Dear Jim,
Thank you very much for the trouble you took. I had no idea about all the
different meanings of bhavo. I read this with great interest, I am delighted
to learn more about different word meanings. I saw in my Pali Thai
dictionary also some more meanings; good quality, khandha, etc. As to
vuddhi: this makes sense: growth and prosperity.
The Abhidhaanappadiipikaa from the 16th cent. seems most interesting.
Nina.

op 31-05-2003 16:10 schreef Jim Anderson op jimanderson_on@...:

>
> There are at least 7 meanings given for the word "bhavo" whereas PED
> seems to give only the one. I think Warder's translation "good
> fortune" comes closest to the meaning of "sampatti" -- success,
> prosperity, etc. ....
> the meanings I can pick up so far are: vuddhi, sampatti, pu~n~na,
> sahokaasaa khandhaa, sa.msaara, sassata.

Pali - Every few days - [B038]
Gair/Karunatillake - Chapter 3 – Further Readings
Ex. 2.  (Part 1 of 5)

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m abhaavita.m akammaniya.m
hoti, yathayida.m, bhikkhave, citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, abhaavita.m akammaniya.m hotii”
ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when undeveloped is so unworkable, monks, as is
the mind.  The mind, monks, when undeveloped is
unworkable.”

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m bhaavita.m kammaniya.m
hoti, yathayida.m, bhikkhave, citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, bhaavita.m kammaniya.m hotii” ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when developed is so workable, monks, as is the
mind.  The mind, monks, when developed is workable.”

Metta,
John

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Warder - Exercise 2 (pages 19-20)
Pali into English  (Part 2 of 3)

sama.no aagacchati
ascetic / comes
The ascetic comes

tathaagato sugato hoti
“thus-gone” / "well-gone" / is
The “thus-gone” is the "well-gone"

braahma.no purise pucchati
priest / people / asks
The priest asks the people

devaa cavanti
gods / die
The gods die

Metta,
John

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Dear Steve, Nina, and Jim,
Thank you all for your comments on my earlier
translation of this sentence.  "Existence" makes more
sense to me now than "good fortune", especially in
light of how "bhava" is commonly used in the suttas.

manussaa bhava.m icchanti
humans / existence / wish for
Humans wish for existence

With gratitude,
John

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Dear Nina,

I'm glad you found the information interesting. Just a comment on the
following:

> The Abhidhaanappadiipikaa from the 16th cent. seems most
interesting.

I don't know where you got the 16th cent. dating but according to
Geiger and his sources the dating is the late 12th cent. and the
author is Moggallaana who I thought was the famous grammarian. But
apparently there were two Moggallaanas from around the same period.
The older one is the grammarian who wrote his grammar a decade or two
after Aggava.msa wrote his in the mid-12th cent. A second (Nava-)
Moggallaana compiled the Abhidhaanappadiipikaa near the end of the
12th cent. This dictionary is similar to the Sanskrit Amarako"sa. The
Abh (CPD abbrev.) also lists the different meanings of each of the
prefixes. I have found this little dictionary to be quite helpful and
I use it quite a bit.

Best wishes,
Jim

> Dear Jim,
> Thank you very much for the trouble you took. I had no idea about
all the
> different meanings of bhavo. I read this with great interest, I am
delighted
> to learn more about different word meanings. I saw in my Pali Thai
> dictionary also some more meanings; good quality, khandha, etc. As
to
> vuddhi: this makes sense: growth and prosperity.
> The Abhidhaanappadiipikaa from the 16th cent. seems most
interesting.
> Nina.

Pali - Every few days - [B039]
Gair/Karunatillake - Chapter 3 – Further Readings
Ex. 2.  (Part 2 of 5)

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m abhaavita.m mahato
anatthaaya sa.mvattati, yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, abhaavita.m mahato anatthaaya
sa.mvattatii” ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when undeveloped leads to such great misery,
monks, as does the mind.  The mind, monks, undeveloped
leads to great misery.”

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m bhaavita.m mahato atthaaya
sa.mvattati, yathayida.m, bhikkhave, citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, bhaavita.m mahato atthaaya
sa.mvattatii» ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when developed leads to such great well-being,
monks, as does the mind.  The mind, monks, developed
leads to great well-being.”

Metta,
John

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Warder - Exercise 2 (pages 19-20)
Pali into English  (Part 3 of 3)

vaada.m vadanti
statement / they speak
They utter the statement

puttaa pabbajanti
sons / go forth
The sons go forth

satto ti.t.thati
being / stays
The being stays

sama.ne attha.m pucchanti
ascetics / meaning / they ask
They ask the ascetics the meaning

Metta,
John


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Hi John,

Thanks again for sharing your answers.

> vaada.m vadanti
> statement / they speak
> They utter the statement
Warder has "debate, argument, statement" for "vaada" which seems
to agree with the PED which uses "vaada" for "emphatic or formulated
speech". My own answer was "They make a statement." but Warder in his
answer key has the stronger, "They speak (state) an argument."

> sama.ne attha.m pucchanti
> ascetics / meaning / they ask
> They ask the ascetics the meaning
How do you feel about "philosopher" for "sama.na"?
It seems that the only "sama.na's" worth talking about
today were of the "philosopher" variety.
Best Wishes,
Paul O Cuana

More Pali - Every few days - [C010]
Warder - Exercise 2 (pages 19-20)
English into Pali (Part 1 of 3)

They go to the minister
gacchanti / mahaamatta.m
mahaamatta.m gacchanti

The men see the ministers
purisaa / passanti / mahaamatte
purisaa mahaamatte passanti

The god, who is not a human being, approaches the
“thus-gone”
devo amanusso / upasa.mkamati / tathaagata.m
devo amanusso tathaagata.m upasa.mkamati

You ask the philosopher about the doctrine
pucchasi / sama.na.m / dhamma.m
sama.na.m dhamma.m pucchasi

Metta,
John

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Hi Paul,

Thanks for your response.

> vaada.m vadanti
> My own answer was "They make a statement." but
Warder in his
>answer key has the stronger, "They speak (state) an
argument."
I like your answer here very much.  I think all 3 -
Warder's, yours, mine - are all equally valid, and
ultimately one would make a choice based on context of
the phrase within a larger extract, and the style of
translation one wanted.

> sama.ne attha.m pucchanti
> ascetics / meaning / they ask
> They ask the ascetics the meaning
>How do you feel about "philosopher" for "sama.na"?
"Philosopher" is fine, too, though it is a little more
specific.  What about "wanderer" as an another
alternative?

Best Wishes to you,
John




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Gair/Karunatillake - Chapter 3 – Further Readings
Ex. 2.  (Part 3 of 5)

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m abhaavita.m apaatubhuuta.m
mahato anatthaaya sa.mvattati, yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, abhaavita.m apaatubhuuta.m mahato
anatthaaya sa.mvattatii” ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when undeveloped and not manifested leads to such
great misery, monks, as does the mind.  The mind,
monks, undeveloped and not manifested leads to great
misery.”

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m bhaavita.m paatubhuuta.m
mahato atthaaya sa.mvattati, yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, bhaavita.m paatubhuuta.m mahato
atthaaya sa.mvattatii” ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when developed and manifested leads to such great
well-being, monks, as does the mind.  The mind, monks,
developed and manifested leads to great well-being.”

Metta,
John

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What about "doctrine" for vaada? The opinion of single, but authoritative theras
often is described by vaada.

Best Wishes,
Petra



"paulocuana" <paulocuana@...> schrieb:
>     Hi John,
>
>  Thanks again for sharing your answers.
>
>  > vaada.m vadanti
>  > statement / they speak
>  > They utter the statement
>  Warder has "debate, argument, statement" for "vaada" which seems
>  to agree with the PED which uses "vaada" for "emphatic or formulated
>  speech". My own answer was "They make a statement." but Warder in his
>  answer key has the stronger, "They speak (state) an argument."
>
>  > sama.ne attha.m pucchanti
>  > ascetics / meaning / they ask
>  > They ask the ascetics the meaning
>  How do you feel about "philosopher" for "sama.na"?
>  It seems that the only "sama.na's" worth talking about
>  today were of the "philosopher" variety.
>  Best Wishes,
>  Paul O Cuana
>
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IN the first verse of the metta sutta (Sn 1.) there is this phrase:

suuvaco cassa mudu anatimaanii

I can't find the word "cassa" in any dictionary. I think I can see
from various translations what it might mean, but I'm interested to
get a more authorative answer.

BTW I'm using the chat.t.ha san.gaayana CD as my source.

Any help appreciated.

Regards
Michael

Hi Michael

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "mahaabaala" <mahaabaala@y...> wrote:
> IN the first verse of the metta sutta (Sn 1.) there is this phrase:
>
> suuvaco cassa mudu anatimaanii
>
> I can't find the word "cassa" in any dictionary. I think I can see
> from various translations what it might mean, but I'm interested to
> get a more authorative answer.
>
> BTW I'm using the chat.t.ha san.gaayana CD as my source.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Regards
> Michael

From the PTS translation of the Metta Sutta and commentary from the
Kuddakapaa.tha. The Pali of the verse is >  suuvaco c'assa mudu
anatimaanii

The Atthakatha says > "He would be: assa = bhaveyya (alternative
grammatical form)."

So my guess* is that the c'assa = ca + assa ??

This is just a guess so i'm hoping someone will either confirm or
correct this.


Steve

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "bodhi2500" <Bodhi2500@a...> wrote:
> Hi Michael
>
> --- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "mahaabaala" <mahaabaala@y...> wrote:
> > IN the first verse of the metta sutta (Sn 1.) there is this
phrase:
> >
> > suuvaco cassa mudu anatimaanii
> >
> > I can't find the word "cassa" in any dictionary. I think I can
see
> > from various translations what it might mean, but I'm interested
to
> > get a more authorative answer.
> >
> > BTW I'm using the chat.t.ha san.gaayana CD as my source.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> > Regards
> > Michael
>
> From the PTS translation of the Metta Sutta and commentary from the
> Kuddakapaa.tha. The Pali of the verse is >  suuvaco c'assa mudu
> anatimaanii
>
> The Atthakatha says > "He would be: assa = bhaveyya (alternative
> grammatical form)."
>
> So my guess* is that the c'assa = ca + assa ??
>
> This is just a guess so i'm hoping someone will either confirm or
> correct this.
>
>
> Steve


Hi Michael
           There is quite a bit on the meaning of "assa" in lesson 14
of Warders introduction to pali.

  I had a look at the c'assa and im now thinking it may be ce+assa =
c'assa--If he would be...

But still only guessing :)

Steve

Hi Michael,

cassa = ca (and) + assa (should be)

Sukhi.

P.
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Sent: Wednesday, 04 June, 2003 9:31 PM
Subject: [Pali] cassa?


> IN the first verse of the metta sutta (Sn 1.) there is this phrase:
>
> suuvaco cassa mudu anatimaanii
>
> I can't find the word "cassa" in any dictionary. I think I can see
> from various translations what it might mean, but I'm interested to
> get a more authorative answer.
>
> BTW I'm using the chat.t.ha san.gaayana CD as my source.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Regards
> Michael
>
>
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Pali - Every few days - [B041]
Gair/Karunatillake - Chapter 3 – Further Readings
Ex. 2.  (Part 4 of 5)

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m abhaavita.m abahuliikata.m
mahato anatthaaya sa.mvattati, yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, abhaavita.m abahuliikata.m mahato
anatthaaya sa.mvattatii” ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when undeveloped and unexercised leads to such
great misery, monks, as does the mind.  The mind,
monks, undeveloped and unexercised leads to great
misery.”

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m bhaavita.m bahuliikata.m
mahato atthaaya sa.mvattati, yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, bhaavita.m bahuliikata.m mahato
atthaaya sa.mvattatii” ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when developed and exercised leads to such great
well-being, monks, as does the mind.  The mind, monks,
developed and exercised leads to great well-being.”

Metta,
John

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Warder - Exercise 2 (pages 19-20)
English into Pali (Part 2 of 3)

We ask the philosopher who is “well-gone”
pucchaama / sama.na.m / sugata.m
sama.na.m sugata.m pucchaama

The “thus-gone” gives up negligence
tathaagato / pajahati / pamaada.m
tathaagato pamaada.m pajahati

The lay disciples enter the village
upasakaa / pavisanti / gaama.m
upasakaa gaama.m pavisanti

The ascetics meditate
sama.naa / jhaayanti
sama.naa jhaayanti

Metta,
John

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Hi John,

You asked for any suttas where the Buddha gave guidance on raising
children.  There are a couple of suttas in which he instructs his son
Rahula (e.g. MN6! Ambalatthikarahulovada Sutta), but these are more
Buddha to Bhikkhu rather than parent to child.    I think if you
looked in the subject index at Access to Insight under children -
family - parents you would find mention in a number of suttas, but
not along the lines of child psychology or solving behaviour problems.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-subject.html
The Sigalovada Sutta is well-known of course.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/digha/dn31.html
   Times change and I don't think parents in the Buddha's time faced
the same things we do today - our children are absent from our care
(compulsorily) for seven or more hours a day under other authority
figures, they are bombarded by values we may not wish them to take on
board through the media, there is the strength of peer pressure, and
the absence of the educative influence and support of the extended
family.  Having raised two children successfully, a son and a
daughter, to young adulthood I was relieved to find that the values
and ethics I taught them in earlly childhood and young teen years
were still there when they emerged from the mid and late
teenage 'arrogant tunnel of self-absorption'.  They, of course, felt
it was I who had 'improved'. :-)   I think the Precepts say it all,
and taught with love, compassion and common sense will prove a useful
tool.  The major factor is parental example  - it can't be 'do as I
say, not as I do'.

metta and peace,
Christine
---The trouble is that you think you have time ---

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> Dear friends,
>
> Can anybody give me some sutta references where the
> Buddha gives lay people guidance on raising children?
>
> Thanks,
> John

Thanks Piya and others,

This seems to make sense - "and he should be".

Mettena
Michael


--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Piya Tan" <libris@s...> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> cassa = ca (and) + assa (should be)
>
> Sukhi.
>
> P.
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> Subject: [Pali] cassa?
>
>
> > IN the first verse of the metta sutta (Sn 1.) there is this
phrase:
> >
> > suuvaco cassa mudu anatimaanii
> >
> > I can't find the word "cassa" in any dictionary. I think I can see
> > from various translations what it might mean, but I'm interested
to
> > get a more authorative answer.
> >
> > BTW I'm using the chat.t.ha san.gaayana CD as my source.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> > Regards
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
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Dear Pali friends,

I have just completed a paper on "Money and Monastics" (a study of the 2nd
Council, the Maniculaka Sutta, etc). I forget a reference, wonder if anyone
can help.

Does anyone remember the reference in the Suttas where the Buddha declares
that the Buddha/s and the devas know/see everything that we do (or
something to that effect).

Sukhi.

Piya

Dear John,
It is always very useful, thank you very much. I just have one thing that
puzzled me: apaatubhuuta.m: not manifested.
I looked at PTS 1,4: footnote:
According to Comy.: a mind involved in the round of rebirth, incapable of
leaping up to, of taking delight in unworldly things, such as the Way,
nibbaana. Comy. quotes the Elder Phussamitta as saying: The mind that is on
the Way is cultivated, made lucid or manifest.
End quote. Thus, another option: not made lucid.
Nina.

op 04-06-2003 21:46 schreef John Kelly op palistudent@...:

> Pali - Every few days - [B040]
> Gair/Karunatillake - Chapter 3 – Further Readings
> Ex. 2.  (Part 3 of 5)
>
> “Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
> samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m abhaavita.m apaatubhuuta.m
> mahato anatthaaya sa.mvattati, yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
> citta.m.

Dear Piya,

Here are two passages:

SN 2.16.9 (Kassapasamyutta-- Jhanas and direct knowledges, BB I/p.673)

- Bhikkhus, to whatever extent I wish, I understand the minds of other beings
and persons, having encompassed them with my own mind. I understand a mind with
lust as a mind with lust; a mind without lust as a mind without lust; a mind
with hatred... without hatred... with delusion... without delusion... a
contracted mind as contracted and a distracted mind as distracted; an exalted
mind... unexalted... surpassable mind... unsurpassable... a concentrated mind...
unconcentrated... a liberated mind... and an unliberated mind as unliberated..

AN 6.6.62 (Book of the sixes, Great Chapter, The solemn utterance, PTS Engl. vol
3/p.288)

- Even so, Ananda, by mind compassing mind, I know of some person: "There is
good and evil in him"-- and then: "The good has disappeared, the evil is
uppermost; but the root of goodness is not cut off and from that good will
proceed. Thus he is bound not to fall in future." Verily, Ananda, thus, by mind
compassing mind, the person of man is known to the Tathaagata; thus by mind
compassing mind, the feelings and thoughts of man are known to the Tathaagata;
thus, by mind compassing mind, the future rise of things [Dhammasamuppaado] is
known to the Tathaagata."

I hope this is what you were looking for,

Rene
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   Subject: [Pali] Buddha knows


   Dear Pali friends,

   I have just completed a paper on "Money and Monastics" (a study of the 2nd
   Council, the Maniculaka Sutta, etc). I forget a reference, wonder if anyone
   can help.

   Does anyone remember the reference in the Suttas where the Buddha declares
   that the Buddha/s and the devas know/see everything that we do (or
   something to that effect).

   Sukhi.

   Piya


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Pali - Every few days - [B042]
Gair/Karunatillake - Chapter 3 – Further Readings
Ex. 2.  (Part 5 of 5)

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m abhaavita.m abahuliikata.m
dukkhaadhivaha.m hoti, yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, abhaavita.m abahuliikata.m
dukkhaadhivaha.m hotii” ti.
  “Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when undeveloped and unexercised is so full of
suffering, monks, as is the mind.  The mind, monks,
undeveloped and unexercised brings suffering.”

“Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m bhaavita.m bahuliikata.m
sukhaavaha.m hoti, yathayida.m, bhikkhave, citta.m.
Citta.m, bhikkhave, bhaavita.m bahuliikata.m
sukhaadhivaha.m hotii” ti.
“Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
that when developed and exercised is so full of
happiness, monks, as is the mind.  The mind, monks,
developed and exercised brings happiness.”
(A.N. 1.3. [1.21-30] Akammaniyavaggo)

Metta,
John

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More Pali - Every few days - [C012]
Warder - Exercise 2 (pages 19-20)
English into Pali (Part 3 of 3)

The substance remains
kaayo / titthati
kaayo titthati

He reaches the top
phusati / agga.m
agga.m phusati

We ask the philosopher the meaning
pucchaama / sama.na.m / attha.m
sama.na.m attha.m pucchaama

He gives alms
dadaati (deti) / pinda.m
pinda.m dadaati (deti)

End of Exercise 2

Metta,
John

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Thanks very much for your thoughtful and helpful
reply.  I was curious as to whether the Buddha ever
said anything to lay people directly about raising a
family.  There are brief references about caring for
family in Sigalavada Sutta and the Maha Mangala Sutta,
but I was wondering if there was more.  I totally
agree with you about compassion and following the
precepts being the keys to successfully raising
children.  Perhaps no more needs to be said.

Thank you.  I hope your Pali course at Uni of Qld is
going well.

John

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Dear Rene,

Those are two really great references, which are very useful.

However there is still another reference where devas are also mentioned. I'm
sure it's on the four Nikayas but I have been unable to locate the Pali
text.

Thanks again.

Sukhi.

P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rene Salm" <rsalm@...>
To: <Pali@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 07 June, 2003 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Pali] Buddha knows


> Dear Piya,
>
> Here are two passages:
>
> SN 2.16.9 (Kassapasamyutta-- Jhanas and direct knowledges, BB I/p.673)
>
> - Bhikkhus, to whatever extent I wish, I understand the minds of other
beings and persons, having encompassed them with my own mind. I understand a
mind with lust as a mind with lust; a mind without lust as a mind without
lust; a mind with hatred... without hatred... with delusion... without
delusion... a contracted mind as contracted and a distracted mind as
distracted; an exalted mind... unexalted... surpassable mind...
unsurpassable... a concentrated mind... unconcentrated... a liberated
mind... and an unliberated mind as unliberated..
>
> AN 6.6.62 (Book of the sixes, Great Chapter, The solemn utterance, PTS
Engl. vol 3/p.288)
>
> - Even so, Ananda, by mind compassing mind, I know of some person: "There
is good and evil in him"-- and then: "The good has disappeared, the evil is
uppermost; but the root of goodness is not cut off and from that good will
proceed. Thus he is bound not to fall in future." Verily, Ananda, thus, by
mind compassing mind, the person of man is known to the Tathaagata; thus by
mind compassing mind, the feelings and thoughts of man are known to the
Tathaagata; thus, by mind compassing mind, the future rise of things
[Dhammasamuppaado] is known to the Tathaagata."
>
> I hope this is what you were looking for,
>
> Rene
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Piya Tan
>   To: Pali Website
>   Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:29 AM
>   Subject: [Pali] Buddha knows
>
>
>   Dear Pali friends,
>
>   I have just completed a paper on "Money and Monastics" (a study of the
2nd
>   Council, the Maniculaka Sutta, etc). I forget a reference, wonder if
anyone
>   can help.
>
>   Does anyone remember the reference in the Suttas where the Buddha
declares
>   that the Buddha/s and the devas know/see everything that we do (or
>   something to that effect).
>
>   Sukhi.
>
>   Piya
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John,

I thinks a~n~na us here better rendered as "any". Technical accuracy should
never get in the way of bringing out the "sense" (attha) of the Buddha Word.

Sukhi.

P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kelly" <palistudent@...>
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Sent: Saturday, 07 June, 2003 5:15 AM
Subject: [Pali] Pali - Every few days - [B042]


> Pali - Every few days - [B042]
> Gair/Karunatillake - Chapter 3 - Further Readings
> Ex. 2.  (Part 5 of 5)
>
> "Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
> samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m abhaavita.m abahuliikata.m
> dukkhaadhivaha.m hoti, yathayida.m, bhikkhave,
> citta.m.
> Citta.m, bhikkhave, abhaavita.m abahuliikata.m
> dukkhaadhivaha.m hotii" ti.
>  "Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
> that when undeveloped and unexercised is so full of
> suffering, monks, as is the mind.  The mind, monks,
> undeveloped and unexercised brings suffering."
>
> "Naaha.m, bhikkhave, a~n~na.m ekadhammam pi
> samanupassaami, ya.m eva.m bhaavita.m bahuliikata.m
> sukhaavaha.m hoti, yathayida.m, bhikkhave, citta.m.
> Citta.m, bhikkhave, bhaavita.m bahuliikata.m
> sukhaadhivaha.m hotii" ti.
> "Monks, indeed I do not perceive another single thing
> that when developed and exercised is so full of
> happiness, monks, as is the mind.  The mind, monks,
> developed and exercised brings happiness."
> (A.N. 1.3. [1.21-30] Akammaniyavaggo)
>
> Metta,
> John
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On Koran Window 2000, I can't use PaliTrans.exe correctly.

Are there any method to use PaliTrans.exe on Korean Window 2000?

Hi John,

Sorry for being so cryptic.  I think Warder chose "philosopher"
for "sama.na" to show that the word evolved from "ascetic" and
"wanderer".  For example, non-Buddhists refer to Buddha as
"Sama.no Gotamo" and when Warder introduces Puura.no Kassapo
he refers to him as a "sama.na".

I think it is probably useful for other beginners like myself to
see alternative translations. With that in mind, could you give
Warder's answer when it differs from your own?

Thanks again and the Best to you.
Paul


--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <palistudent@y...> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> > vaada.m vadanti
> > My own answer was "They make a statement." but
> Warder in his
> >answer key has the stronger, "They speak (state) an
> argument."
> I like your answer here very much.  I think all 3 -
> Warder's, yours, mine - are all equally valid, and
> ultimately one would make a choice based on context of
> the phrase within a larger extract, and the style of
> translation one wanted.
>
> > sama.ne attha.m pucchanti
> > ascetics / meaning / they ask
> > They ask the ascetics the meaning
> >How do you feel about "philosopher" for "sama.na"?
> "Philosopher" is fine, too, though it is a little more
> specific.  What about "wanderer" as an another
> alternative?
>
> Best Wishes to you,
> John
>
>
>
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