Brett, You seem to be taking this pretty well. Since I am a Stoic, I find that impressive. Malcolm Schosha __________________________________________________ ...
Well, moving right along, this is the message I tried to send right after our school "burned to the ground...." Strange, the vagaries of these things.... ... ...
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Larry Rafey
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Jan 18, 2005 1:20 am
Below is a message I wrote for ACB (and any other interested member, of course, in response to his response to my previous response....O.K. any way, it was...
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Larry Rafey
rafey@...
Jan 18, 2005 1:21 am
... From: Larry Rafey To: Pythagorean-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Pythagorean]: ...Technology...was God, the Cosmos,...
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Larry Rafey
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Jan 18, 2005 2:28 am
Pul-tarchh....Pu..l...tarrchh....Yea! For his name shall be forever mis-appropriated....... As Klaus has pointed out, there is some doubt about the general...
Thanks for that, Malcom. I am a stoic prokopton myself. I read a discourse of Epictetus every day. Your description in another message that dealing with Yahoo...
I grieve the loss of the archives, our accumulated queries and wisdom. As I understand Stoicism, at times it has its place. But to only be primarily one way...
<<As I understand Stoicism, at times it has its place. But to only be primarily one way (particularly a way that doesn't express the feelings) is, in my...
It's a common misconception that stoics do not have or express feelings. Feelings are ultimately the product of judgments we make. The judgments we make are...
... be ... ............ Cal, Have you studied, and practiced, Stoicism. How much knowledge is your judgement actually based on? I could share with you my...
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Larry Rafey
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Jan 21, 2005 12:24 am
Cal........It seems that you are speaking from a superficial view of Stoicism. Its philosophy extends much deeper than mere stiff upper lip stuff. I don't find...
I don't think stoicism is about suppression of the feelings, I think it's about having Reason, "the best Charioteer," be our guide. I think that reason finds...
Also, Brett is quite right to read a passage of Epictetus every day. Its a very useful type of mental therapy. Though daily study of Epictetus' discourses we ...
Peter: Very well. What do you think of this: "There are two ways of escaping from suffering; The one by rising above the causes of conflict, the other by...
Can be downloaded from http://classics.mit.edu/Epictetus/discourses.html ... From: James McKinnon To: Pythagorean-L@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 20,...
... above the causes of conflict, the other by sinking below them.-The one is the eligious method; the other is the vulgar, the wordly method.-The one is...
I would respond to Beecher by saying that his religious method seems to amount to waiting around for some other being to solve your problems, and that the ...
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Larry Rafey
rafey@...
Jan 22, 2005 12:32 am
I think that James' description really says it well ! Rafey...
James: You might like to read: "Lead me O God, and thou my destiny. To that one place which you will have me fill. I follow gladly. Should i strive with thee,...
Yes, It has been my custom to pray Cleanthes' prayer regularly, though I admit that I sometimes lack the courage to mean it. It takes a strong person to want...
I agree. That was GOOD James. Woooo.... ... From: Larry Rafey To: Pythagorean@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: [Pythagorean-L]...
Hello James: Stoicism can lead to a very pessimistic view of life. Cleanthes, for example, when he reached I believe the age of seventy he thought of going...
... for example, when he reached I believe the age of seventy he thought of going on a prolonged fast. He actually did that to end his life, which he did....
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Larry Rafey
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Jan 22, 2005 10:12 pm
Yes...well now I'm depressed ! Leave it to Ballasac to find ...the Dark Side ! As Malcolm points out, there were extenuating circumstances, however,...
I've never seen Stoicism as pessimistic. Virtually everyone I've spoken to on the subject, who has read about Stoicism, but isn't a practitioner, has told me...
And don't forget, re your last paragraph below, the implied suicide/homicide that is inherent in Christian apocalyptic beliefs. The idea that the "world we ...
Hello James: I thank you for making it Stoicism possible to understand. I am not going to go into the history of my "problem" but I think you will agree with...
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Larry Rafey
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Jan 23, 2005 4:57 pm
Yes...I think some refer to this attitude as embracing change, regardless of its good/evil, positive/negative perception. Such duality does not appear to have...
