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#21514 From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:48 am
Subject: Re: Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada 		djehanne_cherif
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Dear all,
kindly note, that I do agree that the whole identity of Egyptians and Arabs in general is being smothered, as if you think, mentioning the clash of civilization - the book was mainly written by an orientalist, a westener believing that he actually understands the whole system and the whole ideology and islamic civilization.  But, what people often tend to forget is simply the culture itself, how people think and how they react and to what they react. 
Here, we tend to go for slogans, react to big words, and follow any over-exaggerated statements, this off course is reflected by the reactions we see towards any incident whatsoever.   Whether it's the case in Sudan or the match, or whatever. 
The issue I think is that more awareness about such flaws needs to take place, as to stop following such over exaggerations. 
 
and by the way, having a blog would be very interesting, and pls don't forget to inform the group as I'd like to read it.
 
regards,
DC

From: Raghda Salama <rasalamander@...>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 24 November, 2009 3:26:16
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada

 

Dear Mandi,

I agree. It's somewhat a matter of expectations too.

My Jordanian friend (who is a Circassian Jordanian) was actually very offended by the reverse pan-Arab notion that many Egyptians have adopted since the events following the match. This was really because my msn status was "I am not Arab. I am Egyptian". I ended up changing it only because I did not want anybody I know to feel offended in any way. To be honest, I'm having mixed feelings about all of this. And I hope I dont go crazy. lol. Part of me is convinced that we are all still Arabs, and like you said, the term just might need to be redefined or something along those lines. Another part of me is just thinking who care? I never introduced myself to someone as an Arab anyway. I think others might share this internal conflict. I mean, even Huntigton in his Clash of Civilizations wasn't too accurate with his use of the term "Arab", he seemed to confuse it with "Muslim". But oh well. I do hope this instigates positive change inside Egypt before we ever begin to talk about what it means to be Arab, and before we try to fix relations with any other country.

As you know, people are accusing the Egyptian media of starting a "fitna" and exaggerating the who story. And really, when you come to think of it, the international community has every right to see it as such. BUT, I do know people who know people who were in Sudan at the time, and they've experienced everything. And they're not "important" people so-to-speak. .. not politicians, actors; they basically have no personal interest in making up a story of an attack. So, what I was thinking is somehow collecting memoirs  of average Egyptians who witnessed the incidents. My idea was to get it published, but I was advised to make a website/ blog first, and perhaps then I would be able to get a publisher for that.

I honestly don't know what else can be done. But one thing is know for sure, Egyptians and the Egyptian government are in the process of losing whatever image they had. What do you think?


Sorry for the long email.
Happy Eid to all. :)

Best,
Raghda

 


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From: mandi fahmy <mandi.mourad@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada
To: "Raghda Salama" <rasalamander@ yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 4:31 PM

Dear Raghda,
The Arab dream a lot of people I know have is one that I think is very defective and should be modified anyway. There are lots of unreasonable expectations from each other just because we say we want to stand by each other, know what I mean? We should be pushing each other to excel and compete so that we improve our performance. What happened with the Algerians happens every day in our daily life between Egyptians, as well. Weak people who need others to pat them on the back all the time and tell them how well they're doing, not how the really are doing and a discussion of what can be done to improve. That's only the part of it that comes to mind now.

Thanks very much for this piece of good news. I posted it and only an Iraqi friend expressed "like" to it! No other reaction. I sent the link to many friends. Waiting for their reaction.

What do you think we should do? And what did your Jordanian friend say?

Wishing you, your family and PTPians a very happy eid :-)
Mandi

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Raghda Salama <rasalamander@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Mandi,

You know, at one point, I started thinking that the "Arab Dream" is in fact gone, only until a Jordanian friend of mine sort of woke me up, and told me that we should not be saying that. I just hope that we do something about it ASAP. I really do. Of course I don't mind you posting it on facebook. In fact, thank you for posting it on your profile.

Best,
Raghda

 


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From: mandi fahmy <mandi.mourad@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:14 PM

 

Thanks, Raghda. It brought tears to my eyes. I don't think the Arab dream is gone. We just need to modify it because the old model, like anything else manmade, was not perfect, and we just need to work on it :-) I will post it on my page in facebook, hope you don't mind.


On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Raghda Salama <rasalamander@ yahoo.com> wrote:


Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada

Raghda Salama
  22 November 2009 in Canada, News

OTTAWA: On one university campus in the Canadian capital, Ottawa, Algerian fans cheered their players on toward victory against Egypt in an intense rendezvous that eventually qualified Algeria to compete in the World Cup 2010, next year in South Africa. It was a display of patriotism rarely seen by Canada’s Arabs publicly.


On November 18, Egyptian university students in Ottawa mourned the loss, or rather the dream that is yet to be achieved. With powerful chants strong enough to vibrate walls, the Egyptians could not help but continue chanting their chants and raising their flags even following the national team’s 1-0 loss to Algeria in Sudan. The plan was to celebrate and to chant, win or lose, the students said.


Elsewhere on the university, a group of Egyptian students decided to join the Algerian students in their celebrations. Words of congratulations were exchanged. New chants, referring to both Egypt and Algeria were sounded out by the fans, which were accompanied by the traditional tabla drum rhythms. Joining together in what was arguably the most ironic moment, considering the rumors of Egyptians being attacked in Sudan following the match and Egyptian demonstrations that led to violence in Cairo.


In Canada, this seemed not of concern for both Egyptian and Algerian fans, who sang together: “Masr! Jazayer” or “Egypt, Algeria!”


Yasmin Abdulgawad, an Egyptian student in Ottawa, said that the motive behind joining the Algerian celebrations was “to show them that we are civilized and have a big heart.”


Sarra Chalabi, President of the Maghrebian Association at the university, was “impressed” with the joint support. She stated that she “really appreciated it as it was proving it was just a game.”


In the joint celebration, hope for better relations between Egypt and Algeria was partly restored. However, the question that yet remains is will this restoration resonate over lands and seas, reaching North Africa?


When asked about future relations between Egypt and Algeria, both Egyptian and Algerian students are concerned about the violence that has surrounded the qualifying matches. Abdulgawad loses her optimism. saying that these violent events are “going to be the trigger for realizing that the Arab dream is gone.” She expressed her disdain towards dragging international relations into the sport.


On a similar note, Chalabi condemned the violence surrounding the matches. In acknowledging that Egyptian-Algerian diplomatic relations have been threatened, she acknowledges that “Algerians do not want any Egyptian or Egyptian company in Algeria anymore” and believes Egyptians feel the same way towards their Algerian counterparts.


Both students admit, however, that Ottawa has not been impacted by the violence, although all have been emotionally influenced by the events. Relatively peaceful relations between Egyptian and Algerian university students in Ottawa are expected to continue despite the violent protests in North Africa.


BM


You can find this article here:

http://bikyamasr. com/?p=5951

http://raghdasalama .blogspot. com/2009/ 11/egyptians- algerians- celebrate- together. html







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#21513 From: Camel <vrazzaz@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: Manipulating Egyptians using Algeria 		crazycamel1976
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Just a quick reflection, starting with hailing Khaled’s message.

Why did Egypt show so much “muscle” in reaction to the Algerian offences?

Why did Egypt refrain from doing the same with other Arab and non-Arab countries that abused and keep abusing our people who live there and even here in Egypt?

 

Why didn’t we hear fiery statements from Alaa Mubarak against Saudi Arabia when they lashed the Egyptian doctor? Why didn’t he call them terrorists as he called the Algerian hooligans?

 

Why didn’t we see a media campaign as massive and persistent against the Emirati VIP whose dogs killed Egyptian citizens in Cairo? Why didn’t President Mubarak call on the Egyptian ambassador in UAE the way he did with his counterpart in Algeria?

 

Why do we still have an Israeli ambassador in Egypt when the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs had suggested bombing the High Dam and drowning Egypt?

 

I think most of us know the answer. The government can only show muscle when:

1- It has nothing to lose by doing so (it will not anger the US, the EU or the Gulf)

2- It can gain popular support by doing so

 

The masses are being manipulated, like always, by a government that knows very well how to play on our soft spots and keep us distracted by everything possible.

 

I am ALL for any action that restores and defends the dignity of Egypt, country and nation, but I am against a government that applies this policy selectively and from an economically-conscious standpoint.

 

Egyptians are losing respect everywhere because their government, like almost all the other Arab governments, has lost respect long ago. I am VERY angry at Algeria, but I am as angry about seeing how the whole thing is being manipulated to serve a political agenda that has nothing to do with respect for the Egyptian citizens. You may disagree, but I will no more write on this issue. Case closed for me.

 

Camel



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#21511 From: Shaimaa Ashour <shaimaa.ashour@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:47 pm
Subject: Fwd: Townhouse Independent Study Program: call for applications 		shaimaaka
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Date: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:13 PM
Subject: Townhouse Independent Study Program: call for applications
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Dear all,

The official call for applications should go out in the Townhouse newsletter shortly but I just wanted to give you a heads up and encourage you to forward this to anyone you know who might be interested.

Thank you and all the best,

Laura

Laura Carderera
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The Townhouse Gallery of contemporary art
10, Nabrawy Street, off Champollion Street
Downtown, Cairo
Mobile: +20 107067255


TOWNHOUSE INDEPENDENT STUDY PROGRAM 2010
CALL FOR APPLICATIONS
Application Deadline: December 15, 2009
We are pleased to launch a call for applications for the Townhouse Independent Study Program (ISP), a new initiative targeted at individuals who have started or wish to embark in a career in contemporary artwhether in curating, critical writing, arts management, research or academia.
The Townhouse ISP will take place from January to June 2010 and will be structured around monthly critical seminars and survey courses on the history and historiography of modern and contemporary art from the Middle East, with a particular focus on Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine and Iran. Confirmed speakers to date include Rasha Salti and Kristine Khouri, Kirsten Scheid, Clare Davies, Shiva Balaghi, Dina Ramadan, Sarah Rogers and Adila Laidi Hanieh. These seminars will be supplemented by additional talks and workshops on curatorial practice throughout the year.
Seminars will mainly be taught on weekends (Fridays and Saturdays) from 10 am to 5 pm[1]. Program participants will be given reading materials in advance and will be encouraged to work on research assignments throughout the year.
Selection criteria:
- Applicants should have a strong interest in pursuing a career in contemporary art, whether as writers, researchers, curators or arts managers. Preference will be given to nationals from Egypt and the Middle East, or to people who are either permanently working in the region, or intend to do so in the near future.[2]
- Applicants should be able to communicate in both English and Arabic (as some seminars will be taught in English and others in Arabic)
Documents to apply:
In order to apply, please email the following information in English to laura@... by December 15, 2009:
- A personal statement explaining: (i) your background, (ii) why you are interested in participating in the program and (iii) some of the topics you would like to learn more about and/or an idea of an artist, movement, question or issue you would like to research throughout the year.
- Curriculum Vitae.

Selection process:
Limited places will be available. The selection will be made by a committee made up of local academics and arts professionals. Primary attention will be paid to applicants personal statement and their ideas about topics they would like to research and explore. Participants will be notified by December 31st, 2009.
A token registration fee of 100 EGP will be charged to cover some of the administrative costs of the program. A limited number of scholarships will be available.
For more information please contact ISP Program Manager Laura Carderera at laura@....
The Townhouse ISP is generously supported by Arts Collaboratory, Goethe-Institut gypten, the Royal Netherlands Embassy in Egypt and Pro Helvetia.

Biographies of seminar teachers and speakers
Rasha Salti is an independent curator and free-lance writer, working and living between New York City and Beirut. Trained as a printmaker (B.A. in Fine Arts from Georgetown University), she earned a graduate degree in Liberal Studies from the Graduate Faculty at the New School for Social Research in New York City, in 2000. She worked at the Thtre de Beyrouth, an independent cultural space that was a marker the citys post-war cultural landscape for several years. She has administered the organization of a number of cultural events, including a tribute to Edward Said titled For a Critical Culture (Beirut, 1997), and a 3 months-long cultural season for the fiftieth commemoration of the tragedy of Palestine, titled 50, Nakba and Resistance (Beirut, 1998). She collaborated on the organization of a number of festivals and international artistic manifestations, beginning with Moukhtar Kocache on the first Lebanese film and video festival in postwar Lebanon, titled Image-Quest (Beirut, 1995), and Ashkal Alwan, on the second and third editions of Home Works: A Forum on Cultural Practices (Beirut, 2003 and 2005). After she moved to New York, and beginning in January of 2004, she started collaborating with ArteEast, a pioneering non-profit arts organization based in New York City, first as the director of their film programs. In 2005 she was appointed as the director of CinemaEast Film Festival, a biennial festival of recent films from the Middle East, North Africa and their diasporas. In 2006, she curated a retrospective of Syrian cinema, which opened at the Lincoln Center in New York City, and toured in the Arab world. On the occasion of the retrospective, she edited and translated a volume on Syrian cinema, published in collaboration between ArteEast and Rattapallax Press, titled Insights into Syrian Cinema: Essays and Conversations with Filmmakers. Salti writes about artistic practice in the Arab world, film, and general social and political commentary. Her essays, articles and chronicles, have been published in Arabic and English, in publications such as al-Ahram Weekly (Egypt), Zawaya (Lebanon), The Jerusalem Quarterly Report (Palestine), Naqd (Algeria), MERIP (USA), Bidoun (USA), Mizna (US), The London Review of Books (UK), The Purple Journal (US/France), Afterall (US), in addition to contributions in catalogues for international festivals and artistic manifestations. In 2005, she earned the Phillip Shehadi award for new writing on the Middle East.
Kristine Genevive Khouri is a researcher in art history focusing on the modern period and contemporary Middle East, based in Beirut. She received her BA in Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations (Honors) from the University of Chicago in 2007 with a minor in Art History. Her BA thesis explored the narratives of contemporary Arab art exhibitions. At the University of Chicago, for three years, she participated in the Festival of the Arts, a student run art organization, as senior curator and director, and was responsible for overseeing and organizing a 10 day visual and performing arts festival and year-long programming, which had included nearly 60 funded projects including site specific installation, performance, fashion show, exhibition, lecture. In addition, she assisted the curator at the Warehouse--The Margulies Collection, in Miami, Florida during Art Basel 2005. A recipient of the Fulbright fellowship (2007-2008), she spent a year in Amman, Jordan investigating visual art practice and production, looking specifically at institutions and structures surrounding art production and exhibition. She is currently working with Walid Raad as the researcher for his current project: Scratching on Things You Could Disavow: A History of Modern and Contemporary Arab Art. Kristine is a writer and photographer and has contributed to several magazine publications in the region: Skin, Nox, and JO, as well as Bidoun and The National (newspaper, Abu Dhabi). She also serves as the program director for Gen70, an artist portfolio project for ArteEast.

Kirsten Scheid is an anthropologist and art historian specializing in modern and contemporary visual arts in Lebanon.She studied art history at Columbia University (1992) and cultural anthropology at Princeton University (2005).She is Assistant Professor of Anthropology at the American University of Beirut and her research interests include the history of painting in Lebanon and the Arab world, civilizing discourses, colonialism and aesthetics, cross-cultural investments in fine art, and the use of art for negotiating ambiguous social identities such as gender and class. She is the author of a forth-coming book,On Civilized Art in Primitive Places: Modern Art and the Formation of Lebanese Society. Her articles include, "What We Do Not Know: Questions for the Study of Contemporary Arab Art"(ISIM#22, Autumn 2008), "Missing Nike: On Oversights, Doubled Sights, and Universal Art Understood through Lebanon" (Museum Anthropology32/2, Fall 2009), "The Agency of Art and the Study of Arab Modernity" (MIT-Electronic Journal of Middle East Studies, Spring 2007), "Seeing in Stereo: A Study of the Market for Orientalist Copies in Lebanon" (March 2006),and "The Necessity of the Nude: Being Painter, Man, and Intellectual" (IJMESMay 2010). Currently, Kirsten is a post-doctoral fellow at the Wissenschaftskolleg zu Berlin, with the program "Europe in the Middle East, the Middle East in europe," where she is studying historical and contemporary instances of European self-formation in projects of funding art in Lebanon.Kirsten has also curated several exhibitions including on-line shows for Arteeast.org and at Nadi al-saha in Beirut. In 1992-3she conducted independent field research on the contemporary Palestinian painting movement in the West Bank.Her newest research has taken two parallel paths: funding of contemporary Arab art and audience cultivation, on the one side, and elite youth subjectivity formation in birthday party rituals and aesthetics, on the other.

Clare Davies is a PhD candidate and Erwin Panofsky Fellow at the Institute of Fine Arts in New York. Davies organized the Open Studio Project 2006 at the Townhouse Gallery and divides her time between New York and Cairo.

Shiva Balaghi is an International Humanities Fellow at Brown University, where she teaches History. She has published widely on Iranian visual culture, including essays on leading figures such as Siah Armajani, Shirin Neshat, Abbas Kiarostami, Parviz Tanavoli, and Khosrow Hassanzadeh. In her writings, she has explored such topics as the relationship between diasporic Iranian artists and those working mainly in Iran; the articulations on Islam and modernity in Iranian art; constructions of masculinity in the Islamic Republic; and the development of art institutions in 20th century Iran. Balaghi has delivered dozens of lectures on Iranian visual culture at universities, galleries, and museums in Europe and the USas well as Istanbul, Beirut, Cairo, and Dubai. In 2002, she helped organize a major exhibition of contemporary Iranian art from the collection of the Grey Art Gallery at NYUthe largest collection of its kind held by a museum outside of Iran. The show, Between Word and Image, received critical acclaimthe New York Times listed it as one of the top 10 most important art events in the US in 2002, and it was nominated by a major curatorial organization as one of the top four exhibitions in NYC that year. A related book she edited, Picturing Iran: Art, Society, and Revolution (I. B. Tauris, 2002) was translated in Beirut in 2006, making it the first scholarly work on contemporary Iranian art available in the Arabic language. In 2008, she helped produce an online catalogue of the entire Grey collection, making the critical collection available for scholars and artists for the first time. http://www.nyu.edu/greyart/collection/iranian%20art/iranian.html. She is currently completing a monograph on the relationship between political movements and cultural production in Iran from 1848 to the present. Balaghi is an editor of MERIP and the Vice-President of the American Institute of Iranian Studies. She is a Founding Board Member of the Association of Contemporary Art of the Arab World, Iran, and Turkey (AMCA).

Dina A. Ramadan is a cultural historian and PhD candidate in the Department of Middle East and Asian Languages and Cultures at Columbia University. Her earlier research focused on the exhibition and representation of Middle Eastern artists in Western art capitals. Her dissertation research is concerned with the development of the category of modern art in Egypt and its role in the production of the modern Egyptian subject. She has published in Arab Studies Journal, Art Journal, Journal of Visual Culture, and Middle East Studies Association Bulletin. She is a founding member of the Association for Modern and Contemporary Art of the Arab World, Iran and Turkey (AMCA).

Sarah Rogers received her PhD from the History, Theory, and Criticism section of the Department of Architecture at MIT, where she wrote her dissertation, "Postwar Art and the Historical Roots of Beirut's Cosmopolitanism." She is currently a Terra Foundation Post-doctoral fellow at the Smithsonian Museum of American Art, researching American artists in Beirut during the cold war period. She is a founding member and President-elect of the Association of Modern & Contemporary Art of the Arab World, Iran, & Turkey (AMCA).

Adila Ladi-Hanieh is a cultural critic and writer with interest in Palestinian arts and cultural practices, modern Arab intellectual history, and cultural spaces and processes. She published in 2008 the first cultural review of contemporary Palestine, which commissioned texts and art work from confirmed and emerging artists, novelists and poets from Palestine and elsewhere: Palestine: Rien ne nous Manque ici (Palestine: We Lack for Nothing Here). It is the first book to study contemporary Palestine in an introspective, multidisciplinary, and critical manner. Ladi-Hanieh ran the Khalil Sakakini Cultural Centre in Ramallah from its 1996 establishment until 2005. She curated there in 2001 the international touring memorial art exhibition 100 Shaheed-100 Lives. Her work was covered by the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Financial Times, Le Monde, CNN, the Daily Star, Al-Hayat, Moustaqbal TV, etc. She received on March 8, 2005 the International Womans Day Award from Bethlehem University. Her essays and reviews have appeared in the Journal of Palestine Studies , Contemporary Practices, lArt-Mme and Weghat Nazar, and she has spoken at a number of fora and symposia on contemporary cultural processes. She researches public sphere/counter publics theories, postcolonial/globalization theory, aesthetic regimes and political art, and Arab modernization theories. Her current research has two foci: Palestinian self representation and aesthetics in the contexts of occupation and globalization, and a comparative focus on arts and culture in Arab modernization processes. She taught from 2006 to 2008 Arab intellectual history, and the first course on Palestinian arts at Bir Zeit University. She won in 2008 a Fulbright scholarship to study for a PhD in Cultural Studies at George Mason University. Ladi-Hanieh is a cofounder of a number of arts and culture organizations and foundations on which governing boards she served-, such as: The Arab Fund for Arts & Culture (Amman) , Al-Mawred al-Thaqafy [Cultural Resource] (Cairo) , the Khalil Sakakini Cultural Centre Foundation (Ramallah) , and Shashat (Ramallah) . She was part of the World Economic Forums Young Arab Leaders initiative and a member of its Council of 100 Leaders of Islam-West Dialogue (2002-2005). She was a member of the organizing committee of the 2008-09 MASARAT Palestinian cultural season in Belgium , and is a member of AMCA, the Association for Modern & Contemporary Art of the Arab World, Iran & Turkey (Denton, TX) . She was born in Algeria and was educated there and in Jordan, where she studied painting with Fahr el Nissa Zeid. She earned a Certificat dtudes Politiques from the Institut dtudes Politiques de Paris, before completing her B.A.in International Relations from the United States International University (Alliant U.) in Mexico City, and her M.A. in Arab Studies from Georgetown University. She divides her time between Virginia, Ramallah and Algiers.


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#21510 From: Raghda Salama <rasalamander@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:26 am
Subject: Re: Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada 		rasalamander
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Dear Mandi,

I agree. It's somewhat a matter of expectations too.

My Jordanian friend (who is a Circassian Jordanian) was actually very offended by the reverse pan-Arab notion that many Egyptians have adopted since the events following the match. This was really because my msn status was "I am not Arab. I am Egyptian". I ended up changing it only because I did not want anybody I know to feel offended in any way. To be honest, I'm having mixed feelings about all of this. And I hope I dont go crazy. lol. Part of me is convinced that we are all still Arabs, and like you said, the term just might need to be redefined or something along those lines. Another part of me is just thinking who care? I never introduced myself to someone as an Arab anyway. I think others might share this internal conflict. I mean, even Huntigton in his Clash of Civilizations wasn't too accurate with his use of the term "Arab", he seemed to confuse it with "Muslim". But oh well. I do hope this instigates positive change inside Egypt before we ever begin to talk about what it means to be Arab, and before we try to fix relations with any other country.

As you know, people are accusing the Egyptian media of starting a "fitna" and exaggerating the who story. And really, when you come to think of it, the international community has every right to see it as such. BUT, I do know people who know people who were in Sudan at the time, and they've experienced everything. And they're not "important" people so-to-speak... not politicians, actors; they basically have no personal interest in making up a story of an attack. So, what I was thinking is somehow collecting memoirs  of average Egyptians who witnessed the incidents. My idea was to get it published, but I was advised to make a website/ blog first, and perhaps then I would be able to get a publisher for that.

I honestly don't know what else can be done. But one thing is know for sure, Egyptians and the Egyptian government are in the process of losing whatever image they had. What do you think?


Sorry for the long email.
Happy Eid to all. :)

Best,
Raghda

 


--- On Mon, 11/23/09, mandi fahmy <mandi.mourad@...> wrote:

From: mandi fahmy <mandi.mourad@...>
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada
To: "Raghda Salama" <rasalamander@...>
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 4:31 PM

Dear Raghda,
The Arab dream a lot of people I know have is one that I think is very defective and should be modified anyway. There are lots of unreasonable expectations from each other just because we say we want to stand by each other, know what I mean? We should be pushing each other to excel and compete so that we improve our performance. What happened with the Algerians happens every day in our daily life between Egyptians, as well. Weak people who need others to pat them on the back all the time and tell them how well they're doing, not how the really are doing and a discussion of what can be done to improve. That's only the part of it that comes to mind now.

Thanks very much for this piece of good news. I posted it and only an Iraqi friend expressed "like" to it! No other reaction. I sent the link to many friends. Waiting for their reaction.

What do you think we should do? And what did your Jordanian friend say?

Wishing you, your family and PTPians a very happy eid :-)
Mandi

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Raghda Salama <rasalamander@...> wrote:
Dear Mandi,

You know, at one point, I started thinking that the "Arab Dream" is in fact gone, only until a Jordanian friend of mine sort of woke me up, and told me that we should not be saying that. I just hope that we do something about it ASAP. I really do. Of course I don't mind you posting it on facebook. In fact, thank you for posting it on your profile.

Best,
Raghda

 


--- On Sun, 11/22/09, mandi fahmy <mandi.mourad@...> wrote:

From: mandi fahmy <mandi.mourad@...>
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:14 PM

 

Thanks, Raghda. It brought tears to my eyes. I don't think the Arab dream is gone. We just need to modify it because the old model, like anything else manmade, was not perfect, and we just need to work on it :-) I will post it on my page in facebook, hope you don't mind.


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Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada

Raghda Salama
  22 November 2009 in Canada, News

OTTAWA: On one university campus in the Canadian capital, Ottawa, Algerian fans cheered their players on toward victory against Egypt in an intense rendezvous that eventually qualified Algeria to compete in the World Cup 2010, next year in South Africa. It was a display of patriotism rarely seen by Canada’s Arabs publicly.


On November 18, Egyptian university students in Ottawa mourned the loss, or rather the dream that is yet to be achieved. With powerful chants strong enough to vibrate walls, the Egyptians could not help but continue chanting their chants and raising their flags even following the national team’s 1-0 loss to Algeria in Sudan. The plan was to celebrate and to chant, win or lose, the students said.


Elsewhere on the university, a group of Egyptian students decided to join the Algerian students in their celebrations. Words of congratulations were exchanged. New chants, referring to both Egypt and Algeria were sounded out by the fans, which were accompanied by the traditional tabla drum rhythms. Joining together in what was arguably the most ironic moment, considering the rumors of Egyptians being attacked in Sudan following the match and Egyptian demonstrations that led to violence in Cairo.


In Canada, this seemed not of concern for both Egyptian and Algerian fans, who sang together: “Masr! Jazayer” or “Egypt, Algeria!”


Yasmin Abdulgawad, an Egyptian student in Ottawa, said that the motive behind joining the Algerian celebrations was “to show them that we are civilized and have a big heart.”


Sarra Chalabi, President of the Maghrebian Association at the university, was “impressed” with the joint support. She stated that she “really appreciated it as it was proving it was just a game.”


In the joint celebration, hope for better relations between Egypt and Algeria was partly restored. However, the question that yet remains is will this restoration resonate over lands and seas, reaching North Africa?


When asked about future relations between Egypt and Algeria, both Egyptian and Algerian students are concerned about the violence that has surrounded the qualifying matches. Abdulgawad loses her optimism. saying that these violent events are “going to be the trigger for realizing that the Arab dream is gone.” She expressed her disdain towards dragging international relations into the sport.


On a similar note, Chalabi condemned the violence surrounding the matches. In acknowledging that Egyptian-Algerian diplomatic relations have been threatened, she acknowledges that “Algerians do not want any Egyptian or Egyptian company in Algeria anymore” and believes Egyptians feel the same way towards their Algerian counterparts.


Both students admit, however, that Ottawa has not been impacted by the violence, although all have been emotionally influenced by the events. Relatively peaceful relations between Egyptian and Algerian university students in Ottawa are expected to continue despite the violent protests in North Africa.


BM


You can find this article here:

http://bikyamasr. com/?p=5951

http://raghdasalama .blogspot. com/2009/ 11/egyptians- algerians- celebrate- together. html







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#21509 From: K K <kak_78_2000@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:56 pm
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Dear PTPians
 
I tried to ignore the "Egypt-Algeria match" madness as much as I can,& although I promised myself not to comment on it, it keeps on imposing itself on my life. So I decided to vent my thoughts here.Unfortunately the Spanish Embassy-where I work-happens to be a direct neighbour of the Algerian embassy in Zamalek, & we all now about the riots that took place last weekend, so going to work this week was not a very nice experience with all those policemen asking every body walking in the street about their IDs & where they are working ,etc...
 
Anyway,I have few comments about what has been published on PTP about this match:
 
1-"Algerians are inherently violent by nature"! Now , this is almost a racist comment/generalization! Remember that some westerners also think that ALL Arabs/Muslims are also "inherently violent by nature".I know some Algerians who are very civilized & even more civilized than some of the Egyptians that I know.
 
2-"Algerians hate Egyptians/Egypt".I went to Algiers 6 months ago, & while I didn't like the city itself, I found the Algerians to be very hospitable people. I remember how an Algerian restaurant owner kept on talking passionately with me about his Egyptian teacher who taught him Arabic back in the 1960s.
 
3-"Algeria sent its outlaws to terrorize Egyptian fans in Khartoum". Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this conspiracy theory or what?! I know that Algerian hooligans were extremely violent, but I don't think that the Algerian government would go so far as to send Algerian outlaws to Khartoum. This would have caused a diplomatic crisis with Sudan had the Sudanese government known about it because these outlaws would have taken advantage of the situation to run away in Sudan, right? Moreover, these outlaws couldn't harm Egyptian players themselves (& consequently the match score) thanks to the high security measures surronding those players,right? & Even if this was true, we are used to it: The National Democratic Party unleashes its bullies on Egyptian voters every time we have elections, right?:)
 
4-I'm wondering why the France-Ireland match (& Thiery Henry's "handball") didn't escalate into a diplomatic crisis between the 2 countries/peoples? Speaking of soccer-related diplomatic crisis here is a link for trivia lovers about the 1969 Soccer war between El Salvador & Honduras (http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-5626.html)
 
Sorry for my long message:)
 
Khaled El Kafoury
 


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From: cairo.publicaffairs@... <cairo.publicaffairs@...>
Subject: Invitation from The Embassy of Canada: lecture on waste management - Al Sawy Culturewheel , Al Kalema Hall on Sunday December 13, 2009 at 6pm
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Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 6:05 AM



  

The Ambassador of Canada in Cairo
Mr Ferry de Kerckhove  
 
has the pleasure to invite  you 
to the lecture held at Al Sawy Culturewheel in Zamalek 
 
 on  Sunday December 13th, 2009  
 at 6pm at the Word (Al Kalema)  Hall. 
 (Free entry ) 
 
"A Human Development perspective of solid waste management: the necessity for an integrated approach to problem solving "
by Mrs. Seheir Kansouh-Habib, Development and Gender Consultant - UNDP Policy Adviser, retired
 
    " The new proposed waste system for Cairo "   
                                     by Dr Laila Iskandar : Chairperson of CID Consulting                                    
 
R.S.V.P.: 27918725 - cairo.publicaffairs@...

 

 

 سفيركندا في القاهرة

 فيري دي كيركوف

يتشرف بدعوة سيادتكم
لحضورالندوة التى ستقام

يوم  الأحد13  ديسمبر 2009  الساعة 6 مساء

بقاعة الكلمة بساقة عبد المنعم الصاوى بالزمالك
(الدخول مجانا)


" التنمية البشرية من منظور إدارة النفايات الصلبة :ضرورة إتباع نهج متكامل لحل المشكلة"
السيدة سهير قنصوه: خبير السياسات الانمائية


" النظام الجديد المقترح  للتخلص من مخلفات القاهرة"

الدكتورة ليلى اسكندر: رئيس مجلس إدارة الشركة المصرية للدراسات والتدريب والتنمية المهنية

 

   27918725 - cairo.publicaffairs@...  :  لتأكيد الحضور 

 

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  Press Release

 

               

Subject: Campaign "Recycling for a better environment, أجل بيئة أفضل من
Duration: October -December 2009

The Embassy of Canada has launched a recycling campaign to raise the youth awareness on the waste management and recycling. 
 
This campaign target 11 schools in Cairo: Sacre-Coeur Ghamra, College de la Sainte-Famille (Jesuites) , College de la Salle Daher, St Vincent de Paul Abbasseya, Lycée Al Horreya Heliopolis, Lycée Al Horreya Maadi, Lycée Al Horreya Al Haram, Colleges des Freres  Bab el Louk, College de la Mere de Dieu, Ecole Oasis Internationale, Ecole Sainte- Anne) and the Canadian International College (CIC).
 
The Embassy of Canada in collaboration with three NGOs: - Association for the Protection of the Environment (Gameyet Hemayet el Biaa) - Spirit of the Youth (Roh El Sabab) - Future Lights for Development Association, has organized series of presentations in each school contrasting the negative consequences of the current system, in which all wastes are mixed, and the positive effects that will be produced by applying a new system of sorting garbage between organic and inorganic.
 
To implement this system for sorting waste, coloured labels were glued on all baskets in each school:
* outdoors and buses:
- Yellow label "inorganic" for plastic, metal, ...
- Green label "organic" for food


* in classrooms and offices:
- Blue label "paper" for all types of paper
- Red label ''other inorganic "for all inorganic waste except paper. 

The objective of the program is to promote a new sorting system that will have positive effects on the environment, land, health, economy, etc..

During November, visits to associations will be organized for students to observe the waste collection and recycling.

To motivate students,  the embassy is holding a student essay competition on recycling and its effects on the environment . Winners will be awarded at the end of the project at a reception to be held at the  Canadian Official Residence in the presence of H.E. The Ambassador of Canada, the partners, the consultants of the three associations and many others.
 
On December 13 at 6 pm, a press conference  in presence of H.E. Ambassador of Canada in Egypt, Mr Ferry de Kerckhove, Eng. Mohamed El Sawy, Dr Laila Iskandar (Chairperson of CID Consulting), Mrs. Seher Kansouh ( Development and Gender Consultant - UNDP Policy Adviser, retired) and many others. the press conference will be followed by a public conference (Free Entry) will be held at Sakyet el Sawy in Zamalek 

Topic:  “Integrated Solid Waste Management, the current situation in Egypt and practical solutions".  

Timing: 6 pm 

Location: Al Kalema Hall (free entry)
   

For more information, please contact Nadine Medhat: nadine.medhat@...


Sponsors: Canadian International College, Mobinil, Timberland, Teenstuff and Kelmetna. 

 

 

 خبر صحفى  

 

الموضوع : حملة إعادة التدوير من أجل بيئة أفضل

المدة : اكتوبر / ديسمبر 2009

تنظم سفارة كندا بالقاهرة مشروع إعادة التدوير لتوعية الشباب على أهمية إدارة المخلفات وإعادة تدويرها.
  
بدأ المشروع فى 11 مدرسة في القاهرة : 
  
نظمت  سفارة كندا بالتعاون مع ثلاث منظمات غير حكومية :  جمعية حماية البيئة -جمعية روح الشباب -مؤسسة أضواء المستقبل للتنمية ، سلسلة من المحاضرات  والعروض في كل مدرسة لتوضيح الآثار السلبية للنظام الحالي حيث نجد جميع النفايات مخلوطة بدون فصل ، وشرح الآثار الإيجابية التي سوف تنتج عند تطبيق نظام فصل القمامة من المنبع بين عضوية وغير عضوية.
  
لتنفيذ هذا النظام ،  تم وضع ملصقات ملونة واضحة بالرسومات على كل السلال في كل مدرسة:
* في الأماكن المفتوحة  والاوتوبيسات :
--  الاصقر " قمامة  غير عضوية" للبلاستيك و المعادن  ،...
--  الاخضر  " للفمامة العضوية"  لبقايا الطعام   

* في الفصول الدراسية والمكاتب:
--  الازرق   " ورق" لجميع أنواع الورق
--   الأحمر " مواد غير عضوية أخرى " بالنسبة لجميع النفايات غير العضوية  باستثناء  ا لورق. 

خلال شهر نوفمبر ، تم تنظيم زيارات  للجمعيات حتى يمكن للطلاب مشاهدة عملية إعادة تدوير المخلفات (ورق – بلاستيك -  قماش،...)

 

و من أجل تحفيز الطلاب  نظمت السفارة مسابقة أفضل مقال عن إعادة تدوير وآثاره على البيئة. وسوف يتم منح الفائزين جوائز قيمة في نهاية المشروع  من خلال حفل الاستقبال الذي سيعقد في منزل سعادة سفير كندا ، وفى وجود جميع الشركاء الذين ساهموا فى نجاح هذا المشروع.

  
يوم 13 ديسمبر 2009 الساعة 6 مساء بقاعة الكلمة بساقية عبد المنعم الصاوى بالزمالك (الدخول مجانا) ، مؤتمرا صحافيا يعقبه ندوة عن "الإدارة المتكاملة للمخلفات الصلبة، الوضع الحالى فى مصر والحلول العملية "في حضور معالي سفير كندا في مصر ، السيد فيري دي كيركوف والمهندس محمد عبد المنعم الصاوي ، الدكتورة ليلى اسكندر (رئيسة للاستشارات إدارة البحث الجنائي) ، والسيدة سهير قنصوه (مستشار فى التنمية والمساواة بين الجنسين - مستشار سياسات برنامج الأمم المتحدة الإنمائي سابقا). 
     

 

A students’ committee enthusiasm to glue labels on baskets

 

 

Indoor :

baskets with labels: paper / other inorganic except paper 

outdoor :

Students in the courtyard after gluing the labels: organic / inorganic

 

During one of the presentations in one of the schools. 

 

Students committee wearing the recycling campain T-Shirt 

 

Students of College de la Salle during their visit to the Association for the Protection of the Environment

 

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#21504 From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action/Savages or Humans? 		djehanne_cherif
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Hey,
well, I recon that thought, however, I do think that not everyone is a silent whatcher.  Do you honestly believe that civil society is quiet about all this mess, and do you honestly believe that everyone is just turning a blind eye and giving into the system?
if you do believe so, then there is no hope in the whole region.... in the universe. 
you know what also gets on my nerves?  it's basically that people claim they just can't do anything about the system, they just have to accept it, no matter how bad it is.... which is off course, redicolous.... I mean, if you look at this corrupt society, and the way people keep claiming that no matter what happens, we have to actually accept what's going on.... I say, we shouldn't accept anything whatsoever, and we should find a way that our voices be heard.
 
however, off course, knowing that mobilization doesn't exist and people will always focus on what's trivial and rather shallow, things are not likely to get much better in the future....
 
cheers to all.
D

From: Agnieszka Metwaly <ati_metwaly@...>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 23 November, 2009 11:30:03
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action/Savages or Humans?

 

Hello,

 

Unfortunately, as Djehanne says, today football is used “to divert our interest from more important issues”. There is lots of bitter truth in it.

 

In addition to Tarek’s post: of course we must not forget all the actual madness and humiliation which happened around this match… There is no excuse. I also think  FIFA should take some actions as it was doing in the history.

 

However, back to Djehanne’s point, when I try to take a distance from those terrible facts (not undermining them in any way), I realize sadly, very sadly, that it is only a football match and many terrible events that took place around it, that speak to Egyptian hearts. Demonstrations, lots of sharp and fully justified statements against the “enemy” or the “evil”, persistence in getting some kind of compensation… all those elements are great! Chapeau to all Egyptians fighting hard for it.

BUT:

Maybe next time Egyptians would start fighting for: stopping all the terrible things happening inside our country! When taken from this angle, it is very sad that we fight against humiliations experienced during and after the football match, but when it comes to daily life humiliations taken by all of us silently (should I say: “happily”?) coming from the nonsense system, corruption, ridiculous life standards etc etc etc – the list would be endless and would simply point at everything that’s against decent life of humans – somehow we do not demonstrate for days, we do not shout for days, we do not take actions, somehow our powers are not used to their extremes… I’m not saying that since we take our Egyptian destiny “happily” we should close our eyes on those “Middle Age savage actions” (very well said Meto) which followed the match but what I’m saying is that there are many reasons around us, touching us as human beings, standing against our dignity and life quality, that we must not forget about; and actions should be taken in those aspects as well – with same passion and same strength. Essence or a base for this “opposition power” is valid (a football match and its “aftermath”) but too bad this is the only arena where we strongly demonstrate our nationalistic passion defending basic human values. –that’s possibly a part of Djehanne’s thinking… Don’t weep, take action should have a much broader meaning.

Yes, attention has been successfully diverted. And the saddest thing is that… it will continue being diverted…

 

That was just a thought…

 

Ati

 
 
 

 

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From: no_one no_where <egyptomania2008@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action/Savages or Humans?
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:45 AM

 
I don't know if this would have any effect or even worth sharing but I thought I will do it and leave it to the moderator to decide if it has value or not,
 
Rou you have all the right to pass or reject this email.
 
The branch of our company (A Saudi Company) in Algeria sent us an email asking to be circulated to all users, that they are totally against what happened in Sudan and they personally apologize to all "Egyptians" on the "shameful actions" that took place, hoping that this will not disrupt the family bondage that The Egyptians and Algerians have.. The mail was sent in Arabic, English and French!
 
On Another note, an Algerian friend of mine who is now living in Dubai and who I have known for years, sent me yesterday the following SMS, below is the English translation of the original French text:
 
"Good Morning Meto. I hope all this madness surrounding our countries will not affect our friendship that I treasuer. Thank God I am not into Politics or Football which I believe separate and discriminate rather than develop and unite people. I really treasure you. Have a nice day and hope to see you soon in Egypt or Algeria :)"
 
Well, I can't help but feel that within all this "Savage Middle Age Like Frenzy" as I insist on calling it, some "human beings still exist"
 
Have a nice day
 
Meto


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From: "energizre@yahoo. com" <energizre@yahoo. com>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 4:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Dear Djehanne,

i don't recall anyone saying anything about Losing.. we lost.. and algeria put up a good game, i personally admit to that.. on the tactical level , but outside soccer.. i do not think that you are asking us to be civilized while the other party, disrespected you and your officials.. and chased your civilians in the streets of another country with knives , daggers and pocket knives.. excuse me but its not about the loss.. can you tell me why do you attack someone after you've won ? can you explain why , when the egyptian official went to shake hands with the algerian counter part during a press conference after the leader of a 3rd country "Al Bashir " had sat with them and told them  this is not right what's going on and you are brothers and so on , and they both agreed, and when the egyptian official during the press conference went to shake his hand.. he left and didn't appear on the scene.. and appeared only after the egyptian official was not there anymore..  

i think Djehanne..you' re missing other facts no one is talking about the game anymore.. the protests for the Fifa are legitimate and which any other country would have asked for normally.. but is it because we are the ones asking..

I really wonder how we Egyptians have the ability to be against our own nation.. if another country says we've fabricated news.. we blame us , no one actually tries to find out anything about the truth..perhaps if you were chased down one of the alleys in Sudan or even enough to see a knife raised against you.. i wonder would you still say it's because we've lost ?

Sincerly yours..
 
"The wind blows words and thoughts across the world through out the skies to reach the minds and hearts of those who wait for the wind when it blows.."



Tarek Refaat


From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@ yahoo.co. uk>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 2:58:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Dear All,
I think that we're taking this out of hand.  At the end of the day it's just a match, nothing really vital.  Even if football means the world to many egyptians, we all know that it's a tool used to divert our interest from more important issues.
So, I think this mobilization of different people to vote for disqualifying algeria from FIFA shows how sore loosers we are, which I think is not very civilized.
Instead of focusing our efforts to actually disqualify another Arab country (and aren't we - Egyptians - the ones who talk about Arab unity?) from the world cup, we should actually focus on acting in a more mature fashion, and not limit our views to trivialities.
Why do we always preach what we don't do?  Why do we always let our emotions get ahead of us and react upon irrational issues that are based on nothing but simply being upset for loosing.... I mean, at the end of the day a game is just a game, and we should be good sports, if we loose, there will be other matches, and it's not a fight really.
 
 
Anyway,
this was just my opinion.
 
Have a beatiful afternoon,
enjoy the rest of the day,
and hope the weather doesn't get much colder ;)
 

 

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: PTP <Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 9:07:37
Subject: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Hi All,

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the masacares that took place.

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

Monir

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it
 
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Course in Miracles
 
 

 
 




this is the FIFA link

http://www.fifa. com/contact/form.html

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.
 

1-


We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-


Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa


and here is how you do it:

1- in the first MCQ, choose 

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube. . com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit










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Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:13 am
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Business

إقتصاد و أعمال

India may get $1 billion in IT outsourcing contracts: report

Leading Indian outsourcers such as Tata Consultancy (TCS.BO), Infosys (INFY.BO) and Wipro (WIPR.BO) stand to gain contracts worth about $1 billion in the next one or two years as U.S. banks emerge from the troubled asset relief program, the Economic Times reported on Monday.

Kraft weighs higher Cadbury bid as rivals circle: source

Kraft Foods Inc may raise its offer for British chocolatier Cadbury Plc or offer more cash in its bid if rival takeover offers emerge, a source familiar with the situation said on Sunday.

توقف موجة انخفاض الاسهم الاوروبية مع صعود أسهم النفط والتعدين

ارتفعت أسعار الاسهم الاوروبية في التعاملات المبكرة يوم الاثنين لتتوقف موجة انخفاض استمرت أربعة أيام مع ارتفاع أسهم شركات النفط والتعدين.وفي الساعة 0806 بتوقيت غرينتش ارتفع مؤشر يوروفرست لاسهم كبرى الشركات الاوروبية 1.1 بالمئة الى 1014.27 نقطة.

Politics

سياسة

Pakistani forces attack Taliban in NW, kill 22

Pakistani security forces backed by tanks and artillery attacked Taliban positions in the northwest of the country, killing 22 militants, a senior police official on Monday.

AFP: At least 21 dead in Philippine 'political massacre'

At least 21 people among a group of local politicians and journalists were killed in the southern Philippines on Monday shortly after being abducted, the military said.

Sudan delays elections by six days

Sudan on Sunday announced a six-day delay to long-awaited elections to make up for hold-ups in registering millions of voters in the oil-producing country.

Japan leans towards buying F-35 fighter jet: media

Japan's defense ministry is moving toward selecting Lockheed Martin Corp's (LMT.N) F-35 jet as the mainstay of its next-generation fighter force, Kyodo news agency reported on Monday, citing ministry sources.

Iraqi parliament fails to reach election deal

The Iraqi parliament on Sunday failed to resolve an impasse threatening to delay the country's election in January, which could affect the U.S. military's plans for a partial pullout next year.

Sports

رياضة

Federer, Murray win Tour Finals openers

Roger Federer blazed past Fernando Verdasco after an early stumble on Sunday while Andy Murray marked the start of London's five-year hosting of the ATP Tour Finals with a three-set victory over Juan Martin del Potro.

Henry considered quitting over handball scandal: report

Thierry Henry considered ending his France career over the uproar that surrounded the striker's blatant handball in last week's World Cup playoff victory over Ireland.

اليوم السابع | الجزائرى سعيود فى الطريق إلى ليرس البلجيكى

وافقت لجنة الكرة بالنادى الأهلى برئاسة حسن حمدى على العرض الذى تقدم به نادى ليرس البلجيكى أمس الأحد للحصول على خدمات اللاعب الجزائرى أمير سعيود.

أبو تريكة قد يغيب عن منتخب مصر بمنافسات أمم أفريقيا

أعلن النادي الأهلي المصري الأحد، أن نجم فريقه الأول لكرة القدم محمد أبو تريكة، سوف يبتعد عن الملاعب لمدة تصل إلى شهرين، بسبب إصابته بـ"شرخ" في إحدى قدميه.

إكبيبا : معنويات المصريين انخفضت .. تيكو : المفاجآت واردة

توقع النجم النيجيري فيكتور إكبيبا الفائز بلقب أفضل لاعب إفريقي عام 1997 تأثر مستوى منتخب مصر بخروجه من تصفيات المونديال في بطولة كأس الأمم الإفريقية أنجولا 2010.

كرة طائرة - فريق جزائري ينسحب من البطولة العربية بالقاهرة

قرر فريق المجمع الرياضي النفطي الجزائري الانسحاب من البطولة العربية للكرة الطائرة التي ستقام في مصر في الفترة من 3 إلى 12 ديسمبر المقبل.

‮الدوري الانجليزي: توتنهام يمطر شباك ويجان بتسعة أهداف‬

حقق توتنهام فوزا ساحقا على ضيفه ويجان اتلتيك بعدما تغلب عليه بتسعة اهداف لهدف أمس الأحد في ختام في المرحلة الثالثة عشرة من الدوري الانجليزي الممتاز لكرة القدم.

Miscellaneous

متنوعة

Dark ocean depths home to exotic, unknown life

The permanent darkness of the ocean depths is home to a far greater range of animals, from luminous jellyfish to tubeworms that live off oil seeping from the seabed, than previously thought, scientists said on Sunday.

Art collector finds Galileo's lost tooth, fingers

An art collector has found a tooth, thumb and finger of the renowned Italian scientist Galileo Galilei who died in the 17th century, Florence's History of Science museum said on Friday.

Soviet Union's non-Communist astronaut dies age 83

The Soviet Union's only non-Communist astronaut, Konstantin Feoktistov, has died at the age of 83, Russia's space agency said on Sunday.

Death and Social Networking

Ever wondered what happens to Facebook profiles when their owner dies? As we previously reported, the social networking giant implements memorial pages.

China families protest mine disaster, toll hits 104

Relatives of victims of a gas blast at a northeast Chinese coal mine scuffled with police and demanded answers from the owners on Monday as state media put the toll from the latest in a series of mine disasters at 104.

إنتاج أول طائرة مقاتلة باكستانية

صرح مصدر رسمي باكستاني الأحد بأن أول طائرة مقاتلة حديثة متعددة المهام من طراز ثاندر جيه إف- 17 (رعد جيه إف-17) أنتجت في مجمع الصناعات الجوية الباكستاني كامرا سوف تنطلق اليوم الاثنين.

Culture

ثقافة

اليوم السابع | سلسلة روائع الأدب العالمى تستأنف صدورها

أعادت الدار المصرية اللبنانية إصدار سلسلتها "روائع الأدب العالمى فى كبسولة" بكتابين جديدين، وهى السلسلة التى كان يشرف عليها الراحل مختار السويفى، وأصدرت من خلالها سبعة أجزاء قبل توقفها.

اليوم السابع | "آسفة أرفض أن تكونى أمى" كتاب عن علاقة الفتاة بأمها

ضمن سلسلة الثقافة النفسية للأسرة، الصادرة عن مؤسسة شمس للنشر والإعلام بالقاهرة؛ يصدر هذا الأسبوع كتاب "آسفة.. أرفض أن تكونى أمي" فى 90 صفحة من القطع المتوسط.


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#21502 From: Agnieszka Metwaly <ati_metwaly@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:30 am
Subject: Re: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action/Savages or Humans? 		ati_metwaly
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Hello,

 

Unfortunately, as Djehanne says, today football is used “to divert our interest from more important issues”. There is lots of bitter truth in it.

 

In addition to Tarek’s post: of course we must not forget all the actual madness and humiliation which happened around this match… There is no excuse. I also think  FIFA should take some actions as it was doing in the history.

 

However, back to Djehanne’s point, when I try to take a distance from those terrible facts (not undermining them in any way), I realize sadly, very sadly, that it is only a football match and many terrible events that took place around it, that speak to Egyptian hearts. Demonstrations, lots of sharp and fully justified statements against the “enemy” or the “evil”, persistence in getting some kind of compensation… all those elements are great! Chapeau to all Egyptians fighting hard for it.

BUT:

Maybe next time Egyptians would start fighting for: stopping all the terrible things happening inside our country! When taken from this angle, it is very sad that we fight against humiliations experienced during and after the football match, but when it comes to daily life humiliations taken by all of us silently (should I say: “happily”?) coming from the nonsense system, corruption, ridiculous life standards etc etc etc – the list would be endless and would simply point at everything that’s against decent life of humans – somehow we do not demonstrate for days, we do not shout for days, we do not take actions, somehow our powers are not used to their extremes… I’m not saying that since we take our Egyptian destiny “happily” we should close our eyes on those “Middle Age savage actions” (very well said Meto) which followed the match but what I’m saying is that there are many reasons around us, touching us as human beings, standing against our dignity and life quality, that we must not forget about; and actions should be taken in those aspects as well – with same passion and same strength. Essence or a base for this “opposition power” is valid (a football match and its “aftermath”) but too bad this is the only arena where we strongly demonstrate our nationalistic passion defending basic human values. –that’s possibly a part of Djehanne’s thinking… Don’t weep, take action should have a much broader meaning.

Yes, attention has been successfully diverted. And the saddest thing is that… it will continue being diverted…

 

That was just a thought…

 

Ati

 
 
 

 

P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, no_one no_where <egyptomania2008@...> wrote:


From: no_one no_where <egyptomania2008@...>
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action/Savages or Humans?
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:45 AM

 
I don't know if this would have any effect or even worth sharing but I thought I will do it and leave it to the moderator to decide if it has value or not,
 
Rou you have all the right to pass or reject this email.
 
The branch of our company (A Saudi Company) in Algeria sent us an email asking to be circulated to all users, that they are totally against what happened in Sudan and they personally apologize to all "Egyptians" on the "shameful actions" that took place, hoping that this will not disrupt the family bondage that The Egyptians and Algerians have.. The mail was sent in Arabic, English and French!
 
On Another note, an Algerian friend of mine who is now living in Dubai and who I have known for years, sent me yesterday the following SMS, below is the English translation of the original French text:
 
"Good Morning Meto. I hope all this madness surrounding our countries will not affect our friendship that I treasuer. Thank God I am not into Politics or Football which I believe separate and discriminate rather than develop and unite people. I really treasure you. Have a nice day and hope to see you soon in Egypt or Algeria :)"
 
Well, I can't help but feel that within all this "Savage Middle Age Like Frenzy" as I insist on calling it, some "human beings still exist"
 
Have a nice day
 
Meto


Endless Passion


http://tulipinthede sert.blogspot. com


From: "energizre@yahoo. com" <energizre@yahoo. com>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 4:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Dear Djehanne,

i don't recall anyone saying anything about Losing.. we lost.. and algeria put up a good game, i personally admit to that.. on the tactical level , but outside soccer.. i do not think that you are asking us to be civilized while the other party, disrespected you and your officials.. and chased your civilians in the streets of another country with knives , daggers and pocket knives.. excuse me but its not about the loss.. can you tell me why do you attack someone after you've won ? can you explain why , when the egyptian official went to shake hands with the algerian counter part during a press conference after the leader of a 3rd country "Al Bashir " had sat with them and told them  this is not right what's going on and you are brothers and so on , and they both agreed, and when the egyptian official during the press conference went to shake his hand.. he left and didn't appear on the scene.. and appeared only after the egyptian official was not there anymore..  

i think Djehanne..you' re missing other facts no one is talking about the game anymore.. the protests for the Fifa are legitimate and which any other country would have asked for normally.. but is it because we are the ones asking..

I really wonder how we Egyptians have the ability to be against our own nation.. if another country says we've fabricated news.. we blame us , no one actually tries to find out anything about the truth..perhaps if you were chased down one of the alleys in Sudan or even enough to see a knife raised against you.. i wonder would you still say it's because we've lost ?

Sincerly yours..
 
"The wind blows words and thoughts across the world through out the skies to reach the minds and hearts of those who wait for the wind when it blows.."



Tarek Refaat


From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@ yahoo.co. uk>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 2:58:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Dear All,
I think that we're taking this out of hand.  At the end of the day it's just a match, nothing really vital.  Even if football means the world to many egyptians, we all know that it's a tool used to divert our interest from more important issues.
So, I think this mobilization of different people to vote for disqualifying algeria from FIFA shows how sore loosers we are, which I think is not very civilized.
Instead of focusing our efforts to actually disqualify another Arab country (and aren't we - Egyptians - the ones who talk about Arab unity?) from the world cup, we should actually focus on acting in a more mature fashion, and not limit our views to trivialities.
Why do we always preach what we don't do?  Why do we always let our emotions get ahead of us and react upon irrational issues that are based on nothing but simply being upset for loosing.... I mean, at the end of the day a game is just a game, and we should be good sports, if we loose, there will be other matches, and it's not a fight really.
 
 
Anyway,
this was just my opinion.
 
Have a beatiful afternoon,
enjoy the rest of the day,
and hope the weather doesn't get much colder ;)
 

 

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: PTP <Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 9:07:37
Subject: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Hi All,

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the masacares that took place.

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

Monir

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it
 
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
 
 

 
 




this is the FIFA link

http://www.fifa. com/contact/form.html

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.
 

1-


We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-


Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa


and here is how you do it:

1- in the first MCQ, choose 

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube.. com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit









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#21501 From: Nahla El-Shaarawy <my_own_rhythm@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:45 am
Subject: Re: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action/Savages or Humans? 		my_own_rhythm
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Hi Meto,
 
Why do you think the moderator would reject this email or has the right to?
 
I have been following the news like a mad person for the past couple of days and my question is: why are we only publishing all the violent and ugly dose? why is no one showing what is going on on the other side? this is only making people mad with rage, anger and hate and will only lead to war!
 
I am very ashamed of all what is happening and God! everybody lost their mind.
 
A big group (that is not representing all the Algerian nation in my point of view - your email below supports my thought I guess) acted like savages, and Egyptians full of rage attacked back with - so far - a hateful media campaign and youtube videos and photos on facebook that do not indicate a source or proof.
 
For example a photo of the Algerian national football team TShirt along with knives / money / and other white weapons with a comment saying "people, see what the Algerian government distributed to the public before the match?" and then a whole lot of hateful messages as a reply to this photo, cursing the land of Algeria, Algerians, and all Algerian descendants till judgment day!
 
I can easily take a similar photo but with the Egyptian team Tshirt and say the same about Egyptian government and post it in Algeria, can't I? Wasn't unreliable information on Algeria side the reason for all of this to start with? (the false incident of the Algerian national team bus, the Algerian national newspapers headlines of 9 Algerians killed in Egypt after the match and this ridiculous story of the Algerian girl that Egyptians harassed in the middle of the stadium!)
 
I share the same feelings of anger and hate and shame to what happened to the Egyptians in Sudan and definitely want serious measures taken by our government as a reaction for this, but I only believe that we need a reliable, accurate and serious investigation in what happened without any hatefull manipulation to the people from the media, on both sides, so that we end this situation - without more shame - for God's sake .. for humanity sake!
 
Rabbena yehdeena gamee3an.
 
 
 


--- On Mon, 11/23/09, no_one no_where <egyptomania2008@...> wrote:

From: no_one no_where <egyptomania2008@...>
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action/Savages or Humans?
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 9:45 AM

 
I don't know if this would have any effect or even worth sharing but I thought I will do it and leave it to the moderator to decide if it has value or not,
 
Rou you have all the right to pass or reject this email.
 
The branch of our company (A Saudi Company) in Algeria sent us an email asking to be circulated to all users, that they are totally against what happened in Sudan and they personally apologize to all "Egyptians" on the "shameful actions" that took place, hoping that this will not disrupt the family bondage that The Egyptians and Algerians have. The mail was sent in Arabic, English and French!
 
On Another note, an Algerian friend of mine who is now living in Dubai and who I have known for years, sent me yesterday the following SMS, below is the English translation of the original French text:
 
"Good Morning Meto. I hope all this madness surrounding our countries will not affect our friendship that I treasuer. Thank God I am not into Politics or Football which I believe separate and discriminate rather than develop and unite people. I really treasure you. Have a nice day and hope to see you soon in Egypt or Algeria :)"
 
Well, I can't help but feel that within all this "Savage Middle Age Like Frenzy" as I insist on calling it, some "human beings still exist"
 
Have a nice day
 
Meto


Endless Passion


http://tulipinthede sert.blogspot. com


From: "energizre@yahoo. com" <energizre@yahoo. com>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 4:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Dear Djehanne,

i don't recall anyone saying anything about Losing.. we lost.. and algeria put up a good game, i personally admit to that.. on the tactical level , but outside soccer.. i do not think that you are asking us to be civilized while the other party, disrespected you and your officials.. and chased your civilians in the streets of another country with knives , daggers and pocket knives.. excuse me but its not about the loss.. can you tell me why do you attack someone after you've won ? can you explain why , when the egyptian official went to shake hands with the algerian counter part during a press conference after the leader of a 3rd country "Al Bashir " had sat with them and told them  this is not right what's going on and you are brothers and so on , and they both agreed, and when the egyptian official during the press conference went to shake his hand.. he left and didn't appear on the scene.. and appeared only after the egyptian official was not there anymore..  

i think Djehanne..you' re missing other facts no one is talking about the game anymore.. the protests for the Fifa are legitimate and which any other country would have asked for normally.. but is it because we are the ones asking..

I really wonder how we Egyptians have the ability to be against our own nation.. if another country says we've fabricated news.. we blame us , no one actually tries to find out anything about the truth..perhaps if you were chased down one of the alleys in Sudan or even enough to see a knife raised against you.. i wonder would you still say it's because we've lost ?

Sincerly yours..
 
"The wind blows words and thoughts across the world through out the skies to reach the minds and hearts of those who wait for the wind when it blows.."



Tarek Refaat


From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@ yahoo.co. uk>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 2:58:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Dear All,
I think that we're taking this out of hand.  At the end of the day it's just a match, nothing really vital.  Even if football means the world to many egyptians, we all know that it's a tool used to divert our interest from more important issues.
So, I think this mobilization of different people to vote for disqualifying algeria from FIFA shows how sore loosers we are, which I think is not very civilized.
Instead of focusing our efforts to actually disqualify another Arab country (and aren't we - Egyptians - the ones who talk about Arab unity?) from the world cup, we should actually focus on acting in a more mature fashion, and not limit our views to trivialities.
Why do we always preach what we don't do?  Why do we always let our emotions get ahead of us and react upon irrational issues that are based on nothing but simply being upset for loosing.... I mean, at the end of the day a game is just a game, and we should be good sports, if we loose, there will be other matches, and it's not a fight really.
 
 
Anyway,
this was just my opinion.
 
Have a beatiful afternoon,
enjoy the rest of the day,
and hope the weather doesn't get much colder ;)
 

 

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: PTP <Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 9:07:37
Subject: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 
Hi All,

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the masacares that took place.

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

Monir

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it
 
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
 
 

 
 




this is the FIFA link

http://www.fifa. com/contact/form.html

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.
 

1-


We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-


Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa


and here is how you do it:

1- in the first MCQ, choose 

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit









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#21500 From: "Nezar Shehabuddeen" <nezars@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:51 am
Subject: RE: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action 		supernezar
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Well, I can see that you’re too missing some important points Tarek, since you’re wondering about the motives of Algerian fanatics. While we all disagree with their behavior and request for punishment, we must admit that our media and fanatics were the source and the spark of the high charge that moved hundreds of Algerians to avenge their wounded brothers and sisters, and before all, their dignity.

 

Overall, both sides made fatal mistakes. It might be that one side had went farther than the other, but it wouldn’t have made any difference if it had been an equally-quantified response, that is, if they only wounded as many people as we are believed to have wounded. Incidents in both countries must be investigated and calmly acted upon, without affecting the relation between both countries. And remember that those knives didn’t kill or even seriously wound anyone, all 21 injuries were superficial, as per the Egyptian health ministry report, so we shouldn’t overreact.

 

Eloquent

 

From: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of energizre@...
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 17:09
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

 

Dear Djehanne,

 

i don't recall anyone saying anything about Losing.. we lost.. and algeria put up a good game, i personally admit to that.. on the tactical level , but outside soccer.. i do not think that you are asking us to be civilized while the other party, disrespected you and your officials.. and chased your civilians in the streets of another country with knives , daggers and pocket knives.. excuse me but its not about the loss.. can you tell me why do you attack someone after you've won ? can you explain why , when the egyptian official went to shake hands with the algerian counter part during a press conference after the leader of a 3rd country "Al Bashir " had sat with them and told them  this is not right what's going on and you are brothers and so on , and they both agreed, and when the egyptian official during the press conference went to shake his hand.. he left and didn't appear on the scene.. and appeared only after the egyptian official was not there anymore..  

 

i think Djehanne..you're missing other facts no one is talking about the game anymore.. the protests for the Fifa are legitimate and which any other country would have asked for normally.. but is it because we are the ones asking..

 

I really wonder how we Egyptians have the ability to be against our own nation.. if another country says we've fabricated news.. we blame us , no one actually tries to find out anything about the truth..perhaps if you were chased down one of the alleys in Sudan or even enough to see a knife raised against you.. i wonder would you still say it's because we've lost ?

 

Sincerly yours..
 

"The wind blows words and thoughts across the world through out the skies to reach the minds and hearts of those who wait for the wind when it blows.."

 

Tarek Refaat

 

 

From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@...>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 2:58:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

Dear All,

I think that we're taking this out of hand.  At the end of the day it's just a match, nothing really vital.  Even if football means the world to many egyptians, we all know that it's a tool used to divert our interest from more important issues.

So, I think this mobilization of different people to vote for disqualifying algeria from FIFA shows how sore loosers we are, which I think is not very civilized.

Instead of focusing our efforts to actually disqualify another Arab country (and aren't we - Egyptians - the ones who talk about Arab unity?) from the world cup, we should actually focus on acting in a more mature fashion, and not limit our views to trivialities.

Why do we always preach what we don't do?  Why do we always let our emotions get ahead of us and react upon irrational issues that are based on nothing but simply being upset for loosing.... I mean, at the end of the day a game is just a game, and we should be good sports, if we loose, there will be other matches, and it's not a fight really.

 

 

Anyway,

this was just my opinion.

 

Have a beatiful afternoon,

enjoy the rest of the day,

and hope the weather doesn't get much colder ;)

 


 

 

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: PTP <Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 9:07:37
Subject: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

Hi All,

 

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

 

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the masacares that took place.

 

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

 

Monir

 

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it
 

"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."

Course in Miracles

 

www.the-vision. net

 

 

 

 

 

 

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

 

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.

 

1-


We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-


Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa


and here is how you do it:

 

1- in the first MCQ, choose 

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit

 

 

 

 


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#21499 From: no_one no_where <egyptomania2008@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:45 am
Subject: Re: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action/Savages or Humans? 		egyptomania2008
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I don't know if this would have any effect or even worth sharing but I thought I will do it and leave it to the moderator to decide if it has value or not,
 
Rou you have all the right to pass or reject this email.
 
The branch of our company (A Saudi Company) in Algeria sent us an email asking to be circulated to all users, that they are totally against what happened in Sudan and they personally apologize to all "Egyptians" on the "shameful actions" that took place, hoping that this will not disrupt the family bondage that The Egyptians and Algerians have. The mail was sent in Arabic, English and French!
 
On Another note, an Algerian friend of mine who is now living in Dubai and who I have known for years, sent me yesterday the following SMS, below is the English translation of the original French text:
 
"Good Morning Meto. I hope all this madness surrounding our countries will not affect our friendship that I treasuer. Thank God I am not into Politics or Football which I believe separate and discriminate rather than develop and unite people. I really treasure you. Have a nice day and hope to see you soon in Egypt or Algeria :)"
 
Well, I can't help but feel that within all this "Savage Middle Age Like Frenzy" as I insist on calling it, some "human beings still exist"
 
Have a nice day
 
Meto


Endless Passion


http://tulipinthedesert.blogspot.com


From: "energizre@..." <energizre@...>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 4:09:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

Dear Djehanne,

i don't recall anyone saying anything about Losing.. we lost.. and algeria put up a good game, i personally admit to that.. on the tactical level , but outside soccer.. i do not think that you are asking us to be civilized while the other party, disrespected you and your officials.. and chased your civilians in the streets of another country with knives , daggers and pocket knives.. excuse me but its not about the loss.. can you tell me why do you attack someone after you've won ? can you explain why , when the egyptian official went to shake hands with the algerian counter part during a press conference after the leader of a 3rd country "Al Bashir " had sat with them and told them  this is not right what's going on and you are brothers and so on , and they both agreed, and when the egyptian official during the press conference went to shake his hand.. he left and didn't appear on the scene.. and appeared only after the egyptian official was not there anymore..  

i think Djehanne..you' re missing other facts no one is talking about the game anymore.. the protests for the Fifa are legitimate and which any other country would have asked for normally.. but is it because we are the ones asking..

I really wonder how we Egyptians have the ability to be against our own nation.. if another country says we've fabricated news.. we blame us , no one actually tries to find out anything about the truth..perhaps if you were chased down one of the alleys in Sudan or even enough to see a knife raised against you.. i wonder would you still say it's because we've lost ?

Sincerly yours..
 
"The wind blows words and thoughts across the world through out the skies to reach the minds and hearts of those who wait for the wind when it blows.."



Tarek Refaat


From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@ yahoo.co. uk>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 2:58:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

Dear All,
I think that we're taking this out of hand.  At the end of the day it's just a match, nothing really vital.  Even if football means the world to many egyptians, we all know that it's a tool used to divert our interest from more important issues.
So, I think this mobilization of different people to vote for disqualifying algeria from FIFA shows how sore loosers we are, which I think is not very civilized.
Instead of focusing our efforts to actually disqualify another Arab country (and aren't we - Egyptians - the ones who talk about Arab unity?) from the world cup, we should actually focus on acting in a more mature fashion, and not limit our views to trivialities.
Why do we always preach what we don't do?  Why do we always let our emotions get ahead of us and react upon irrational issues that are based on nothing but simply being upset for loosing.... I mean, at the end of the day a game is just a game, and we should be good sports, if we loose, there will be other matches, and it's not a fight really.
 
 
Anyway,
this was just my opinion.
 
Have a beatiful afternoon,
enjoy the rest of the day,
and hope the weather doesn't get much colder ;)
 

 

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: PTP <Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 9:07:37
Subject: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

Hi All,

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the masacares that took place.

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

Monir

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it
 
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
 
 

 
 




this is the FIFA link

http://www.fifa. com/contact/form.html

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.
 

1-


We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-


Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa


and here is how you do it:

1- in the first MCQ, choose 

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit








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#21498 From: mandi fahmy <mandi.mourad@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada 		mandim03
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Thanks, Raghda. It brought tears to my eyes. I don't think the Arab dream is gone. We just need to modify it because the old model, like anything else manmade, was not perfect, and we just need to work on it :-) I will post it on my page in facebook, hope you don't mind.


On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Raghda Salama <rasalamander@...> wrote:


Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada

Raghda Salama
22 November 2009 in Canada, News

OTTAWA: On one university campus in the Canadian capital, Ottawa, Algerian fans cheered their players on toward victory against Egypt in an intense rendezvous that eventually qualified Algeria to compete in the World Cup 2010, next year in South Africa. It was a display of patriotism rarely seen by Canadas Arabs publicly.


On November 18, Egyptian university students in Ottawa mourned the loss, or rather the dream that is yet to be achieved. With powerful chants strong enough to vibrate walls, the Egyptians could not help but continue chanting their chants and raising their flags even following the national teams 1-0 loss to Algeria in Sudan. The plan was to celebrate and to chant, win or lose, the students said.


Elsewhere on the university, a group of Egyptian students decided to join the Algerian students in their celebrations. Words of congratulations were exchanged. New chants, referring to both Egypt and Algeria were sounded out by the fans, which were accompanied by the traditional tabla drum rhythms. Joining together in what was arguably the most ironic moment, considering the rumors of Egyptians being attacked in Sudan following the match and Egyptian demonstrations that led to violence in Cairo.


In Canada, this seemed not of concern for both Egyptian and Algerian fans, who sang together: Masr! Jazayer or Egypt, Algeria!


Yasmin Abdulgawad, an Egyptian student in Ottawa, said that the motive behind joining the Algerian celebrations was to show them that we are civilized and have a big heart.


Sarra Chalabi, President of the Maghrebian Association at the university, was impressed with the joint support. She stated that she really appreciated it as it was proving it was just a game.


In the joint celebration, hope for better relations between Egypt and Algeria was partly restored. However, the question that yet remains is will this restoration resonate over lands and seas, reaching North Africa?


When asked about future relations between Egypt and Algeria, both Egyptian and Algerian students are concerned about the violence that has surrounded the qualifying matches. Abdulgawad loses her optimism. saying that these violent events are going to be the trigger for realizing that the Arab dream is gone. She expressed her disdain towards dragging international relations into the sport.


On a similar note, Chalabi condemned the violence surrounding the matches. In acknowledging that Egyptian-Algerian diplomatic relations have been threatened, she acknowledges that Algerians do not want any Egyptian or Egyptian company in Algeria anymore and believes Egyptians feel the same way towards their Algerian counterparts.


Both students admit, however, that Ottawa has not been impacted by the violence, although all have been emotionally influenced by the events. Relatively peaceful relations between Egyptian and Algerian university students in Ottawa are expected to continue despite the violent protests in North Africa.


BM


You can find this article here:

http://bikyamasr.com/?p=5951

http://raghdasalama.blogspot.com/2009/11/egyptians-algerians-celebrate-together.html







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#21497 From: Raghda Salama <rasalamander@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:26 pm
Subject: Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada 		rasalamander
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Egyptians, Algerians celebrate together in Canada

Raghda Salama
  22 November 2009 in Canada, News

OTTAWA: On one university campus in the Canadian capital, Ottawa, Algerian fans cheered their players on toward victory against Egypt in an intense rendezvous that eventually qualified Algeria to compete in the World Cup 2010, next year in South Africa. It was a display of patriotism rarely seen by Canada’s Arabs publicly.


On November 18, Egyptian university students in Ottawa mourned the loss, or rather the dream that is yet to be achieved. With powerful chants strong enough to vibrate walls, the Egyptians could not help but continue chanting their chants and raising their flags even following the national team’s 1-0 loss to Algeria in Sudan. The plan was to celebrate and to chant, win or lose, the students said.


Elsewhere on the university, a group of Egyptian students decided to join the Algerian students in their celebrations. Words of congratulations were exchanged. New chants, referring to both Egypt and Algeria were sounded out by the fans, which were accompanied by the traditional tabla drum rhythms. Joining together in what was arguably the most ironic moment, considering the rumors of Egyptians being attacked in Sudan following the match and Egyptian demonstrations that led to violence in Cairo.


In Canada, this seemed not of concern for both Egyptian and Algerian fans, who sang together: “Masr! Jazayer” or “Egypt, Algeria!”


Yasmin Abdulgawad, an Egyptian student in Ottawa, said that the motive behind joining the Algerian celebrations was “to show them that we are civilized and have a big heart.”


Sarra Chalabi, President of the Maghrebian Association at the university, was “impressed” with the joint support. She stated that she “really appreciated it as it was proving it was just a game.”


In the joint celebration, hope for better relations between Egypt and Algeria was partly restored. However, the question that yet remains is will this restoration resonate over lands and seas, reaching North Africa?


When asked about future relations between Egypt and Algeria, both Egyptian and Algerian students are concerned about the violence that has surrounded the qualifying matches. Abdulgawad loses her optimism. saying that these violent events are “going to be the trigger for realizing that the Arab dream is gone.” She expressed her disdain towards dragging international relations into the sport.


On a similar note, Chalabi condemned the violence surrounding the matches. In acknowledging that Egyptian-Algerian diplomatic relations have been threatened, she acknowledges that “Algerians do not want any Egyptian or Egyptian company in Algeria anymore” and believes Egyptians feel the same way towards their Algerian counterparts.


Both students admit, however, that Ottawa has not been impacted by the violence, although all have been emotionally influenced by the events. Relatively peaceful relations between Egyptian and Algerian university students in Ottawa are expected to continue despite the violent protests in North Africa.


BM


You can find this article here:

http://bikyamasr.com/?p=5951

http://raghdasalama.blogspot.com/2009/11/egyptians-algerians-celebrate-together.html



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#21496 From: energizre@...
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action 		energizre
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Dear Djehanne,

i don't recall anyone saying anything about Losing.. we lost.. and algeria put up a good game, i personally admit to that.. on the tactical level , but outside soccer.. i do not think that you are asking us to be civilized while the other party, disrespected you and your officials.. and chased your civilians in the streets of another country with knives , daggers and pocket knives.. excuse me but its not about the loss.. can you tell me why do you attack someone after you've won ? can you explain why , when the egyptian official went to shake hands with the algerian counter part during a press conference after the leader of a 3rd country "Al Bashir " had sat with them and told them  this is not right what's going on and you are brothers and so on , and they both agreed, and when the egyptian official during the press conference went to shake his hand.. he left and didn't appear on the scene.. and appeared only after the egyptian official was not there anymore..  

i think Djehanne..you're missing other facts no one is talking about the game anymore.. the protests for the Fifa are legitimate and which any other country would have asked for normally.. but is it because we are the ones asking..

I really wonder how we Egyptians have the ability to be against our own nation.. if another country says we've fabricated news.. we blame us , no one actually tries to find out anything about the truth..perhaps if you were chased down one of the alleys in Sudan or even enough to see a knife raised against you.. i wonder would you still say it's because we've lost ?

Sincerly yours..
 
"The wind blows words and thoughts across the world through out the skies to reach the minds and hearts of those who wait for the wind when it blows.."



Tarek Refaat


From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@...>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 2:58:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

Dear All,
I think that we're taking this out of hand.  At the end of the day it's just a match, nothing really vital.  Even if football means the world to many egyptians, we all know that it's a tool used to divert our interest from more important issues.
So, I think this mobilization of different people to vote for disqualifying algeria from FIFA shows how sore loosers we are, which I think is not very civilized.
Instead of focusing our efforts to actually disqualify another Arab country (and aren't we - Egyptians - the ones who talk about Arab unity?) from the world cup, we should actually focus on acting in a more mature fashion, and not limit our views to trivialities.
Why do we always preach what we don't do?  Why do we always let our emotions get ahead of us and react upon irrational issues that are based on nothing but simply being upset for loosing.... I mean, at the end of the day a game is just a game, and we should be good sports, if we loose, there will be other matches, and it's not a fight really.
 
 
Anyway,
this was just my opinion.
 
Have a beatiful afternoon,
enjoy the rest of the day,
and hope the weather doesn't get much colder ;)
 

 

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@yahoo. com>
To: PTP <Pen_Temple_Pilots@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 9:07:37
Subject: [Pen_Temple_ Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

Hi All,

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the masacares that took place.

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

Monir

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it
 
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
 
 

 
 




this is the FIFA link

http://www.fifa. com/contact/form.html

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.
 

1-


We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-


Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa


and here is how you do it:

1- in the first MCQ, choose 

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit







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#21495 From: PTP Book Discussion Team <book_discussion_team@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:41 pm
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Dear All,

Looking forward to seeing all those who have confirmed attending tomorrow's book discussion of The Spider (Al 3ankabout) by Mostafa Mahmoud at Shourok book store Mohandessein:

Shorook bookstore is off El-Batal Ahmed AbdelAziz Street. 26 Mohamed Kamel St.

Drive straight with your back to Gam3et el dowal street, and take the first right after Mobil (with On The Run) Station. Park immediately! Shorook Bookstore is the first corner on your right.


Book Discussion Team



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#21494 From: Rehab Ragaee <ra7oob@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: Cairo Walk( Imam Shafei Mosque) - Coptic Walk Suggestion 		ra7oob
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Dear Mirvat, Timur and All,
 
Apparently the walk went great and I missed a lot with not attending it. Timur is a treasure of knowledge and it's always expected that his walks are informative and interesting.
 
As for the Coptic Cairo walk suggestion, PTP is already planning for one soon, so stay tuned for next month's schedule! ;)
 
Have a good day,
 
 
--
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--- On Sun, 11/22/09, MirvatI <mirvatibrahim@...> wrote:

From: MirvatI <mirvatibrahim@...>
Subject: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Cairo Walk( Imam Shafei Mosque)
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 1:57 PM

 
Dear Taymour
I really admire your effort and thank you greatly on all the new informations we learned yesterday.

Looking forward to do more informative trips and I suggest to do something about Coptic Cairo.

Keep up the good work.

Mirvat Ibrahim.



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Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:24 pm
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#21492 From: Alia Mossallam <aliamossallam@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: Asef Bayat on Tuesday 		alia_mossallam
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I'm currently reading and enjoying this book, and really excited about the talk!

Hope to see you there ba2a..

all things warm,
alia



American University in Cairo Middle East Studies Center The Middle East Studies Center has the pleasure to announce the talk held by:

Dr. Asef Bayat


"Life as politics: How Ordinary People Change the Middle East"



Dr. Asef Bayat is professor of Sociology and Middle East studies, Chair in Society and Culture of Modern Middle East, Leiden University, The Netherlands.

Tuesday, November 24
AUC Downtown Oriental Hall

Refreshments will be served

6:30-8:30 PM

Date/heure:mardi 24 novembre 2009 18:30
Lieu:AUC Downtown Oriental Hall


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Director of the Middle East Studies Center
HUSS Building, Office #: 2178
School of Public Affairs
Tel: +202.26151750
The American University in Cairo

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#21491 From: karim badr <karim_badr_251@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: Cairo Walk( Imam Shafei Mosque) 		karim_badr_251
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Dear Timur

I would like to thank you a lot for this amazing walk tour ,,
and the information you gave to us yesterday ,,, you reminded me
of a lot of time i spent in the past reading this things and there were
a lot of information i forgot ,, thanks for your presentation yesterday
which reminded me of a lot of things and added new information for all of us ..

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From: MirvatI <mirvatibrahim@...>
To: Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 4:57:44
Subject: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Cairo Walk( Imam Shafei Mosque)

 

Dear Taymour
I really admire your effort and thank you greatly on all the new informations we learned yesterday.

Looking forward to do more informative trips and I suggest to do something about Coptic Cairo.

Keep up the good work.

Mirvat Ibrahim.



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#21490 From: Djehanne Cherif <djehanne_cherif@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action 		djehanne_cherif
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Dear All,
I think that we're taking this out of hand.  At the end of the day it's just a match, nothing really vital.  Even if football means the world to many egyptians, we all know that it's a tool used to divert our interest from more important issues.
So, I think this mobilization of different people to vote for disqualifying algeria from FIFA shows how sore loosers we are, which I think is not very civilized.
Instead of focusing our efforts to actually disqualify another Arab country (and aren't we - Egyptians - the ones who talk about Arab unity?) from the world cup, we should actually focus on acting in a more mature fashion, and not limit our views to trivialities.
Why do we always preach what we don't do?  Why do we always let our emotions get ahead of us and react upon irrational issues that are based on nothing but simply being upset for loosing.... I mean, at the end of the day a game is just a game, and we should be good sports, if we loose, there will be other matches, and it's not a fight really.
 
 
Anyway,
this was just my opinion.
 
Have a beatiful afternoon,
enjoy the rest of the day,
and hope the weather doesn't get much colder ;)
 

 

From: Monir El.Shazly <Monir12@...>
To: PTP <Pen_Temple_Pilots@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, 22 November, 2009 9:07:37
Subject: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action

 

Hi All,

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the masacares that took place.

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

Monir

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it
 
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
 
 

 
 




this is the FIFA link

http://www.fifa. com/contact/form.html

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.
 

1-


We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-


Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa


and here is how you do it:

1- in the first MCQ, choose 

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube. com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit






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#21489 From: "MirvatI" <mirvatibrahim@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:57 pm
Subject: Cairo Walk( Imam Shafei Mosque) 		mirvatibrahim
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Dear Taymour
I really admire your effort and thank you greatly on all the new informations we
learned yesterday.

Looking forward to do more informative trips and I suggest to do something about
Coptic Cairo.

Keep up the good work.

Mirvat Ibrahim.

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#21488 From: "PTP News Team" <ptpnewsteam@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:57 am
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Business

إقتصاد و أعمال

BBC News - Hershey considering $17bn bid for Cadbury - reports

US chocolate maker Hershey is considering launching a solo bid of at least $17bn (£10bn) for British firm Cadbury, according to reports.

BBC News - Dutch car maker plans move to UK

A luxury sports car maker based in the Netherlands has announced it is moving an assembly plant to Coventry

البورصة تتراجع 7.6% الأسبوع الماضى

أظهر التقرير الأسبوعى للبورصة أن سوق الأوراق المالية شهد تراجعًا خلال تعاملات الأسبوع الثالث من خلال تعاملات نوفمبر، وتراجع مؤشر EGX 30 الأسبوع الماضى ليغلق عند مستوى 6195 نقطة مسجلا تراجعًًا بلغ 7.6 %

Politics

سياسة

Thousands march for, against Nicaraguan government

Tens of thousands of people, government protesters and supporters alike, demonstrated Saturday in the Nicaraguan capital of Managua.

‮الرئيس اللبناني يدعو إلى إلغاء الطائفية السياسية‬

قال الرئيس اللبناني ميشال سليمان إن بناء الدولة في لبنان "يبرز الحاجة إلى تشكيل هيئة لإلغاء الطائفية السياسية في البلاد"، لكنه شدد في الوقت ذاته على أن إقرار ذلك "يتطلب توافقا وطنيا".

غارات إسرائيلية على القطاع و705 قتيلا وجريحا ضحايا "الأنفاق"

قصفت طائرات حربية إسرائيلية عدة مناطق في قطاع غزة بزعم استهداف مصانع لإنتاج "وسائل قتالية"، ما أدى إلى إصابة سبعة فلسطينيين بجروح، فيما كشفت مصادر فلسطينية أن عدد قتلى الأنفاق إلى بلغ أكثر من 130، فيما أصيب أكثر من 575 فلسطينيًّا منذ عام 2006.

مقتل 3 جنود سعوديين وصد محاولات الحوثيين للسيطرة على ميناء "ميدي"

كشفت مصادر إعلامية أن البحرية السعودية أحبطت مخططاً لاستيلاء المتمردين الحوثيين على ميناء بحري على الساحل الشمالي لليمن، فيما أحبطت القوات السعودية محاولات للتوسع على الشريط الحدودي اليمني السعودي؛ وفي الأثناء أعلن الحوثيون صد زحفين للجيش السعودي بجوار جبل الرميح.

إيطاليا تعتقل باكستانيين على خلفية "تفجيرات مومباي"

أعلنت السلطات الأمنية الإيطالية السبت اعتقال باكستانيين اثنين على خلفية الهجمات الإرهابية التي تعرضت لها مدينة "مومباي" الهندية العام الماضي، والتي أسفرت عن مصرع ما لا يقل عن 160 شخصاً.

Sports

رياضة

Iraq banned from international football

The Iraqi Olympic Committee said Saturday it stands by its decision to disband the country's soccer association -- a move that led to the association's suspension from international football.

‮الدوري الانجليزي: فوز تشلسي وهزيمة ارسنال وتعادل لفربول ‬

عزز تشلسي اللندني السبت صدارته في ترتيب الدوري الانجليزي لكرة القدم بثماني نقاط بفوزه الكبير على ضيفه ولفرهامبتون باربعة اهداف نظيفة، بينما اندحر منافسه المباشر ارسنال امام مضيفه سندرلاند بهدف للاشيء.

Miscellaneous

متنوعة

Google OS: the end of the hard drive?

With a strong focus on speed, the Chrome OS promises nearly instant boot times of about 7 seconds for users to login to their computers.

Swine flu may have hit one peak; more to come

Swine flu may have hit one peak; more to come


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#21487 From: Ptp Games Team <ptpgamesteam@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:29 am
Subject: " The Lost Painting " -upcoming game-what abouts'? 		ptpgamesteam
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Few days count down  to the " lost painting " event ..And here we go with those who need more of elaborative hints to this game

The “ lost Painting “ is a type of  mystery game wrapped in a theme of art wherein the game participant will try to clue who was the one who had done  art theft  ..Simple as it may seem; but the game participant have to go through the game backed up with  alert mind, creativity in performance and manipulation, a little bit of a talent to perform your role best you can some knowledge within art

 

We will enjoy sharing knowledge and enthusiasm for art together with mystery games. If you love mysteries as much as we do, we're sure you'll enjoy

For those who are first time to games team event, this is a chance to get to know PTP in  quite a different context where culture & fun could never be a less parts of our game setting. Even first timers will be talking, laughing and scheming like the best of friends in no time. 

 

 

Be our guests and determine your own fate in the game . How will they handle their enemies? How will they achieve their goals and desires? Their decisions will have consequences! You will find that each and all have their own agendas!

 

 

For confirmation , which we actually have limited place now , please send me off list on margrita7@...  maximum tomorrow to send you your role to be prepared

 

 Last but not least, we would like to remind you of two  things

Venue: Al Andalus Garden, Gezira, Zamalek

Time: 7:30 – 9:30

And on a very important note the date has been changed to Wednesday 25th of November

 PS: Pixstory winner is highly encouraged to come for celebrating them

PTP games team

Culture in fun !



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#21486 From: "Monir El.Shazly" <Monir12@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:07 am
Subject: Positive Wave: Don't Weep, take Action 		monir12
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Hi All,

this is a forward message about a link in the FIFA offecial site, to disqualify Algeria from the world cup.

It is not about reaching the world cup, it is about our image that STRANGELY ENOUGH has been stained, and for the whole world to know the truth about the masacares that took place.

if you like to TAKE ACTION..

Monir

P.s. if you have a better clip than the one I have in here, please share it
 
"Protect what you value the most, by the act of giving it away..."
Course in Miracles
 
 

 
 




this is the FIFA link

http://www.fifa.com/contact/form.html

you can simply send to the FIFA and urge them to disqualify the Algerian team from the world cup, due to lack of sportsmanship.

here are a couple of examples that you could copy and paste.
 

1-


We urge you to disqualify the Algerian team from qualifying to the World Cup because of their lack sports ethics; savagely attacking the Egyptian team and Egyptian Citizens using white weapons and fire bombs. Fair-play is a motto of the FIFA, and sportsmanship is what sport is all about and I hope that FIFA will live up to that motto. Thank you so much

2-


Hey all of you , Fifa Signture is My game is Fair play and what algeria did today in the match with Egypt is not fair play First :they Stormed the field before the match , they destroyed the bus of Egyptian players , they Threatened players and Egyptian people with death Second : they through fire into the field during the match Third : they stopped the Egyptian buses in sudan and hit egyptian people and some of them was killed or Permanently injured so , it was no a fair game and what all we need is to rescue us and rescue what Fifa What are trying to be applied in the spirit of sports Egypt Presented to the world The Best Youth World Cup so you must protect her right to access to the World Cup and re-calculating or outcome of the game in favor of Egyptour game is fair play
thanks Great Fifa


and here is how you do it:

1- in the first MCQ, choose 

Feedback on National Teams' Fixtures and Results

2- in Supject:

Disqualifying the Algerian team from the World Cup

3- don't forget to put the link in the URL place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUZwof4pIUE

4- type down the numbers on the right hand-side (for the FIFA to make sure it is not a computer generated message)

5- Submit





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#21485 From: Noha E <basmala79@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:46 pm
Subject: RE: La Vanguardia & BBC on Egypt vs. Algeria: Mubarak enters row 		try2bmyself
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Salamu alikum,
 
      I dont have an answer for the why part, but i do have comments on they word. Because what happened in khartoum, gave all the sense that it was organized by the government, sending prisoners and criminals to there, by defense planes, so this means that it is a governmental act, and what is for the algerian government in it, this is the question.
 
      Regarding the algerian people, well also, from what i understand , is that they are violent by nature, even against themselves, secondly they were played with as marionettes by the false media claims, with no announcement of the truth by any of their government men. With attacks made against them in Egypt.
 
       Thirdly, let us not forget our own fault, bec all along the story, we gave up our right several times, which made them sure that we will get beaten and forget as usual. Keeping in mind how many times the egyptian rights and humanity were violated several times both inside and outside egypt, with not a finger raised to protest, and stand by their side, the most recent what happened before the match to the egyptains in Algerie, who were rescued by civil efforts or algerian ones, and still the gov refused to let them get back to Egypt, and how our embassy acted in that crisis in sudan inspite of knowing before hand of that crisis coming.
 
 
       I do have one more question, i saw the sites you sent, and they were all highlighting the protests infront of the algerian embassy, with videos, and the commentary on the attacks on the football players and their bus in egypt, and nothing mentioned , not even one video about the terrorism held against egyptians in Sudan. Why are we failing so much to speak out about what happened and show it to others, rather than spending hours and hours talking to each other.
 
Wa 7amdellah 3la elsalama for all egyptians
 
      
 
To: pen_temple_pilots@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:26:10 -0800
Subject: [Pen_Temple_Pilots] La Vanguardia & BBC on Egypt vs. Algeria: Mubarak enters row



Today, La Vanguardia, one of the most famous newspaper in Spain, dedicated a full page to the Egypt Algeria match, saying that a football match has degenerated into a diplomatic war. It said there were hundreds of Egyptian rioters around the Algerian Embassy, and that there were 35 people injured. Moreover, it mentioned that Algerians had set fire to boats and to cars in several French cities like Marseille and Lyon, and that they spread havoc also in the Spanish city of Bilbao.

 

I checked the updates today, and BBC states: Egypts president enters football row. Here is the link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8372202.stm

 

Earlier, I had read the dreadful account of Noble, and I cannot tell you just how angry I amangry and helpless!

Welcome back Noble, and thanks God you are safe!

 

Now comes the most important question: Why do they hate us?

 

Camel





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