Why Does Jesus Allow People to Suffer In The World He Created?

By L. Tyler, P.O.Box 620763, San Diego, CA 92162-0763

JESUS HAS ALLOWED US TO SUFFER, BE GRIEVED, BE HURT, BE WOUNDED - -

+++1. So that we can know that we belong to Christ. If the world hated Him, it
will hate us too----if we live like He wants us to live.
***[2 Tim 3:11 . . . What persecutions I endured! But the Lord delivered me out
of all. 12 Yea, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer
persecution.; 1 Pet. 2: 19 For this [is an undeserved gift of loving kindness] ,
if for conscience [toward] God anyone endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20
For what glory [is it] if you patiently endure [while] sinning and being
buffeted? But if you suffer [while] doing good, and patiently endure, this [is
an undeserved gift of loving kindness] from God. 21 For were you not called to
this? For Christ also suffered on our behalf, leaving us an example, that you
should follow His steps,;
***Mat. 13: 20 But that which was sown on the stony places is this: he who hears
the Word and immediately receives it with joy. 21 But he has no root in himself,
and is temporary. For when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the
word, he immediately stumbles. 22 And that sown into the thorns is this: he who
hears the word; and the anxiety of this world, and the deceit of riches, choke
the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But that sown on the good ground is
this: "he who hears the Word and understands; who also bears fruit and produces"
one truly a hundredfold; and one sixty; and one thirty.]


+++ 2. Because we are followers of Christ, who was tortured and executed by the
world. If they did it to Him, they'll surely do it to us too. All but one of the
apostles were martyred.
***[John 15: 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But
because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world,
therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, The
servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted Me, they will
also persecute you. If they have kept My saying, they will also keep yours. 21
But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not
know Him who sent Me.

+++3. So that evil doers will not come to God just to escape from Hell and
suffering in this life. He wants sinners to come to Him because they love Him
who first loved them, not because they forgot to join the Noah's Ark Club and
don't want to drown. The promise that all who live godly in Christ Jesus is
often enough to scare away the superficial and shallow pretenders. He allows
evil to happen to His own children, to separate the wheat from the chaff and so
that we may find out if our faith is real, or just froth. Noah's flood Genesis 6
+ Rev. 21:27
***[Mat. 13: 20 But that which was sown on the stony places is this: he who
hears the Word and immediately receives it with joy. 21 But he has no root in
himself, and is temporary. For when tribulation or persecution arises on account
of the word, he immediately stumbles.
***1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time. And just as you have heard
that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have risen up, from which
we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of
us; for if they were of us, they would have continued with us. But [they went
out] so that it might be revealed that they were not all of us.]


THE OTHER 19 REASONS SHOULD FOLLOW LATER, IN THE MEANTIME- - - -

If Jesus really compassionately and kindly loves me, why does He let me suffer
so?
Why does Jesus let me suffer interracially/interethnically?
Why did Jesus let me suffer so much loss/grief?
I've prayed so why am I still suffering?
Why did Jesus let me get my STD?
Why did He let them imprison me and what am I supposed to do here?
Why did Jesus let them separate me from my family, leaving them to suffer alone?

----A LETTER TO A FRIEND.
COPYRIGHT © JANUARY 14, 1996; Revised 10/10/08
By L. Tyler, P.O.Box 620763, San Diego, CA 92162-0763
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Dear Friend,

In the last two thirds of this document I list 22 reasons the Bible gives for
the suffering experienced in this world. But before we get to them, we must deal
with the One we feel is responsible for the suffering in this world. The God
who the Most High God in our universe characterizes Himself as Father and Love,
the Love described in 1 Cor 13. That means the One who has allowed your
suffering, the suffering you are concerned about, the One who controls the
extent of the suffering, is One who is characterized by longsuffering, patience,
kindness; who is free of envy, evil jealousy, vain boasting, vainglory,
haughtiness, conceit, evil pride, rudeness, and selfishness. He is not touchy
or fretful or resentful; does not rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but
rejoices when right and truth prevail, and bears up under anything and
everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, hopes
under all circumstances, endures everything [without weakening], and never fails
[never fades out or becomes obsolete or comes to an end]. He has promised that
He will work all things together for the good of those who obediently love Him
and are called according to [His] design and purpose. Any suffering He allows
His children to endure is under His control for the good of His Children.

According to Eph. 1:11 everything is under His control because He works
EVERYTHING according to His own will. The world is never out of control. Even
though Satan is allowed to be ruler of this world, and he and his demonic angels
work and will in people to do the evil they want to do, the book of Job shows us
that Satan can't do anything to God's people without God's permission. You may
ask, "Why does Jesus let Satan do evil things and work in people to do evil?"
How would you feel if your mom said not to taste the desert she just made, and
you tried to disobey her but everytime you tried you couldn't move?

How would you feel if your buddy hit you too hard, and every time you tried to
hit her back, you froze? How would you feel if some little kid cussed you out,
trash talked you and ridiculed you in public in front of your best friends, and
ever time you tried to say something hard back or do something to the kid you
froze? How would you feel if someone you thought was your friend ruined your
best coat and then stole money out of your wallet, thinking you wouldn't see,
and you tried to get even but when you tried to do something to your buddy, you
became paralyzed?

You wouldn't like that kind of world, where you couldn't do the bad things you
want to do. You would feel like a prisoner, or like you were tied up. Jesus
made this world so you could choose to not do His will, and choose to do the bad
things you want to do, or if you wanted to, you could choose to obey Jesus
because you Love Him. This world is made so that you can choose between doing
the good and doing the evil, because He doesn't want robots or slaves. He wants
people to choose Him because they Love Him. In the meantime, dads will choose to
do evil to their daughters, Hitler chose to have killed 20 million people,
Stalin chose to have killed 30 million and Mao chose to have killed over 50
million. American mothers have chosen to kill by abortion over 40 million
babies since 1960. The beauty is that He has promised that every human being
who comes into the world will be enlightened by Jesus before they die (Jn 1:9),
even if they haven't been born yet. So everyone has a chance to choose Jesus
before they die. He gives us all the opportunity to choose (John 16:7-11).

Dear friend, please remember the point about 1 Cor. 10:13*, He doesn't allow
you to be tried more than you can bear, because you are stronger, have a better
understanding of spiritual warfare and a deeper faith, the trials will be
greater--but never more than you can bear. Consider the trials of John the
Baptist and all the apostles except John. They all died violent deaths at the
hands of those who hate them, but never more than they could bear. The death of
their bodies was their escape, to keep them from what they couldn't bear.
[1 Cor. 10: 12 So let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. 13 No
temptation/trial/test has taken you but [what is] common to man; but God [is]
faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted/tried/tested above what you are
able, but with the temptation/trial/test also will make a way to escape, so that
you may be able to bear [it].]

Okay we have that promise about how much suffering we will be allowed to
experience, but what about death? It is a real comfort that we are so much more
than our bodies, that we are just tabernacling in them temporarily, and even
though the body dies, those in Christ NEVER DIE, but have consciousness,
existence and functional activity that lasts/exists forever and without end.
Christians in a coma still have eternal life in their spirit and soul, and Jesus
is still interacting with them. That's why I believe in playing Christian radio
and music for Christian people in comas, and why I believe it is important to
read/play scripture for people in comas. The following are a real comfort. For
the Christian, dying is just like fainting, except that when you return to
consciousness you are in a different place. Lazarus' experience has been
confirmed numerous times by eye witnesses, like the Auca indian experience
portrayed in the movie "End of the Spear" where the Aucas saw Lazarus'
experience take place before their eyes, the souls of those they murdered
leaving their bodies and being taken up and away by"shining beings".
***Luke 16: 20 And at his gate there was dropped down and left a certain utterly
destitute man named Lazarus, covered with ulcerated sores. 21 He desired to be
satisfied with what fell from the rich man's table; moreover, the dogs even came
and licked his sores. 22 And it occurred that the begging man died and was
carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.

We are more than our bodies. Our bodies are the places where we tabernacle
temporarily (John 1:14; 2:21). We are body, soul, spirit and we are indwelt by
the Holy Spirit (1Thess 5:23; 1 Cor 6:19). Jesus knows our bodies will die, so
when He said "Everyone who lives and believes in Me WILL NEVER DIE" He indicated
that we are souls and spirit temporarily living in bodies.
We in Christ who will never die live in bodies that die.
***John 3: 36 Whoever believes in the Son HAS life lasting/existing forever
and without end; . . .5: 24Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and
believes him who sent me HAS life lasting/existing forever and without end. He
does not come into judgment, but HAS PASSED from death to life. . . 6:47 Truly,
truly, I say to you, whoever believes HAS life lasting/existing forever and
without end.. . . .50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven so that
anyone may eat of it and not die. . . . 8:51 I assure you: If anyone keeps My
word, HE WILL NEVER SEE DEATH - EVER!" . . . 11:26 Everyone who lives and
believes in Me WILL NEVER DIE - EVER. . . ." 1 John 5:13 I write these things
to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you HAVE
consciousness, existence and functional activity lasting/existing forever and
without end.

"Conscious Life Continues After Death"
Religion in Daily Life By the Rev. Edward Chinn, D.Min. Rector, All Saints'
Church 9601 Frankford Ave. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19114 (215) 637-5225
Written 27 October 2000
"The first scientific study of 'near-death' experiences has found new evidence
to suggest that consciousness or the 'soul' can continue to exist after the
brain has ceased to function." (Jonathan Petre, Electronic Telegraph, London,
Sunday, October 22, 2000). Two eminent doctors in Britain based their findings
on a yearlong study of heart attack survivors. Reports of such "near-death"
experiences date back for many centuries. Persons close to death have vivid
encounters with bright lights and heavenly beings. The new study concludes that
a number of people have had these experiences after they were pronounced
clinically dead.
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/3768.htm
www.amazon.com/90-Minutes-Heaven-Story-Death/dp/0800759494
http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-9780800759490-9
http://www.near-death.com/evidence.htmlhttp://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth28.htm\
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http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-life-after-death.htm
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20081130/letters/life-after-death
An exercise is no exercise if it doesn't challenge you at the point where you
have to strain and go aerobic, sometimes painfully. The same with "spiritual"
muscles, the trial has to produce stress, strain and even pain for you to become
stronger, more capable, more useful and fruitful. The fruitful vine looks
terrible when it is pruned, and it would feel terrible if it could feel, but
because it is pruned it has the potential of being more fruitful, and I know you
want more fruit of the Spirit in your life. I know that you want to
compassionately cherish God and others even more than you do now, and that's how
you get there.

This life is boot camp and a war, which, thank God, is shortened for our sakes.
Our resurrected life with Jesus Christ is worth the struggle. All of our
experiences in this mortal life can be used of God to prepare us to help,
comfort, teach, encourage, edify etc others better when we are given the
opportunity to be his delegated agents on earth as he rules from Jerusalem in
fulfillment of His promises to King David. To rule the earth with Him enthroned
in Jerusalem for a 1000 years (Rev. 20: 2-7), to walk around as His agents
enabled to raise the dead, open the eyes of the blind, to bind up the broken
limbs and hearts, to counsel the broken hearted with wisdom inspired of God, to
feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to free the captives, to teach in power
the lost how they can be found etc etc etc etc. I can hardly wait!

If you have suffered maritally, please consider attending a Christian
divorce/grief recovery support group. You are still deeply grieving inside over
your ex and those "saints" that so deeply and carnally broke your heart. I know
that I desperately needed and greatly benefited from the free one I attended at
Del Cerro So. Bapt. Church. It was critical in my recovery and in my readiness
to be healed and in my learning how and where I needed to grow, to forgive my
ex, and to prepare my heart for my next. Many churches and ministries have free
support groups that are usually extremely helpful. Please call around for times
and places and pray about attending and let the Lord minister to you through the
saints. But why does He allow us to suffer, to grieve so deeply and have hearts
so broken than you can feel the pain throughout your chest, so depressed that it
seems a struggle to survive, grief so deep that you never know what will cause
the tears to flow next? Here are some that I have become aware of and they are
all for our good. Please consider them and, in each, ask if its goal was
accomplished in your life.

We know how the Most High Father let Jesus' body be tortured to death to die in
our place for our sins, because of our sins, so that He could be both Just in
punishing sin, and Merciful in offering us forgiveness on the basis of relying
on Jesus substitutionary and sacrificial death for us. The Spirit tells us that
Jesus suffered much for us in His human body so that He would learn, like we
have to, that it is best to obey (Heb 5:8,9).

God, The Father, the Consuming Fire, the Most High God sent His only Son born of
woman to bear our death penalty, allowing Him to suffer terribly. For about 19
hours the Father allowed His Son to be falsely accused, unjustly tried, verbally
abused, physically abused, spit upon, beaten, slapped, punched, slugged, tied
up, led away as a prisoner, imprisoned, mocked, ridiculed, flogged Roman style
with a whip made of leather strips embedded with pieces of bone or metal that
brutally tore His flesh, and stripped in public (Mat 26:6-27:31). His hands and
feet were nailed to a cross and for about three to six hours He was hung on a
cross publicly to die a slow and exceedingly painful death, every second filled
with misery suffering (Mat 27).
***1 Peter 2:19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one
endures grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what credit is it if, when you are
beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer,
if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God. 21 For to this you
were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that
you should follow His steps:
22 " Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth";
23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did
not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 who
Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins,
might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. 25 For you were
like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of
your souls. NKJV
***Heb 9: 26 . . . "But now He has appeared one time, at the end of the ages,
for the removal of sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And just as it is
appointed for people to die once—and after this, judgment — 28 so also the
Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second
time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.
HCSB

All of the Apostles except John died violent deaths at the hands of
persecutors, and they tried to kill John but he was miraculously spared to write
Revelation. The Most High Father allowed Paul to suffer terribly and Jesus gave
him part of the reason, to save him from pride (2 Cor 12), teaching Him that He
makes His strength perfect in our weakness, so that the credit and glory goes to
the right person, to Jesus who was living in Paul and in lives in all His
children. Jesus allowed Paul to suffer in - - - -
"imprisonments, [beaten] with countless stripes, and frequently [at the point
of] death. 24 Five times I received from [the hands of] the Jews forty [lashes
all] but one; 25 Three times I have been beaten with rods; once I was stoned.
Three times I have been aboard a ship wrecked at sea; a [whole] night and a day
I have spent [adrift] on the deep; 26 Many times on journeys, [exposed to]
perils from rivers, perils from bandits, perils from [my own] nation, perils
from the Gentiles, perils in the city, perils in the desert places, perils in
the sea, perils from those posing as believers [but destitute of Christian
knowledge and piety]; 27 In toil and hardship, watching often [through sleepless
nights], in hunger and thirst, frequently driven to fasting by want, in cold and
exposure and lack of clothing." 2 Cor 11

Jesus and the apostles made it clear that significant suffering lies in the path
of anyone who becomes a child of God by faith in Jesus Christ alone to be saved
from the power, presence and penalty of sin.
***" Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer
persecution."(2 Timothy 3:11-13)
***Luke 6:22 "Blessed are you when men hate you, And when they exclude you, And
revile you, and cast out your name as evil, For the Son of Man's sake. . . .
21:17 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake." ***John 15:19 "If you
were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the
world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."

So how have the children of God suffered in the past according to the Bible and
Fox's Book of Martyrs? Is it like their suffering today?

***Heb 11: . . . 24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called
the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the
people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 esteeming the
reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to
the reward. 27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for
he endured as seeing Him who is invisible. . . . (NKJV) Others were tortured,
not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. 36
Still others had trial of mockings and severely painful whippings, yes, and of
chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were
tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and
goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented— 38 of whom the world was not
worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not
receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they
should not be made perfect apart from us. . . . 13All these died in faith,
without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them
from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the
earth. 14For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a
country of their own. 15And indeed if they had been thinking of that country
from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But as it
is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one Therefore God is not
ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them. NASB

------IF IT WAS NECESSARY & INEVITABLE FOR JESUS, THE APOSTLES, INCLUDING PAUL,
TO SUFFER IN THIS EVIL WORLD, HOW CAN WE SURPRISED IF WE TOO SUFFER IN OUR
BODIES IN OUR LIVES? Below are 22 reasons given for why Jesus lets us suffer in
this world today. JESUS HAS ALLOWED US TO SUFFER, BE GRIEVED, BE HURT, BE
WOUNDED SO THAT- - - -

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