This is a notion I find downright hilarious.  First
because the last I knew the military was still taking
steps to downsize anyway.  Second because, as was
pointed out to me by a friend, if such a boycott were
to work then the *only* members of the armed forces
would be Pagans and other non-Christians, entirely the
opposite of what they wish to accomplish.

So far their one attempt at legislation in this
direction has been thrown out, and this boycott idea
is backwards.  Definitely keeping an eye on the
situation for any time my vote/letter/petition
signature may be needed, but so far I find this more
annoying and sad than worrisome.

Blessings,
Firefly

--- Lowell McFarland <lowell@...> wrote:
> From: Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
>
> The Austin American-Statesman, Austin, Texas, USA.,
> has an article > about some conservative Christian
religious leaders, > angered over > Pagans being
allowed free exercise of religion at > some Army
> posts, calling for all Christians to boycott
> enlisting and > re-enlisting in the Army:
>
http://www.statesman.com/news/2state/1999/06/10wiccaboycott.html
>
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At 15:14 6/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
>From: NYOUNGMAN@...
>
><<  I was wondering if anyone knows of any other mainstream rock
> bands (or any other mainstream bands, for that matter) that have introduced
> pagan themes into their music. >>
>
>Oh goody....a great excuse to quit lurking. :)
>
>Check out some Rush if you're interested in this sort of thing. Two obvious
>examples are "Animate" from _Counterparts_ and "Totem" from _Test For Echo_.
>Since the lyrics are so good I'll go ahead and include them:
>
>Animate
>
>Polarize me
>Sensitize me
>Criticize me
>Civilize me
>
>Compensate me
>Animate me
>Complicate me
>Elevate me
>
>Goddess in my garden
>Sister in my soul
>Angel in my armor
>Actress in my role
>
>Daughter of a demon-lover
>Empress of the hidden face
>Priestess of the pagan mother
>Ancient queen of inner space
>
>Spirit in my psyche
>Double in my role
>Alter in my image
>Struggle for control
>
>Mistress of the dark unconscious
>Mermaid of the lunar sea
>Daughter of the great enchantress
>Sister to the boy inside of me
>
>My counterpart--my foolish heart
>A man must learn to rule his tender part
>A warming trend--a gentle friend
>A man must build a fortress to defend
>
>A secret face--a touch of grace
>A man must learn to give a little space
>A peaceful state--a submissive trait
>A man must learn to gently dominate
>*********
>
>Totem
>
>I've got twelve disciples and a Buddha smile
>The Garden of Allah--Viking Valhalla
>A miracle once in a while
>
>I've got a pantheon of animals in a pagan soul
>Vishnu and Gaia--Aztec and Maya
>Dance around my totem pole
>
>I believe in what I see
>I believe in what I hear
>I believe that what I'm feeling
>Changes how the world appears
>
>Angels and demons dancing in my head
>Lunatics and monsters underneath my bed
>Media messiahs preying on my fears
>Pop culture prophets playing in my ears
>
>I've got celestial mechanics
>to synchronize my stars
>Seasonal migrations--daily variations
>World of the unlikely and bizarre
>
>I've got idols and icons, unspoken holy vows
>Thoughts to keep well-hidden--
>sacred and forbidden
>Free to browse among the holy cows
>
>That's why I believe...
>
>Angels and demons inside of me
>Saviors and Satans all around me
>
>Sweet chariot, swing low, come for me...
>
>
>Now go buy the CDs. :) :)
>
>BB--
>
>Nicole
>A Pagan feminist sociologist Rush fan in Alabama
>
>
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Mary-Anne G. Wolf wrote:
>
> I was thinking how a lot of Anglo Pagans have "appropriated" Navaho
> traditions.  I was wondering
> 1) whether some Pagans might have records the tribal government
> does not know about but would want to know about (or Anthropology
> professors, or for that matter)
>
	 Unlikely in the case of the Navaho.  While some other tribes have been
more open about their spiritual rituals and practices, the Pueblo
peoples in general and the Navaho specifically have generally been
tight-lipped about them, sometimes even within their own tribes.  Many
Navaho believe that harm will befall the People if the ceremonies are
performed incorrectly and without the proper reverence.  This is also
likely why there are few apprentices as well.



> 2) whether Pagans might provide a source of non-Navaho apprentices
> if the tribal government wants them and
>
	 If they do, then yes I personally know lots of folks who would love to
apprentice (if they would succeed or not it another story).  If they
don't, then no.  Some rituals have already died out (some kivas are even
empty now) and it is said that this causes less harm than to "corrupt"
them.
	 Sadly, it will not be the first nor the last loss of such cultural
rites.



> 3) whether the "danger of loss" is as great as they say, or more
> a justification for spending the money.
>
	 I suppose it would depend on the value one placed on the rituals.  The
Cherokee gave up most of their rituals and few good sources remain
today, even in anthropology and religious studies work.


> Mary-Anne
> --------------------
>


			 -- kelley
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If you did not catch the NPR "All Things Considered" broadcast about Wiccans in
the Military, they have it on their website at:

http://programs.npr.org/npr2/PrgDisp.cfm?PrgDate=06/09/99&PrgID=2

Many Blessings,
Christina Jolly

Lowell McFarland wrote:

> From: Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
>
> Both National Public Radio (NPR), All Things Considered, and
> Chris Matthews Hardball, CNBC TV, will have segments on
> Wicca and the Military tonight, Wednesday, June 9th, 1999.
>     Representative Barr, as well as other principals, will be
> interviewed.
>     Please consult local radio and television listings for times and
> stations.
>
>     Thank you to Wren Walker and Druid Seabhac Fionn
>
> Loch Sloy!
> TuanToday
> Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
> *********************************
>     Witches Voice
>     From: Wren <Wren@...>
>
> This is up on the Nest:http://www.witchvox.com/xwrensnest.html
>
> Tonight on "Hardball":
>
> The latest on the peace in Kosovo....
>
> Witches in the armed forces?! And....
>
> Dan Quayle talks about the "race to replace Bill Clinton"..
>
> Tonight at 8pm and 11pm ET/ PT on "Hardball with Chris Matthews."
>
> Tonight's Guests:
> Dan Quayle
> (R) Presidential Candidate
>
> Wayne LaPierre
> National Rifle Association
>
> Hanna Rosin
> Washington Post
>
> Clarence Page
> Chicago Tribune
>
> Susan Molinari
> (R) Fmr. New York Congresswoman
>
> Rep. Ellen Tauscher
> (D) California
>
> Jay Jacobson
> ACLU of Texas, Exec. Director
>
> Rep. Bob Barr
> (R) Georgia
>
> Website:  <b><a HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/hb"> HARDBALL</a></b>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> National Public Radio's All Things Considered just ran a nice piece on
> the
> topic.  It was a well-balanced story, with an interview with the
> Priestess
> who runs the circle at Fort Hood, and also an interveiw with
> Congressmand
> Bob Barr.  They closed saying that Bob Barr is going to launch an
> investigation.
>
> If you are interested in hearing the story, later tonite try listening
> to
> the latest show on their web page: http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/
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I can well understand some of the medicine men not wanting to be found.
There are many who did pass on a lot of their knowledge to others, but a
lot of people who stuided under them are reluctant to come out of hiding
too for various reasons.  Times have changed and the younger grnerations
has changed.  They no longer truly believe in the old ways and no
government funding can change that.  The path of  the medicine man, the
druid the old witch <not wicca> is not one of instant gratification and
casting a  spell everytime you want something.  It involves years of
study and a lot of hard work for what is much of the time a thankless
job.  It is not a job that one  can approach with a thirst for power but
with a sense of responsibility.  It is a shame that so much knowledge
will die out with the older generations....but better to let knowledge
die than to pass it on to a generation who will misuse and abuse it for
selfish reasons.

Before anyone starts yelling at me, I seperated wicca and the
traditional witch above for the mere fact that they are two completely
different paths...and it is the older path that is endangered of
becoming extinct.

<grin> attempting to bridge the gap between the pagan-digest format from
before, and the new shiny onelist version....

rita wrote:

> Re comments by Rose: I agree about the cartoon. There is such a thing as
> being oversensitive. Like the politacal aide who was deemed "insensitive
> to blacks because he used the word "niggardly" which is totally
unrelated
> to "nigger."

actually, the workers' world news had a very astute article on this at the
time, saying that how a word is perceived, its connotation, is at least as
important as its dictionary denotation.  they said,
"If this is all a terrible misunderstanding, why the outrage, the anger?
Because of racism. Racism is at the root of this movement away from
sensitivity to each other. Niggardly may not technically have a racial
meaning, but isn't comprehension as large a component of communication as
speech? Can any serious advocate for mutuality and respect among
nationalities leave the human experience out of this discussion?
What of the human experience in DC? A city where a trillion-plus-dollars
budget is administered, that has the highest number of PhDs per capita,
where the median income is near the highest in the country. But also a
city where the citizenry don't have voting rights, where the infant
mortality and violent death rates are also near the highest in the
country. This is a city where many are undereducated and underemployed.
Where many live in substandard housing yards from shameless opulence. Most
district residents live with this stark contrast every day. Those who are
nationally oppressed have the added burden of the hostility, indifference
and discrimination that come with racism."

i think there's definitely such a thing as being oversensitive, and that
we need to become aware as a group of what misuses of "witch" come with
the intent to harm us, and what just come from the fact that many people
have never even heard that witchcraft is a religion. <grin> i just have a
strong reaction to that particular example of this, because of the facts
surrounding the "niggardly" incident: an aide to the DC mayor used the
word, his staff members were offended and said so, he apologized. then
someone leaked the incident to the press, the aide realized he'd damaged
his crediblity with a big part of the people he was serving, and he
resigned. then the press totally blew the incident up: the "Today" show
(which has not been kind or accurate with Paganism in the past either, i
believe) reported wrongly that the aide had been fired due to "the
ignorance of his subordinate," the person who objected to the term. This
started a huge national furor, during which the Washington Post lashed out
in an editorial that called for the aide's reinstatement - AND the firing
of whoever complained - and snidely suggested that "thesauruses be handed
out" to the remaining staff. (They eventually let another Post staff
member write his own editorial saying that the whole event was
"essentially a personnel management mix up [which] has turned into a
national referendum on the ignorance and hypersensitivity of Black
people.") But in a country where someone in a staff meeting, objecting to
a term because it sounded racist, leads to a very public national debate
over whether they should be fired for doing so, can you blame them for
being that sensitive to the term in the first place?

on the witches/macbeth issue - I remember learning in tenth grade english
that Shakespeare put the witches in as part of his grand Kissing Up To
King James scheme, because james was on a huge anti-witch/anti-pagans
kick, inquisition, rewriting the bible, all that, and shakespeare went "i
know, i'll put some nasty evil nekkid witches in here and show them as
evil and that will make him happy." or something like that - it's been a
while :-)

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In a message dated 6/12/99 1:19:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
NYOUNGMAN@... writes:
>  <<  I was wondering if anyone knows of any other mainstream rock
>   bands (or any other mainstream bands, for that matter) that have
introduced
>   pagan themes into their music. >>
>
>  Oh goody....a great excuse to quit lurking. :)
>
>  Check out some Rush if you're interested in this sort of thing. Two
obvious
>  examples are "Animate" from _Counterparts_ and "Totem" from _Test For
Echo_.

I have (and Love all of) "Test For Echo". It also has a great song about
online relationships called "Virtuality" and "Resist" is one of my personal
theme songs.

Another song that comes to mind is Jimmy Buffet's "Fruitcakes", from the CD
by the same name. It's not specifically about Paganism but is his commentary
of the present state of craziness in the world -- the government, religions,
relationships, the price of snacks at the movies  -- and maybe the fact that
we need a few more "fruitcakes" around to shake up the status quo. :-) The
thing I find the most interesting is that he says "it's the Pagan in me"...
is this a hint?

"Where's the church, who took the steeple
Religion's in the hands of some crazy ass people
Television preachers with bad hair and dimples
The God's honest truth is, it's not that simple

It's the Buddhist in you, it's the Pagan in me.
It's the Muslim in him, she's Catholic ain't she?"

Blessings,

Moon

<<  I was wondering if anyone knows of any other mainstream rock
   bands (or any other mainstream bands, for that matter) that have introduced
   pagan themes into their music. >>

A fave of mine is a folk singer named Dar Williams. Below I have copied the
lyrics to one of her songs "The Christians and the Pagans".... Really good
tune! Check her out!

     -PaganLez   )O(

THE CHRISTIANS AND THE PAGANS
from MORTAL CITY (1995)

Words and music by Dar Williams

Amber called her uncle, said "We're up here for the holiday,
Jane and I were having solstice, now we need a place to stay."
And her Christ-loving uncle watched his wife hang Mary on a tree,
He watched his son hang candy canes all made with red dye number three.

He told his niece, "It's Christmas eve, I know our life is not your style,"
She said, "Christmas is like Solstice, and we miss you and it's been awhile,"

So the Christians and the Pagans sat together at the table,
Finding faith and common ground the best that they were able,
And just before the meal was served, hands were held and prayers were said,
Sending hope for peace on earth to all their gods and goddesses.

The food was great, the tree plugged in, the meal had gone without a hitch,
Till Timmy turned to Amber and said, "Is it true that you're a witch?"
His mom jumped up and said, "The pies are burning," and she hit the kitchen,
And it was Jane who spoke, she said, "It's true, your cousin's not a
Christian,"
"But we love trees, we love the snow, the friends we have, the world we share,
And you find magic from your God, and we find magic everywhere."

So the Christians and the Pagans sat together at the table,
Finding faith and common ground the best that they were able,
And where does magic come from, I think magic's in the learning,
Cause now when Christians sit with Pagans only pumpkin pies are burning.

When Amber tried to do the dishes, her aunt said, "Really, no, don't bother."
Amber's uncle saw how Amber looked like Tim and like her father.
He thought about his brother, how they hadn't spoken in a year,
He thought he'd call him up and say, "It's Christmas and your daughter's
here."
He thought of fathers, sons and brothers, saw his own son tug his sleeve,
saying,
"Can I be a Pagan?"  Dad said, "We'll discuss it when they leave,"

So the Christians and the Pagans sat together at the table,
Finding faith and common ground the best that they were able,
Lighting trees in darkness, learning new ways from the old, and
Making sense of history and drawing warmth out of the cold.

I am glad to see the move to onelist has gone smoothly thanks to Uther. :)

I am sorry if I shouldn't post this, i'm not sure what the rules are, but
I run WiccanNet (http://www.wiccan.net/) - we offer web hosting and e-mail
for Wiccans and Pagans at affordable costs.  I apologize for "spamming"
anyone.  I hope you and your families are all well.

B*B

Eric
WiccanNet (http://www.wiccan.net/)
Boulder, CO

In a message dated 99-06-12 01:19:03 EDT, you write:

<< I wonder if anyone out there can help me with a FACTUAL matter.  I
  understand that in South America at present there may be some evangelical
  missionaries coercing Los Indios in the jungle to adopt Christianity.  Can
  anyone help me with some names? >>

peru is the #1 choice of U.S. organized xtians to proselytize in.  there are
more indians of traditional religion and fewer whites (% of population) there
than anywhere else in the western hemisphere.

btw, using the term "indio" in south america is like saying "ni--er" in the
U.S.  the preferred term is "indigeno/indigena," or, better yet, "runa,"
(pronounced ROO-nuh), a word that means "people" in the most widely spoken
south american language, qechua.

i am a serious student of the wisdom of the Runa of the selva, altiplano, and
especially the puna (jungle, high plains, and the andes mountains), having
studied with them for the last six years both here and in peru.  the q'ero,
who live at 17,000 feet, are my most most cherished mentors.

-s

On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 NYOUNGMAN@... wrote:

> <<  I was wondering if anyone knows of any other mainstream rock
>  bands (or any other mainstream bands, for that matter) that have introduced
>  pagan themes into their music. >>
>
> Check out some Rush if you're interested in this sort of thing. Two obvious
> examples are "Animate" from _Counterparts_ and "Totem" from _Test For Echo_.
> Since the lyrics are so good I'll go ahead and include them:
>

Alos check out some Inkubuss Sukkbus,if you can find them. <grins> *VERY*
pagan. And Faith and the Muse, too. Both are extremely pagan themed bands.
Mercedes Lackey's music is also very good, but you'd have to order that
form Firedbird Arts and Music.

NoirRose

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Folks, if you want the Pagan Forum in DIGEST mode, you have to go to the
website and modify your user settings.

Uther

I just uploaded a major update to the International Calendar of Events
(covering events 2 days or longer of interest to Pagans) at:
http://members.aol.com/lcorncalen/CALENDAR.htm

After an announcement, a new Ohio Calendar of Events is at:
http://members.aol.com/lcorncalen/CAL-OHIO.htm

Both have links to some pertinent Earth Religion Rights Webpages.

You can print the calendars out from their websites or import them as an
ASCII files for your publication simply by hitting <control><A> to select
the whole calendar, copying, and then pasting into blank word processing
documents.  They look good in Courier 12 with 0.2 margins, Courier 11 with
wider margins, etc.

To format them like I do my hardcopy calendars, convert the body of the
calendars into Courier 7.5 and set it up in two column format in landscape,
with 0.2" margins--then adjust the page breaks, take out any bugs, and bold
the headers.  The whole process should take less than an hour per calendar.

Blessed Be and Never Thirst!

Larry Cornett

Alex Sheshunoff, president of E-The People, announced
that he has a petition relative to Rep. Bob Barr's efforts to
proscribe Pagans in the US Military:
http://www.e-thepeople.com/petition.cfm?PETID=153111

     Petition included.

     Thank you to Gypsy.

Loch Sloy!
Tuan Today
Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
*********************************
     E-The People

     Bob Barr's removing a religion from the Military

     The following individuals have taken issue with Mr. Bob
Barr's recent statements regarding his desire to see the
practice of the Wiccan religion removed from military
bases.
     First, Wicca does not involve the use of any mind or mood
altering drug nor the use of any illegal substance, as suggested
by Mr. Barr in his statements.

     Second, Wicca does not involve the use of animals for sacrifice,
also suggested by Mr.Barr.
     While Wiccans understand the need for the military to limit some
of the constitutional rights enjoyed by civilians, and would be willing
to discuss the possibilty of limitations to their practices in order to
keep the cohesion of the military forces on the base, the complete
removal of Wicca as a form of worship on military bases would be
denying those serving in the military their First Amendment right to
freely practice their religion.

     Mr. Barr's statements also suggest that the practice of Wicca on
military bases is similar to a favor given to those personnel.
     That is completely incorrect. Wicca has been recognized by the
military as a religion for over 15 years now.
     The Federal Supreme Court awarded Wiccan churches the right
to receive the same tax-exemption status as other mainstream religions.
     In the mid-1980's the U.S. Army Chaplain's manual began including
a section on Wicca.

     We urgently and respectfully ask that you do not overturn the First
Amendment right for Wiccans to freely practice their religon on Military
bases.

The Austin American-Statesman, Austin, Texas, USA., has an article
about some conservative Christian religious leaders, angered over
Pagans being allowed free exercise of religion at some Army
posts, calling for all Christians to boycott enlisting and
re-enlisting in the Army:
http://www.statesman.com/news/2state/1999/06/10wiccaboycott.html

     Excerpts are included.
     The entire article should be read for accuracy and completeness.

     "A group of politically influential conservative [Christian]
religious organizations told Christians on Wednesday to boycott
joining or re-enlisting in the U.S. Army until it bans witchcraft
rituals on posts."

      "Until the Army withdraws all official support and approval
from witchcraft, no Christian should enlist or re-enlist in the
Army, and Christian parents should not allow their children to
join the Army," said Paul M.Weyrich, president of the Free
Congress Association, one of the organizations calling for the
boycott."

     "John Machate, coordinator for the Military Pagan Network,
called the boycott "a direct attack on the Constitution of the
United States."
[http://www.milpagan.org/]

         One of the country's most sacred tenets is the First
Amendment, which guarantees the freedom of speech and
religion, Machate said.

        "All religions are protected, not just those that Congress,
the president or Supreme Court determine," he said.
     "All religions are and should be permitted free practice on
military bases, within reasonable limits."

	 Additional articles:
http://www.milpagan.org/barr.htm
http://www.statesman.com/news/1metro/1999/05/11wicca2.html

Loch Sloy!
Tuan Today
Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
*********************************
     The Austin American-Statesman
     Until Army rejects Wicca, 13 [Christian] groups call
for boycott

     By Kim Sue Lia Perkes
     American-Statesman Staff

     Published: June 10, 1999

     A group of politically influential conservative religious
organizations told Christians on Wednesday to boycott
joining or re-enlisting in the U.S. Army until it bans witchcraft
rituals on posts.

      "Until the Army withdraws all official support and approval
from witchcraft, no Christian should enlist or re-enlist in the
Army, and Christian parents should not allow their children to
join the Army," said Paul M.Weyrich, president of the Free
Congress Association, one of the organizations calling for the
boycott.
     "An Army that sponsors satanic rituals is unworthy of
representing the United States of America."

     Among the 13 groups calling for the boycott are such
familiar names as the Christian Coalition, Traditional Values
Coalition, Christian Action Network and the American
Family Association. The Christian Coalition alone boasts
2.1 million members.

    [US Military] Fort Hood officials, faced with a congressman's
demand [Rep. Bob Barr] that Wicca rituals be banned, said last
month that the practices would be allowed to continue.

     Fort Hood sanctioned Wicca three years ago by providing
space for rituals, and Wiccan groups now are springing up on
U.S. military bases worldwide.

       "The official approval of Satanism and witchcraft by the
Army is a direct assault on the Christian faith that generations
of American soldiers have fought and died for," Weyrich said.

        John Machate, coordinator for the Military Pagan Network,
called the boycott "a direct attack on the Constitution of the
United States."
[http://www.milpagan.org/]

         One of the country's most sacred tenets is the First
Amendment, which guarantees the freedom of speech and
religion, Machate said.

        "All religions are protected, not just those that Congress,
the president or Supreme Court determine," he said.
     "All religions are and should be permitted free practice on
military bases, within reasonable limits."

       According to the pagan network, a national civil rights
organization for pagans, at least six military installations allow
witches to practice their rituals.

       Thirteen installations and two Navy ships are home to
Wiccan study groups.

     [Rep. Bob] Barr attempted, but failed, to attach an
amendment dealing with the issue on to the U.S. Department
of Defense budget. Barr has called the practice of witchcraft
on bases "nonsense."

     TALK BACK
     What do you think of Fort hood's decision to allow
Wiccan worship?
http://www.statesman.com/news/1metro/1999/05/11wiccatalk.html

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There are two articles about Celtic Witch Sully Erna,
her hit CD Godsmack, and problems with Wal-Mart and Kmart.

  LiveDaily has an article about Wal-Mart and Kmart yanking
the music album Godsmack, because of a Pentagram on the
cover and lyrics:
http://www.livedaily.com:80/archive/1999/9906/wk1/Godsmack_Album_Pulled_Fro.html
   Toledo Blade, Toledo, Ohio, USA:
http://www.toledoblade.com:80/editorial/yonke/9f06yonk.htm

     Excerpts are included.
     The entire articles should be read for accuracy and completeness.

     "Kevin Clarke examined his son's CD and took offense to
an image of a pentagram, a Pagan symbol occasionally
appropriated in Satanic ceremony, and lyrics that he
felt were dark enough to make suicide seem an option
to youngsters."

    "Witchcraft .¦.¦. mellows me out. It reminds
me to be a nice person."
    Godsmack's Celtic Witch Sully Erna

Loch Sloy!
Tuan Today
Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
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     LiveDaily
     Godsmack Album Pulled From Wal-Mart, Kmart Stores
     A Cleveland parent's complaints over album cover art and
lyrics have resulted in self-titled album being pulled from
national distribution.

     The outcry of a Cleveland-area parent over his son's
purchase of a Godsmack CD at Wal-Mart has convinced
officials at both Wal-Mart and Kmart to pull the album
from store shelves.

     Kevin Clarke examined his son's CD and took offense
to an image of a pentagram, a Pagan symbol occasionally
appropriated in Satanic ceremony, and lyrics that he
felt were dark enough to make suicide seem an option
to youngsters.

     The album was released 20 weeks ago, and is selling
briskly enough to rank 23rd on the Billboard pop album
chart.

     Published: Wed Jun  2, 1999 at  02:51:17 Pacific Time
     Writer: Richard Tafoya for Livedaily.com

     Copyright © 1999 Ticketmaster Online - CitySearch, Inc.
     All rights reserved. Do not duplicate or redistribute in any
form.
http://www.livedaily.com:80/archive/1999/9906/wk1/Godsmack_Album_Pulled_Fro.html
***********************************************************
    Toledo Blade
    A MELLOW WITCH: "I use (witchcraft) as a tool for the times
that I'm not feeling so well, or if I'm stressed out or feeling
a little bit out of control, not dealing with situations well,"
says Sully Erna, founder of the rock quartet Godsmack and a
practicing witch in the Celtic tradition, in an interview with
Pollstar magazine. "Witchcraft .¦.¦. mellows me out. It reminds
me to be a nice person."
[http://www.pollstar.com/]
    David Yonke is The Blade's pop music writer. He can be
reached by e-mail at yonke@....
http://www.toledoblade.com:80/editorial/yonke/9f06yonk.htm

The Washington Post, Washington, DC., USA., has an
article about the US Military, its acceptance of Wicca
as a legitimate minority religion and the angry intolerant
efforts by some, against Witches and the US Military:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/june99/wicca08.htm

     Excerpts are included.
     The entire article should be read for accuracy and completeness.

     Thank you to Selena Fox, <circle@...>
http://www.circlesanctuary.org/

     "To the Army, the wiccans are part of a proud American
tradition,  proof that "people with different religious beliefs are
all working together successfully," said [Fort Hood spokesman
Lt. Col. Ben ] Santos, "role models to fractured nations such as
Bosnia and Kosovo. "

     "In the two years since Fort Hood approved wiccans, open
circles have popped up at other military bases: Fort Polk in
Louisiana, Fort Wainwright in Alaska, Kadena Air Force
Base in Okinawa and Fort Barrancas in Florida.
     A high priestess was just approved in Germany, and another
has applied on the Kosovo mission.

      "We are at the end of one age and the beginning of another,"
said [Wiccan High Priestess] Palmer at a Wednesday class. "Our
time has finally come.""

NOTE: Thank you also to Hanna Rosin (Washington Post)
and other (presumably) non-Pagan, secular and religious
reporters.
     Pagans indicate a new and responsible reporting by the
majority of news writers on the issue of Pagans, their
peaceful religious celebrations (on and off US Military bases),
their opening bookstores, their children's wearing of pentagrams,
reading Wiccan books, researching Wiccans, Celts, Druids,
Witches, Shamans, etc., on the Internet, etc.
     This is a serious issue, where a small but important group of
American mainstream religious leaders, are attempting to proscribe
the religious practices of everybody, decide which religions are
"real", decide who can worship in the military, decide which
religious bookstores can open, decide whose religious statements
may appear on government, school and courtroom walls, decide
which prayers and religious statements are permitted at public
functions, decide what religious jewelry, which religious books,
which Internet religious information, etc.,, is permitted to
children in public schools, decide what constitutional rights
Pagans have, or do not have, etc.

Loch Sloy!
Tuan Today
Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
*********************************
     The Washington Post

     Witches Stir Controversy in the Army

     By Hanna Rosin
     Washington Post Staff Writer
     Tuesday, June 8, 1999; Page A1

     KILLEEN, Tex. – Every full moon for the past two years,
a few dozen off-duty soldiers have gathered at an open
campsite at Fort Hood, America's largest military post. By
day, they are privates and sergeants in the U.S. Army, training
for deployment to Korea, Bosnia, Kosovo.
    But at these lunar assemblies they trade in their Army
fatigues for hooded robes, chant to the lead of their chosen
high priestess and dance around a fire well into the night.

      Two summers ago, the Army approved the Fort Hood
Open Circle as its first official wiccan group.
     Without much fanfare, Fort Hood officials gave them a grassy
campsite for their sacred ground, sanctioned their choice of
high priestess – even lent them an Army chaplain for moral
support.

      Twice a week, the wiccans hold evening classes on subjects
such as lunar cycles and the meaning of a coven.
     On full moons and eight sacred holidays, they and dozens of
more witches from the surrounding area watch the high priestess
lift her dagger over a ball of salt and honor the blessed earth.
     The events are posted on base and open to anyone interested.
     Except for a handful of letters from irate fundamentalist
Christians in nearby Killeen, the rituals attracted little notice
until recently.

     Within days, Christian groups were calling the base and
threatening to stage a march in town and disrupt the rituals,
forcing the Army to beef up security around the campsite.

     Since then, witch skittishness has spread as far as Washington.
"Please stop this nonsense now," Rep. Robert L. Barr Jr. (R-Ga.)
wrote to Lt. Gen. Leon S. Leponte, the commanding officer of
Fort Hood.
     "What's next?
     Will armored divisions be forced to travel with sacrificial
animals for Satanic rituals?
     Will Rastafarians demand the inclusion of ritualistic
marijuana cigarettes in their rations?"

     (Rep. Bob) Barr is threatening hearings and legislation, yet
so far the Army brass at Fort Hood is shrugging.
     In the new equal-opportunity military, where diversity is
strength, minority religions are not merely tolerated but
welcomed. As long as a group does not interfere with discipline,
the military will help it find an off-base leader and a place to
practice its beliefs, explained Fort Hood spokesman Lt. Col.
Ben Santos.

     Far from clashing cultures, the wiccans and the military
coexist cheerfully.
     To the Army, the wiccans are part of a proud American
tradition, proof that "people with different religious beliefs are
all working together successfully," said Santos, "role models to
fractured nations such as Bosnia and Kosovo."
     To the wiccans, the military is an adopted home, far more
tolerant than the narrow, bigoted world outside.
     "Most people think of [soldiers] as mindless robots who kill
babies," said Marcy Palmer, the Fort Hood high priestess.
     "But we see more discrimination in the civilian world.
     The military is actually much more sensitive."

      For a group out to dispel images of broomsticks and black
magic, [Wiccan High Priestess] Palmer proved the perfect
choice: A six-year veteran of the military police, Palmer had
won a coveted soldier-of-the-year award and now works at
the pediatric section of the Army hospital.

     Such descriptions of peace-loving wiccans rankle some local
Christians.
     "Everyone thinks they're such sweet, lovely people," said the
[Christian] Rev. Jack Harvey, who runs the Tabernacle Baptist
Church in Killeen.
     But [Rev.] Harvey, who prides himself on his church's strictness
– no dancing or drinking, no Halloween or Santa Claus or Easter
Bunny – knows better.
     He has compiled a hand-scrawled list of relevant Scripture
entitled "Witchcraft is Wicked."

     "God says, 'Suffer not a witch to live,'‚" he said.
     "We would like to see them saved, but God doesn't change his
mind."
     Over the summer, [Rev.] Harvey is writing letters, planning
protests, calling every member of Congress he knows.
     "We need to stop them," he said. "We're not going to quit until
they're gone."

      What's at stake for Harvey and his followers is nothing short
of the nation's future.
      If the military goes, what's left?

      [Christian] John Walton, a member of [Rev.] Harvey's
church, worked as a chaplain at Fort Hood for 5½ years.
     He entered the chaplain corps with dreams of joining the
line of uniformed prophets who had ministered to Robert E.
Lee and Stonewall Jackson.
     But a few classes of sensitivity training at Army Chaplain
School in New Jersey put his chosen career in perspective.

      The guiding principle taught at the school was Offend No
One, Walton explained.
     Chaplains were trained to minister to any soldier who came
seeking help no matter what their religion, and told never to
criticize.
     For Walton, the job description might as well have been
"glorified social worker."

     When he graduated, Walton was told to keep the name
Jesus out of his sermons, to stick to God instead.
     When he refused, his name was removed from a roster of
preachers for Sunday service.

      When the Army sanctioned the Fort Hood Open Circle,
Walton gave up:
       In January, he quit the chaplain corps.

       Walton's righteous Christian chaplains are long gone, and
the military's new democracy of religion is already deeply
entrenched.
     In the two years since Fort Hood approved wiccans, open
circles have popped up at other military bases: Fort Polk in
Louisiana, Fort Wainwright in Alaska, Kadena Air Force
Base in Okinawa and Fort Barrancas in Florida.
     A high priestess was just approved in Germany, and another
has applied on the Kosovo mission.

      "We are at the end of one age and the beginning of another,"
said [Wiccan High Priestess] Palmer at a Wednesday class.
"Our time has finally come."

      © Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

Both National Public Radio (NPR), All Things Considered, and
Chris Matthews Hardball, CNBC TV, will have segments on
Wicca and the Military tonight, Wednesday, June 9th, 1999.
     Representative Barr, as well as other principals, will be
interviewed.
     Please consult local radio and television listings for times and
stations.

     Thank you to Wren Walker and Druid Seabhac Fionn

Loch Sloy!
TuanToday
Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
*********************************
     Witches Voice
     From: Wren <Wren@...>

This is up on the Nest:http://www.witchvox.com/xwrensnest.html

Tonight on "Hardball":

The latest on the peace in Kosovo....

Witches in the armed forces?! And....

Dan Quayle talks about the "race to replace Bill Clinton"..

Tonight at 8pm and 11pm ET/ PT on "Hardball with Chris Matthews."

Tonight's Guests:
Dan Quayle
(R) Presidential Candidate

Wayne LaPierre
National Rifle Association

Hanna Rosin
Washington Post

Clarence Page
Chicago Tribune

Susan Molinari
(R) Fmr. New York Congresswoman

Rep. Ellen Tauscher
(D) California

Jay Jacobson
ACLU of Texas, Exec. Director

Rep. Bob Barr
(R) Georgia

Website:  <b><a HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/hb"> HARDBALL</a></b>

  <b><a HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/hb/ontonight.html"> Tonight's Guests
</a></b>

Hardball with Chris Matthews
c/o CNBC
2200 Fletcher Avenue
Fort Lee, NJ  07024

E-Mail us at Hardball@...

Walk in Light and Love,

Wren Walker
The Witches' Voice
http://www.witchvox.com
*****************************
National Public Radio's All Things Considered just ran a nice piece on
the
topic.  It was a well-balanced story, with an interview with the
Priestess
who runs the circle at Fort Hood, and also an interveiw with
Congressmand
Bob Barr.  They closed saying that Bob Barr is going to launch an
investigation.

If you are interested in hearing the story, later tonite try listening
to
the latest show on their web page: http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/

Circle Magazine, Circle Sanctuary, Mt. Horeb, Wisconsin,
USA., and the Atlanta Constitution, Atlanta, Georgia, USA.,
have articles about US Representative Bob Barr, GA-7,
meeting and answering questions from Pagans, who are residents
of his district, at a town meeting in Marietta, Georgia:
http://www.circlesanctuary.org/liberty/military/marietta.htm
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/newsatlanta/teepen/

     Excerpts are included.
     The entire articles should be read for accuracy and completeness.

     Thank you to John Machate; Coordinator,
<Coordinator@...>

NOTE: Pagans believe that there may be a similarity between
the growing attacks on minority religions, gender equality,
homosexuals, etc., by government officials, school officials, etc.,
and ultra Christian leaders.

     Additional Article:
     A Genuine Witch Hunt: US News
http://www.usnews.com:80/usnews/issue/990614/witches.htm

     Circle Sanctuary:
     PO Box 219,
     Mt. Horeb, WI 53572
     USA
     telephone: (608) 924-2216 * fax (608) 924-2216
     email: <circle@...>
http://www.circlesanctuary.org

     Lady Liberty League:
http://www.circlesanctuary.org/liberty/index.htm

     Military Pagan Network (MPN)
http://www.milpagan.org/

     US Military Chaplain's Excerpts on Wicca
     Selena Fox
http://www.circlesanctuary.org/liberty/military/philosophy.htm

Loch Sloy!
Tuan Today
Lowell McFarland <lowell@...>
*********************************
     Circle Magazine
     WICCANS TELL BARR:
     UPHOLD FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS FOR
WICCANS IN THE MILITARY!
     Article and Photos by Angie Buchanan of Circle Magazine
and The Lady Liberty League
     May 29, 1999

     Marietta, GA -

      The [town] meeting began with a [Christian] prayer by the fire
and brimstone Reverend Harold Murphree of Sharpsburg, Georgia,
who's oversized flyers declared "Pray for our country.
     Pray for freedom of speech!
     This is our Constitutional right!"
     Although Murphree would have been loathed to admit it, in this
instance, the Christians and the Pagans were on the same page.

     [Rep. Bob] Barr spent a minimal amount of time on his opening
statement at the podium and then called to the floor for questions.
     At the front line was Amber Maeve Szymanski, who amidst
jeers and hissing, proceeded to read a prepared statement of
information and query regarding Barr's stand on the military
which would be a breach of the First Amendment rights.
     Barr to his credit, requested of the hecklers that Szymanski
be permitted to finish.
     She ended with the proud revelation, "Mr. Barr, I am one of
your constituents, and I am a Wiccan Priestess."

     [Rep. Bob] Barr's discomfort was obvious however; he
defended his position with the argument that the military is unique
in that it does not fall under the  protection of the First Amendment.
     This was a news flash for all of us. I, for one, have a serious
problem accepting that the branch of the United States government
that was designed and implemented for the sole purpose of
protecting the Constitution and its Amendments cannot expect to
be protected by them.

     [Rep. Bob] Barr made a choice to answer a question from
the back of the room, and found himself confronted by Doug
Helvie, HM2, 20 year retiree of the United States Navy, and
founder of Eternal Harvest of Wicca.
     Helvie cruised down the center aisle ramrod straight, holding
a large shadow box in front of him - a shadow box, filled with
military medals, he had been awarded during his years of military
service.

      Approximately half of those who spoke, spoke on the First
Amendment issue.
     [Rep. Bob] Barr kept his responses deflective, vague, and
non-committal.
     He avoided eye contact with the Wiccans and other supporters
of the issue who spoke and were at his meeting.
     As the questions continued, the jeering and snickering of the rest
of the room became more and more subdued as it became apparent
that this was certainly not a contingent of pointy-hatted, wart-nosed,
  broomstick riders.
     These were real people, educated, articulate, upstanding citizens
of the United States, constituents of Bob Barr's, with a real United
States religious freedom concern and Barr was not prepared to deal
with that.

      . . . I  [Angie Buchanan] raised my hand from the press box
and received a nod of acknowledgment.

     My [Angie Buchanan] question was: "Congressman Barr, you
have expressed concern regarding religious practices which may
interfere with the functioning of the United States military.
     How much research into non-Christian religions do you intend
to conduct and who will decide which religions will continue to be
protected by the First Amendment?"

     [Rep. Bob] Barr's nonsensical response of: "Our leaders will
decide, and I hope they do so with common sense," only showed
that he knew he was in the deep end of the pool, with no life
preserver.

     Another querant from the back of the room quickly asked if Barr
knew any Wiccans or Pagans personally.
     [Rep. Bob] Barr ducked his head and gestured toward [Wiccan]
Amber Maeve Szymanski, stating, "I guess I do now!"

     [Rep. Bob] Barr's summation statement to the front quarter was
"I appreciate those in Witchcraft who are here but, I believe that a
nation that will not set certain standards, has no standards."

      After the meeting adjourned, I  [Angie Buchanan] had the
opportunity to approach Mr. Barr.

      I [Angie Buchanan] looked him in the eye and in a clear,
steady voice, said;
"Congressman Barr, to continue in this vein would be political
suicide for you.
     You simply must educate yourself prior to making statements
and casting judgment upon a subject [Wicca & Paganism] with
which you are so obviously misinformed.
     No one is asking you to convert or to change your personal
beliefs Sir, only to educate yourself fairly -- from the source, so
that you can make an informed decision."

     [Rep. Bob] Barr was able to look back at me then, and before
he drew his hand away, he stated, "Looks like I'm going to have to
try to do that.
     " Please do Mr. Barr, please do.

     Contents © 1998-99 by Circle Sanctuary.
     All rights reserved worldwide.
http://www.circlesanctuary.org/liberty/military/marietta.htm
********************************************
     The Atlanta Constitution
     Tom Teepen <teepencolumn@...>
     Tom Teepen is national correspondent for Cox Newspapers.

     What do you do if a political witch hunt flops? [President
Clinton Impeachment]
     If you're U.S. Rep. Bob Barr, you set off on a real witch hunt.

     Only to discover the witches can do a little hunting of their
own.

     [Rep. Bob] Barr, you likely recall, was demanding President
Clinton's impeachment long before Monica showed up to provide an
excuse, arguing that if Congress just looked long enough, it would
surely find some reason.
     Bitter that the Big Warlock got away, the congressman has had
to settle for harrying the lesser witches.

     About two dozen of them tracked the Georgia representative to a
hometown constituent meeting recently in Marietta to protest his
demand that the U.S. military stop sanctioning pagan religious
services on its bases.
     Barr was set off by a story in the Austin American-Statesman
about a spring rite performed by Wiccans -- or pagans, witches,
nature worshippers: you pick one -- at the Fort Hood Army base in
Texas.
     {Rep. Bob] Barr started firing off letters to the military
sputtering about the armed services' condoning godlessness and
indiscipline and letting standards go, more or less literally, to
hell.

     The military pagans' site [http://www.milpagan.org/]-- and, yes,
there really is one -- argues for paganism's legitimacy and its
rights under freedom of religion, all quite soberly.
     [Rep. Bob] Barr, on his site, lumps homosexuality, witchcraft
and ''other bizarre behavior'' together and wonders whether ''armored
divisions will be required to travel with sacrificial animals for
Satanic rites.''

     Actually, Wiccan practices have been recognized by the military
chaplain's handbook for years, and the faith has had tax-exempt
religious status in Barr's own state since 1981.

     Rites have been carried out at numerous military installations --
apparently without anyone, as Barr fretted in his constituent
session, dancing naked around trees or bonfires.

     It's fair to guess that at a meeting in which a preacher's
invocation for ''Brother Barr'' got a huge round of applause and [Rep.
Bob] Barr got a standing O [ovation] just for showing up, the witches
of the Magickal Cauldron -- not even Lady Galadriel, high priestess
and elder of the Grove of the Unicorn -- changed any minds, Barr's
least of all.
     But at least the congressmen heard them out and shushed the
audience's grumbles.
     Fair enough.

     Hope, though, that the good witches will keep trying.
     Who knows?
     One [Witch] might get close enough to Barr one day to kiss him
and turn him into a prince.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/newsatlanta/teepen/
     ©1999 Cox Interactive Media

I just read in the Boston Globe newspaper that the Navaho Nation is
trying to preserve the tradition of their medicine men, and thay have
allocated some part of their tribal money, much of it from the Federal
government, to try to find the medicine men who are still alive, and
assign apprentices to them.  The problem is the medicine men don't
always want to be found, and there aren't enough interested
apprentices to study for the 10 to 15 years it would take.

Apparently some large fraction of the knowledge and rituals are in
some danger of being lost because the experts die without teaching a
successor.  So says the article.

I was thinking how a lot of Anglo Pagans have "appropriated" Navaho
traditions.  I was wondering
1) whether some Pagans might have records the tribal government
does not know about but would want to know about (or Anthropology
professors, or for that matter)
2) whether Pagans might provide a source of non-Navaho apprentices
if the tribal government wants them and
3) whether the "danger of loss" is as great as they say, or more
a justification for spending the money.

BB

Mary-Anne
--------------------

Merry Meet everyone!

I hope everyone is involved in the Goddess 2000 Project, which now has
members worldwide!  If you need some inspiration a/or project ideas please
visit the
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/ScryeWulf/project.html">Magickal Crafts
Goddess Projects
</A> page.
There are also links to the Goddess 2000 Project there for those of you who
have not yet joined the milenium celebration!

Mitakuye Oyasin, RainEagle

***********  FORWARDED LETTER  *****************

From: wadl <wadl@...>

Blessings and Greetings,

First, permission is both granted and it is requested you forward this to
every Pagan Group, Coven, Grove,Circle, Newsletter you know.

Rep. Barr of Georgia has now drawn the Battle Lines. His "Holy Mission" is
to make Witchcraft and Paganism illegal in the Armed Forces. Once that is
in place he and the RRR have a legal precident to point at in everyday
life making the practice of Our Craft illegal.

It is time for Our Community to mobolize with a letter writing campaign to
each and every Senator, Represenative AND President Clinton, Vice
President Gore.

WADL has sent copies of lettters we have already sent to this list, use
those, if you wish as basis for your own, remember keep all letters
polite, respectful, SPELLCHECKED ( no pun intended) and to the point, the
necessary legal cases were cited in the letter to Barr and to the Armed
Forces subcommittee. Write to me at:
wadl@...   should you need copies of those letters.

email to The President and Vice President may be sent from:

http://www.whitehouse.gov

to Congress from:

http://congress.org/elecmail.html

this address allows you to find the Rep. And Senators from your state by
zip code and to send them email, or gives you and address for snail mail.
Please remember if you write someone outside your district or State, they
will not read your email so send those outside your home area snail mail.

May Our Lady And Our Lord Bless us in this venture.

Steve Foster
For the Officers and Board WADL
..............................................................


A GENUINE WITCH HUNT- By Joe Holley, US NEWS
(http://www.usnews.com:80/usnews/issue/990614/witches.htm)

Georgia congressman Bob Barr targets the Army's approval of pagan
religious groups

When fire-breathing Rep. Bob Barr called for President Clinton's
impeachment before anyone had even heard of Monica Lewinsky, critics
called it a witch hunt. But this time Barr's targets really are witches.

The Republican congressman from Georgia is incensed at the Pentagon for
allowing pagan rituals to be practiced on U.S. military bases. And he's
determined to put the kibosh on it.

In August 1997, Fort Hood near Austin, Texas, became the first military
outpost to sanction the practice of the Wicca religion. Since then, at
least five other installations have followed suit. Among them: Fort Polk,
La., Fort Wainwright, Ark., and Kedena Base in Okinawa.

Fort Hood's Wicca group­called Open Circle­is sponsored by the San
Antonio-based Sacred Well Congregation of Texas. Although the mention of
Wicca, the largest of the neopagan sects, conjures up images of black-clad
crones chanting magical incantations, members consider themselves
practitioners of a nature-based, positive religion that seeks to capture
the spirit of ancient beliefs. The Fort Hood witches­whose numbers range
from 40 to 200­conduct their monthly rituals at a Boy Scout camp on base.

For today's heterogeneous U.S. Army, the practice is basically business as
usual. "As far as we are concerned, they are a religious organization
providing for the spiritual needs of our soldiers," says Lt. Col. Benjamin
Santos, Fort Hood spokesman, explaining the Army's decision to sanction
the practice on bases.

A Defense Department official says that it would be unconstitutional for
the dod to "evaluate or judge the merits of specific faiths." The only
ground rules: that all religious services adhere to health and safety
standards and maintain "good order and discipline."

But Barr begs to differ. "This move sets a dangerous precedent that could
easily result in the practice of all sorts of bizarre practices being
supported by the military under the rubric of 'religion,'" he wrote in a
letter to military officials and congressional leaders last month. "What's
next? Will armored divisions be forced to travel with sacrificial animals
for satanic rituals? Will Rastafarians demand the inclusion of ritualistic
marijuana cigarettes in their rations?"

Now, says Barr, he "intends to pursue this issue legislatively."
He recently tried to amend a de- fense authorization bill to prohibit the
practice of Wicca or any other form of witchcraft at Defense Department
facilities. The measure was nixed on procedural grounds.

But Barr says he'll try again­and again. That's the sort of spell that
only a congressman can cast.

***********************************************

Got your first digest. I an an eclectic pagan, taking
what works from whatever religion it is in. I believe
in both Goddess and God.
I have a "Christain" neighbor who played music all
night last night in an effort to get rid of me. I
didn't hear a thing until I woke up at 4 am. I don't
have the heart to tell him that I have serious
problems with my hearing. Besides he might think of
something that would work.
I ignore all loud music, deciding that there are other
people that could complain, especially since when I'm
asleep I don't wake up to music.
I'll pretend nothing is wrong until someone else
murders him ;-)

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According to U.S. News & World Report magazine,
  June 14 issue page 27, Bob Barr Republican from
Georgia is trying to force the army to disallow
Wiccan ceremonies at armed services bases.  He
was turned down by armed forces, but now wants to
legislate against it.  It's time to stop politicians
like Barr from acting against our religion.
B.B.
GerryO

Dear Folks,

	 You know I've been working on a book proposal for some time now,
along with my other projects.  I had anticipated that once I finished
the proposal, I'd have a minimum of 3-6 months reprieve while it was
under consideration.  Well, one of the people I know at Llewellyn has
expressed interest in it.  That means I need, at bare minimum, to
finish the proposal and possibly the whole manuscript as promptly as
possible.  I also have a couple other important paying projects that
are going to eat up some serious time.  Therefore, don't be surprised
if you hear from me a lot less than usual over the next few months.
Witch me luck if you care to.

	 Bright Blessings,
	 Elizabeth Barrette

<<  I was wondering if anyone knows of any other mainstream rock
  bands (or any other mainstream bands, for that matter) that have introduced
  pagan themes into their music. >>

Oh goody....a great excuse to quit lurking. :)

Check out some Rush if you're interested in this sort of thing. Two obvious
examples are "Animate" from _Counterparts_ and "Totem" from _Test For Echo_.
Since the lyrics are so good I'll go ahead and include them:

Animate

Polarize me
Sensitize me
Criticize me
Civilize me

Compensate me
Animate me
Complicate me
Elevate me

Goddess in my garden
Sister in my soul
Angel in my armor
Actress in my role

Daughter of a demon-lover
Empress of the hidden face
Priestess of the pagan mother
Ancient queen of inner space

Spirit in my psyche
Double in my role
Alter in my image
Struggle for control

Mistress of the dark unconscious
Mermaid of the lunar sea
Daughter of the great enchantress
Sister to the boy inside of me

My counterpart--my foolish heart
A man must learn to rule his tender part
A warming trend--a gentle friend
A man must build a fortress to defend

A secret face--a touch of grace
A man must learn to give a little space
A peaceful state--a submissive trait
A man must learn to gently dominate
*********

Totem

I've got twelve disciples and a Buddha smile
The Garden of Allah--Viking Valhalla
A miracle once in a while

I've got a pantheon of animals in a pagan soul
Vishnu and Gaia--Aztec and Maya
Dance around my totem pole

I believe in what I see
I believe in what I hear
I believe that what I'm feeling
Changes how the world appears

Angels and demons dancing in my head
Lunatics and monsters underneath my bed
Media messiahs preying on my fears
Pop culture prophets playing in my ears

I've got celestial mechanics
to synchronize my stars
Seasonal migrations--daily variations
World of the unlikely and bizarre

I've got idols and icons, unspoken holy vows
Thoughts to keep well-hidden--
sacred and forbidden
Free to browse among the holy cows

That's why I believe...

Angels and demons inside of me
Saviors and Satans all around me

Sweet chariot, swing low, come for me...


Now go buy the CDs. :) :)

BB--

Nicole
A Pagan feminist sociologist Rush fan in Alabama

Greetings this question was posted to the University of Arkansas
Student Pagan Association listserv, but no one was able to give any information
on the matter. I was wondering if any of you knew anything about it?

	 Respectfully,
	 Michael Clanton
	 President, Student Pagan Association
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 22:26:11 -0500
From: Michael Carragher <mcarrag@...>
Reply-To: Student Pagan Association List <SPAG-L@...>
To: SPAG-L@...
Subject: Re: last meeting of semester

I wonder if anyone out there can help me with a FACTUAL matter.  I
understand that in South America at present there may be some evangelical
missionaries coercing Los Indios in the jungle to adopt Christianity.  Can
anyone help me with some names?

I really would appreciate as courteous a treatment of all concerned as
possible.  Abusiveness of anyone tends to make me uneasy.

Hope someone can help.


Michael Carragher.

[Uther here. I was not going to send out anything to the Pagan Forum
until next weekend so as to give you all an adequate chance to modify your
onelist account profile. However, since this pertains to that task, I'm passing
it along. (BTW, well said, Geroge.)]

Greetings all,  Just a suggestion to those of you who may be subscribed to
ONElist for the first time...make sure you visit the Member Center and put an
"X" in the box beside "Digest".  This will combine all of the posts from the
Pagan Forum to one eMail...if you do not do this, you will receive each post
as a separate eMail and this can really clog up yer mailbox  :-)
To choose "Digest" you need to go to
www.onelist.com
and enter your eMail address and your password (this was in the initial eMail
from Uther when your name was moved into ONElist).
In the Member Center you can enter a profile of yourself, change your eMail
address a/or password and also choose the "Digest" option (near the bottom of
the page).

B*B, George the <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Mcg23JGB/index.html">MusicWulf
</A>

Well! I certainly didn't expect it, but I've already moved everyone over
to the new subscription, even the three folks who joined the Digest just
this weekend.We lost a few subscribers in the move, but picked up a few
as well.

Since things went quicker than expected, I'm going to wait until next
weekend before I start sending the mail through. This should give you
all enough time to log on to the onelist.com website and make sure all
of your user settings are as you want them to be.

BB!
Uther Locksley aka Stacey Greenstein