knharper@... writes:
<< page border or ornament printed on each page of the book >>
Dan Waters' suggestion to look in the linotype specimen book is a good one --
many of the old specimen books have examples.

You might consider just a simple rule border, single or double hairline, or
rule with corner ornaments. The books of SF printer John Henry Nash
frequently had pages sub-divided and framed by rule.

Dover has several clip-art books that show borders. I'd also check out Bruce
Rogers' Paragraphs on Printing to consider the gorgeous delicate hanging
borders he did for The Pierrot of the Minute by Ernest Dowson. It's my
favorite such invention.

As Rogers did, you might consider subduing the border by using a muted second
color. A very soft color could tone down even a heavy frame to the right
proportions, to subdue the repeated weight of the frame, keeping it in the
background, while the text is present in black....
Tom

Gerald,

The old German inks are K+E - Kast & Ehinger of Stuttgat-Feuerbach

The black can says Prachtdruckschwarz 238




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--- In PPLetterpress@y..., Bryan Hutcheson <bryan@m...> wrote:
> Gerald,
>
> The old German inks are K+E - Kast & Ehinger of Stuttgat-Feuerbach
>
> The black can says Prachtdruckschwarz 238

Bryan

Ah, not familiar with Kast & Ehinger

Superior black printing ink?

But to reply to your question. I've found that stone lithographic
inks work well. I use Handschy and Charbonnell. Loads of pigment,
stiff, sticky, the usual. I bought the special Midway ink offered
from Mr Boxcar and will be trying that out on a forthcoming project.

All best

Gerald

Katie, take a look at what Theo Rehak has to offer on www.daleguild.com

Some nce stuff there.

All the best,

Graham Moss
Incline Press
11A Printer Street
Oldham OL1 1PN  England
(44) 0161 627 1966
http://www.inclinepress.com

The midway ink is exceptional, but it is not a stock item and made only in 25
pounds to order. It is very stiff and I add a drop or two of boiled linseed
oil for large coverage printing, straight for type.
Leonard Seastone

Well, now I'm really curious about why I'm getting such good results with
thinner, runnier offset inks than I am with the stiff letterpress inks.
Sounds like others are liking the stiffer inks better. Does it have to do
with my presses? Papers?

Another question: I have to replace my Microtek scanner. I don't want to buy
another of their products again (long story having to do with lousy
support). Am leaning toward HP 3570 cxi, as I have been impressed with HP's
support in the past, and this one has a transparency adaptor and 1200 dpi
optical resolution. Does anyone have experience with this or similar
scanners, or any other recommendations?

Thanks.


Katie Harper
Ars Brevis Press
Cincinnati, OH
513-233-9588
http://www.arsbrevispress.com





> From: LSeastone@...
> Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:35:50 EDT
> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re:  [PPLetterpress] Re: Favourite inks?
>
> The midway ink is exceptional, but it is not a stock item and made only in 25
> pounds to order. It is very stiff and I add a drop or two of boiled linseed
> oil for large coverage printing, straight for type.
> Leonard Seastone
>
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I have a Agfa Duoscan 1200 with transparency adapter and it has been trouble
free for 2 years. HP support is not that good either.
Bob Trogman
Palm Springs

On 9/11/02 6:35 AM, "LSeastone@..." <LSeastone@...> wrote:
> The midway ink is exceptional, but it is not a stock item and made only in 25
> pounds to order. It is very stiff and I add a drop or two of boiled linseed
> oil for large coverage printing, straight for type.

We stock 1 lbs cans of Book Black if you don't want to put in the 27 lbs
minimum order with Midway.

Harold

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Boxcar Press
Fine Printing and Binding ~ Digital Letterpress Supplies
640 Fellows Avenue ~ Syracuse, NY 13210
315-473-0930 ~ phone and fax
www.boxcarpress.com
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Thank-you Harold,

I have a small gang-up order that someone else is putting through right now.
But a large book of wood-engravings is depleting my supply very quickly so I
will gratefully  take you up on the offer.

Is the recipe no. B-17421? If so contact me off list as to payment.

Thanks again,
Leonard Seastone
The Tideline Press

From: Katie Harper
> I have to replace my Microtek scanner.

Agfa all the way.

hhp

Thanks to those who recommended Agfa. Unfortunately, Afga is no longer in
the consumer scanning biz. They only make drum/high end scanners now,
according to their web site.


Katie Harper
Ars Brevis Press
Cincinnati, OH
513-233-9588
http://www.arsbrevispress.com





> From: Hrant H Papazian <hrant@...>
> Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:31:53 -0700
> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Digest Number 266
>
> From: Katie Harper
>> I have to replace my Microtek scanner.
>
> Agfa all the way.
>
> hhp
>
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Dear friend,

Do you have a virus checker on your machine? If so, you should check it.
Someone to whom I have recently sent email has a virus (or worm, perhaps the
famous W.32.klez worm) that causes phony messages to be sent to random
individuals with the people on your mailing list as sender.

For more information about klez, see

http://216.68.4.191/nooz/klez.html


Katie Harper
Ars Brevis Press
Cincinnati, OH
513-233-9588
http://www.arsbrevispress.com

Katie

Did you send that???

CAREFUL!

DON'T GO TO THAT WEB SITE.

It looks suspicious!! No Address??

GO to www.symantec.com FIRST!!!

PF


At 8:48 AM -0400 2002-09-12, Katie Harper wrote:
>Dear friend,
>
>Do you have a virus checker on your machine? If so, you should check it.
>Someone to whom I have recently sent email has a virus (or worm, perhaps the
>famous W.32.klez worm) that causes phony messages to be sent to random
>individuals with the people on your mailing list as sender.
>
>For more information about klez, see
>
>http:// 216.68.4.191 /nooz/klez.html
>
>
>Katie Harper
>Ars Brevis Press
>Cincinnati, OH
>513-233-9588
>http://www.arsbrevispress.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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In remembrance of all victims of violence in the last 1000 years...

		 Be all you can be. Work for Peace.

Whatever happened to the War Against Injustice and Poverty!
		  End Terrorism? End Poverty!

Updated with more real virus research sites:

www.cert.org
The CERT Coordination Center (CERT/CC) is a center of Internet security
expertise, at the Software Engineering Institute, a federally funded research
and development center operated by Carnegie Mellon University. We study Internet
security...

Yes, I sent the message below, and yes, the web site is real. It contains
the actual numeric address for the Zoomtown site. And yes, there are plenty
of other sites that have information. The important thing is to check your
computer frequently. Another step is to stop using Microsoft email products,
as those seem to be the most frequently targetting by work and virus
designers.


Katie Harper
Ars Brevis Press
Cincinnati, OH
513-233-9588
http://www.arsbrevispress.com





> From: Katie Harper <knharper@...>
> Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:48:36 -0400
> To: Celene & Jerry <hawkins@...>, Brett Norris <brettn@...>,
> "Wood, McCrystle (WOODM)" <WOODM@...>, <PALKOVMA@...>,
> <PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [PPLetterpress] Infection??
>
> Dear friend,
>
> Do you have a virus checker on your machine? If so, you should check it.
> Someone to whom I have recently sent email has a virus (or worm, perhaps the
> famous W.32.klez worm) that causes phony messages to be sent to random
> individuals with the people on your mailing list as sender.
>
> For more information about klez, see
>
> http://216.68.4.191/nooz/klez.html
>
>
> Katie Harper
> Ars Brevis Press
> Cincinnati, OH
> 513-233-9588
> http://www.arsbrevispress.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Katie Harper's looking for a new scanner but:

>Unfortunately, Afga is no longer in the consumer scanning biz. They
>only make drum/high end scanners now, according to their web site.

In the August 2002 issue of PC Magazine (pages 126-136), highly
recommended are the HP ScanJet 5400c (2400 dpi, about $200) and the
Canon CanoScan N1240U (1200 dpi, about $150).

The HP ScanJet 7400c (about $500) is suggested in a sidebar. The
Epson Perfection 2450 Photo (about $400) has a built-in transparency
unit, a feature I think you had mentioned as desirable or essential.

Perhaps the entire review, with comparison charts and sidebars, is on
the PC Magazine website:

http://www.pcmag.com/

I bought a HP ScanJet 7400c a little more than a year ago and I
just love it for web-scans. But for going to print, I am sticking
with my Scitex (Now Creo) EverSmart Supreme; it does the best
colour I can produce on my Indigo presses, or going CTP on my
Printware-M or to film for conventional platemaking on my Agfa
Avantra 45.

I use it for everything from t-shirts (I send screen printing out,)
to large colour catalogs.

http://www.creo.com/products/scanning/color_scanners/eversmart/index.asp

MayKitten
--- Dan Franklin <dan@...> wrote:
> Katie Harper's looking for a new scanner but:
>
> >Unfortunately, Afga is no longer in the consumer scanning biz.
> They
> >only make drum/high end scanners now, according to their web
> site.
>
> In the August 2002 issue of PC Magazine (pages 126-136), highly
> recommended are the HP ScanJet 5400c (2400 dpi, about $200) and
> the
> Canon CanoScan N1240U (1200 dpi, about $150).
>
> The HP ScanJet 7400c (about $500) is suggested in a sidebar. The
> Epson Perfection 2450 Photo (about $400) has a built-in
> transparency
> unit, a feature I think you had mentioned as desirable or
> essential.
>
> Perhaps the entire review, with comparison charts and sidebars,
> is on
> the PC Magazine website:
>
> http://www.pcmag.com/
>


=====
Pagan, Pagan, what are you finding?
Yours is the road that winds lonely and far,
Strange are the shadows that round you come creeping,
Still through the clouds is the glint of a star!

From the book, Charge of the Goddess
BY: Doreen Valiente

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Because of client request, in addition to our .038"/.026" steel-
backed plates, we are now processing .060"/.048" steel-backs. Please
contact offlist for our rates and specs sheet (available in PDF or print).

We also continue to offer the plastic-backed .079"/.068" for sculptural
artists (no, not letterpress "impressors"; clay, wax, cement, cookie
designers!!!).

Gerald Lange
The Bieler Press
4216-1/4 Glencoe Avenue
Marina del Rey, CA 90292
Bieler@...

Scanners fall in three main categories 1. Desktop scanners for the recipe
collector 2. Desktop Scanner for the Professional, 3. Drum Scanners for the
high-end color and detail critical work.

Of the three types there are quality scanners for each level of work.

Agfa, Microtek, and HP provide good quality scanners for the amateur and
professional alike

In choosing a scanner there are a few things to keep in mind. But primarily
of interest will be what your final use of a scan is going to be. Will it be
for web? Will it be for color laser out put? will it be for scanning line
art? will you be outputting to polymer? Will you be printing 4-color offset?
If you are primarily planning on printing for letterpress, one of the
midrange scanners provided by the above companies should be more than
adequate.

Some even come with the ability to scan slides or chromes. My rule for
scanning any type of transparency is it should always be scanned from a
high- end drum scanner if you are going for any serious kind of enlargement
or color-specific quality. Abd if at all possible oil mounting is the method
of choice. Scanning chromes or slides on a flatbed should only be done FPO.
I am sure there are some who would argue with this...  With about 9 years
pre-press and scanning/color-correction/retouching experience I have always
followed this rule...never use a flatbed for final scanning of any
transparency. Period!

With that in mind...I have a $300 Microtek sitting here next to me. With the
correct amount of time and preparation I am able to pull of some very good
quality scans from reflective artwork. The scans are as good as the $900
Microtek and the $1400 Agfa.

If you know Photoshop as a production tool (Curves, Gamma, under coating,
highlight, mid and shadow input settings and of course sharpening) you
should be able to get really good scans off of any good desktop scanner.
Never go for any of the scanners in the FREE to 199 price range unless you
really know Photoshop as a production tool, and have the ability to fix
garbage once it¹s digital.


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I am putting together the manuscript for a new monograph that I will
be releasing next spring. This will be produced in the same format as
the second edition of _Printing digital type on the hand-operated
flatbed cylinder press_.

The text consists of several deliberations:

the application of letterpress compositional strategies in the
digital environment (this springs from an examination of the
composition of typographers such as Saul Marks),

designing for the requirements and restrictions of letterpress
technology and operations,

configuring and optimizing digital type for letterpress printing with
photopolymer plates.

A number of comparative visual examples accompany the text. Some of
this material has appeared in various articles but is here gathered
together for the first time.

For lack of imagination, the working title is _Beyond the Composing
Stick_!?! If you would like to be put on the mailing list for receipt
of the prospectus for the monograph (at a pre-publication price)
please forward your address to me OFF-LIST. The prospectus will go
out toward the beginning of next year.


Gerald Lange
The Bieler Press
Bieler Press Monographs
4216-1/4 Glencoe Avenue
Marina del Rey, CA 90292
Bieler@...

Le 12.8.2002 19:15, « Gerald Lange » <bieler@...> a écrit :

> Mike
>
> When you generate the PDF you would need to create a custom PDF style rather
> than selecting the "printer style." And choose "document page setup" "instead
> of "same as current printer." Though as I recall you can set up a special
> Acrobat printer style for such purposes. Been a while since I've had to do
> this.
>
> I normally do not send PDFs to the service bureau. I'd be interested in
> hearing of the successes/failures that others have encountered in this regard.
>
> At the Adobe site there are some documents that describe setting up high
> resolution PDFs (for professional applications or something), though you do
> have to poke around a bit.
>
> Gerald
>
>
>
> Here an information about 30¹000 Photoshop limitation
>
>
> What Happened to Icefields Software?
>
>
> Many have written about the disappearance of Isis Corporation and their
> wonderful Icefields stochastic screening software. One of Icefields¹
> advantages was it¹s ability to bypass Photoshop¹s 30,000 pixel limit (in
> either width or height) that can become an issue when converting grayscale
> images to bitmaps at 1,200 or more pixels/inch. Isis hopes to rise like the
> Phoenix in the future so they don¹t want older versions of their software
> distributed for free.
>
> In the mean time, you might investigate Rastus Software as a stochastic
> screening alternative:
http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/misc_pages/digital_neg_faq.htm#GeneralNeg
Questions

Andreas Schweizer
8, rue de la Puiserande
1205 Genève- Switzerland
T: + 41 22 320 56 28
F: + 41 22 320 56 28
P: + 41 79 304 14 64
URL: http://www.letterpress.ch
Work mail: andreas.schweizer@...
Private mail: andreasschweizer@...




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> >
> > What Happened to Icefields Software?
> >
> >
> > Many have written about the disappearance of Isis Corporation and their
> > wonderful Icefields stochastic screening software. One of Icefields1
> > advantages was it1s ability to bypass Photoshop1s 30,000 pixel limit (in
> > either width or height) that can become an issue when converting grayscale
> > images to bitmaps at 1,200 or more pixels/inch. Isis hopes to rise like the
> > Phoenix in the future so they don1t want older versions of their software
> > distributed for free.
> >
> > In the mean time, you might investigate Rastus Software as a stochastic
> > screening alternative:
> http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/misc_pages/digital_neg_faq.htm#GeneralNeg
> Questions
>
> Andreas Schweizer

Andreas

Thanks for this. Someone had mentioned Icefields early on and I used
it for a just a short while but then I had a horrible system crash
and it did not survive. Even when reinstalled. Just sort of sits
there upon opening. Some remnant bugger in the the system file gone
bad, won't copy over, and I just have't been able to identify it.
Have the same problem with Ofoto scanning software. That was great
stuff, and I dearly miss it. Another company long gone.

I'll check out the Rastus.

All best

Gerald

I downloaded the Rastus Demo yesterday and gave it a quick try.

It's easy to use, but my cursory tests yielded an odd moire-like
pattern in the dots, a subtle but noticeable succession of
checker-like dark and light areas throughout the image, most evident
at high resolutions or when viewed from a distance. I'd be curious to
know if anyone else has tried this, and what their experience has
been.

As an alternative, does anyone have a favorite "mezzotint" plug-in
for Photoshop?

Dan Waters
Indian Hill Press

>  > >
>  > > What Happened to Icefields Software?
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Many have written about the disappearance of Isis Corporation and their
>  > > wonderful Icefields stochastic screening software. One of Icefields1
>  > > advantages was it1s ability to bypass Photoshop1s 30,000 pixel limit (in
>  > > either width or height) that can become an issue when
>converting grayscale
>  > > images to bitmaps at 1,200 or more pixels/inch. Isis hopes to
>rise like the
>  > > Phoenix in the future so they don1t want older versions of their software
>  > > distributed for free.
>  > >
>  > > In the mean time, you might investigate Rastus Software as a stochastic
>  > > screening alternative:
>  >
>http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/misc_pages/digital_neg_faq.htm#Gene
>ralNeg
>  > Questions
>  >
>  > Andreas Schweizer
>
>Andreas
>
>Thanks for this. Someone had mentioned Icefields early on and I used
>it for a just a short while but then I had a horrible system crash
>and it did not survive. Even when reinstalled. Just sort of sits
>there upon opening. Some remnant bugger in the the system file gone
>bad, won't copy over, and I just have't been able to identify it.
>Have the same problem with Ofoto scanning software. That was great
>stuff, and I dearly miss it. Another company long gone.
>
>I'll check out the Rastus.
>
>All best
>
>Gerald
>
>
>
>
>
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You can see photos of a specimen of a new version of Sabon being printed
from photopolymer plates at this site:
      http://www.porcheztypo.com/atypi/cpbook.html
The type design work has been done by Jean-François Porchez, a well known
French designer, for Linotype. (The site's text is also in French). This new
version was announced at the ATypI typography conference just concluded in
Rome.
Brian Allen
Mountain View, California

I'm printing a plate using only clear overprint varnish on a dark, brick red
cover stock, and am finding that the usual deep impression that the clients
so love is causing the varnish to apparently bleed through to the back of
the paper. This is on my C&P Craftsman, by the way I have not had this
happen before with varnish, but have not used this paper before, either.  I
tried letting the paper dry, and this seems to help, but the ghost never
quite goes away.

Has anyone ever had this happen and do you know if it can be remedied?


Katie Harper
Ars Brevis Press
Cincinnati, OH
513-233-9588
http://www.arsbrevispress.com

HI Katie,
You don't say what kind of paper it is, so it's hard to evaluate what's
happening. Seems to me it would have to be a very porous paper for the
varnish to go through the sheet. (Or way too much pressure and maybe too much
varnish). Are you sure you are not just getting an off-print from the sheet
below it in the pile?

Only other solution that comes to mind would be to use less varnish. Probably
less would be just about as effective for coating the image area since you
are not trying to cover the paper color like ink, only putting a sheen on it.

Tom Parson
Now It's Up To You Publications
157 S. Logan, Denver CO 80209
(303) 777-8951
http://members.aol.com/typetom

Well, I have discovered that it was not the varnish after all, but rather it
was coming from the tympan paper, which is rather old, I suspect (it came
with my equipment so is of unknown age and quality). I was able to fix the
problem by  a draw sheet from under the tympan and putting it on top to
absorb any leaking oil. I would have to change that after about 40
impressions or so, however. I have not had this particular problem before,
but it doesn't surprise me. If the tympan paper is old, perhaps the oil or
wax in it starts to leech out or something. I should probably use mylar or
acetate, but this is so much more economical...


Katie Harper
Ars Brevis Press
Cincinnati, OH
513-233-9588
http://www.arsbrevispress.com





> From: typetom@...
> Reply-To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:34:54 EDT
> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PPLetterpress] Varnish problem
>
> HI Katie,
> You don't say what kind of paper it is, so it's hard to evaluate what's
> happening. Seems to me it would have to be a very porous paper for the
> varnish to go through the sheet. (Or way too much pressure and maybe too much
> varnish). Are you sure you are not just getting an off-print from the sheet
> below it in the pile?
>
> Only other solution that comes to mind would be to use less varnish. Probably
> less would be just about as effective for coating the image area since you
> are not trying to cover the paper color like ink, only putting a sheen on it.
>
> Tom Parson
> Now It's Up To You Publications
> 157 S. Logan, Denver CO 80209
> (303) 777-8951
> http://members.aol.com/typetom
>
>
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Dear all
It seems to be the time of year for updating websites - do have a look at
ours www.oldstilepress.com where we have listed new titles and works in
progress which are very nearly ready - in fact one of them should be in
time for Oak Knoll but then does one ever dare say such a thing . . .
Hope to see some of you in New Castle - but communicating like this does
bring us all closer - in spite of the distances whether over land or the
Atlantic.
Best wishes
Frances McDowall

The Old Stile Press
Catchmays Court
Llandogo, Monmouth NP25 4TN  UK
phone & fax 01291 689226
oldstile@...
www.oldstilepress.com

FYI:

A LA printmaker has her entire print studio for sale. This includes a
25.5 x 47 Takach combo litho/etching press, stones, rollers, inks,
etc.

Contact Amy Goodman at 310-360-1686 if interested.

Gerald

Looking for an Apple Chinese Language Kit CD-ROM (discontinued
version 2.0). Please oontact offlist.

Gerald