http://sidc.oma.be/sunspot-index-graphics/sidc_graphics.php

we enter it.

God's Spirit leads to change

God's Spirit leads to transformation. Added spiritual understanding,
revelation and power lead to something else in the lives of those given
God's Spirit: change.

Paul graphically describes the lives of those who live apart from God's
Spirit: "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality,
impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy,
fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness,
orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like
this will not inherit the kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-21, New
International Version).

Then Paul contrasts this with another way of life:"But the fruit of the
Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law" (verses 22-23).

What do these words mean? Love is concern for the well-being of others. Joy
is "a feeling or state of great delight or happiness, as caused by something
exceptionally good or satisfying . . ." Peace is a condition of harmony and
tranquillity with others, free from anxiety. Long-suffering is patience,
which means bearing provocation, pain or annoyance without complaint.
Kindness is showing considerate, benevolent or compassionate behavior toward
others. Goodness is exhibiting generosity, moral excellence and virtue.
Faithfulness is to be reliable, loyal, trusted and believed. Gentleness is
to be kind, polite and courteous. Self-control is to stay in charge of one's
own thoughts, own actions and feelings.

God's Spirit plays a vital role in our lives. It dwells within Christians,
allowing a miraculous transformation to take place.

Source:
<http://ucg.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1d04480cefc2e7c4492fe4a04&id=ddc99
f1ed1&e=8e3cfb7467> The Holy Spirit: God's Power at Work




Web Articles of Interest



<http://ucg.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1d04480cefc2e7c4492fe4a04&id=531ed
0c190&e=8e3cfb7467> Transforming Your Life: The Process of Conversion
We will examine the Bible's teaching on conversion. Contrary to what many
think, it is not just a one-time event. Instead the Scriptures reveal that
it is a process.The process begins with God's calling, followed by the key
steps of repentance, baptism and the receiving of the Holy Spirit-finally
climaxing with the return of Jesus Christ, when the dead in Christ are
resurrected to immortality and given eternal life. That is the ultimate
transformation, being changed from a mortal to an immortal being!



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9a3c1&e=8e3cfb7467> Bible Study - The Fruit of the Spirit
The fruit of the Spirit reflects the goodness, faithfulness and
self-restraint inherent in God's nature. If His Spirit is in us, these
traits that are the Spirit's fruit should also become fundamental
characteristics of our nature.



<http://ucg.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1d04480cefc2e7c4492fe4a04&id=ff823
7de45&e=8e3cfb7467> God's Spirit: The Power to Transform Your Life
Jesus Christ is cultivating supernatural "fruit" in the lives of His
disciples. To understand that miraculous effect, we must first understand
the awesome cause and ultimate source-the Spirit of God.







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Objet : UCG.org eNews: April 16, 2009 - Character is crucial



…………………………..



Character is crucial

God expects us to build spiritually mature, godly character in this life,
becoming ever more like Him (Matthew 5:48). We build eternal, godly
character by remaining faithful to what is right in spite of pulls to the
contrary. We resist the temptation to do things we know we shouldn't. We
live by faith that God will give us the strength to endure whatever trials
we face in this life. But when we compromise we tear down that character. We
give in. Every time we give in, we find it that much harder to resist giving
in the next time we face temptation.

One of the insidious things about compromise is that it spreads. If we get
away with something once, we find it much easier to try it again next time.
Compromise grows like a cancer. It comes on slowly, then spreads. Before you
know it you can be in a fight for your spiritual life. That is why God says
that, if our actions aren't done in faith or according to faith, if they
violate our conscience, we are sinning.

We need to be sure that what we do is out of faith and confidence that it is
right and acceptable to God—or not do it. We need to be sure our motives are
right and our conscience remains clear in everything we do. For this reason
it is vital that we properly educate our conscience so that it is in
accordance with God's Word, the Bible. It is not within our natural ability
to discern right and wrong (Jeremiah 10:23). We are to learn God's ways that
define right and wrong for us (Hebrews 5:14).

God wants us to live within the boundaries and standards He has set for us,
to change our values, attitudes, thoughts and lives so they are in line with
His standards, not our own. The process of conversion can be simply defined
as replacing our standards, values and thoughts with God's standards, values
and thoughts.



Source:
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--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, "parthenon_agora_usuk"
<mauxion.robert@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Gnosis_diagrams@yahoogroups.com, "palomnik" <strannik@> wrote:
>
>
> May the Lord help you to firmly strengthen yourself by His spirit. This
demands the utmost heedfulness. If inner concentration is lacking we must grieve
and fall down before the Lord with pain of heart. It is not attained solely by
our own efforts; on the other hand, it does not come without labor. It requires
a cooperation of forces--from there and from here; this is essential. First God
created light, and then He gathered it into the celestial bodies. And so it is
with us. Good exists, but it is dissipated or diffused. It must all be brought
together into a single unity. The soul, it seems, desires this, although
evidently it does not recognize this desire. The chief obstacle is--self-pity.
Lord, have mercy upon us! Without struggling and applying ourselves we shall
achieve nothing. We must force ourselves at least a little bit, even if only by
a hair's breadth. When there is zeal and dedication everything goes as it
should. But true zeal shows no self-pity. Is there, aside from this, a good
foundation? Here it is: a profound sense of one's sinfulness and lack of
self-justification before God.
>
> -- Bishop (St.) Theophan the Recluse
>
> (Translated From Letters on the Spiritual Life: 1985 reprint of 1908 Moscow
edition)
>
> --- End forwarded message ---


Amen.  - C.

--- In Gnosis_diagrams@yahoogroups.com, "palomnik" <strannik@...> wrote:


May the Lord help you to firmly strengthen yourself by His spirit. This demands
the utmost heedfulness. If inner concentration is lacking we must grieve and
fall down before the Lord with pain of heart. It is not attained solely by our
own efforts; on the other hand, it does not come without labor. It requires a
cooperation of forces--from there and from here; this is essential. First God
created light, and then He gathered it into the celestial bodies. And so it is
with us. Good exists, but it is dissipated or diffused. It must all be brought
together into a single unity. The soul, it seems, desires this, although
evidently it does not recognize this desire. The chief obstacle is--self-pity.
Lord, have mercy upon us! Without struggling and applying ourselves we shall
achieve nothing. We must force ourselves at least a little bit, even if only by
a hair's breadth. When there is zeal and dedication everything goes as it
should. But true zeal shows no self-pity. Is there, aside from this, a good
foundation? Here it is: a profound sense of one's sinfulness and lack of
self-justification before God.

-- Bishop (St.) Theophan the Recluse

(Translated From Letters on the Spiritual Life: 1985 reprint of 1908 Moscow
edition)

--- End forwarded message ---

It is almost impossible to recognize self in Figure 1,
except when personality has collapsed.
Yet this recognition could be the beginning of a real change.
Figure 3 is a transfiguration of Figure 1.

A possible transfiguration, possible only.
If we look at it as a bet (I think of Pascal) there is one chance of success
among a multitude of failures.
But if we understand this one chance depends on us, we can be sure to win.

I remind the "help yourself, and God will help you": the beginning of a long
trip of transfiguration.
Self-contribution is asked from the beginning till the end: "open the door". But
we cannot even open the door.

We need Knowledge.
We need to know ourselves.
We need first to know the structure of our personality.
Next figures are a help for this.

Everything changes in us, in fact, at every instant.
And we have no name for these changes, no markers.
In the same time this is the beginning of a practical work called INTROSPECTION:
entering into ourselves to know.
(I know I am reviving a war about this notion of introspection.
There will be others: let's be quiet)

Knowledge can lead us towards power.

Pondering the first figure
In the context of the second
or of the third
or of both
can generate a book.

Reciprocally a well structured book can generate a figure.
Writing this, I remember when as a young boy I received a new book (it was rare,
during WW2).
My first movement was to look for the picture inside.

In Gnosis it is more difficult at the beginning.
(I don't know what Ron is thinking)

Pondering Figure 1 with Figure 3 looks simple.
(an illusion: between a do and DO the way may be long and the steps many and
difficult)

Figure 1 has no frame.
It is a crowd of short lived "i"s  -  the time of a breathe.
Living some seconds, these "i"s have a no longer memory. Next "i" knows nothing
about the previous, nor the following.

Any accidental beginning of frame formed from the reaction to an external arrow
is a house of cards, but looked at as a richness, a cult or a science.



Figure 3, totally framed can say
I
I AM.

It has memory, a higher consciousness
A question remains: is the frame sure?

Between Figure 1 and Figure 3, Figure 2 is a light, a way, life.
Figures breathe.

In the last sentence of the last Psalm, the Bible gives a key
" 6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD."
Psalm 150 (New King James Version)






--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, "ctwc_888" <ctwc_888@...> wrote:

…………
the first three diagrams really present
themselves as an ensemble.

Though as long as people ponder the first in the context of the other
two that is probably enough.  - C.

I thought the same about the three first diagrams.

They are a possible whole.

In the same time the first one is the basis of the possible development of the
whole, as flour is for bread.

robert


--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, "ctwc_888" <ctwc_888@...> wrote:
>
> Hos 5:4  They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for
> the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not
> known the LORD.
>
> "they have not known the LORD." That is really the situation the first
> diagram shows.
>
> I think the first diagram should be presented with the second and
> third diagrams because the first three diagrams really present
> themselves as an ensemble.
>
> Though as long as people ponder the first in the context of the other
> two that is probably enough.  - C.
>
>
>
> --- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, "Robert MAUXION"
> <mauxion.robert@> wrote:
> >
> > I thought of Figure I while reading this following message,
> >
> > Especially about King David.
> >
> >
> >
> > Which links did you build?
> >
> >
> >
> > robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > De : ucg_update_notification@
> > [mailto:ucg_update_notification@]
> > Envoyé : jeudi 26 février 2009 23:27
> > À : ucg_update_notification@
> > Objet : UCG.org eNews: February 26, 2009 - Concern about human
> motivations
> >
> >
> > Concern about human motivations
> >
> >
> > Scripture demonstrates that God was concerned from early in mankind's
> > history with man's heart, that God cared deeply about the spirit, or
> > motivation, behind man's actions.
> >
> > This is demonstrated by such statements as "Do not hate your brother
> in your
> > heart" (Leviticus 19:17, NIV) and "You shall love the LORD your God
> with all
> > your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength" (Deuteronomy
> > 6:5).
> >
> > After recounting His  <http://www.ucg.org/booklets/TC/> Ten
> Commandments in
> > Deuteronomy 5:6-21, God exclaimed, "Oh, that they had such a heart
> in them
> > that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it
> might
> > be well with them and with their children forever!" (verse 29).
> >
> > King David knew well that God "searches every heart and understands
> every
> > motive behind the thoughts" (1 Chronicles 28:9, NIV).
> >
> > David also grew to understand that no one could escape from the
> invisible
> > presence of God (Psalm 139). In his repentance after his adultery with
> > Bathsheba, David expressed the understanding that God was ultimately
> more
> > concerned with "a broken spirit, a broken and a contrite heart" than
> with
> > any physical penance he could undertake (Psalm 51:17).
> >
> > Man's innermost attitude and disposition have always been of concern
> to God,
> > in both Old and New Testament.
> >
> > God has long concerned Himself with the morality of people. This was
> clearly
> > demonstrated during Abraham's time when judgment was exacted on five
> cities.
> > Two of the cities, Sodom and Gomorrah, have become classic examples
> of the
> > sinfulness of humans, typifying all that is perverse and decadent. God
> > showed He would not forever overlook depraved attitudes and conduct. He
> > concluded that the "sin [was] so grievous" in these cities that a
> prediction
> > of even 10 righteous people living there was wildly optimistic and
> > unrealistic (Genesis 18:20-32).
> >
> > Once again God made a distinction concerning the morality and ethics of
> > human conduct. In Sodom lived only one righteous man, Lot (2 Peter
> 2:6-7).
> > God considered the evil of these cities sufficient to warrant their
> > annihilation as a judgment on their sinful, corrupted residents.
> >
> > Source:
> >  <http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn13/mansheart.htm> Before A God
> > Concerned With Man's Heart
> > November/December 1997Good News
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Hos 5:4  They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for
the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not
known the LORD.

"they have not known the LORD." That is really the situation the first
diagram shows.

I think the first diagram should be presented with the second and
third diagrams because the first three diagrams really present
themselves as an ensemble.

Though as long as people ponder the first in the context of the other
two that is probably enough.  - C.



--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, "Robert MAUXION"
<mauxion.robert@...> wrote:
>
> I thought of Figure I while reading this following message,
>
> Especially about King David.
>
>
>
> Which links did you build?
>
>
>
> robert
>
>
>
>
>
> De : ucg_update_notification@...
> [mailto:ucg_update_notification@...]
> Envoyé : jeudi 26 février 2009 23:27
> À : ucg_update_notification@...
> Objet : UCG.org eNews: February 26, 2009 - Concern about human
motivations
>
>
> Concern about human motivations
>
>
> Scripture demonstrates that God was concerned from early in mankind's
> history with man's heart, that God cared deeply about the spirit, or
> motivation, behind man's actions.
>
> This is demonstrated by such statements as "Do not hate your brother
in your
> heart" (Leviticus 19:17, NIV) and "You shall love the LORD your God
with all
> your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength" (Deuteronomy
> 6:5).
>
> After recounting His  <http://www.ucg.org/booklets/TC/> Ten
Commandments in
> Deuteronomy 5:6-21, God exclaimed, "Oh, that they had such a heart
in them
> that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it
might
> be well with them and with their children forever!" (verse 29).
>
> King David knew well that God "searches every heart and understands
every
> motive behind the thoughts" (1 Chronicles 28:9, NIV).
>
> David also grew to understand that no one could escape from the
invisible
> presence of God (Psalm 139). In his repentance after his adultery with
> Bathsheba, David expressed the understanding that God was ultimately
more
> concerned with "a broken spirit, a broken and a contrite heart" than
with
> any physical penance he could undertake (Psalm 51:17).
>
> Man's innermost attitude and disposition have always been of concern
to God,
> in both Old and New Testament.
>
> God has long concerned Himself with the morality of people. This was
clearly
> demonstrated during Abraham's time when judgment was exacted on five
cities.
> Two of the cities, Sodom and Gomorrah, have become classic examples
of the
> sinfulness of humans, typifying all that is perverse and decadent. God
> showed He would not forever overlook depraved attitudes and conduct. He
> concluded that the "sin [was] so grievous" in these cities that a
prediction
> of even 10 righteous people living there was wildly optimistic and
> unrealistic (Genesis 18:20-32).
>
> Once again God made a distinction concerning the morality and ethics of
> human conduct. In Sodom lived only one righteous man, Lot (2 Peter
2:6-7).
> God considered the evil of these cities sufficient to warrant their
> annihilation as a judgment on their sinful, corrupted residents.
>
> Source:
>  <http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn13/mansheart.htm> Before A God
> Concerned With Man's Heart
> November/December 1997Good News
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Yes Robert, the vessel (as in diagram1) represents the heart, also to me.  This
past week when viewing my drawing of it, there was an association I noticed from
my days as an Archaeological student.  In pre-historic North American man,
where I had chances to dig and learn, the grave goods are of interest concerning
this diagram.  In the graves were ceramic pots, arrow heads and ochre (a
compound containing iron).  As I look at diagram 1, it is amazing that these 3
symbols are found in both.  At first, most thought the grave goods were just
sending everyday items with the deceased.  However, it has become apparent, and
I am one who believes the theory, that they are of a symbolical spiritual
nature.   All the pots have been pierced; possibly an allowance for the soul to
escape into the after life.  When I view my picture of diagram 1, I find myself
wondering, what are the "iron filings" floating in?  It can't be air, or water? 
But could it be
  earth? In the grave goods of N.A. pre-historic man, ochre is composed of clay
and iron. Would this take on symbolical significance?  I have also read the
section in Gnosis 1 on the first diagram; and can relate to Biblical passages as
you have concerning the diagram.


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I thought of Figure I while reading this following message,

Especially about King David.



Which links did you build?



robert





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Concern about human motivations


Scripture demonstrates that God was concerned from early in mankind's
history with man's heart, that God cared deeply about the spirit, or
motivation, behind man's actions.

This is demonstrated by such statements as "Do not hate your brother in your
heart" (Leviticus 19:17, NIV) and "You shall love the LORD your God with all
your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength" (Deuteronomy
6:5).

After recounting His  <http://www.ucg.org/booklets/TC/> Ten Commandments in
Deuteronomy 5:6-21, God exclaimed, "Oh, that they had such a heart in them
that they would fear Me and always keep all My commandments, that it might
be well with them and with their children forever!" (verse 29).

King David knew well that God "searches every heart and understands every
motive behind the thoughts" (1 Chronicles 28:9, NIV).

David also grew to understand that no one could escape from the invisible
presence of God (Psalm 139). In his repentance after his adultery with
Bathsheba, David expressed the understanding that God was ultimately more
concerned with "a broken spirit, a broken and a contrite heart" than with
any physical penance he could undertake (Psalm 51:17).

Man's innermost attitude and disposition have always been of concern to God,
in both Old and New Testament.

God has long concerned Himself with the morality of people. This was clearly
demonstrated during Abraham's time when judgment was exacted on five cities.
Two of the cities, Sodom and Gomorrah, have become classic examples of the
sinfulness of humans, typifying all that is perverse and decadent. God
showed He would not forever overlook depraved attitudes and conduct. He
concluded that the "sin [was] so grievous" in these cities that a prediction
of even 10 righteous people living there was wildly optimistic and
unrealistic (Genesis 18:20-32).

Once again God made a distinction concerning the morality and ethics of
human conduct. In Sodom lived only one righteous man, Lot (2 Peter 2:6-7).
God considered the evil of these cities sufficient to warrant their
annihilation as a judgment on their sinful, corrupted residents.

Source:
  <http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn13/mansheart.htm> Before A God
Concerned With Man's Heart
November/December 1997Good News







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Of course the first of the 61 diagrams of the first volume of Gnosis
is important and fundamental.
It is an invitation to enter inside us – an unknown world.

It figures the central organ of MAN  -  human soul  – surrounded by
the forces of external life .

This organ has a structure, an opened vase, and an inner content like
iron filings.

It is able to say – and says – "I"
In fact this "I" is a heterogeneous set of particles, the relative
position of which changes with the reactions of the vase under the
external shocks that are impressions and physical shocks.
So this "I" is always changing, being not one but composite, multiple

Mark 5
8 For He said to him, "Come out of the man, unclean spirit!" 9 Then
He asked him, "What is your name?"
And he answered, saying, "My name is Legion; for we are many."
Luke 8
30 Jesus asked him, saying, "What is your name?"
And he said, "Legion," because many demons had entered him.
(New King James Version)

This organ is our personality got lost.

Thanks Radia, for your warm message.
I must explain it to many others here.

*

I have opened a new site at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gnosis_diagrams/

For several reasons, I wish comments or questions in a different
place than original diagrams.
I have suggested here.
Radia and Ron expressed their agreement.
So it will be here.

Everybody here is invited to this new site, if he/she has interest
with this unusual form of thinking.

*

Ron asked some explanations for neophytes.
I'll try to do my best.
I begin with Figure I

Robert


--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, Radianus <kraftaskald@...>
wrote:

I like your idea Robert - diagrams can show us something, and focus
and attention to them I believe can be fruitful.  One diagram can say
what cannot be said in a zillion words!  I try to apply that to my
art.  As an artist, I look at the first diagram and my soul
is "itching" to see it from the top view.  Don't know if this is good
or bad, but I think you mentioned viewing them from other
perspectives.  From a top view you would notice a circular
circumference - very symbolical; and the fact that we are not given
this in the first diagram, may also tell us something.  I wish I had
a printer for my lap top.  But on second thought drawing it might
even be more benificial.  I will draw it and post it on my wall to
view for the next while.  I will enjoy this, I think.  Take care
Robert.

I like your idea Robert - diagrams can show us something, and focus and
attention to them I believe can be fruitful.  One diagram can say what cannot be
said in a zillion words!  I try to apply that to my art.  As an artist, I look
at the first diagram and my soul is "itching" to see it from the top view. 
Don't know if this is good or bad, but I think you mentioned viewing them from
other perspectives.  From a top view you would notice a circular circumference -
very symbolical; and the fact that we are not given this in the first diagram,
may also tell us something.  I wish I had a printer for my lap top.  But on
second thought drawing it might even be more benificial.  I will draw it and
post it on my wall to view for the next while.  I will enjoy this, I think. 
Take care Robert.


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On the Bible, R., it's not either/or. Do both. You have to do both.
Complete readings are necessary. Other kinds of readings are necessary
as well, but they are made profitable in the wake of the complete
readings.

Understanding is seeing the parts in relation to the whole. You have
to get the whole.

Dedicated complete readings are the most difficult kind, but they give
greater reward too.

It's being serious with the text. If you're serious with a novel or
work of history you read it complete. Not just a chapter here, a
passage there.

The Bible is one book. Unified.

It's a complete language, and it also regenerated. The Word and the
Spirit regenerates. It's rare to have the complete Word of God in you.
  - C.




--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, "parthenon_agora_usuk"
<mauxion.robert@...> wrote:
>
> When I see fires in Australia, I think of Simon.
> Near Sacramento, of C.
>
> Some years ago, it was in France.
> To day a tempest is announced here where I am (it was big on the 29th
> december of 1999. I think I talked of it on this forum. This is a
> good use of a forum)
>
> I remember also September 11th of 2001 . We were present here when it
> occurred.
>
> Such events need a growing Presence of true Mankind.
>
> *
>
> Without this Presence they eat our personality, if we identify with
> them instead of identifying with Real I.
>
> C. is near the end of her seventh reading of the Bible.
> Is she near the seventh KEY of this Monument ?
>
> I cannot do so. Instead of turning seven times around the Earth, I
> try to learn rules of Sailing.
> What counts is the result.
>
> *
>
> FIRE is a so important matter for mankind that we need a Way.
> I found 519 occurrences of "fire" in the whole Bible.
>
> Revelation sums it up.
>
> *
>
> Revelation 1:14
> His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His
> eyes were like a flame of fire.
>
> Revelation 2:18
> [ Message to Thyatira ] "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira
> write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His
> feet are like burnished bronze, says this:
>
> Revelation 3:18
> I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may
> become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and
> that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve
> to anoint your eyes so that you may see.
>
> Revelation 4:5
> [ The Throne and Worship of the Creator ] Out from the throne come
> flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder And there were
> seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven
> Spirits of God;
>
> Revelation 8:5
> Then the angel took the censer and filled it with the fire of the
> altar, and threw it to the earth; and there followed peals of thunder
> and sounds and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
>
> Revelation 8:7
> The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood,
> and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was
> burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green
> grass was burned up.
>
> Revelation 8:8
> The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning
> with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became
> blood,
>
> Revelation 9:17
> And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on
> them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth
> and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of
> lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone.
>
> Revelation 9:18
> A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and
> the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths.
>
> Revelation 10:1
> [ The Angel and the Little Book ] I saw another strong angel coming
> down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon
> his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of
> fire;
>
> Revelation 11:5
> And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and
> devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be
> killed in this way.
>
> Revelation 13:13
> He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of
> heaven to the earth in the presence of men.
>
> Revelation 14:10
> he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in
> full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with
> fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the
> presence of the Lamb.
>
> Revelation 14:18
> Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from
> the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp
> sickle, saying, " Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters
> from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe."
>
> Revelation 15:2
> And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those
> who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number
> of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God.
>
> Revelation 16:8
> The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given
> to it to scorch men with fire.
>
> Revelation 17:16
> "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the
> harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh
> and will burn her up with fire.
>
> Revelation 18:8
> "For this reason in one day her plagues will come, pestilence and
> mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for the
> Lord God who judges her is strong.
>
> Revelation 19:12
> His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and
> He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.
>
> Revelation 19:20
> [ Doom of the Beast and False Prophet ] And the beast was seized, and
> with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence,
> by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and
> those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the
> lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
>
> Revelation 20:9
> And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the
> camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from
> heaven and devoured them.
>
> Revelation 20:10
> And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and
> brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they
> will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
>
> Revelation 20:14
> Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the
> second death, the lake of fire.
>
> Revelation 20:15
> And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he
> was thrown into the lake of fire.
>
> Revelation 21:8
>  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers
> and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their
> part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is
> the second death."
>
> *
>
> Next time  I'll remember practical diagrams about the question
>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25031389-7583,00.html

When I see fires in Australia, I think of Simon.
Near Sacramento, of C.

Some years ago, it was in France.
To day a tempest is announced here where I am (it was big on the 29th
december of 1999. I think I talked of it on this forum. This is a
good use of a forum)

I remember also September 11th of 2001 . We were present here when it
occurred.

Such events need a growing Presence of true Mankind.

*

Without this Presence they eat our personality, if we identify with
them instead of identifying with Real I.

C. is near the end of her seventh reading of the Bible.
Is she near the seventh KEY of this Monument ?

I cannot do so. Instead of turning seven times around the Earth, I
try to learn rules of Sailing.
What counts is the result.

*

FIRE is a so important matter for mankind that we need a Way.
I found 519 occurrences of "fire" in the whole Bible.

Revelation sums it up.

*

Revelation 1:14
His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His
eyes were like a flame of fire.

Revelation 2:18
[ Message to Thyatira ] "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira
write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His
feet are like burnished bronze, says this:

Revelation 3:18
I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may
become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself, and
that the shame of your nakedness will not be revealed; and eye salve
to anoint your eyes so that you may see.

Revelation 4:5
[ The Throne and Worship of the Creator ] Out from the throne come
flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder And there were
seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven
Spirits of God;

Revelation 8:5
Then the angel took the censer and filled it with the fire of the
altar, and threw it to the earth; and there followed peals of thunder
and sounds and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

Revelation 8:7
The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood,
and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was
burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green
grass was burned up.

Revelation 8:8
The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning
with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became
blood,

Revelation 9:17
And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on
them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth
and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of
lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone.

Revelation 9:18
A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and
the smoke and the brimstone which proceeded out of their mouths.

Revelation 10:1
[ The Angel and the Little Book ] I saw another strong angel coming
down out of heaven, clothed with a cloud; and the rainbow was upon
his head, and his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of
fire;

Revelation 11:5
And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and
devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be
killed in this way.

Revelation 13:13
He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of
heaven to the earth in the presence of men.

Revelation 14:10
he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in
full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with
fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the
presence of the Lamb.

Revelation 14:18
Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from
the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp
sickle, saying, " Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters
from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe."

Revelation 15:2
And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those
who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number
of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God.

Revelation 16:8
The fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun, and it was given
to it to scorch men with fire.

Revelation 17:16
"And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the
harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh
and will burn her up with fire.

Revelation 18:8
"For this reason in one day her plagues will come, pestilence and
mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; for the
Lord God who judges her is strong.

Revelation 19:12
His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and
He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself.

Revelation 19:20
[ Doom of the Beast and False Prophet ] And the beast was seized, and
with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence,
by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and
those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the
lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:9
And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the
camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from
heaven and devoured them.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and
brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they
will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the
second death, the lake of fire.

Revelation 20:15
And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he
was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8
  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers
and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their
part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is
the second death."

*

Next time  I'll remember practical diagrams about the question

We always think fires are devastating events, fear them.  Mother Nature has
different designs.  They are actually part of a natural cycle.  Without them
nature develops disease.  Before civilized man tried to control everything, fire
was Mother Natures tool for many things, and maybe still is.  Forests were
cleansed and some trees actually cannot sprout seeds/cones unless they first
burn.  After a fire, lower ground cover is given a chance to flourish - in the
bush, we see massive amounts of berries growing a year or two after fire - they
feed us and many animals, who in turn feed others.  Fire is not a bad thing;
unless it is taken from the perspective of a greedily civilized man; who does
not want to give up his things or $$$ or control, even if it is a better thing
for the planet.  Would you believe long ago Native People use to set fires on
purpose?  To rejuvenate the system?  We could also apply this fire analogy to
ourselves - cleanse
  ourselves, don't you think.  Fire is important to awakening. You sound bored
-C.  p.s. have you noticed I always have to say the opposite of what you say, it
must burn the hell out of you?

--- On Mon, 2/9/09, c. t. <ctwc_888@...> wrote:

From: c. t. <ctwc_888@...>
Subject: [Parthenon_Agora] If they had television in Australia...
To: Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, February 9, 2009, 7:06 AM






If they had television in Australia we'd know about the fires over there.

If it ain't happening in the good ol' U. S. of A. it ain't happening.

You can't outrun a fire. You have to know what's going on, and you have to have
an escape plan.

I don't know what to say.

There are never any fires in England because it is so damp.

Hey, we've had big fires going on around here, who is Australia trying to one-up
us?

Fires must be vicious in Australia because our people tend to get out of their
way more successfully.

The key is, don't go back for animals. Animals can run faster than you. Just set
them free and go. They will be way ahead of you.

Hm. Nothing to say.

The world's not ending, as much as I wish it was.

Notice Hollywood used to put a heavenly gleam on small towns in their old
movies? Totally not related to this subject.

What's more important: fire or Work? I'm serious. Let things burn to hell. Just
so you're awake.

Sad for the victims, of course.

I'm going to stand in the Atlantic and pick up England and set it on top of
France, just for the hell of it because something needs to change. Something
needs to wake people up. Something dramatic. - C.

















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If they had television in Australia we'd know about the fires over there.

If it ain't happening in the good ol' U. S. of A. it ain't happening.

You can't outrun a fire. You have to know what's going on, and you have to have
an escape plan.

I don't know what to say.

There are never any fires in England because it is so damp.

Hey, we've had big fires going on around here, who is Australia trying to one-up
us?

Fires must be vicious in Australia because our people tend to get out of their
way more successfully.

The key is, don't go back for animals. Animals can run faster than you. Just set
them free and go. They will be way ahead of you.

Hm. Nothing to say.

The world's not ending, as much as I wish it was.

Notice Hollywood used to put a heavenly gleam on small towns in their old
movies? Totally not related to this subject.

What's more important: fire or Work? I'm serious. Let things burn to hell. Just
so you're awake.

Sad for the victims, of course.

I'm going to stand in the Atlantic and pick up England and set it on top of
France, just for the hell of it because something needs to change. Something
needs to wake people up. Something dramatic.  - C.

He took off in one of the converted Tauruses and all evidence of him
seems to have been wiped from the forum. - C.


--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, "S-Cargo!" <bootmyhead@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I wonder if Patrick, who I met here several years ago, and who was
> converting late-model Ford Tauruses into time machines, is still with
> the group?
>
> Peas,
> Jon
>

Hello,

I wonder if Patrick, who I met here several years ago, and who was
converting late-model Ford Tauruses into time machines, is still with
the group?

Peas,
Jon

Beautiful response QS.....................

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, quickeningspirit <quickeningspirit@...> wrote:

From: quickeningspirit <quickeningspirit@...>
Subject: Re: [Parthenon_Agora] Jesus
To: Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, January 23, 2009, 12:25 PM






Just opened a journal from June 2005. And read:

Polishing the Sword of the Spirit
Seven Bibles

1. Gothic
2. Anglo-saxon
3. Wycliffe
4. Tyndale
5. Geneva
6. Bishops'
7. King James

The breath of God ... rhythm, balance, beauty. Design, order, pattern,
repetition ... the echoed curves of Creation ... emphasis ... de-emphasis.
The KJV is unique among Bibles - it is the only true formal equivalency
translation of the true Bible texts into the English language. What is
formal equivalency? One English word is used to translate one Greek or
Hebrew word. Parts of speech are carried over into English inthe same form -
an English noun translates a Greek noun, etc.

El Shaddia. God gives.

Seven things To Cultivate

1. Attention
2. Consciousness (self-remembering)
3. Real Will
4. Separation
5. Non-identifying
6. Understanding
7. Contact with Higher Influence

Remember School is C Influence. School is contact.

2009/1/23 ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@yahoo. com>

> Jesus, a few posts show up, and Paul says 'Life!' and I write a
> handful of posts (shhh, on the subject of school, but don't tell the
> trolls, though they sensed it, didn't they?) then Paul bugs out, as
> usual, and I'm left wondering what the hell am I doing here? This
> makes, what, nine or so posts now?
>
> Then I start writing about writint posts. On an obscure site on the
> internet with 2 and a half (if that) people reading.
>
> Why are you writing about Celtic Christianity? Am I writing about
> that? Is that how it works? I often don't know myself, but there it
> is. There is usually meaning, isn't there? etc., etc., etc. Then dung
> is thrown at it. It's like having a beginning of a work of art
> smeared with shit by passers by.
>
> Difficult to get something started, and more difficult to keep it
> going. The devil never sleeps, and his people are shameless.
>
> I await the return of the King.
>
> - C.
>
>
>

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Well. Radia values what you write.  That does not mean I have to agree with it
all, does it? Sometimes friction can be the cause of growth.  Just have some
patience -C.  I like the way you are observing yourself, below!  Your King is
there in your heart.  Radia

--- On Fri, 1/23/09, ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@...> wrote:

From: ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@...>
Subject: [Parthenon_Agora] Jesus
To: Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:10 AM






Jesus, a few posts show up, and Paul says 'Life!' and I write a
handful of posts (shhh, on the subject of school, but don't tell the
trolls, though they sensed it, didn't they?) then Paul bugs out, as
usual, and I'm left wondering what the hell am I doing here? This
makes, what, nine or so posts now?

Then I start writing about writint posts. On an obscure site on the
internet with 2 and a half (if that) people reading.

Why are you writing about Celtic Christianity? Am I writing about
that? Is that how it works? I often don't know myself, but there it
is. There is usually meaning, isn't there? etc., etc., etc. Then dung
is thrown at it. It's like having a beginning of a work of art
smeared with shit by passers by.

Difficult to get something started, and more difficult to keep it
going. The devil never sleeps, and his people are shameless.

I await the return of the King.

- C.
















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§ 93. Plutarch.

Equally remarkable, as a representative of "unconscious Christianity"
and "seeker after the unknown God" though from a different
philosophical standpoint, is the greatest biographer and moralist of
classical antiquity.

It is strange that Plutarch's contemporaries are silent about him. His
name is not even mentioned by any Roman writer. What we know of him is
gathered from his own works. He lived between a.d. 50 and 125, mostly
in his native town of Chaeroneia, in Boeotia, as a magistrate and
priest of Apollos. He was happily married, and had four sons and a
daughter, who died young. His Conjugal Precepts are full of good
advice to husbands and wives. The letter of consolation he addressed
to his wife on the death of a little daughter, Timoxena, while she was
absent from home, gives us a favorable impression of his family life,
and expresses his hope of immortality. "The souls of infants," he says
at the close of this letter, "pass immediately into a better and more
divine state." He spent some time in Rome (at least twice, probably
under Vespasian and Domitian), lectured on moral philosophy to select
audiences, and collected material for his Parallel Lives of Greeks and
Romans. He was evidently well-bred, in good circumstances, familiar
with books, different countries, and human nature and society in all
its phases. In his philosophy he stands midway between Platonism and
Neo-Platonism. He was "a Platonist with an Oriental tinge."595595
So Trench calls him, l.c. p. 112. The best account of his philosophy
is given by Zeller in his Philosophie der Griechen, Part III.,
141-182; and more briefly by Ueberweg, Hist. of Phil. (Eng. Ver.) I.
234-236.95 He was equally opposed to Stoic pantheism and Epicurean
naturalism, and adopted the Platonic dualism of God and matter. He
recognized a supreme God, and also the subordinate divinities of the
Hellenic religion. The gods are good, the demons are divided between
good and bad, the human soul combines both qualities. He paid little
attention to metaphysics, and dwelt more on the practical questions of
philosophy, dividing his labors between historical and moral topics.
He was an utter stranger to Christianity, and therefore neither
friendly nor hostile. There is in all his numerous writings not a
single allusion to it, although at his time there must have been
churches in every considerable city of the empire. He often speaks of
Judaism, but very superficially, and may have regarded Christianity as
a Jewish sect. But his moral philosophy makes a very near approach to
Christian ethics.

His aim, as a writer, was to show the greatness in the acts and in the
thoughts of the ancients, the former in his "Parallel Lives," the
latter in his "Morals," and by both to inspire his contemporaries to
imitation. They constitute together an encyclopaedia of well-digested
Greek and Roman learning. He was not a man of creative genius, but of
great talent, extensive information, amiable, spirit, and universal
sympathy. Emerson calls him "the chief example of the illumination of
the intellect by the force of morals."596596    Introduction to
Goodwin's ed. p. xi.96

Plutarch endeavored to build up morality on the basis of religion. He
is the very opposite of Lucian, who as an architect of ruin, ridiculed
and undermined the popular religion. He was a strong believer in God,
and his argument against atheism is well worth quoting." There has
never been," he says, "a state of atheists. You may travel over the
world, and you may find cities without walls, without king, without
mint, without theatre or gymnasium; but you will never find a city
without God, without prayer, without oracle, without sacrifice. Sooner
may a city stand without foundations, than a state without belief in
the gods. This is the bond of all society and the pillar of all
legislation."597597    Adv. Colotem (an Epicurean), c. 31 (Moralia,
ed. Tauchnitz, VI. 265).97

In his treatise on The Wrong Fear of the Gods, he contrasts
superstition with atheism as the two extremes which often meet, and
commends piety or the right reverence of the gods as the golden mean.
Of the two extremes he deems superstition the worse, because it makes
the gods capricious, cruel, and revengeful, while they are friends of
men, saviours (σωτῆρες), and not destroyers.
(Nevertheless
superstitious people can more easily be converted to true faith than
atheists who have destroyed all religious instincts.)

His remarkable treatise on The Delays of Divine Justice in punishing
the wicked,598598    · De Sera Numinis Vindicta. in Goodwin's ed. vol.
IV. 140-188.98 would do credit to any Christian theologian. It is his
solution of the problem of evil, or his theodicy. He discusses the
subject with several of his relatives (as Job did with his friends),
and illustrates it by examples. He answers the various objections
which arise from the delay of justice and vindicates Providence in his
dealings with the sinner. He enjoins first modesty and caution in view
of our imperfect knowledge. God only knows best when and how and how
much to punish. He offers the following considerations: 1) God teaches
us to moderate our anger, and never to punish in a passion, but to
imitate his gentleness and forbearance. 2) He gives the wicked an
opportunity to repent and reform. 3) He permits them to live and
prosper that he may use them as executioners of his justice on others.
He often punishes the sinner by the sinner. 4) The wicked are
sometimes spared that they may bless the world by a noble posterity.
5) Punishment is often deferred that the hand of Providence may be
more conspicuous in its infliction. Sooner or later sin will be
punished, if not in this world, at least in the future world, to which
Plutarch points as the final solution of the mysteries of Providence.
He looked upon death as a good thing for the good soul, which shall
then live indeed; while the present life "resembles rather the vain
illusions of some dream."

The crown of Plutarch's character is his humility, which was so very
rare among ancient philosophers, especially the Stoics, and which
comes from true self-knowledge. He was aware of the native depravity
of the soul, which he calls "a storehouse and treasure of many evils
and maladies."599599    Ποικίλον
τι καὶ
πολυπαθὲς
κακῶν ταμεῖον
θησαύρισμα, ὡς
φησι
Δημόκριτος. Animi ne an
corporis affectiones sint
pejores, c. 2 (in Wyttenbach's ed. Tom. III. p. 17).99 Had he known
the true and radical remedy for sin, he would no doubt have accepted
it with gratitude.

We do not know how far the influence of these saints of ancient
paganism, as we may call Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius, and Plutarch,
extended over the heathens of their age, but we do know that their
writings had and still have an elevating and ennobling effect upon
Christian readers, and hence we may infer that their teaching and
example were among the moral forces that aided rather than hindered
the progress and final triumph of Christianity. But this religion
alone could bring about such a general and lasting moral reform as
they themselves desired.

Philip Schaff - History of the Christian Church

A boiled down way to articulate the manuscripts issues regarding the
King James Version vs. the modern Critical Text versions is this:

One is a *received* text, the other is a *constructed* text.

The received text (which includes the Hebrew Masoretic along with the
Greek Textus Receptus) has the authority of the Holy Spirit in it. The
authority of God.

The constructed text has the authority of scholars in it, the
authority of man.

When you adopt the latter you cease to see the Word of God as
something that is above you, and you begin to fear and revere man and
the word of man rather than fearing and revering God and the Word of God.

I champion the received text over a constructed text. I know the voice
of the Shepherd. - C.

ps- The first thing the scholars/false teachers will answer to what I
wrote above is: But the received text has variations and has needed
critical scholarship, etc., etc.  But what they don't tell you is the
variations in the received text can be counted on the fingers of one
hand, basically, and they are differences of a wholly different scale
and nature, i.e. they are within the stream of the Received Text which
is shepherded by the Holy Spirit and God's people; where the
variations in the constructed texts are as the difference between Moby
Dick and the Magic Mountain. There is a fundamental difference between
a received text and a constructed text. The scholars want to make them
equal, but they are not. They are as equal as the Sun is equal to an
office lamp.




--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, quickeningspirit
<quickeningspirit@...> wrote:
>
> Just opened a journal from June 2005. And read:
>
> Polishing the Sword of the Spirit
> Seven Bibles
>
> 1. Gothic
> 2. Anglo-saxon
> 3. Wycliffe
> 4. Tyndale
> 5. Geneva
> 6. Bishops'
> 7. King James
>
> The breath of God ... rhythm, balance, beauty. Design, order, pattern,
> repetition ... the echoed curves of Creation ... emphasis ...
de-emphasis.
> The KJV is unique among Bibles - it is the only true formal equivalency
> translation of the true Bible texts into the English language. What is
> formal equivalency? One English word is used to translate one Greek or
> Hebrew word. Parts of speech are carried over into English inthe
same form -
> an English noun translates a Greek noun, etc.
>
> El Shaddia. God gives.
>
> Seven things To Cultivate
>
> 1. Attention
> 2. Consciousness (self-remembering)
> 3. Real Will
> 4. Separation
> 5. Non-identifying
> 6. Understanding
> 7. Contact with Higher Influence
>
> Remember School is C Influence. School is contact.
>
>
>
> 2009/1/23 ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@...>
>
> >   Jesus, a few posts show up, and Paul says 'Life!' and I write a
> > handful of posts (shhh, on the subject of school, but don't tell the
> > trolls, though they sensed it, didn't they?) then Paul bugs out, as
> > usual, and I'm left wondering what the hell am I doing here? This
> > makes, what, nine or so posts now?
> >
> > Then I start writing about writint posts. On an obscure site on the
> > internet with 2 and a half (if that) people reading.
> >
> > Why are you writing about Celtic Christianity? Am I writing about
> > that? Is that how it works? I often don't know myself, but there it
> > is. There is usually meaning, isn't there? etc., etc., etc. Then dung
> > is thrown at it. It's like having a beginning of a work of art
> > smeared with shit by passers by.
> >
> > Difficult to get something started, and more difficult to keep it
> > going. The devil never sleeps, and his people are shameless.
> >
> > I await the return of the King.
> >
> > - C.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Just opened a journal from June 2005. And read:

Polishing the Sword of the Spirit
Seven Bibles

1. Gothic
2. Anglo-saxon
3. Wycliffe
4. Tyndale
5. Geneva
6. Bishops'
7. King James

The breath of God ... rhythm, balance, beauty. Design, order, pattern,
repetition ... the echoed curves of Creation ... emphasis ... de-emphasis.
The KJV is unique among Bibles - it is the only true formal equivalency
translation of the true Bible texts into the English language. What is
formal equivalency? One English word is used to translate one Greek or
Hebrew word. Parts of speech are carried over into English inthe same form -
an English noun translates a Greek noun, etc.

El Shaddia. God gives.

Seven things To Cultivate

1. Attention
2. Consciousness (self-remembering)
3. Real Will
4. Separation
5. Non-identifying
6. Understanding
7. Contact with Higher Influence

Remember School is C Influence. School is contact.



2009/1/23 ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@...>

>   Jesus, a few posts show up, and Paul says 'Life!' and I write a
> handful of posts (shhh, on the subject of school, but don't tell the
> trolls, though they sensed it, didn't they?) then Paul bugs out, as
> usual, and I'm left wondering what the hell am I doing here? This
> makes, what, nine or so posts now?
>
> Then I start writing about writint posts. On an obscure site on the
> internet with 2 and a half (if that) people reading.
>
> Why are you writing about Celtic Christianity? Am I writing about
> that? Is that how it works? I often don't know myself, but there it
> is. There is usually meaning, isn't there? etc., etc., etc. Then dung
> is thrown at it. It's like having a beginning of a work of art
> smeared with shit by passers by.
>
> Difficult to get something started, and more difficult to keep it
> going. The devil never sleeps, and his people are shameless.
>
> I await the return of the King.
>
> - C.
>
>
>


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Jesus, a few posts show up, and Paul says 'Life!' and I write a
handful of posts (shhh, on the subject of school, but don't tell the
trolls, though they sensed it, didn't they?) then Paul bugs out, as
usual, and I'm left wondering what the hell am I doing here? This
makes, what, nine or so posts now?

Then I start writing about writint posts.  On an obscure site on the
internet with 2 and a half (if that) people reading.

Why are you writing about Celtic Christianity? Am I writing about
that? Is that how it works? I often don't know myself, but there it
is. There is usually meaning, isn't there? etc., etc., etc. Then dung
is thrown at it.  It's like having a beginning of a work of art
smeared with shit by passers by.

Difficult to get something started, and more difficult to keep it
going. The devil never sleeps, and his people are shameless.

I await the return of the King.

- C.

Jesus Christ public Work forums suck.  - C.



--- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, "ctwc_888" <ctwc_888@...> wrote:
>
> I don't have a lot of patience for ridiculous replies like this:
>
> >I don't see how the Celtic Christians evangelized Vikings and don't
> think it is a true statement -C.....but am interested in what exactly
> Celtic Christianity is.  So please feel free!  Radia
>
> On a Work forum I hold people to higher standards.  - C.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com, Radianus <kraftaskald@> wrote:
> >
> > -C, don't look for outside sources for "why", but what you can find
> inside yourself for reactions you succumb to.  Love Radia
> >
> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@> wrote:
> >
> > From: ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@>
> > Subject: [Parthenon_Agora] Re: Conversion of the Vikings, 800-1200 AD
> > To: Parthenon_Agora@yahoogroups.com
> > Received: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 7:33 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm remembering why I left these public Work forums...
> >
> > --- In Parthenon_Agora@ yahoogroups. com, Radianus <kraftaskald@
> ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > It doesn't say Celtic Christianity - I think it was Roman Catholic
> > and later Lutheran (in Iceland anyway).  And most of the conversion
> > was done in a manipulative way, cohersion economically and as is
> > written here the Royalty in Scandinavia demanded submission - be a
> > christian or else!  That is why alot of Icelanders left the mainland. 
> > As for Celtic Christianity -- there is evidence of hermitages in
> > Iceland when they first landed there, but by then they were gone. 
> > Vikings had no love of money grabbing Celtic Christian churches in
> > Northern England and Ireland - they killed them all and burned their
> > churches.  And got a real bad name for it.  The only Celtic
> > Christianity that may have seeped into Iceland, were from Vikings
> > taking slaves mostly from Ireland and sometimes marrying them or
> > having kids from them.  Anyway, I am curious about your being so
> > interested in Celtic Christianity; is this your new Calvinism?  Is
> > there a link somewhere? Radia
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: ctwc_888 <ctwc_888@ .>
> > > Subject: [Parthenon_Agora] Conversion of the Vikings, 800-1200 AD
> > > To: Parthenon_Agora@ yahoogroups. com
> > > Received: Monday, January 19, 2009, 5:34 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Conversion of the Vikings, 800-1200 AD
> > >
> > > The 700's saw the emergence of fierce Viking raiding
> > > parties that pillaged and plundered much of western Europe. Not long
> > > after that, Christian missionaries began arriving in Scandinavia.
> > > Then, within about 400 years, Christianity had become the dominant
> > > religion in Viking lands.
> > > How was this possible? Through what means or patterns of
> > > evangelism were savage pirates transformed into Christians?
> > > Three main factors form what might be seen as the
> > > strategy employed to evangelize the Viking peoples. This
strategy (or
> > > perhaps more correctly, "pattern") is similar in some aspects to
what
> > > happened in the earlier evangelization of the Germanic peoples.
[ read
> > > more ]
> > > 1. The first aspect of the pattern is that in almost all
> > > of the Viking lands, "conversion was accomplished as a community
> > > affair by a kind of mass movement."1 Mass conversion that had been
> > > common in the Germanic or barbarian cultures happened here as
well in
> > > part because of the tribal makeup -- and group decision-making
process
> > > -- of Viking cultures.
> > > 2. The second feature of the pattern in which the Vikings
> > > were won to faith in Jesus Christ was that in almost all areas "the
> > > eventual triumph of Christianity (came) through royal initiative."
> 2 In
> > > these cases Christianity was not a grass-roots, popular movement
which
> > > in the end captured the tribal leadership. Rather "people (were)
> > > brought to the faith en masse as the monarch's subjects rather
than as
> > > individually responsible persons."3 It looks like Viking kings
sought
> > > to ride the crest of the wave. Certainly, accepting Christianity
> > > helped these rulers solidify their political authority. After
becoming
> > > Christians, almost all of them got the church to create
archbishoprics
> > > over which the kings themselves exerted some control.
> > > 3. The third feature of efforts to evangelize the Vikings
> > > was that instruction, baptism, and discipleship training were
carried
> > > on largely by missionaries from England. The Vikings' repeated
> > > invasions of England brought them into close contact with already
> > > Christianized people. "Since the English were a subject people, the
> > > Scandinavians did not fear them militarily or politically. "4 As a
> > > result, English missionaries were allowed to move about fairly
freely
> > > in Scandinavian countries without being looked on with suspicion. As
> > > had been true with the barbarians, the religion of the conquered
> > > became that of the conqueror. The victor was preached to and
baptized
> > > by the vanquished.
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§ 23. Columbanus and the Irish Missionaries on the Continent.

While the Latin Benedictine monks worked their way up from the South
towards the heart of France, Keltic missionaries carried their
independent Christianity from the West to the North of France, the
banks of the Rhine, Switzerland and Lombardy; but they were
counteracted by Roman missionaries, who at last secured the control
over France and Germany as well as over the British Isles.

St. Columbanus107107    Also called Columba the younger, to
distinguish him from the Scotch Columba. There is a second St.
Columbanus, an abbot of St. Trudo (St. Troud) in France, and a poet,
who died about the middle of the ninth century. is the pioneer of the
Irish missionaries to the Continent. His life has been written with
great minuteness by Jonas, a monk of his monastery at Bobbio. He was
born in Leinster, a.d. 543, in which year St. Benedict, his celebrated
monastic predecessor, died at Monte Casino, and was trained in the
monastery of Bangor, on the coast of Down, under the direction of St.
Comgall. Filled with missionary zeal, he left his native land with
twelve companions, and crossed over the sea to Gaul in 590,108108
The date assigned by Hertel, l.c., and Meyer von Knonau, in "Allg.
Deutsche Biographie," IV. 424 (1876). or in 585,109109    The date
according to the Bollandists and Smith's Dict. of Chr. Biogr. Ebrard
puts the emigration of Columbanus to Gaul in the year 594. several
years before Augustin landed in England. He found the country
desolated by war; Christian virtue and discipline were almost extinct.
He travelled for several years, preaching and giving an example of
humility and charity. He lived for whole weeks without other food than
herbs and wild berries. He liked best the solitude of the woods and
eaves, where even the animals obeyed his voice and received his
caresses. In Burgundy he was kindly received by King Gontran, one of
the grandsons of Clovis; refused the offer of wealth, and chose a
quiet retreat in the Vosges mountains, first in a ruined Roman fort at
Annegray, and afterwards at Luxeuil (Luxovium). Here he established a
celebrated monastery on the confines of Burgundy and Austrasia. A
similar institution he founded at Fontaines. Several hundred disciples
gathered around him. Luxeuil became the monastic capital of Gaul, a
nursery of bishops and saints, and the mother of similar institutions.

Columbanus drew up a monastic rule, which in all essential points
resembles the more famous rule of St. Benedict, but is shorter and
more severe. It divides the time of the monks between ascetic
exercises and useful agricultural labor, and enjoins absolute
obedience on severe penalties. It was afterwards superseded by the
Benedictine rule, which had the advantage of the papal sanction and
patronage.110110    There is a considerable difference between his
Regula Monastica, in ten chapters, and his Regula Coenobialis Fratrum,
sive, Liber de quotidianis Poenitentiis Monachorum, in fifteen
chapters. The latter is unreasonably rigorous, and imposes corporal
punishments for the slightest offences, even speaking at table, or
coughing at chanting. Ebrard (l.c., p. 148 sqq.) contends that the
Regula Coenobialis, which is found only in two codices, is of later
origin. Comp. Hertel, l.c.

The life of Columbanus in France was embittered and his authority
weakened by his controversy with the French clergy and the court of
Burgundy. He adhered tenaciously to the Irish usage of computing
Easter, the Irish tonsure and costume. Besides, his extreme severity
of life was a standing rebuke of the worldly priesthood and dissolute
court. He was summoned before a synod in 602 or 603, and defended
himself in a letter with great freedom and eloquence, and with a
singular mixture of humility and pride. He calls himself (like St.
Patrick) "Columbanus, a sinner," but speaks with an air of authority.
He pleads that he is not the originator of those ritual differences,
that he came to France, a poor stranger, for the cause of Christ, and
asks nothing but to be permitted to live in silence in the depth of
the forests near the bones of his seventeen brethren, whom he had
already seen die. "Ah! let us live with you in this Gaul, where we now
are, since we are destined to live with each other in heaven, if we
are found worthy to enter there." The letter is mixed with rebukes of
the bishops, calculations of Easter and an array of Scripture
quotations. At the same time he wrote several letters to Pope Gregory
I., one of which only is preserved in the writings of Columbanus.
There is no record of the action of the Synod on this controversy, nor
of any answer of the Pope.

The conflict with the court of Burgundy is highly honorable to
Columbanus, and resulted in his banishment. He reproved by word and
writing the tyranny of queen Brunehild (or Brunehauld) and the
profligacy of her grandson Theodoric (or Thierry II.); he refused to
bless his illegitimate children and even threatened to excommunicate
the young king. He could not be silenced by flattery and gifts, and
was first sent as a prisoner to Besançon, and then expelled from the
kingdom in 610.111111    For a full account of this quarrel see
Montalembert, II. 411 sqq.

But this persecution extended his usefulness. We find him next, with
his Irish friends who accompanied him, on the lake of Zurich, then in
Bregenz (Bregentium) on the lake of Constance, planting the seeds of
Christianity in those charming regions of German Switzerland. His
preaching was accompanied by burning the heathen idols. Leaving his
disciple St. Gall at Bregenz, he crossed the Alps to Lombardy, and
founded a famous monastery at Bobbio. He manfully fought there the
Arian heresy, but in a letter to Boniface IV. he defended the cause of
Nestorius, as condemned by the Fifth General Council of 553, and
called upon the Pope to vindicate the church of Rome against the
charge of heresy. He speaks very boldly to the Pope, but acknowledges
Rome to be "the head of the churches of the whole world, excepting
only the singular prerogative of the place of the Lord's resurrection"
(Jerusalem).112112    "Roma orbis terrarum caput est ecclesiarum,
salva loci Dominicae resurrectiois singulari praerogativa." He died in
Bobbio, Nov. 21, 615. The poetry of grateful love and superstitious
faith has adorned his simple life with various miracles.

Columbanus was a man of considerable learning for his age. He seems to
have had even some knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. His chief works are
his Regula Monastica, in ten short chapters; seventeen Discourses; his
Epistles to the Gallic Synod on the paschal controversy, to Gregory
I., and to Boniface IV.; and a few poems. The following characteristic
specimen of his ascetic view of life is from one of the discourses: "O
mortal life! how many hast thou deceived, seduced, and blinded! Thou
fliest and art nothing; thou appearest and art but a shade; thou
risest and art but a vapor; thou fliest every day, and every day thou
comest; thou fliest in coming, and comest in flying, the same at the
point of departure, different at the end; sweet to the foolish, bitter
to the wise. Those who love thee know thee not, and those only know
thee who despise thee. What art thou, then, O human life? Thou art the
way of mortals, and not their life. Thou beginnest in sin and endest
in death. Thou art then the way of life and not life itself. Thou art
only a road, and an unequal road, long for some, short for others;
wide for these, narrow for those; joyous for some, sad for others, but
for all equally rapid and without return. It is necessary, then, O
miserable human life! to fathom thee, to question thee, but not to
trust in thee. We must traverse thee without dwelling in thee—no one
dwells upon a great road; we but march over it, to reach the country
beyond."113113    Montalembert, II. 436.

Several of the disciples of Columbanus labored in eastern Helvetia and
Rhaetia.

Sigisbert separated from him at the foot of the St. Gothard, crossed
eastward over the Oberalp to the source of the Rhine, and laid the
foundation of the monastery of Dissentis in the Grisons, which lasts
to this day.

St. Gall (Gallus), the most celebrated of the pupils of Columbanus,
remained in Switzerland, and became the father of the monastery and
city called after him, on the banks of the river Steinach. He declined
the bishopric of Constanz. His double struggle against the forces of
nature and the gods of heathenism has been embellished with marvelous
traits by the legendary poetry of the middle ages.114114    See the
anonymous Vita S. Galli in Pertz, Monumenta II. 123, and in the Acta
Sanct., Tom. VII. Octobris. Also Greith, Geschichte der altirischen
Kirche … als Einleitung in die, Gesch. des Stifts St. Gallen(1857),
the chapter on Gallus, pp. 333 sqq. When he died, ninety-five years
old, a.d. 640, the whole surrounding country of the Allemanni was
nominally Christianized. The monastery of St. Gall became one of the
most celebrated schools of learning in Switzerland and Germany, where
Irish and other missionaries learned German and prepared themselves
for evangelistic work in Switzerland and Southern Germany. There
Notker Balbulus, the abbot (died 912), gave a lasting impulse to
sacred poetry and music, as the inventor or chief promoter of the
mediaeval Laudes or Prosae, among which the famous "Media vita in
morte sumus" still repeats in various tongues its solemn funeral
warning throughout Christendom.

Fridold or Fridolin, who probably came from Scotland, preached the
gospel to the Allemanni in South Germany. But his life is involved in
great obscurity, and assigned by some to the time of Clovis I.
(481–511), by others more probably to that of Clovis II. (638–656).

Kilian or Kyllina, of a noble Irish family, is said to have been the
apostle of Franconia and the first bishop of Würzburg in the seventh
century.

Philip Schaff - History of the Christian Church

"During the sixth and seventh centuries the Danes first came in
contact with Christianity, partly through their commercial intercourse
with Duerstede in Holland, partly through their perpetual raids on
Ireland; and tales of the "White Christ" were frequently told among
them, though probably with no other effect than that of wonder. The
first Christian missionary who visited them and worked among them was
Willebrord. Born in Northumbria and educated within the pale of the
Keltic Kirk he went out, in 690, as a missionary..."