Good stuff, Justin!
John Carrier at LCC Winona STate once told me of a program in the Fox Cities
region of WI (Neenah, et al), called LEAVEN, which we might look at as a
model which we could adapt.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Green [mailto:jgreen@...]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:44 PM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Subject: re: [PovertyRndTable] Meeting urgent requests for material aid


I think that Jim has it exactly right, and I agree with what Scott had to
say as well.

A point of clarification is in order.  I think that Jim's take on a
directory is correct.  I do not have in mind forming any kind of directory
that would allow anyone to track people asking for help.  Doing so would
infringe privacy and, even though it could be done on grounds that the
person asking for assistance in effect consents to waiving privacy in
exchange for the help, I find that approach un-Christian and demeaning to
the poor.  The only directory I have in mind is one of services such that
anyone with a computer can find out where to apply for assistance.

I further agree with Rick's observations about the deserving as opposed to
the undeserving poor.  But, there are two pitfalls of which we must be
aware.  First, if no screening of any sort is conducted, then the demands
for services and commodities will far outstrip supply, as if they don't
already.  That is just the way the world functions.  Jesus didn't have the
problem because if every leper came to him asking for a cure, he could (and
would) cure them.  But, if they all had asked for help with their rent, from
where would he get the resources?  So, if I met a person at church and
talked with them about their need for assistance, I am not likely to impose
any qualifications or ask about deserving.  But if a hundred people come to
ask for help, the resources won't stretch that far, so on what basis do I
make my decision?

Second, there is a stewardship issue.  When people make contributions to
assist the poor, they assume that the organization - the recipient - is
doing what it ought to be doing to help the beneficiary.  When we invented
Gifts for Winona last year, we included a screening component, though Gifts
for Winona did not set standards.  In terms of stewardship, when people
asked we wanted to be able to say that everyone whose data was included in
the program was in need. Again, it sounds distinctly un-Christian, but it
also is realistic.  We are in the world, though not of the world.

We have a poorly functioning directory now or, rather, a directory that is
exhaustive of people resources.  When people ask for help, someone puts the
request on the server and people chime in with suggestions, referrals, etc.
The goal, I think, is to have all of this information available on a web
site, thus addressing the first question - where do I go for help.

The problems arise when there is no place to go for help, when the
particular service or commodity is not offered, or it normally is offered
but not currently, such as the size 13 boots that could not be found at WVS.
Because our directory is as yet not functional and because of the
limimtations of the support system in town, we put poor people through a
dehumanizing process of making call after call and following referral after
referral to get help.  It shouldn't be like that, we should not require
people to go through that kind of process to get what they need.

In Louisiana, I directed an agency similar to WVS that was the major
referral point for churches and a lot of other organizatoins in town.  We
had the directory (it wasn't electronic, but it worked), and we had some
resources.  Lafayette was a heavily Catholic community - we had nearly two
dozen parishes in the metro area - and many of the parishes did not have
staff to do a good job of helping the poor.  The parishes sent us funds
every month, and told us to use the money to help the poor.  They then
referred people who called them asking for help to us, and we tapped into
everything that the community had to offer.  We also were able to develop a
level of "professionalism" that enabled the staff to help people beyond
their immediate need.

That takes me to the point that Scott and Jim made about New Focus.  Yes, I
think that New Focus will serve as a major clearinghouse for people who need
help to get by.  And, what will the New Focus volunteer do with a request
for help?  Without the electronic directory, probably tell them to go to
Rick's office.  Even with the electronic directory, what will the person do
when, upon returning to the volunteer after exhausting all of the directory
resources, still is in need?  Probably go to Rick's office.

I jest a bit at Rick's expense, but I hope you see the problem.  The
directory will assemble information about resources, but it won't create
resources.  It will tell us about the pies that are available, but it won't
create any more pies.  There are, then, two issues.  The mechanical issue of
providing information can be solved, as Jim points out.  The second issue
focuses on the baking of more pies.  As a faith community, what can we do to
assure that people who need help can get it?

No one wants to hear it, but the answer is money.  If the person in need of
Size 13 boots did not find any at WVS, he essentially was out of luck, and
forced to go door to door to get funds to buy boots.  Suppose, instead, that
the churches in town supplied a fund from which WVS staff could provide the
resources to go buy the boots?  First, would WVS be willing to do this?
Second, what would WVS charge us to do it, after all, it does represent an
investment of more staff time?  Third, are the churches in town willing to
change thenature of their participation in the helping business by turning
the enterprise over to the "professionals" and providing the wherewithal?
Finally, and most important, is this the best way to help our neighbors in
need?

I look forward to a continuation of the conversation and the search for a
solution.


Justin



On Monday, January 05, 2004 12:03 PM, Jim Allaire wrote:
>
>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:03:26 -0600
>From: Jim Allaire
>To: "Poverty Roundtable" <PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Meeting urgent requests for material aid
>
>Hello PRT,
>
>Shortly after Christmas both Justin Green and Rick King wrote emails
>raising questions about having a system for meeting requests for direct
>material aid.
>
>Justin's email of 12/28/03 expressed the concern that it feels like
>requests seem to "reinvent the wheel every time." He sums up his view by
>saying "Maybe addressing the question of direct need and trying to
>devise a more effective and efficient way to work with Winona Volunteer
>services and other agencies already in the field could be next on our
>agenda."
>
>Rick King's email of 12/29/03 suggested that we could use a website for
>matching emergency needs with material aid and tracking with some level
>of anonymity. He imagines an at-a-glance and real-time report with dates
>and services provided for each person served. He sees this data password
>protected. Rick wonders if the existing WinonaShares.org website could
>be used. He says directly, "Jim Allaire and the website team, this is a
>question for your group, I guess."  (The website group will address this
>when we meet later this week or early next week.)
>
>Both Justin and Rick raise very good points and a whole host of
>questions, religious, moral, and technical.
>
>Starting with the last point, the technical, it is quite easy to do.
>
>From a moral/ethical viewpoint I wonder about having a database that is,
>in effect, secret. Think for a moment about all the controversy over
>sexual offender lists. There are data privacy concerns for me. There
>would have to be signed releases, etc. My social service experience is
>in mental health services where there are clear laws about sharing
>information. Most mandatory databases are around criminal behavior, or
>more recently, terrorism. Being poor is neither criminal or terroristic.
>Even commercial databases are often opt-in and voluntary.
>
>The religious issues involved are complex. I know from talking to
>pastors and many discussions within the Catholic Worker community that
>nobody wants to feel they are being used and that some folks will abuse
>Christian charity. Jesus was disappointed that only one leper returned
>to give thanks. Did he stop healings after that? I doubt it. The brother
>of the prodigal son was bitter at his father's generosity. And the rain
>falls on both the good and bad farmer's fields. Yet St. Paul will say
>that if you don't work you can't eat.
>
>Dorothy Day, who co-founded the Catholic Worker Movement with Peter
>Maurin in 1933, often decried the distinction of the so called worthy
>and unworthy poor that government thinking makes. She also berated
>herself for holding on to wanting gratitude expressed for serving the
>poor.
>
>One maxim of Peter Maurin's was that we should build a society where it
>is "easier for people to be good." In our context, can we find a way
>(policy, structure) for people to get what they need and not have to use
>deceit in the process?
>
>Having said all this, here are some additional personal thoughts. The
>needs we are talking about are for urgent needs, needs that are pivotal
>for someone right now. (These are distinguished from true health or
>safety emergencies--vital needs.) If this or that, then this or that can
>happen for a person. For example, safety shoes for a job, transportation
>for an appointment, a rent deposit, etc. Most often cash is the answer
>when agencies are closed on weekends or it is hard to know where the
>specific need can be met.
>
>I look forward to the dialogue around these issues.
>
>Peace,
>Jim Allaire
>jallaire@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





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I think that Jim has it exactly right, and I agree with what Scott had to say as
well.

A point of clarification is in order.  I think that Jim's take on a directory is
correct.  I do not have in mind forming any kind of directory that would allow
anyone to track people asking for help.  Doing so would infringe privacy and,
even though it could be done on grounds that the person asking for assistance in
effect consents to waiving privacy in exchange for the help, I find that
approach un-Christian and demeaning to the poor.  The only directory I have in
mind is one of services such that anyone with a computer can find out where to
apply for assistance.

I further agree with Rick's observations about the deserving as opposed to the
undeserving poor.  But, there are two pitfalls of which we must be aware. 
First, if no screening of any sort is conducted, then the demands for services
and commodities will far outstrip supply, as if they don't already.  That is
just the way the world functions.  Jesus didn't have the problem because if
every leper came to him asking for a cure, he could (and would) cure them.  But,
if they all had asked for help with their rent, from where would he get the
resources?  So, if I met a person at church and talked with them about their
need for assistance, I am not likely to impose any qualifications or ask about
deserving.  But if a hundred people come to ask for help, the resources won't
stretch that far, so on what basis do I make my decision?

Second, there is a stewardship issue.  When people make contributions to assist
the poor, they assume that the organization - the recipient - is doing what it
ought to be doing to help the beneficiary.  When we invented Gifts for Winona
last year, we included a screening component, though Gifts for Winona did not
set standards.  In terms of stewardship, when people asked we wanted to be able
to say that everyone whose data was included in the program was in need. Again,
it sounds distinctly un-Christian, but it also is realistic.  We are in the
world, though not of the world.

We have a poorly functioning directory now or, rather, a directory that is
exhaustive of people resources.  When people ask for help, someone puts the
request on the server and people chime in with suggestions, referrals, etc.  The
goal, I think, is to have all of this information available on a web site, thus
addressing the first question - where do I go for help.

The problems arise when there is no place to go for help, when the particular
service or commodity is not offered, or it normally is offered but not
currently, such as the size 13 boots that could not be found at WVS.  Because
our directory is as yet not functional and because of the limimtations of the
support system in town, we put poor people through a dehumanizing process of
making call after call and following referral after referral to get help.  It
shouldn't be like that, we should not require people to go through that kind of
process to get what they need.

In Louisiana, I directed an agency similar to WVS that was the major referral
point for churches and a lot of other organizatoins in town.  We had the
directory (it wasn't electronic, but it worked), and we had some resources. 
Lafayette was a heavily Catholic community - we had nearly two dozen parishes in
the metro area - and many of the parishes did not have staff to do a good job of
helping the poor.  The parishes sent us funds every month, and told us to use
the money to help the poor.  They then referred people who called them asking
for help to us, and we tapped into everything that the community had to offer. 
We also were able to develop a level of "professionalism" that enabled the staff
to help people beyond their immediate need.

That takes me to the point that Scott and Jim made about New Focus.  Yes, I
think that New Focus will serve as a major clearinghouse for people who need
help to get by.  And, what will the New Focus volunteer do with a request for
help?  Without the electronic directory, probably tell them to go to Rick's
office.  Even with the electronic directory, what will the person do when, upon
returning to the volunteer after exhausting all of the directory resources,
still is in need?  Probably go to Rick's office.

I jest a bit at Rick's expense, but I hope you see the problem.  The directory
will assemble information about resources, but it won't create resources.  It
will tell us about the pies that are available, but it won't create any more
pies.  There are, then, two issues.  The mechanical issue of providing
information can be solved, as Jim points out.  The second issue focuses on the
baking of more pies.  As a faith community, what can we do to assure that people
who need help can get it?

No one wants to hear it, but the answer is money.  If the person in need of Size
13 boots did not find any at WVS, he essentially was out of luck, and forced to
go door to door to get funds to buy boots.  Suppose, instead, that the churches
in town supplied a fund from which WVS staff could provide the resources to go
buy the boots?  First, would WVS be willing to do this?  Second, what would WVS
charge us to do it, after all, it does represent an investment of more staff
time?  Third, are the churches in town willing to change thenature of their
participation in the helping business by turning the enterprise over to the
"professionals" and providing the wherewithal?   Finally, and most important, is
this the best way to help our neighbors in need?

I look forward to a continuation of the conversation and the search for a
solution.


Justin



On Monday, January 05, 2004 12:03 PM, Jim Allaire wrote:
>
>Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:03:26 -0600
>From: Jim Allaire
>To: "Poverty Roundtable" <PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Meeting urgent requests for material aid
>
>Hello PRT,
>
>Shortly after Christmas both Justin Green and Rick King wrote emails
>raising questions about having a system for meeting requests for direct
>material aid.
>
>Justin's email of 12/28/03 expressed the concern that it feels like
>requests seem to "reinvent the wheel every time." He sums up his view by
>saying "Maybe addressing the question of direct need and trying to
>devise a more effective and efficient way to work with Winona Volunteer
>services and other agencies already in the field could be next on our
>agenda."
>
>Rick King's email of 12/29/03 suggested that we could use a website for
>matching emergency needs with material aid and tracking with some level
>of anonymity. He imagines an at-a-glance and real-time report with dates
>and services provided for each person served. He sees this data password
>protected. Rick wonders if the existing WinonaShares.org website could
>be used. He says directly, "Jim Allaire and the website team, this is a
>question for your group, I guess."  (The website group will address this
>when we meet later this week or early next week.)
>
>Both Justin and Rick raise very good points and a whole host of
>questions, religious, moral, and technical.
>
>Starting with the last point, the technical, it is quite easy to do.
>
>From a moral/ethical viewpoint I wonder about having a database that is,
>in effect, secret. Think for a moment about all the controversy over
>sexual offender lists. There are data privacy concerns for me. There
>would have to be signed releases, etc. My social service experience is
>in mental health services where there are clear laws about sharing
>information. Most mandatory databases are around criminal behavior, or
>more recently, terrorism. Being poor is neither criminal or terroristic.
>Even commercial databases are often opt-in and voluntary.
>
>The religious issues involved are complex. I know from talking to
>pastors and many discussions within the Catholic Worker community that
>nobody wants to feel they are being used and that some folks will abuse
>Christian charity. Jesus was disappointed that only one leper returned
>to give thanks. Did he stop healings after that? I doubt it. The brother
>of the prodigal son was bitter at his father's generosity. And the rain
>falls on both the good and bad farmer's fields. Yet St. Paul will say
>that if you don't work you can't eat.
>
>Dorothy Day, who co-founded the Catholic Worker Movement with Peter
>Maurin in 1933, often decried the distinction of the so called worthy
>and unworthy poor that government thinking makes. She also berated
>herself for holding on to wanting gratitude expressed for serving the
>poor.
>
>One maxim of Peter Maurin's was that we should build a society where it
>is "easier for people to be good." In our context, can we find a way
>(policy, structure) for people to get what they need and not have to use
>deceit in the process?
>
>Having said all this, here are some additional personal thoughts. The
>needs we are talking about are for urgent needs, needs that are pivotal
>for someone right now. (These are distinguished from true health or
>safety emergencies--vital needs.) If this or that, then this or that can
>happen for a person. For example, safety shoes for a job, transportation
>for an appointment, a rent deposit, etc. Most often cash is the answer
>when agencies are closed on weekends or it is hard to know where the
>specific need can be met.
>
>I look forward to the dialogue around these issues.
>
>Peace,
>Jim Allaire
>jallaire@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Allaire [mailto:jallaire@...]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:03 PM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Meeting urgent requests for material aid

Hello PRT,

 

Shortly after Christmas both Justin Green and Rick King wrote emails raising questions about having a system for meeting requests for direct material aid.

 

Justin's email of 12/28/03 expressed the concern that it feels like requests seem to "reinvent the wheel every time." He sums up his view by saying "Maybe addressing the question of direct need and trying to devise a more effective and efficient way to work with Winona Volunteer services and other agencies already in the field could be next on our agenda."

 

Rick King's email of 12/29/03 suggested that we could use a website for matching emergency needs with material aid and tracking with some level of anonymity. He imagines an at-a-glance and real-time report with dates and services provided for each person served. He sees this data password  protected. Rick wonders if the existing WinonaShares.org website could be used. He says directly, "Jim Allaire and the website team, this is a question for your group, I guess."  (The website group will address this when we meet later this week or early next week.)

 

Both Justin and Rick raise very good points and a whole host of questions, religious, moral, and technical.

 

Starting with the last point, the technical, it is quite easy to do.

 

From a moral/ethical viewpoint I wonder about having a database that is, in effect, secret. Think for a moment about all the controversy over sexual offender lists. There are data privacy concerns for me. There would have to be signed releases, etc. My social service experience is in mental health services where there are clear laws about sharing information. Most mandatory databases are around criminal behavior, or more recently, terrorism. Being poor is neither criminal or terroristic. Even commercial databases are often opt-in and voluntary.

 

The religious issues involved are complex. I know from talking to pastors and many discussions within the Catholic Worker community that nobody wants to feel they are being used and that some folks will abuse Christian charity. Jesus was disappointed that only one leper returned to give thanks. Did he stop healings after that? I doubt it. The brother of the prodigal son was bitter at his father's generosity. And the rain falls on both the good and bad farmer's fields. Yet St. Paul will say that if you don't work you can't eat.

 

Dorothy Day, who co-founded the Catholic Worker Movement with Peter Maurin in 1933, often decried the distinction of the so called worthy and unworthy poor that government thinking makes. She also berated herself for holding on to wanting gratitude expressed for serving the poor.

 

One maxim of Peter Maurin's was that we should build a society where it is "easier for people to be good." In our context, can we find a way (policy, structure) for people to get what they need and not have to use deceit in the process?

 

Having said all this, here are some additional personal thoughts. The needs we are talking about are for urgent needs, needs that are pivotal for someone right now. (These are distinguished from true health or safety emergencies--vital needs.) If this or that, then this or that can happen for a person. For example, safety shoes for a job, transportation for an appointment, a rent deposit, etc. Most often cash is the answer when agencies are closed on weekends or it is hard to know where the specific need can be met.

 

I look forward to the dialogue around these issues.

 

Peace,

Jim Allaire

jallaire@...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Poverty Round Table,

I also share Justin's concern, among others.  However, my understanding of
New Focus is that it would not only provide mentoring services (addressing
chronic situations) but also be a screening agency of sorts for emergency
services (addressing acute situations) so that area pastors would not have
to do any of the assessments that currently bog us down.  At least that is
what I heard during the presentation given by the Director of the New Focus
agency from Mankato.  If this is the case, this seems to be the simplest
solution for assessing and directing the needs of people in the Winona area.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:43 AM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots

Thanks, Justin, for noting the "big picture" concern.
The listserver through Yahoogroups, as with the former one through
gaps@..., works well for what it was designed to do--provide a single
e-mail address through which we can post needs and receive responses from
those on the list.
You're right, however: we are reinventing the wheel each time.
I'd like to go back to the original idea we had of using a website to maybe
do this a little more systematically, matching emergency needs with material
aid, and tracking what's been provided(with whatever level of anonymity is
needed for the various providers involved).
I'm no expert on how to assemble an at-a-glance, real-time report, with
dates and services/goods provided, for each person served, but shouldn't it
theoretically be possible to do so, and have such reports be accessible by
password?
And couldn't we do it through the Free Store website already up and running?
Jim Allaire and the website team, this is a question for your group, I
guess.
Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Green [mailto:jgreen@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:42 PM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots



Sisters and brothers,

I have watched this kind of conversation several times over the past several
months.  I am cheered that we are in communication with each other and that,
together, the community comes together to help our neighbors in need. I am
disappointed, however, that we must reinvent the wheel every time.  Whether
the request is for a car, help with an apartment deposit, utility funds,
boots or whatever, we start all over again.  There must be a better way.  To
date, the Roundtable has addressed the issue of hot meals, and found at
least a partial solution at the Catholic Worker house.  New Focus will
launch, probably in January, thus meeting our goal of establishing a
mentoring program to involve the faith community in a longer term effort to
fight poverty.  Maybe addressing the question of direct need and trying to
devise a more effective and efficient way to work with Winona Volunteer
Services and other agencies already in the field could be next on our
agenda.

I invite your thoughts as the opening of a conversation on the topic.


Justin Green

On Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:20 PM, cumc@... wrote:
>
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:20:08 CST
>From: cumc@...
>To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>
>He stopped at Central UMC on Tuesday wanting a back pack and said he was
>headed to Missouri.  I have no funds to help so he went on his way.  Mary
>Hurmence
>
>On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:10:28 -0600 "Rick King" wrote:
>
>> Mark Beechner got some inexpensive boots, but they're not going to
>> last very
>> long.  Thanks everyone for helping out.  He was here Sunday morning for
>> coffee, and I think sat in on our service and listened from our
fellowship
>> room on the speakers.  2 years since his wife and daughter were
>> killed, and
>> he's feeling pretty low.  I know that when I talked to him on Sunday,
>> he was
>> no longer staying at Bethany House and said he was camping.
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sandra Burke [mailto:sbwvs@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:41 PM
>> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: 'Home'
>> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>>
>>
>> I offered him a bus ticket and a way to transport his bike but he
declined
>> the offer. He also looked for boots here but nothing in his size.
>>
>> sandra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Dumke [mailto:mdumke@...]
>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:39 AM
>> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: Home
>> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>>
>> I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
>> To: Poverty Roundtable
>> Cc: Home
>> Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>> Importance: High
>>
>>
>> A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
>> House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
>> brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
>> riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
>> If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
>> above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Rev Rick King
>> First Congregational Church
>> 161 West Broadway
>> Winona Mn  55987
>> Phone: 507-452-4829
>> Fax:  507-457-0238
>> E-mail: revrick@...
>>
>>
>>
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Thanks, Justin, for noting the "big picture" concern.
The listserver through Yahoogroups, as with the former one through
gaps@..., works well for what it was designed to do--provide a single
e-mail address through which we can post needs and receive responses from
those on the list.
You're right, however: we are reinventing the wheel each time.
I'd like to go back to the original idea we had of using a website to maybe
do this a little more systematically, matching emergency needs with material
aid, and tracking what's been provided(with whatever level of anonymity is
needed for the various providers involved).
I'm no expert on how to assemble an at-a-glance, real-time report, with
dates and services/goods provided, for each person served, but shouldn't it
theoretically be possible to do so, and have such reports be accessible by
password?
And couldn't we do it through the Free Store website already up and running?
Jim Allaire and the website team, this is a question for your group, I
guess.
Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Green [mailto:jgreen@...]
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:42 PM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots



Sisters and brothers,

I have watched this kind of conversation several times over the past several
months.  I am cheered that we are in communication with each other and that,
together, the community comes together to help our neighbors in need. I am
disappointed, however, that we must reinvent the wheel every time.  Whether
the request is for a car, help with an apartment deposit, utility funds,
boots or whatever, we start all over again.  There must be a better way.  To
date, the Roundtable has addressed the issue of hot meals, and found at
least a partial solution at the Catholic Worker house.  New Focus will
launch, probably in January, thus meeting our goal of establishing a
mentoring program to involve the faith community in a longer term effort to
fight poverty.  Maybe addressing the question of direct need and trying to
devise a more effective and efficient way to work with Winona Volunteer
Services and other agencies already in the field could be next on our
agenda.

I invite your thoughts as the opening of a conversation on the topic.


Justin Green

On Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:20 PM, cumc@... wrote:
>
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:20:08 CST
>From: cumc@...
>To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>
>He stopped at Central UMC on Tuesday wanting a back pack and said he was
>headed to Missouri.  I have no funds to help so he went on his way.  Mary
>Hurmence
>
>On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:10:28 -0600 "Rick King" wrote:
>
>> Mark Beechner got some inexpensive boots, but they're not going to
>> last very
>> long.  Thanks everyone for helping out.  He was here Sunday morning for
>> coffee, and I think sat in on our service and listened from our
fellowship
>> room on the speakers.  2 years since his wife and daughter were
>> killed, and
>> he's feeling pretty low.  I know that when I talked to him on Sunday,
>> he was
>> no longer staying at Bethany House and said he was camping.
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sandra Burke [mailto:sbwvs@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:41 PM
>> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: 'Home'
>> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>>
>>
>> I offered him a bus ticket and a way to transport his bike but he
declined
>> the offer. He also looked for boots here but nothing in his size.
>>
>> sandra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Dumke [mailto:mdumke@...]
>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:39 AM
>> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: Home
>> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>>
>> I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
>> To: Poverty Roundtable
>> Cc: Home
>> Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>> Importance: High
>>
>>
>> A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
>> House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
>> brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
>> riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
>> If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
>> above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Rev Rick King
>> First Congregational Church
>> 161 West Broadway
>> Winona Mn  55987
>> Phone: 507-452-4829
>> Fax:  507-457-0238
>> E-mail: revrick@...
>>
>>
>>
>> For more information: http://www.winonashares.org/
>> Post message: mailto:PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>> Subscribe:  mailto:PovertyRndTable-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>>
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>>
>>
>> "If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by
our
>> institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PovertyRndTable/
>>
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>>
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>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PovertyRndTable/
>>
>>
>> "If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by
our
>> institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PovertyRndTable/
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>>
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>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PovertyRndTable/
>>
>>
>> "If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by
our
>> institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PovertyRndTable/
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>  PovertyRndTable-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>>
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>>
>>
>> "If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but
>> by our institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin
>>
>>
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>>
>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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Sisters and brothers,

I have watched this kind of conversation several times over the past several
months.  I am cheered that we are in communication with each other and that,
together, the community comes together to help our neighbors in need. I am
disappointed, however, that we must reinvent the wheel every time.  Whether the
request is for a car, help with an apartment deposit, utility funds, boots or
whatever, we start all over again.  There must be a better way.  To date, the
Roundtable has addressed the issue of hot meals, and found at least a partial
solution at the Catholic Worker house.  New Focus will launch, probably in
January, thus meeting our goal of establishing a mentoring program to involve
the faith community in a longer term effort to fight poverty.  Maybe addressing
the question of direct need and trying to devise a more effective and efficient
way to work with Winona Volunteer Services and other agencies already in the
field could be next on our agenda.

I invite your thoughts as the opening of a conversation on the topic.


Justin Green

On Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:20 PM, cumc@... wrote:
>
>Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:20:08 CST
>From: cumc@...
>To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>
>He stopped at Central UMC on Tuesday wanting a back pack and said he was
>headed to Missouri.  I have no funds to help so he went on his way.  Mary
>Hurmence
>
>On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:10:28 -0600 "Rick King" wrote:
>
>> Mark Beechner got some inexpensive boots, but they're not going to
>> last very
>> long.  Thanks everyone for helping out.  He was here Sunday morning for
>> coffee, and I think sat in on our service and listened from our fellowship
>> room on the speakers.  2 years since his wife and daughter were
>> killed, and
>> he's feeling pretty low.  I know that when I talked to him on Sunday,
>> he was
>> no longer staying at Bethany House and said he was camping.
>> Rick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sandra Burke [mailto:sbwvs@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:41 PM
>> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: 'Home'
>> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>>
>>
>> I offered him a bus ticket and a way to transport his bike but he declined
>> the offer. He also looked for boots here but nothing in his size.
>>
>> sandra
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Dumke [mailto:mdumke@...]
>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:39 AM
>> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: Home
>> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>>
>> I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
>> To: Poverty Roundtable
>> Cc: Home
>> Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>> Importance: High
>>
>>
>> A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
>> House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
>> brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
>> riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
>> If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
>> above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Rev Rick King
>> First Congregational Church
>> 161 West Broadway
>> Winona Mn  55987
>> Phone: 507-452-4829
>> Fax:  507-457-0238
>> E-mail: revrick@...
>>
>>
>>
>> For more information: http://www.winonashares.org/
>> Post message: mailto:PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
>> Subscribe:  mailto:PovertyRndTable-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> Unsubscribe:  mailto:PovertyRndTable-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PovertyRndTable/
>>
>>
>> "If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our
>> institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PovertyRndTable/
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>>
>>
>> "If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our
>> institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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>> "If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our
>> institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin
>>
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>>
>> "If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but
>> by our institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin
>>
>>
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>>
>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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Thanks, Mary, for the info.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: cumc@... [mailto:cumc@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 12:20 PM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots


He stopped at Central UMC on Tuesday wanting a back pack and said he was
headed to Missouri.  I have no funds to help so he went on his way.  Mary
Hurmence

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:10:28 -0600 "Rick King" wrote:

> Mark Beechner got some inexpensive boots, but they're not going to
> last very
> long.  Thanks everyone for helping out.  He was here Sunday morning for
> coffee, and I think sat in on our service and listened from our fellowship
> room on the speakers.  2 years since his wife and daughter were
> killed, and
> he's feeling pretty low.  I know that when I talked to him on Sunday,
> he was
> no longer staying at Bethany House and said he was camping.
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandra Burke [mailto:sbwvs@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:41 PM
> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 'Home'
> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>
>
> I offered him a bus ticket and a way to transport his bike but he declined
> the offer. He also looked for boots here but nothing in his size.
>
> sandra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Dumke [mailto:mdumke@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:39 AM
> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Home
> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>
> I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
> To: Poverty Roundtable
> Cc: Home
> Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
> Importance: High
>
>
> A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
> House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
> brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
> riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
> If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
> above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
> Thanks!
>
> Rev Rick King
> First Congregational Church
> 161 West Broadway
> Winona Mn  55987
> Phone: 507-452-4829
> Fax:  507-457-0238
> E-mail: revrick@...
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He stopped at Central UMC on Tuesday wanting a back pack and said he was
headed to Missouri.  I have no funds to help so he went on his way.  Mary
Hurmence

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:10:28 -0600 "Rick King" wrote:

> Mark Beechner got some inexpensive boots, but they're not going to
> last very
> long.  Thanks everyone for helping out.  He was here Sunday morning for
> coffee, and I think sat in on our service and listened from our fellowship
> room on the speakers.  2 years since his wife and daughter were
> killed, and
> he's feeling pretty low.  I know that when I talked to him on Sunday,
> he was
> no longer staying at Bethany House and said he was camping.
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandra Burke [mailto:sbwvs@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:41 PM
> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: 'Home'
> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>
>
> I offered him a bus ticket and a way to transport his bike but he declined
> the offer. He also looked for boots here but nothing in his size.
>
> sandra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Dumke [mailto:mdumke@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:39 AM
> To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Home
> Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
>
> I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
> To: Poverty Roundtable
> Cc: Home
> Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
> Importance: High
>
>
> A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
> House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
> brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
> riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
> If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
> above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
> Thanks!
>
> Rev Rick King
> First Congregational Church
> 161 West Broadway
> Winona Mn  55987
> Phone: 507-452-4829
> Fax:  507-457-0238
> E-mail: revrick@...
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:10 AM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots


Mark Beechner got some inexpensive boots, but they're not going to last very
long.  Thanks everyone for helping out.  He was here Sunday morning for
coffee, and I think sat in on our service and listened from our fellowship
room on the speakers.  2 years since his wife and daughter were killed, and
he's feeling pretty low.  I know that when I talked to him on Sunday, he was
no longer staying at Bethany House and said he was camping. Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Burke [mailto:sbwvs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:41 PM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Cc: 'Home'
Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots


I offered him a bus ticket and a way to transport his bike but he declined
the offer. He also looked for boots here but nothing in his size.

sandra

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dumke [mailto:mdumke@...]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:39 AM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Home
Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots

I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Cc: Home
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
Importance: High


A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet. If you
have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work - above, and
home - kingecky@...). ASAP! Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...



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Mark Beechner got some inexpensive boots, but they're not going to last very
long.  Thanks everyone for helping out.  He was here Sunday morning for
coffee, and I think sat in on our service and listened from our fellowship
room on the speakers.  2 years since his wife and daughter were killed, and
he's feeling pretty low.  I know that when I talked to him on Sunday, he was
no longer staying at Bethany House and said he was camping.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Burke [mailto:sbwvs@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:41 PM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Cc: 'Home'
Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots


I offered him a bus ticket and a way to transport his bike but he declined
the offer. He also looked for boots here but nothing in his size.

sandra

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dumke [mailto:mdumke@...]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:39 AM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Home
Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots

I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Cc: Home
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
Importance: High


A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...



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I offered him a bus ticket and a way to transport his bike but he declined
the offer. He also looked for boots here but nothing in his size.

sandra

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Dumke [mailto:mdumke@...]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:39 AM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Home
Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots

I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Cc: Home
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
Importance: High


A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...



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Rick,
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I gave him $25 on Thursday afternoon

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:08 AM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Cc: Home
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Man in need of Size 13-wide boots
Importance: High


A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...



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A man named Mark stopped by this morning, who has been staying at Bethany
House while in town, on his way from his old home in Montana to his
brother's house east of here.  His old boots have holes in them and he's
riding his bike (!) from MT to brother's house, and his feet are wet.
If you have any information, please email me at BOTH addresses (work -
above, and home - kingecky@...). ASAP!
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...

I met with a family today who is looking to get out of Thurley Homes and
into an apartment or house to rent (or trailer) to have a better environment
for their children.
The man has a full-time job and is willing to work extra to provide for
rent.  He has experience in carpentry and handyman-type repairs, and they
are willing to look at a way to provide their family with a good living
situation.
If you have any information that would help me help them, please contact me
this week.
There is some urgency to this, in that they're facing eviction from the
Homes in the next week or so.
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...

We are in dire need of a snow shoveler at the WRC!  We would have to pay
with a check every week, but we are certainly willing to pay for the
job.  Please contact me at 452-4440 if he's still available.  Thanks,
Diana Miller




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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Snow shoveling service for cash for homeless
man

Hi!
I'm emailing you about one Thomas Davis, a disabled fisherman who's been
up
in Moorhead for about 2-3 years, disabled by head injury 2 years ago,
staying at Bethany House, who's willing to shovel snow for some cash,
and is
looking for places that would be willing to pay him to do same.
If you have any need, please let me know.
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...




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Thanks.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Burke [mailto:sbwvs@...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:28 AM
To: PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PovertyRndTable] First Month's Deposit needed on apt.


Rick,
SEMCAC may have money to help with her rent as long as she has not had help
from them in the past.  Call Peggy at 452.8396 and see if they have funds to
assist her.

sandra


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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:26 PM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] First Month's Deposit needed on apt.
Importance: High

I'm writing on behalf of a woman who needs to come up with her deposit (1
mo. rent, $480) her new apartment (Pastor Keith Carpenter from Pleasant
Valley Church, landlord) this week, because she has to be out of her home in
Thurley Homes by Monday.
If you can help, please reply to this email, or if you want to call and
discuss this further with me by phone, please call the church number below.
I will be in early a.m. tomorrow, Wed., but reachable by cell phone the rest
of tomorrow.
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...




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Rick,
SEMCAC may have money to help with her rent as long as she has not had help
from them in the past.  Call Peggy at 452.8396 and see if they have funds to
assist her.

sandra


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:26 PM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] First Month's Deposit needed on apt.
Importance: High

I'm writing on behalf of a woman who needs to come up with her deposit (1
mo. rent, $480) her new apartment (Pastor Keith Carpenter from Pleasant
Valley Church, landlord) this week, because she has to be out of her home in
Thurley Homes by Monday.
If you can help, please reply to this email, or if you want to call and
discuss this further with me by phone, please call the church number below.
I will be in early a.m. tomorrow, Wed., but reachable by cell phone the rest
of tomorrow.
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...




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How long is he staying at Bethany House?  Our custodian could use some help
with show shoveling...can this person operate a snow blower?  He would need
to come here before our 7 am Mass or he could be helping right now on the
sidewalks.  Thanks.  Ruth Korder, Cathedral
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick King" <Revrick@...>
To: "Poverty Roundtable" <PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Snow shoveling service for cash for homeless man


> Hi!
> I'm emailing you about one Thomas Davis, a disabled fisherman who's been
up
> in Moorhead for about 2-3 years, disabled by head injury 2 years ago,
> staying at Bethany House, who's willing to shovel snow for some cash, and
is
> looking for places that would be willing to pay him to do same.
> If you have any need, please let me know.
> Thanks!
>
> Rev Rick King
> First Congregational Church
> 161 West Broadway
> Winona Mn  55987
> Phone: 507-452-4829
> Fax:  507-457-0238
> E-mail: revrick@...
>
>
>
>
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She can apply for assistance from the county if she has not received similar
assistance within the last year or 18 months.  SEMCAC also may be able to
help.  She would have to demonstrate that this assistance will resolve her
problem for the foreseeable future, e.g. she has enough income to meet her
ongoing housing expenses.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] First Month's Deposit needed on apt.


> I'm writing on behalf of a woman who needs to come up with her deposit (1
> mo. rent, $480) her new apartment (Pastor Keith Carpenter from Pleasant
> Valley Church, landlord) this week, because she has to be out of her home
in
> Thurley Homes by Monday.
> If you can help, please reply to this email, or if you want to call and
> discuss this further with me by phone, please call the church number
below.
> I will be in early a.m. tomorrow, Wed., but reachable by cell phone the
rest
> of tomorrow.
> Thanks!
>
> Rev Rick King
> First Congregational Church
> 161 West Broadway
> Winona Mn  55987
> Phone: 507-452-4829
> Fax:  507-457-0238
> E-mail: revrick@...
>
>
>
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She could call 457-6200 and see about Emergency Assistance eligibility --
maybe come in to make an application.  She'd have to do that herself or come
with someone who was helping her.  For someone else to talk about her with
the local Human Service office would require a Release of Information to be
signed by her.
Craig Brooks

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:26 PM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] First Month's Deposit needed on apt.
Importance: High


I'm writing on behalf of a woman who needs to come up with her deposit (1
mo. rent, $480) her new apartment (Pastor Keith Carpenter from Pleasant
Valley Church, landlord) this week, because she has to be out of her home in
Thurley Homes by Monday.
If you can help, please reply to this email, or if you want to call and
discuss this further with me by phone, please call the church number below.
I will be in early a.m. tomorrow, Wed., but reachable by cell phone the rest
of tomorrow.
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...




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I'm writing on behalf of a woman who needs to come up with her deposit (1
mo. rent, $480) her new apartment (Pastor Keith Carpenter from Pleasant
Valley Church, landlord) this week, because she has to be out of her home in
Thurley Homes by Monday.
If you can help, please reply to this email, or if you want to call and
discuss this further with me by phone, please call the church number below.
I will be in early a.m. tomorrow, Wed., but reachable by cell phone the rest
of tomorrow.
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...

Rev. Rick
Minn. has programs this man may be able to take advantage of.  Medical
Assistance, Minnesota Supplemental Aid and the Traumatic Brain Injury
program are the main ones (accessed via the County).  The Social Security
office might be contacted if he isn't receiving SS benefits, and if not
eligible, maybe SSI benefits.  Talking with WORC might be beneficial and the
Vocational Counselors with The Division of Rehab. Services -- out at the
Workforce Center housed in the SE Minn.. Voc. College.
Craig Brooks

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick King [mailto:Revrick@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 12:07 PM
To: Poverty Roundtable
Subject: [PovertyRndTable] Snow shoveling service for cash for homeless
man


Hi!
I'm emailing you about one Thomas xx, a disabled fisherman who's been up
in Moorhead for about 2-3 years, disabled by head injury 2 years ago,
staying at Bethany House, who's willing to shovel snow for some cash, and is
looking for places that would be willing to pay him to do same.
If you have any need, please let me know.
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...

Hi!
I'm emailing you about one Thomas Davis, a disabled fisherman who's been up
in Moorhead for about 2-3 years, disabled by head injury 2 years ago,
staying at Bethany House, who's willing to shovel snow for some cash, and is
looking for places that would be willing to pay him to do same.
If you have any need, please let me know.
Thanks!

Rev Rick King
First Congregational Church
161 West Broadway
Winona Mn  55987
Phone: 507-452-4829
Fax:  507-457-0238
E-mail: revrick@...

Greetings, all.  Click on the link below to see the recent edition of the
Winona Catholic Worker newsletter.  If you're not receiving the newsletter
by mail, let us know and we can add your name to the list.  We could truly
use all the help we can get, so check out the "House Needs List" as you're
reading!  Whatever you can contribute, whether it's money, time, a meal or
whatever, will be much appreciated.

www.catholicworker.org/winona/ and go to "Newsletter for December 2003.

Peace,
Suzanne Belongia

The switch to the Yahoo Groups for our email sharing can now be considered
complete.  By way of this note I am telling Steve Kranz he can turn off the
old one as of the end of this week.
This one will work just as the old one did for you with the exception of
getting an ad at the end of each message from the group.  This is the price
for a FREE service.

We encourage you to set up this new email address

PovertyRndTable@yahoogroups.com

in your personal address book within your email program.  You do this just
like you do to add an individual's email address.
With some email programs you can just right click on the address in the From
field and pick the choice for Add to Address Book, give it a name and it
will be there for future use.

The purposes of this group hasn't changed and it is not defined anyway.  We
have shared information on up coming meetings and events, shared information
on material, articles, etc. of interest and put out questions to the group
on what might be available to help those you find in need.  Don't change how
you've used it -- in fact, be creative and try out using it for whatever you
think makes sense.
Only one request so far -- please sign (put your name in) the end of your
message.

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"If the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our
institutions, great is our sin." -Charles Darwin