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#1998 From: "Steven Burden" <sjburden@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:59 am
Subject: Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
sjburden
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Marianne:

Not that I have seen. Basically, I think Mensans are more susceptible
to the 'liberal disease'--thinking they know better what is good for
people than the people themselves decide--than most others.

To me personally, choosing liberty is more of a moral choice than an
intellectual one. But among the mensans I have dealt with, they are
either too 'good' for politics, or think that we should use our
talents to help the people...ie, a benevolent dictatorship of the
intelligent.

The problems with that concept, of course, is it destroys liberty and
learning. Intelligence is based as much on mistakes as it is on
successes. If one does all the thinking, no one else learns how to
think. Or gets better.

Here in Tampa Bay, we are debating if we should even allow free
discussion of politics on the Mensa boards. Very insular.

Liberty is an everyone issue. All adults have what it takes to choose
to be responsible for their own actions...I have learned a whole lot
more about basic liberty from regular people than I have from any
Mensan!

Ron Paul '08

--Steve




--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Marianne Stebbins" <marianne@...>
wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> I was wondering if there was a disproportionate number of Mensans
supporting Ron Paul, and to stay on topic, liberty in general.  I
noted that Vox Day is a Mensan as well, and the only other Mensan
whose political views I know supports Paul.  As the tech and internet
candidate, he seems to enjoy at least some degree of intelligent
support.  Make of that what you wish.  :-)
>
> To brains and liberty!
>
> Marianne Stebbins
> Excelsior MN
> www.ronpaul2008.com
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steven Burden
>   To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:15 PM
>   Subject: [RLC-Action] Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for
Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
>
>
>   Well, I am a Mensan, and I support Ron Paul.
>
>   I do not support all his positions, but I judge by his record. He
is
>   principled, and has demonstated time and again that he stands by
the
>   fundamental priciples of Liberty.
>
>   No other candidate to date gives me the same confidence level.
With
>   RP, what you see is what you get.
>
>   Can the same be said for Fred? Or any other current candidate? I
>   don't think so.
>
>   I go with a known quantity, even if I don't agree with all his
>   postions. He is far closer, and more predictable then any of the
>   others.
>
>   --Steve
>
>   --- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, "Marianne Stebbins"
<marianne@>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > I see who are F Thompson supporters. Might as well throw a
rascist
>   charge at me while you're at it. The NAU is in the works, and one
>   must have his head in an opiate sand to brush it off. The
supporters
>   of the NAU see it as being no different than the European Union.
Is
>   the EU also a conspiratorial fantasy? I'm starting to think only
>   Mensans understand liberty. We're going to have to simplify
things
>   for the rest of the masses.
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Dave Nalle
>   > To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:10 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] RLC tread lightly on endorsement for
>   Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Good lord. Why would the RLC ever have supported someone like
>   Fred Thompson? I suppose he wasn't yet promoting the North
American
>   Union at that time, and perhaps his views on the First Amendment
>   weren't well know then. But he doesn't seem even close to someone
>   the RLC would endorse. Surely that was a freakish aberration.
>   >
>   >
>   > Perhaps back then we had fewer conspiracy nuts who believed in
>   things like the supposed NAU and think the CFR is an evil
>   conspiracy. Lots of good people belong to the CFR and it's not
even
>   capable of forcing the US to do anything. The NAU on the other
hand
>   is just a fantasy made up from people who can't tell the
difference
>   between trade agreements and secret plots.
>   >
>   >
>   > Dave
>   > --
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#1999 From: John Conway <citizenconway1010@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:12 am
Subject: Re: Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
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I met Steve Burden.  It was well lighted, but I am sure he glows in the dark.  You want intelligent discourse, or a well thought out opinion, talk to him.  The fact that he supports Ron Paul speaks volumes.

In Liberty,
John Conway

----- Original Message ----
From: Marianne Stebbins <marianne@...>
To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:49:42 PM
Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...

Steve,
 
I was wondering if there was a disproportionate number of Mensans supporting Ron Paul, and to stay on topic, liberty in general.  I noted that Vox Day is a Mensan as well, and the only other Mensan whose political views I know supports Paul.  As the tech and internet candidate, he seems to enjoy at least some degree of intelligent support.  Make of that what you wish.  :-)
 
To brains and liberty!
 
Marianne Stebbins
Excelsior MN
www.ronpaul2008. com
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: [RLC-Action] Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...

Well, I am a Mensan, and I support Ron Paul.

I do not support all his positions, but I judge by his record. He is
principled, and has demonstated time and again that he stands by the
fundamental priciples of Liberty.

No other candidate to date gives me the same confidence level. With
RP, what you see is what you get.

Can the same be said for Fred? Or any other current candidate? I
don't think so.

I go with a known quantity, even if I don't agree with all his
postions. He is far closer, and more predictable then any of the
others.

--Steve

--- In RLC-Action@yahoogro ups.com, "Marianne Stebbins" <marianne@.. .>
wrote:
>
> I see who are F Thompson supporters. Might as well throw a rascist
charge at me while you're at it. The NAU is in the works, and one
must have his head in an opiate sand to brush it off. The supporters
of the NAU see it as being no different than the European Union. Is
the EU also a conspiratorial fantasy? I'm starting to think only
Mensans understand liberty. We're going to have to simplify things
for the rest of the masses.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Nalle
> To: RLC-Action@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] RLC tread lightly on endorsement for
Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
>
>
>
> Good lord. Why would the RLC ever have supported someone like
Fred Thompson? I suppose he wasn't yet promoting the North American
Union at that time, and perhaps his views on the First Amendment
weren't well know then. But he doesn't seem even close to someone
the RLC would endorse. Surely that was a freakish aberration.
>
>
> Perhaps back then we had fewer conspiracy nuts who believed in
things like the supposed NAU and think the CFR is an evil
conspiracy. Lots of good people belong to the CFR and it's not even
capable of forcing the US to do anything. The NAU on the other hand
is just a fantasy made up from people who can't tell the difference
between trade agreements and secret plots.
>
>
> Dave
> --
>
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#2000 From: "Jeff Palmer" <jap@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:42 am
Subject: RE: Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
jap_ncrlc
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Interesting.  However [once again!], it's time to get back to the topic of
RLC *Action* (or take this thread to GOP-Liberty).

Jeff Palmer - jap@...
Co-moderator

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [RLC-Action] Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with
Thompson jumpin in...

Not that I have seen. Basically, I think Mensans are more susceptible to the
'liberal disease'... <SNIP>

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#2001 From: westmiller@...
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:47 am
Subject: Elephant in the Mirror
rlc_westmiller
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If one is going to work within the GOP, it's useful to  have
some understanding of the demographics of GOP voters.
Here's an  interesting profile titled "The Elephant Looks in
the  Mirror":
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/06/gop_voters_h
unt.html

It includes a link to an 80-page PP presentation.
Notably,  only 8% consider themselves "Free Marketers"
and 14% are something called  "Dennis Miller Republicans",
but 71% consider themselves "Reagan Republicans"  and
"Conservatives".

Bill



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#2002 From: markcrossea@...
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:03 am
Subject: (No subject)
markcrossea
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Steve and Marianne.

I am also a Mensan and I firmly support Ron Paul.  I
voted for him in 1988.  Any other Mensans out there?

Mark Cross

________________________________________

#2003 From: "Marianne Stebbins" <marianne@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:16 pm
Subject: Re:
mariannesteb...
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We need to start a website:  Mensans for Ron Paul
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:03 AM
Subject: [RLC-Action]

Steve and Marianne.

I am also a Mensan and I firmly support Ron Paul. I
voted for him in 1988. Any other Mensans out there?

Mark Cross

________________________________________


#2004 From: "Steven Burden" <sjburden@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
sjburden
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John, you are embarrasing me. If there is any glow, it must be from
all the irradiated foods we eat. ;-)

Jeff, I too appoligize. You are absolutely correct: Wrong Board. My
last entry on this subject.

--Steve

--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, John Conway
<citizenconway1010@...> wrote:
>
> I met Steve Burden.  It was well lighted, but I am sure he glows in
the dark.  You want intelligent discourse, or a well thought out
opinion, talk to him.  The fact that he supports Ron Paul speaks
volumes.
>
> In Liberty,
> John Conway
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Marianne Stebbins <marianne@...>
> To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:49:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for
Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
>
>
> I was wondering if there was a disproportionate number of
> Mensans supporting Ron Paul, and to stay on topic, liberty in
general.  I
> noted that Vox Day is a Mensan as well, and the only other Mensan
whose
> political views I know supports Paul.  As the tech and internet
> candidate, he seems to enjoy at least some degree of intelligent
support.
> Make of that what you wish.  :-)
>
>
>
> To brains and liberty!
>
>
>
> Marianne Stebbins
> Excelsior MN
> www.ronpaul2008. com
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From:
>   Steven Burden
>
>   To: RLC-Action@yahoogro ups.com
>
>   Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:15
>   PM
>
>   Subject: [RLC-Action] Re: RLC tread
>   lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
>
>
>
>
>
>   Well, I am a Mensan, and I support Ron Paul.
>
> I do not support all
>   his positions, but I judge by his record. He is
> principled, and has
>   demonstated time and again that he stands by the
> fundamental priciples of
>   Liberty.
>
> No other candidate to date gives me the same confidence
>   level. With
> RP, what you see is what you get.
>
> Can the same be said
>   for Fred? Or any other current candidate? I
> don't think so.
>
> I go
>   with a known quantity, even if I don't agree with all his
> postions. He is
>   far closer, and more predictable then any of the
>
> others.
>
> --Steve
>
> --- In RLC-Action@yahoogro ups.com,
>   "Marianne Stebbins" <marianne@ .>
> wrote:
> >
> > I see
>   who are F Thompson supporters. Might as well throw a rascist
> charge at me
>   while you're at it. The NAU is in the works, and one
> must have his head in
>   an opiate sand to brush it off. The supporters
> of the NAU see it as being
>   no different than the European Union. Is
> the EU also a conspiratorial
>   fantasy? I'm starting to think only
> Mensans understand liberty. We're
>   going to have to simplify things
> for the rest of the masses.
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave Nalle
> > To:
>   RLC-Action@yahoogro ups.com
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:10 PM
> > Subject: Re:
>   [RLC-Action] RLC tread lightly on endorsement for
> Prez with Thompson
>   jumpin in...
> >
> >
> >
> > Good lord. Why would the RLC
>   ever have supported someone like
> Fred Thompson? I suppose he wasn't yet
>   promoting the North American
> Union at that time, and perhaps his views on
>   the First Amendment
> weren't well know then. But he doesn't seem even close
>   to someone
> the RLC would endorse. Surely that was a freakish
>   aberration.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps back then we had fewer
>   conspiracy nuts who believed in
> things like the supposed NAU and think the
>   CFR is an evil
> conspiracy. Lots of good people belong to the CFR and it's
>   not even
> capable of forcing the US to do anything. The NAU on the other
>   hand
> is just a fantasy made up from people who can't tell the difference
>
> between trade agreements and secret plots.
> >
> >
> >
>   Dave
> > --
> >
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> >
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#2005 From: Joe Liberty <joe_liberty@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...
joe_liberty
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Enter Stage Right published my letter to the editor comparing Fred Thompson and Ron Paul:
----- Original Message ----
From: Steven Burden <sjburden@...>
To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 6:42:20 PM
Subject: [RLC-Action] Re: RLC tread lightly on endorsement for Prez with Thompson jumpin in...

 >
> >
> >
> > Good lord. Why would the RLC
> ever have supported someone like
> Fred Thompson? I suppose he wasn't yet
> promoting the North American
> Union at that time, and perhaps his views on
> the First Amendment
> weren't well know then. But he doesn't seem even close
> to someone
> the RLC would endorse. Surely that was a freakish
> aberration.
> >

.



#2006 From: "Guy McLendon" <guy@...>
Date: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:41 pm
Subject: End of 2nd Quarter - Get Your Ron Paul Donations in *Tonight*
guymclendon
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Everyone,

Many of you know me ... I'm the Chair of a county Libertarian Party
affiliate located in Houston, Texas, and I've personally endorsed Ron Paul
for President.

Based upon an agreement with local Ron Paul activists, I have just agreed to
purchase 200 Ron Paul yard signs ... costing me about $600 to $700 ...
depending on tax & shipping charges.  I previously gave $500 cash donation.

I challenge all RLC members to match my donations to the Ron Paul campaign.

Respectfully yours,
Guy McLendon
Chair Harris County LP
Houston, Texas

#2007 From: "Jeff Palmer" <jap@...>
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 4:45 pm
Subject: Ron Paulers Invade Hollywood!
jap_ncrlc
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Young Republicans kicking off their national convention yesterday in Hollywood, Florida were greeted by nearly 50 energized Ron Paul supporters from the Miami, Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach-area Ron Paul Meet-Up groups as well as supporters from as far away as North Carolina.

The response was fantastic!  Ron Paul sign waivers in front of the conference hotel elicited honking horns or thumbs up from, without exaggerating, approximately 20 to 25% of passersby (an estimated 900 vehicles per hour) and only 4 "negative responses".  While we targeted YRs arriving at the conference, most were just members of the general public driving on A1A on their way to 4th of July celebrations which makes the familiarity with and support of Ron even more impressive.  [No doubt, the pollsters will dismiss all this support as just internet spamming…  ;)  ]  The effort was covered by at least two media outlets.

No other presidential candidate had even ONE supporter in sight..  Not Giuliani…  Not McCain…  Not even Mitt Romney or Duncan Hunter who are scheduled to address the conference.

Special thanks goes to Phil Blumel of the Florida Republican Liberty Caucus for coordinating the effort.  As a co-sponsor of the conference, the Republican Liberty Caucus will maintain a table inside the convention and continue to carry the libertarian message to the YRs throughout the remainder of the week.

This is for real!  Ron Paul in 2008!

Jeff Palmer - jap@...
Republican Liberty Caucus
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Quote of the Week:   “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes... known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” -- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795


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#2008 From: DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:20 pm
Subject: Founding Documents Study Group
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I am seeking suggestions for sources of trustworthy study materials and commentary on the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Amendments, Federalist Papers, Jury Nullification, etc., for an adult study group. I'd really like to obtain ready-made study guides (no sense reinventing the wheel). If you can think of any related topics for this study group, please let me know.

As much as it is logical that libertarians will have published worthy materials on the Internet, so too, statist scalawags will have published materials contaminated with Left-think. I don't want to waste time randomly reviewing stuff (there are millions of Google entries), so if you've found some really good sources, I'd deeply appreciate it if you'd share them with me.

Given that the group, let's call it the Liberty Group, will be associated with a non profit religious organization, it must strictly adhere to a non partisan program. I am tasked with providing an outline and samples of  study materials, allowing the church to review them and be satisfied that we will not run afoul of government restrictions on our free speech (sardonic irony intended). The church suggested that so long as the group remains politically neutral and focuses on civic duties and responsibilities -- to which I want to add rights and authorities -- then there should be no problem with the project.

Any suggestions for this study group are welcome. I have yet to decide the frequency of meetings (weekly, bi-weekly, monthly?), as that will depend on the depth of materials, availability of facilities, and desires of attendees.


Thanks for your kind consideration and useful suggestions.

Doug Harrison
Minnesota


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#2009 From: "Gary" <gary_coplin@...>
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 11:59 am
Subject: Re: End of 2nd Quarter - Get Your Ron Paul Donations in *Tonight*
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How many fellow Libertarians will replecate what you have spent Guy
McClendon. Seems like you should also be posting in your own party
yahoo group or switch affiliations.
But really, why would a Libertarian support a person who is not the
Libertarian presidential candidate?

Regards GaryC

#2010 From: "Gary" <gary_coplin@...>
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: Elephant in the Mirror
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Seems to me that Bill is saying, 71% of the regestered Republicans will
never support Dr. Ron Paul. Now what. GaryC

--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, westmiller@... wrote:

>
> It includes a link to an 80-page PP presentation.
> Notably,  only 8% consider themselves "Free Marketers"
> and 14% are something called  "Dennis Miller Republicans",
> but 71% consider themselves "Reagan Republicans"  and
> "Conservatives".
>
> Bill
>

#2011 From: "Thomas Sewell" <sharper@...>
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 10:52 pm
Subject: RE: Founding Documents Study Group
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Try the National Center for Constitutional Studies (NCCS). They've got just about everything you'll need. http://www.nccs.net/
 
Thomas
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Subject: [RLC-Action] Founding Documents Study Group

I am seeking suggestions for sources of trustworthy study materials and commentary on the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Amendments, Federalist Papers, Jury Nullification, etc., for an adult study group. I'd really like to obtain ready-made study guides (no sense reinventing the wheel). If you can think of any related topics for this study group, please let me know.

As much as it is logical that libertarians will have published worthy materials on the Internet, so too, statist scalawags will have published materials contaminated with Left-think. I don't want to waste time randomly reviewing stuff (there are millions of Google entries), so if you've found some really good sources, I'd deeply appreciate it if you'd share them with me.

Given that the group, let's call it the Liberty Group, will be associated with a non profit religious organization, it must strictly adhere to a non partisan program. I am tasked with providing an outline and samples of  study materials, allowing the church to review them and be satisfied that we will not run afoul of government restrictions on our free speech (sardonic irony intended). The church suggested that so long as the group remains politically neutral and focuses on civic duties and responsibilities -- to which I want to add rights and authorities -- then there should be no problem with the project.

Any suggestions for this study group are welcome. I have yet to decide the frequency of meetings (weekly, bi-weekly, monthly?), as that will depend on the depth of materials, availability of facilities, and desires of attendees.


Thanks for your kind consideration and useful suggestions.

Doug Harrison
Minnesota


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#2012 From: "Dan McGuire" <danmcguire@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 11:19 am
Subject: Re: Elephant in the Mirror
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What's wrong with Reagan Republicans?  Ron Paul himself was a very early supporter of Reagan.



Posted by: "Gary" gary_coplin@...   gary_coplin

Sun Jul 8, 2007 3:49 pm (PST)

Seems to me that Bill is saying, 71% of the regestered Republicans will
never support Dr. Ron Paul. Now what. GaryC

--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, westmiller@... wrote:

>
> It includes a link to an 80-page PP presentation.
> Notably, only 8% consider themselves "Free Marketers"
> and 14% are something called "Dennis Miller Republicans",
> but 71% consider themselves "Reagan Republicans" and
> "Conservatives".
>
> Bill
>

#2013 From: Nasir Muhammad <nasirmuhammadconsulting@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:27 pm
Subject: Re:Founding Documents Study Group
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You might try George Mason University's (HNN) History News Network; they have many articles on the subject matter you are seeking.
 
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#2014 From: "Philip Blumel" <pblumel@...>
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 6:17 pm
Subject: RLC featured on Advocates website
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Whenever you hold a RLC using the WSPQ, be sure to send the photo to
the Advocates for Self Government who will publish it on their site.

-- Philip Blumel, www.rlcfl.org

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The Quiz in Action... Cristian Mihai Adomnitei (right), the minister
of education for Romania, takes the quiz at the Young Republicans
National Convention July 5 in Hollywood, FL, while Republican Liberty
Caucus Vice Chair Philip Blumel chats with another conventioneer. The
Quiz was the highlight of the exhibit booth of the Republican Liberty
Caucus (RLC), and explicitly libertarian caucus within the GOP. [Photo
from the RLC).] Note: The full-color Diamond Chart poster and
Operation Politically Homeless (OPH) outreach booth kits are available
for sale from the Advocates.

See http://www.theadvocates.org/

#2015 From: westmiller@...
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: Elephant in the Mirror
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Posted by: "Gary" gary_coplin@...
> Seems to me that Bill is saying, 71% of the regestered Republicans
> will never support Dr. Ron Paul. Now what. GaryC
    Seriously: read what I wrote. It doesn't say that at all.
It does explain why Ron usually calls himself a "conservative"
and a "Reagan Republican", rather than a libertarian.
 
Bill

--- In RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com, westmiller@... wrote:

>
> It includes a link to an 80-page PP presentation.
> Notably,  only 8% consider themselves "Free Marketers"
> and 14% are something called  "Dennis Miller Republicans",
> but 71% consider themselves "Reagan Republicans"  and
> "Conservatives".
>
> Bill
 




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#2016 From: "Philip Blumel" <pblumel@...>
Date: Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:18 pm
Subject: YRNC 2007 recap with pictures
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The Republican Liberty Caucus raised its flag in Hollywood – and, by
extension, nationally -- over the long July 4 weekend as a Governor's
Level sponsor and active participant in the Young Republicans National
Convention at the Westin Diplomat Resort.

Check it out: www.rlcfl.org

#2017 From: DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:26 pm
Subject: Rightoberfest
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CONSERVA-VOID
"On the conservative side, A-list speakers assemble at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) -- where Ann Coulter referred to former Sen. John Edwards with an anti-gay slur earlier this year. But CPAC doesn't have an online community.  And conservatives don't have anything quite like the Daily Kos blog, either."  -- San Francisco Chronicle  (from Chuck Muth's News & Views)

RIGHTOBERFEST
"We conservatives are wasting great opportunities to organize and spread the word.  The Chron makes a good point about the higher level of enthusiasm and activity that the left has exhibited thus far. In answer to this, there is one thing for conservative bloggers on the near horizon that will help us catch up with the left's power on the Internet.

"A new conservative blogger's convention is coming in October and it promises to be the first in a series of such conventions that will help energize the right like the YearlyKos has energized the left.  The Conservative Leadership Conference is planning Rightoberfest, a large convention to be held in Reno, Nevada, this October. They promise some high-powered guests, panels and the like to rival a YearlyKos styled event. It promises to be an amazing weekend."  -- Blogger Warner Todd Houston, Newsbusters.org, 7/29/07 (from Chuck Muth's News & Views)

How unfortunate that the conservative movement should come up with a moniker like "Rightoberfest" for a conservative bloggers' convention. What were they thinking?! The Left is already calling conservatives Nazis, and now the CLC hands them something that can be warped into "Reich über allas" ... as if Oktoberfest wasn't Germanic enough. Am I the only one that sees flashes of red, white and black flags flying over gray uniformed goose-stompers passing in review? It's not a pretty image. I am just shaking my head in disbelief at this incredible lapse of judgment.

Doug Harrison
Minnesota






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#2018 From: "DJ Entropy" <djentropy@...>
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:18 pm
Subject: Re: Rightoberfest
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What are you talking about?  This is downright awesome!



On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:26:41 -0400, DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>
wrote:

>     CONSERVA-VOID
>     "On the conservative side, A-list speakers assemble at the annual
>     Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) -- where Ann Coulter
>     referred to former Sen. John Edwards with an anti-gay slur earlier
>     this year. But CPAC doesn't have an online community.  And
>     conservatives don't have anything quite like the Daily Kos blog,
>     either."  -- San Francisco Chronicle  (from Chuck Muth's News &
> Views)
>
>     RIGHTOBERFEST
>     "We conservatives are wasting great opportunities to organize and
>     spread the word.  The Chron makes a good point about the higher
>     level of enthusiasm and activity that the left has exhibited thus
>     far. In answer to this, there is one thing for conservative bloggers
>     on the near horizon that will help us catch up with the left's power
>     on the Internet.
>
>     "A new conservative blogger's convention is coming in October and it
>     promises to be the first in a series of such conventions that will
>     help energize the right like the YearlyKos has energized the left.
>     The Conservative Leadership Conference <http://www.clc07.com> is
>     planning Rightoberfest, a large convention to be held in Reno,
>     Nevada, this October. They promise some high-powered guests, panels
>     and the like to rival a YearlyKos styled event. It promises to be an
>     amazing weekend."  -- Blogger Warner Todd Houston, Newsbusters.org,
>     7/29/07 (from Chuck Muth's News & Views)
>
>
> How unfortunate that the conservative movement should come up with a
> moniker like "Rightoberfest" for a conservative bloggers' convention.
> What were they thinking?! The Left is already calling conservatives
> Nazis, and now the CLC hands them something that can be warped into
> "Reich über allas" ... as if Oktoberfest wasn't Germanic enough. Am I
> the only one that sees flashes of red, white and black flags flying over
> gray uniformed goose-stompers passing in review? It's not a pretty
> image. I am just shaking my head in disbelief at this incredible lapse
> of judgment.
>
> Doug Harrison
> Minnesota
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#2019 From: DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Rightoberfest
huaruisheng
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What are you talking about?  This is downright awesome! -- DJ Entropy

Nothing wrong with the conservative blogger conference -- sigh! -- it's the frickin' name they chose for it! How much more clearly did I have to explain that to y'all? The name is stupid, not the conference! I love the idea of the blogger's conference; I hate the stupid name they nailed onto it.

Doug Harrison
Minnesota

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:26:41 -0400, DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>  wrote:

    CONSERVA-VOID
    "On the conservative side, A-list speakers assemble at the annual
    Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) -- where Ann Coulter
    referred to former Sen. John Edwards with an anti-gay slur earlier
    this year. But CPAC doesn't have an online community.  And
    conservatives don't have anything quite like the Daily Kos blog,
    either."  -- San Francisco Chronicle  (from Chuck Muth's News &  Views)

    RIGHTOBERFEST
    "We conservatives are wasting great opportunities to organize and
    spread the word.  The Chron makes a good point about the higher
    level of enthusiasm and activity that the left has exhibited thus
    far. In answer to this, there is one thing for conservative bloggers
    on the near horizon that will help us catch up with the left's power
    on the Internet.

    "A new conservative blogger's convention is coming in October and it
    promises to be the first in a series of such conventions that will
    help energize the right like the YearlyKos has energized the left.
    The Conservative Leadership Conference <http://www.clc07.com> is
    planning Rightoberfest, a large convention to be held in Reno,
    Nevada, this October. They promise some high-powered guests, panels
    and the like to rival a YearlyKos styled event. It promises to be an
    amazing weekend."  -- Blogger Warner Todd Houston, Newsbusters.org,
    7/29/07 (from Chuck Muth's News & Views)


How unfortunate that the conservative movement should come up with a
moniker like "Rightoberfest" for a conservative bloggers' convention.
What were they thinking?! The Left is already calling conservatives
Nazis, and now the CLC hands them something that can be warped into
"Reich über allas" ... as if Oktoberfest wasn't Germanic enough. Am I
the only one that sees flashes of red, white and black flags flying over
gray uniformed goose-stompers passing in review? It's not a pretty
image. I am just shaking my head in disbelief at this incredible lapse
of judgment.

Doug Harrison
Minnesota


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#2020 From: "Robert K Stock" <robertstock@...>
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:55 pm
Subject: Re: Rightoberfest
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German does not equal Nazi.
 
The name Rightoberfest makes me think of a raucous good time and nothing beyond that.
 
Do not worry what the Left may think. To them everyone who is not a Liberal is a Nazi.
 
Robert K Stock
El Reno, Oklahoma
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From: DGHarrison
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [RLC-Action] Rightoberfest

What are you talking about?  This is downright awesome! -- DJ Entropy

Nothing wrong with the conservative blogger conference -- sigh! -- it's the frickin' name they chose for it! How much more clearly did I have to explain that to y'all? The name is stupid, not the conference! I love the idea of the blogger's conference; I hate the stupid name they nailed onto it.

Doug Harrison
Minnesota

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:26:41 -0400, DGHarrison <DGHarrison@USFamily.net>  wrote:

    CONSERVA-VOID
    "On the conservative side, A-list speakers assemble at the annual
    Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) -- where Ann Coulter
    referred to former Sen. John Edwards with an anti-gay slur earlier
    this year. But CPAC doesn't have an online community.  And
    conservatives don't have anything quite like the Daily Kos blog,
    either."  -- San Francisco Chronicle  (from Chuck Muth's News &  Views)

    RIGHTOBERFEST
    "We conservatives are wasting great opportunities to organize and
    spread the word.  The Chron makes a good point about the higher
    level of enthusiasm and activity that the left has exhibited thus
    far. In answer to this, there is one thing for conservative bloggers
    on the near horizon that will help us catch up with the left's power
    on the Internet.

    "A new conservative blogger's convention is coming in October and it
    promises to be the first in a series of such conventions that will
    help energize the right like the YearlyKos has energized the left.
    The Conservative Leadership Conference <http://www.clc07.com> is
    planning Rightoberfest, a large convention to be held in Reno,
    Nevada, this October. They promise some high-powered guests, panels
    and the like to rival a YearlyKos styled event. It promises to be an
    amazing weekend."  -- Blogger Warner Todd Houston, Newsbusters.org,
    7/29/07 (from Chuck Muth's News & Views)


How unfortunate that the conservative movement should come up with a
moniker like "Rightoberfest" for a conservative bloggers' convention.
What were they thinking?! The Left is already calling conservatives
Nazis, and now the CLC hands them something that can be warped into
"Reich über allas" ... as if Oktoberfest wasn't Germanic enough. Am I
the only one that sees flashes of red, white and black flags flying over
gray uniformed goose-stompers passing in review? It's not a pretty
image. I am just shaking my head in disbelief at this incredible lapse
of judgment.

Doug Harrison
Minnesota


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#2021 From: "DJ Entropy" <djentropy@...>
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: Rightoberfest
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I like the name!

I'm German, it's great!



On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:42:37 -0400, DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>
wrote:

>     What are you talking about?  This is downright awesome! -- DJ Entropy
>
>
> Nothing wrong with the conservative blogger conference -- sigh! -- it's
> the frickin' name they chose for it! How much more clearly did I have to
> explain that to y'all? The name is stupid, not the conference! I love
> the idea of the blogger's conference; I hate the stupid name they nailed
> onto it.
>
> Doug Harrison
> Minnesota
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:26:41 -0400, DGHarrison
>> <DGHarrison@...>  wrote:
>>
>>>     CONSERVA-VOID
>>>     "On the conservative side, A-list speakers assemble at the annual
>>>     Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) -- where Ann
>>> Coulter
>>>     referred to former Sen. John Edwards with an anti-gay slur earlier
>>>     this year. But CPAC doesn't have an online community.  And
>>>     conservatives don't have anything quite like the Daily Kos blog,
>>>     either."  -- San Francisco Chronicle  (from Chuck Muth's News &
>>> Views)
>>>
>>>     RIGHTOBERFEST
>>>     "We conservatives are wasting great opportunities to organize and
>>>     spread the word.  The Chron makes a good point about the higher
>>>     level of enthusiasm and activity that the left has exhibited thus
>>>     far. In answer to this, there is one thing for conservative
>>> bloggers
>>>     on the near horizon that will help us catch up with the left's
>>> power
>>>     on the Internet.
>>>
>>>     "A new conservative blogger's convention is coming in October and
>>> it
>>>     promises to be the first in a series of such conventions that will
>>>     help energize the right like the YearlyKos has energized the left.
>>>     The Conservative Leadership Conference <http://www.clc07.com> is
>>>     planning Rightoberfest, a large convention to be held in Reno,
>>>     Nevada, this October. They promise some high-powered guests, panels
>>>     and the like to rival a YearlyKos styled event. It promises to be
>>> an
>>>     amazing weekend."  -- Blogger Warner Todd Houston, Newsbusters.org,
>>>     7/29/07 (from Chuck Muth's News & Views)
>>>
>>>
>>> How unfortunate that the conservative movement should come up with a
>>> moniker like "Rightoberfest" for a conservative bloggers' convention.
>>> What were they thinking?! The Left is already calling conservatives
>>> Nazis, and now the CLC hands them something that can be warped into
>>> "Reich über allas" ... as if Oktoberfest wasn't Germanic enough. Am I
>>> the only one that sees flashes of red, white and black flags flying
>>> over
>>> gray uniformed goose-stompers passing in review? It's not a pretty
>>> image. I am just shaking my head in disbelief at this incredible lapse
>>> of judgment.
>>>
>>> Doug Harrison
>>> Minnesota
>>
>
>
>
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#2022 From: DGHarrison <DGHarrison@...>
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:52 am
Subject: Re: Rightoberfest
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German does not equal Nazi.
No doubt. And I'm not saying it does. What I am saying is that the Left will say it does. You can defend it all you want and get your undies in a bunch just because I pointed it out, but people really do need to consider all the ramifications of a thing.

Qwest, the telephone company, had started up with a campaign slogan a while back that was not well thought out. They used "Spirit of Service in Action." I wrote to them to suggest that there might be some "blowback" from unhappy customers and from competitors, who would twist the slogan to "Spirit of Service Inaction." They agreed with me, and first attempted to fix it by having the actors carefully enunciate the "in action," so it wouldn't sound like one word. But that didn't work out too well, so now they use just "Spirit of Service" as their slogan. They probably spent millions of dollars to come up with the first version, and millions more to change it over to the second version. Even marketing specialists can make mistakes. Maybe the first version came from the president of the company -- and everyone adored it (because the president came up with it, and no one was going to stick their neck out to say they didn't like it). All I'm saying is that you need to consider how a name you love can be corrupted and used in an awful way against you.

You can stop attacking the messenger now, 'cause I'm done trying to explain it to you.

Doug Harrison
Minnesota

P.S. I'm German too (one quarter English, Dad's side), and there are lots of Germans in my neck of the woods, and I've asked some of them what they thought about this issue, and they agree that the Left is going to pounce on it. Oh well ....


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#2023 From: "Jeffrey Borrowdale" <borrowdalej@...>
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:14 am
Subject: Freedomworks Presidential Straw Poll
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Cast your vote for Ron Paul  in the Freedomworks  Presidential Poll.

http://www.freedomworks.org/strawpoll/ 

Freedomworks  does a lot of good work on taxes, spending and regulation, and always seems to be on top of the latest pending legislation at both the Federal and State level. If your activism includes letter writing and phone calls, it's a great resource.

Jeffrey Borrowdale

#2024 From: Joe Liberty <joe_liberty@...>
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:44 am
Subject: Re: Freedomworks Presidential Straw Poll
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I was on the last Freedomworks conference call and asked Dick Armey if Freedom Works would be endorsing Ron.  Dick had only positive things to say about Ron, but when I pressed him for an endorsement he mumbled something about possible legal problems.  Then Matt chimed in and asked me to contact Ron's campaign because they have not returned the candidate survey Freedom Works sent them. I did, but I don't know if they have yet or not.

----- Original Message ----
From: Jeffrey Borrowdale <borrowdalej@...>
To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:14:55 PM
Subject: [RLC-Action] Freedomworks Presidential Straw Poll

Cast your vote for Ron Paul  in the Freedomworks  Presidential Poll.

http://www.freedomw orks.org/ strawpoll/ 

Freedomworks  does a lot of good work on taxes, spending and regulation, and always seems to be on top of the latest pending legislation at both the Federal and State level. If your activism includes letter writing and phone calls, it's a great resource.

Jeffrey Borrowdale



#2025 From: "Philip Blumel" <pblumel@...>
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:43 pm
Subject: RLC and the Ron Paul campaign
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Since the RLC of Florida put a Ron Paul story on its website,
viewership exploded and, as a result, so has the membership in the
state Yahoo Group. We also have been signing up new RLC members at
Ron Paul Meetup groups. All it takes is  bringing sign up formms and
making a small pitch. In Florida, we are suggesting that inactive
and new Republicans (as many Ron supporters are) use our network to
get assimilated to GOP libertarian activism.

Remember that Ron is a former chair of this organization so a news
story about Ron on your website is not out of line, although the
story should not be a transparent puff piece as the RLC has not
endorsed anyone for president. To see how Florida is playing it, see
www.rlcfl.org.

Clearly the Ron Paul campaign presents a great marketing opporunity
for the RLC. Let's take full advantage of it.

-- Philip Blumel

#2026 From: Joe Liberty <joe_liberty@...>
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: RLC and the Ron Paul campaign
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And of course, the state chapters that have endorsed Ron can indicate that on their site is well, which would probably be even more effective in bringing Ron Paul meetup members into the RLC.

----- Original Message ----
From: Philip Blumel <pblumel@...>
To: RLC-Action@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:43:20 AM
Subject: [RLC-Action] RLC and the Ron Paul campaign

Since the RLC of Florida put a Ron Paul story on its website,
viewership exploded and, as a result, so has the membership in the
state Yahoo Group. We also have been signing up new RLC members at
Ron Paul Meetup groups. All it takes is bringing sign up formms and
making a small pitch. In Florida, we are suggesting that inactive
and new Republicans (as many Ron supporters are) use our network to
get assimilated to GOP libertarian activism.

Remember that Ron is a former chair of this organization so a news
story about Ron on your website is not out of line, although the
story should not be a transparent puff piece as the RLC has not
endorsed anyone for president. To see how Florida is playing it, see
www.rlcfl.org.

Clearly the Ron Paul campaign presents a great marketing opporunity
for the RLC. Let's take full advantage of it.

-- Philip Blumel



#2027 From: westmiller@...
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:40 pm
Subject: RLC website development / eGroups Progress
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Members,

The National  Board has begun development of a new
website and a new member eGroup. Here's  a rundown.

1. National Secretary Thomas Sewell, who  has been
Chairman of the Communications Committee, will be
supervising  website development in close cooperation
with Webmaster Steve Redlich and  other members;

2. Thomas will provide a development  server in DC
with an open-source utility called "Drupal", which seems
to  be familiar to other participants and full-featured;

3. Technical and design discussion will be posted
to the "RLC-Comm" eGroup.  Anyone who is interested
in assisting with development should be directed  to
subscribe to that Yahoo eGroup;

4. Philip is in  charge of the new "RLC-News" eGroup,
which will serve as a member newsletter.  Content will
be coordinated with the website at  "RLC-Comm";

5. RLC officers will be notified here when  there is
a development site ready for their review;

6. The National Board has expressed reluctance
about having "official"  editorial/commentary content
on the website, but we'll review the options  once the
site is capable of accepting submissions;

7. Both RLC-Discuss and RLC-Action will be
maintained and open to members  only, but it will
not be promoted to new members, who will only
receive an  invite to join RLC-News;

8. The "Liberty Watch" eList  will remain a
separate "official" RLC news outlet for members
and  prospects who opt-in through the website
(we still need an Editor who can  compose HTML
and use our "Subscribe Me" services).

Thanks to all those who have volunteered to
assist. I will be actively  involved, but otherwise
hope to catch up on member DB updates. I'll
also  be working on a separate service that will
allow officers and members to  update their own
information (probably on RepublicanLiberty.org)
using the  ASP website utilities.

If there are any members who  would like to
assist in the website effort, please  join:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RLC-Comm

Bill




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