If I find the article I origenally saw, I'll post the link as well.
 
Frank

John David Galt <jdg@...> wrote:
F Worley wrote:
> The plan is to "Require" by law that all citizens of California carry
> health insurance, along the same lines as required vehicle insurance.

I

#238 From: F Worley <worley_f2003@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: California Medical Insurance Plan
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Here is another article that explains the plan I'm concerned about.

 

http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/12013883p-12884334c.html

 

Frank

www.frankworley.com

 

 


#239 From: Tim Condon <tim@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: Introduction
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Greetings from Michigan,

Allow me to introduce myself.  I'm a 21 year old student at the
University of Michigan where I study economics and history, and was
recently State Rep. Leon Drolet's Campaign Manager.  I'm involved in
my campus YAF group, College Republicans, and College Libertarians.

Like most young people, I'm not sure what to do when I get out of
school next year, but I do know that for the time being, I want to
spread the word that you can be a "radical-libertarian extremist" and
still be a part of the Republican Party.  You've got to love the Ron
Paul model.

I'm happy to be on board.

Jon

        Jon, you need to consider moving to New Hampshire---the Free State---to begin a career and a life of individual freedom.

Tim Condon, Participant Services Director, Free State Project
  Tampa, Florida - 813-251-2626 - email: tim@...
  A chance to live what you believe: www.freestateproject.org


#240 From: "Douglas Lorenz" <Doug@...>
Date: Sun Feb 6, 2005 11:31 pm
Subject: RE: California Medical Insurance Plan
douglorenz
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I commented on this piece of legislation on my website back on January 20th

 

http://www.douglorenz.com/index.php/Perspectives/sen_don_perata_what_me_worry/

 

California voters killed the previous attempt to do this very thing with a referendum.  I can’t imagine that Schwarzenegger would sign something like this…

 

   Doug

 


From: John David Galt [mailto:jdg@...]
Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 12:52 PM
To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] California Medical Insurance Plan

 

F Worley wrote:
> The plan is to "Require" by law that all citizens of California carry
> health insurance, along the same lines as required vehicle insurance.

I haven't heard about this but would like to know details.  What is the
penalty for non-complying?  And how will the state handle people who
have been unable to get health insurance?  Will the state insure them,
or just parcel them out to companies through some kind of "assigned
risk" plan like the existing one for auto insurance?



#241 From: "Joe Haynes" <conpharm@...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 3:02 am
Subject: Another Intro
lifelibertyp...
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I was a previous member a while back and have come back to get a
little more involved.

I am currently an LP member and registered Libertarian here in
Florida.  I want to run in 2008 for state senate but am torn between
running as an LP candidate or switching back to the GOP.

Over the last two election cycles, the LP candidates here in Florida
have been garnering increasing numbers of votes, but still get ignored
in the media as being non-viable or candidates with positions that are
not "mainstream".

I feel that if I remain as an LP candidate that I will be ignored like
most minor party candidates and not get asked to debates or other
public appearances where the incumbent GOP senator will be.

Am seeking honest advice and input before I file my paperwork.  I am
prepared to change registration back to GOP in order to run, but want
some seasoned advice on the practicality of doing so.

What does the RLC offer to candidates as far as assisting with
campaigns, helping with fundrasing, advertising, etc?  Any resources
that you can point me to would be great.

I will cross post this to the RLCFL group as well.

Yours in Liberty,
Joe Haynes
Seminole, FL

#242 From: "blood_pasta" <blood_pasta@...>
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 3:42 am
Subject: Re: Another Intro
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Joe,

This depends on what you are looking for.

Is your goal to make the LP more acceptable? If so, run as a
Libertarian and demand attention during your race, even if it means
you stand a big chance of losing.

Is your goal to get elected and enact libertarian policies? If so,
switch to the GOP and drag them back to their pro-freedom roots from
the inside.

Personally, I favor the latter -- the goal should be to enact good
legislation. Whether this is accomplished by people with a little (L)
or a little (R) next to their name is irrelevant.

Sean

--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Haynes" <conpharm@t...> wrote:
>
> I was a previous member a while back and have come back to get a
> little more involved.
>
> I am currently an LP member and registered Libertarian here in
> Florida.  I want to run in 2008 for state senate but am torn between
> running as an LP candidate or switching back to the GOP.
>
> Over the last two election cycles, the LP candidates here in Florida
> have been garnering increasing numbers of votes, but still get
ignored
> in the media as being non-viable or candidates with positions that
are
> not "mainstream".
>
> I feel that if I remain as an LP candidate that I will be ignored
like
> most minor party candidates and not get asked to debates or other
> public appearances where the incumbent GOP senator will be.
>
> Am seeking honest advice and input before I file my paperwork.  I am
> prepared to change registration back to GOP in order to run, but
want
> some seasoned advice on the practicality of doing so.
>
> What does the RLC offer to candidates as far as assisting with
> campaigns, helping with fundrasing, advertising, etc?  Any resources
> that you can point me to would be great.
>
> I will cross post this to the RLCFL group as well.
>
> Yours in Liberty,
> Joe Haynes
> Seminole, FL

#243 From: westmiller@...
Date: Mon Feb 7, 2005 1:53 am
Subject: On-line Poll for GA Liberty Caucus Member ...
rlc_westmiller
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Casey Cagle is a member of the RLC-GA legislative Liberty
Caucus who plans to run for Lt. Governor. There's an on-line
poll (vs. Ralph Reed, no less) where you can indicate support:
 
 
[Right hand column 'Reader Poll', below ads]
 
Bill

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