For those of you interested, and don't already know the cause:

The LETPRESS list was locked down late Thursday due to excessive message
traffic.  A lively discussion on copyright law pushed the list over the 125 per
day message limit, and it went into some sort of a lock down.  From what I have
been able to determine, someone at the University of New Brunswick (host site
for LETPRESS) needs to release the list so it start functioning again.  All
messages that have been sent and not distributed should be sent out at that
time.

I have sent two email messages to Terry Oakes, who is the "list owner", but have
not received a response as of yet.  (Terry can be a little hard to get ahold of
at times.)  I also just left an email message with the IT department at UNB, so
hopefully someone there will be able to reset things and get the list restarted
(hopefully before Monday...)

- Lance Williams
Williams Stationery Co.
Camden, New York
APA #785

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Just saw a posting for a floor model C&P on DC's Craigslist. Do a search if you
are in the area. Good luck!

Jody

Jody et al

I hate to have to tirelessly remind folks here, please DO NOT post
referrals to letterpress equipment for sale that is NOT YOUR OWN.

sfletterpress will be happy to accomodate your postings, we will not.

You will be put on moderated status for violation of this one tiny
little request.

Why? I get complaints from sellers, who refer the complaints to Yahoo
(and they don't like this).

I don't have enough time in the day to deal with this crap. Thank you.

Please see our onsite File on Group Site Netiquette.

Gerald
PPL

apostrophiliac wrote:
> Just saw a posting for a floor model C&P on DC's Craigslist. Do a search if
you are in the area. Good luck!
>
> Jody
>
>
>

I stand corrected. Hadn't noted that. Got excited. Thanks for the reminder. Mea
crappa.

J

--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Gerald Lange <Bieler@...> wrote:
>
> Jody et al
>
> I hate to have to tirelessly remind folks here, please DO NOT post
> referrals to letterpress equipment for sale that is NOT YOUR OWN.
>
> sfletterpress will be happy to accomodate your postings, we will not.
>
> You will be put on moderated status for violation of this one tiny
> little request.
>
> Why? I get complaints from sellers, who refer the complaints to Yahoo
> (and they don't like this).
>
> I don't have enough time in the day to deal with this crap. Thank you.
>
> Please see our onsite File on Group Site Netiquette.
>
> Gerald
> PPL
>
> apostrophiliac wrote:
> > Just saw a posting for a floor model C&P on DC's Craigslist. Do a search if
you are in the area. Good luck!
> >
> > Jody
> >
> >
> >
>

Lance

Yeah, Letpress imploded last night. Phenomenal. Quite the amazing co-intwined
discussions. Reaching the absolute heights of stupidity, very engaging. I
entered the fray late, sorry to hear later responses will be sent out :—)

Gerald

--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Williams" <lwwill7999@...> wrote:
>
> For those of you interested, and don't already know the cause:
>
> The LETPRESS list was locked down late Thursday due to excessive message
traffic.  A lively discussion on copyright law pushed the list over the 125 per
day message limit, and it went into some sort of a lock down.  From what I have
been able to determine, someone at the University of New Brunswick (host site
for LETPRESS) needs to release the list so it start functioning again.  All
messages that have been sent and not distributed should be sent out at that
time.
>
> I have sent two email messages to Terry Oakes, who is the "list owner", but
have not received a response as of yet.  (Terry can be a little hard to get
ahold of at times.)  I also just left an email message with the IT department at
UNB, so hopefully someone there will be able to reset things and get the list
restarted (hopefully before Monday...)
>
> - Lance Williams
> Williams Stationery Co.
> Camden, New York
> APA #785
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Amazing.

I wondered why all of a sudden everyone dropped the copyright thing;
it didn't seem like the character of the list to just let it go.  Ha!

rich

On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:08 AM, bielerpr wrote:

> Lance
>
> Yeah, Letpress imploded last night. Phenomenal. Quite the amazing co-
> intwined discussions. Reaching the absolute heights of stupidity,
> very engaging. I entered the fray late, sorry to hear later
> responses will be sent out :—)
>
> Gerald
>
> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Williams"
> <lwwill7999@...> wrote:
> >
> > For those of you interested, and don't already know the cause:
> >
> > The LETPRESS list was locked down late Thursday due to excessive
> message traffic. A lively discussion on copyright law pushed the
> list over the 125 per day message limit, and it went into some sort
> of a lock down. From what I have been able to determine, someone at
> the University of New Brunswick (host site for LETPRESS) needs to
> release the list so it start functioning again. All messages that
> have been sent and not distributed should be sent out at that time.
> >
> > I have sent two email messages to Terry Oakes, who is the "list
> owner", but have not received a response as of yet. (Terry can be a
> little hard to get ahold of at times.) I also just left an email
> message with the IT department at UNB, so hopefully someone there
> will be able to reset things and get the list restarted (hopefully
> before Monday...)
> >
> > - Lance Williams
> > Williams Stationery Co.
> > Camden, New York
> > APA #785
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

rich hagopian
www.onemangerpress.com
onemangerpress@...





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wish I was still on that list, I'd love to read through that for either
informational or entertainment. Maybe I should sign up again!


> Lance
>
> Yeah, Letpress imploded last night. Phenomenal. Quite the amazing
> co-intwined discussions. Reaching the absolute heights of stupidity,
> very engaging. I entered the fray late, sorry to hear later responses
> will be sent out :—)
>
> Gerald
>
> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:PPLetterpress%40yahoogroups.com>, "Lance Williams"
> <lwwill7999@...> wrote:
> >
> > For those of you interested, and don't already know the cause:
> >
> > The LETPRESS list was locked down late Thursday due to excessive
> message traffic. A lively discussion on copyright law pushed the list
> over the 125 per day message limit, and it went into some sort of a
> lock down. From what I have been able to determine, someone at the
> University of New Brunswick (host site for LETPRESS) needs to release
> the list so it start functioning again. All messages that have been
> sent and not distributed should be sent out at that time.
> >
> > I have sent two email messages to Terry Oakes, who is the "list
> owner", but have not received a response as of yet. (Terry can be a
> little hard to get ahold of at times.) I also just left an email
> message with the IT department at UNB, so hopefully someone there will
> be able to reset things and get the list restarted (hopefully before
> Monday...)
> >
> > - Lance Williams
> > Williams Stationery Co.
> > Camden, New York
> > APA #785
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>

Gerald, et al,

Took whole day to realise most netters want me to ask first before sharing with
non-netters. I have been asking permission but need to do it consistantly. I
learnt a lot lasterday.

I don't have a GED yet, but am learning much more about this. Since material is
posted to the whole group like one would speak to a group in an auditorium, then
I think it prudent, wise to ask permission thusly to the whole group to share
with non-netters. After all, I might rise from my seat and ask the speaker if I
may quote all the person said for the local weekly.

And besides, it shows the whole group, on the net or in the auditorium, that I
am asking for permission, and it may encourage others to grant permission.

Mike

The Printer





To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
From: Bieler@...
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:08:17 +0000
Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Cross Posted: LETPRESS Outage......





Lance

Yeah, Letpress imploded last night. Phenomenal. Quite the amazing co-intwined
discussions. Reaching the absolute heights of stupidity, very engaging. I
entered the fray late, sorry to hear later responses will be sent out :—)

Gerald

--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Williams" <lwwill7999@...> wrote:
>
> For those of you interested, and don't already know the cause:
>
> The LETPRESS list was locked down late Thursday due to excessive message
traffic. A lively discussion on copyright law pushed the list over the 125 per
day message limit, and it went into some sort of a lock down. From what I have
been able to determine, someone at the University of New Brunswick (host site
for LETPRESS) needs to release the list so it start functioning again. All
messages that have been sent and not distributed should be sent out at that
time.
>
> I have sent two email messages to Terry Oakes, who is the "list owner", but
have not received a response as of yet. (Terry can be a little hard to get ahold
of at times.) I also just left an email message with the IT department at UNB,
so hopefully someone there will be able to reset things and get the list
restarted (hopefully before Monday...)
>
> - Lance Williams
> Williams Stationery Co.
> Camden, New York
> APA #785
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>









_________________________________________________________________
New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:\
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Michael

I'm glad to hear from you and your considerations. Been a bit of water over the
bridge between us regarding this but, seriously, there is no such thing as a
non-netter anymore. Your publication does not exist because some folks are not
able to access the internet, it exists because of what it is. I don't care that
you reprint stuff that you probably shouldn't, that's just you; and it sort of
is what makes The Printer unique and endearing in the end. Do your thing.

Gerald

--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Michael Phillips <theprinter4918@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Gerald, et al,
>
> Took whole day to realise most netters want me to ask first before sharing
with non-netters. I have been asking permission but need to do it consistantly.
I learnt a lot lasterday.
>
> I don't have a GED yet, but am learning much more about this. Since material
is posted to the whole group like one would speak to a group in an auditorium,
then I think it prudent, wise to ask permission thusly to the whole group to
share with non-netters. After all, I might rise from my seat and ask the speaker
if I may quote all the person said for the local weekly.
>
> And besides, it shows the whole group, on the net or in the auditorium, that I
am asking for permission, and it may encourage others to grant permission.
>
> Mike
>
> The Printer
>
>
>
>
>
> To: PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com
> From: Bieler@...
> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:08:17 +0000
> Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Cross Posted: LETPRESS Outage......
>
>
>
>
>
> Lance
>
> Yeah, Letpress imploded last night. Phenomenal. Quite the amazing co-intwined
discussions. Reaching the absolute heights of stupidity, very engaging. I
entered the fray late, sorry to hear later responses will be sent out :—)
>
> Gerald
>
> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Williams" <lwwill7999@> wrote:
> >
> > For those of you interested, and don't already know the cause:
> >
> > The LETPRESS list was locked down late Thursday due to excessive message
traffic. A lively discussion on copyright law pushed the list over the 125 per
day message limit, and it went into some sort of a lock down. From what I have
been able to determine, someone at the University of New Brunswick (host site
for LETPRESS) needs to release the list so it start functioning again. All
messages that have been sent and not distributed should be sent out at that
time.
> >
> > I have sent two email messages to Terry Oakes, who is the "list owner", but
have not received a response as of yet. (Terry can be a little hard to get ahold
of at times.) I also just left an email message with the IT department at UNB,
so hopefully someone there will be able to reset things and get the list
restarted (hopefully before Monday...)
> >
> > - Lance Williams
> > Williams Stationery Co.
> > Camden, New York
> > APA #785
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:\
WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Message from the boss moderator

"No more Letpress messages on PPL! They're chomping at the bit to "communicate"
- let them wait until Letpress comes back up."

I get it. Hopefully all you folks do as well.

Thank you for your consideration in this regard.

Gerald
PPL

It was not useful information Bob, but certainly entertaining!


Graham Moss

Incline Press
36 Bow Street
Oldham OL1 1SJ  England

http://www.inclinepress.com




On 31/10/09 04:26, "Bob Hopfner" <rhopfner@...> wrote:

> Wish I was still on that list, I'd love to read through that for either
> informational or entertainment. Maybe I should sign up again!

HAH!  thank you overload.... not only of the brain.
   i was ready to shout "BOYS GO TO YOUR ROOMS",
As my delete button was working WAY overtime....and then POOF!
Well thanks Lance, it was serendipitous.

victoria



On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:11 AM, Rich Hagopian wrote:

> Amazing.
>
> I wondered why all of a sudden everyone dropped the copyright thing;
> it didn't seem like the character of the list to just let it go.  Ha!
>
> rich
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:08 AM, bielerpr wrote:
>
>> Lance
>>
>> Yeah, Letpress imploded last night. Phenomenal. Quite the amazing co-
>> intwined discussions. Reaching the absolute heights of stupidity,
>> very engaging. I entered the fray late, sorry to hear later
>> responses will be sent out :˜)
>>
>> Gerald
>>
>> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Williams"
>> <lwwill7999@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> For those of you interested, and don't already know the cause:
>>>
>>> The LETPRESS list was locked down late Thursday due to excessive
>> message traffic. A lively discussion on copyright law pushed the
>> list over the 125 per day message limit, and it went into some sort
>> of a lock down. From what I have been able to determine, someone at
>> the University of New Brunswick (host site for LETPRESS) needs to
>> release the list so it start functioning again. All messages that
>> have been sent and not distributed should be sent out at that time.
>>>
>>> I have sent two email messages to Terry Oakes, who is the "list
>> owner", but have not received a response as of yet. (Terry can be a
>> little hard to get ahold of at times.) I also just left an email
>> message with the IT department at UNB, so hopefully someone there
>> will be able to reset things and get the list restarted (hopefully
>> before Monday...)
>>>
>>> - Lance Williams
>>> Williams Stationery Co.
>>> Camden, New York
>>> APA #785
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>
>>
>
> rich hagopian
> www.onemangerpress.com
> onemangerpress@...
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

------ Forwarded Message
From: Mark <hmdelman@...>
Reply-To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:32 -0000
To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [sfletterpress] ? Computer to Plate

Hi Folks:

Last year at Maker Faire, I spoke with someone demonstrating letterpress
printing and he mentioned that there are services available that will cut a
letterpress plate from a computer file.  I'd like to learn more about that.
Does anyone have information about the process, cost and suppliers of that
service?  Would this service be available for smaller presses such as the
C&P Pilot?

Thanks in advance.

-Mark


------ End of Forwarded Message

Yeah,

	 I did my best to stay out of the discussions, but couldn't resist a couple
comments later in the evening just before the lock down....  Hopefully
someone at UNB will get things fixed ASAP.  Here is the latest message I
got back from the ListServ when trying to post a message:

"The distribution of your message dated Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:00:35 -0400 with
subject "Daily Message Limit Hit for LETPRESS (125 messages/day)" has been
postponed because the LETPRESS list is held. No action is required from you.
Your message will be reprocessed automatically once the list owner releases
the list."

The archives are still up and running, so anyone who wants to see what all
the hub-bub was about that closed down the LETPRESS list, check out the
archives at: https://listserv.unb.ca/archives/letpress.html (You do need to
register for the list and log in to view, however).

- Lance Williams
Williams Stationery Co.
Camden, New York
APA #785


> [Original Message]
> From: bielerpr <Bieler@...>
> To: <PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 10/31/2009 12:09:02 AM
> Subject: [PPLetterpress] Re: Cross Posted:  LETPRESS Outage......
>
> Lance
>
> Yeah, Letpress imploded last night. Phenomenal. Quite the amazing
co-intwined discussions. Reaching the absolute heights of stupidity, very
engaging. I entered the fray late, sorry to hear later responses will be
sent out :—)
>
> Gerald
>
> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Lance Williams" <lwwill7999@...>
wrote:
> >
> > For those of you interested, and don't already know the cause:
> >
> > The LETPRESS list was locked down late Thursday due to excessive
message traffic.  A lively discussion on copyright law pushed the list over
the 125 per day message limit, and it went into some sort of a lock down.
From what I have been able to determine, someone at the University of New
Brunswick (host site for LETPRESS) needs to release the list so it start
functioning again.  All messages that have been sent and not distributed
should be sent out at that time.
> >
> > I have sent two email messages to Terry Oakes, who is the "list owner",
but have not received a response as of yet.  (Terry can be a little hard to
get ahold of at times.)  I also just left an email message with the IT
department at UNB, so hopefully someone there will be able to reset things
and get the list restarted (hopefully before Monday...)
> >
> > - Lance Williams
> > Williams Stationery Co.
> > Camden, New York
> > APA #785
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Hi Graham

Not sure how we can address this here, but I did check out the thread on
sfletterpress. Seems covered.

Not sure if Mark is referring to photopolymer plate processors or
photomechanical engravers but we have most of the known letterpress related
suppliers of both listed in the Links section here. And would welcome more if
anyone was so inclined.

Gerald
PPL



--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Graham and Kathy <kwhalen.incline@...>
wrote:

>
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Mark <hmdelman@...>
> Reply-To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:32 -0000
> To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [sfletterpress] ? Computer to Plate
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> Last year at Maker Faire, I spoke with someone demonstrating letterpress
> printing and he mentioned that there are services available that will cut a
> letterpress plate from a computer file.  I'd like to learn more about that.
> Does anyone have information about the process, cost and suppliers of that
> service?  Would this service be available for smaller presses such as the
> C&P Pilot?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -Mark

> Thanks Gerald;
>
> Seemed to me that there was a better level of expertise here than anywhere
> else, but so long as the query has been addressed, all is well.
>
> Graham
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Graham
>
> Not sure how we can address this here, but I did check out the thread on
> sfletterpress. Seems covered.
>
> Not sure if Mark is referring to photopolymer plate processors or
> photomechanical engravers but we have most of the known letterpress related
> suppliers of both listed in the Links section here. And would welcome more if
> anyone was so inclined.
>
> Gerald
> PPL
>
> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Graham and Kathy <kwhalen.incline@...>
> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > ------ Forwarded Message
>> > From: Mark <hmdelman@...>
>> > Reply-To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:32 -0000
>> > To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: [sfletterpress] ? Computer to Plate
>> >
>> > Hi Folks:
>> >
>> > Last year at Maker Faire, I spoke with someone demonstrating letterpress
>> > printing and he mentioned that there are services available that will cut a
>> > letterpress plate from a computer file. I'd like to learn more about that.
>> > Does anyone have information about the process, cost and suppliers of that
>> > service? Would this service be available for smaller presses such as the
>> > C&P Pilot?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > -Mark
>
>
>
> _





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dupont Cyrelfast CTP.
There are others but.........
I do not know if they work on photopolymer for letter presses.  I think they are
made for offset and flexo plates.  But, isn't a flexo plate the same as a
letterpress plate (Toyobo Printtight)?  Now that I think about it......isn't an
offset plate the same as Toyobo KM152 plate, metal backed?

Please let me know as I would like to look into one as well.

Steve






--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Incline Press <books.inclinepress@...>
wrote:
>
> > Thanks Gerald;
> >
> > Seemed to me that there was a better level of expertise here than anywhere
> > else, but so long as the query has been addressed, all is well.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Graham
> >
> > Not sure how we can address this here, but I did check out the thread on
> > sfletterpress. Seems covered.
> >
> > Not sure if Mark is referring to photopolymer plate processors or
> > photomechanical engravers but we have most of the known letterpress related
> > suppliers of both listed in the Links section here. And would welcome more
if
> > anyone was so inclined.
> >
> > Gerald
> > PPL
> >
> > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Graham and Kathy <kwhalen.incline@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > ------ Forwarded Message
> >> > From: Mark <hmdelman@>
> >> > Reply-To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:32 -0000
> >> > To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Subject: [sfletterpress] ? Computer to Plate
> >> >
> >> > Hi Folks:
> >> >
> >> > Last year at Maker Faire, I spoke with someone demonstrating letterpress
> >> > printing and he mentioned that there are services available that will cut
a
> >> > letterpress plate from a computer file. I'd like to learn more about
that.
> >> > Does anyone have information about the process, cost and suppliers of
that
> >> > service? Would this service be available for smaller presses such as the
> >> > C&P Pilot?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks in advance.
> >> >
> >> > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > _
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Steve

I don't know of any CTP yet configured for letterpress specifications.

No, letterpress specs are a very small latitude in the range of photopolymer
plate possibilities. Not the same as flexography.

An offset plate the same as a Toyobo KM152 steel-backed photopolymer plate?
Maybe, by a long stretch of the imagination.

Still, a plate is a plate, by definition, is it not? We live in a time where
everything is relatively the same and thus the same.

So, why are there so many problems?

Gerald
http://BielerPress.blogspot.com


--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur" <steinsteve@...> wrote:
>
> Dupont Cyrelfast CTP.
> There are others but.........
> I do not know if they work on photopolymer for letter presses.  I think they
are made for offset and flexo plates.  But, isn't a flexo plate the same as a
letterpress plate (Toyobo Printtight)?  Now that I think about it......isn't an
offset plate the same as Toyobo KM152 plate, metal backed?
>
> Please let me know as I would like to look into one as well.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Incline Press <books.inclinepress@>
wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Gerald;
> > >
> > > Seemed to me that there was a better level of expertise here than anywhere
> > > else, but so long as the query has been addressed, all is well.
> > >
> > > Graham
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Graham
> > >
> > > Not sure how we can address this here, but I did check out the thread on
> > > sfletterpress. Seems covered.
> > >
> > > Not sure if Mark is referring to photopolymer plate processors or
> > > photomechanical engravers but we have most of the known letterpress
related
> > > suppliers of both listed in the Links section here. And would welcome more
if
> > > anyone was so inclined.
> > >
> > > Gerald
> > > PPL
> > >
> > > --- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Graham and Kathy <kwhalen.incline@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > ------ Forwarded Message
> > >> > From: Mark <hmdelman@>
> > >> > Reply-To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> > Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:04:32 -0000
> > >> > To: <sfletterpress@yahoogroups.com>
> > >> > Subject: [sfletterpress] ? Computer to Plate
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi Folks:
> > >> >
> > >> > Last year at Maker Faire, I spoke with someone demonstrating
letterpress
> > >> > printing and he mentioned that there are services available that will
cut a
> > >> > letterpress plate from a computer file. I'd like to learn more about
that.
> > >> > Does anyone have information about the process, cost and suppliers of
that
> > >> > service? Would this service be available for smaller presses such as
the
> > >> > C&P Pilot?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks in advance.
> > >> >
> > >> > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>

Gerald:

This comment caught me by surprise. There are several systems that use
lasers to ablate a carbon mask on the plate before processing. Do you not
consider these CTP?

For instance:
http://www.integre.com.tr/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=6&Itemid\
=37(167K
PDF)

BASF and Toyobo among others make ablative letterpress plates for these
systems. They are expensive and not used much (if at all) within our
community.

Thanks
Harold

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:20 AM, bielerpr <Bieler@...> wrote:

>
>
> Steve
>
> I don't know of any CTP yet configured for letterpress specifications.
>


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501 W. Fayette St. #222
Syracuse, NY  13204
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Hi Harold

Yes, I've processed these, but for a client using flexography, not letterpress.
I haven't seen any CTP letterpress plate specs (and appropriate plate
thicknesses) that would be of use for that all important "within our community."

Gerald
http://BielerPress.blogspot.com

--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Harold Kyle <harold@...> wrote:
>
> Gerald:
>
> This comment caught me by surprise. There are several systems that use
> lasers to ablate a carbon mask on the plate before processing. Do you not
> consider these CTP?
>
> For instance:
>
http://www.integre.com.tr/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=6&Itemid\
=37(167K
> PDF)
>
> BASF and Toyobo among others make ablative letterpress plates for these
> systems. They are expensive and not used much (if at all) within our
> community.
>
> Thanks
> Harold
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:20 AM, bielerpr <Bieler@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > I don't know of any CTP yet configured for letterpress specifications.
> >
>
>
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> ---
> Boxcar Press
> 501 W. Fayette St. #222
> Syracuse, NY  13204
> www.boxcarpress.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Gerald:

Letterpress CTP plates are indeed available, and with the same specs as we
use. KF95 plates and KM95 plates are presently made in a version with an
ablative mask, as are the BASF WFH 95 (or whatever). I know that Toyobo was
willing to add an ablative mask to any of their letterpress plates upon
request. These cost roughly 10% more than conventional plates, sometimes
more. Because of the costs of the material (and also the 6-figure equipment
cost) which we'd have to pass along to our customers, we have not invested
in CTP technology quite yet.

Thanks
Harold

Boxcar Press


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Tipoitalia 2 gives a lot of attention to numbers. Compared with letters there is
no doubt that these are a minor part of the typographic scene, but there is also
no denying that on a par with letters they have their rightful place alongside
the alphabet. Here we discuss the application of numbers on Italian clock dials
and house numbers where due consideration for architectural circumstances is a
necessity.

The Tipoteca Italiana has kindly printed an exclusive insert of very expressive
wood type numbers. Another insert prepared by Enrico Tallone and printed by him
in letterpress is part of the article on Alberto Tallone's type – designed in
the late 1940s, for the Tallone books – following a typographic tradition that
goes back to the Renaissance.

As in the first issue of Tipoitalia, the types chosen for the texts are the
products of Italian designers or interpretations of historical Italian models.
Types designed by some young and talented Italians are especially noteworthy and
we are grateful to them for making these available to us.

More info and PDF spread pages are available at www.tipoitalia.it

Hi Harold

Thanks for the info.

Gerald
http://BielerPress.blogspot.com

--- In PPLetterpress@yahoogroups.com, Harold Kyle <harold@...> wrote:
>
> Gerald:
>
> Letterpress CTP plates are indeed available, and with the same specs as we
> use. KF95 plates and KM95 plates are presently made in a version with an
> ablative mask, as are the BASF WFH 95 (or whatever). I know that Toyobo was
> willing to add an ablative mask to any of their letterpress plates upon
> request. These cost roughly 10% more than conventional plates, sometimes
> more. Because of the costs of the material (and also the 6-figure equipment
> cost) which we'd have to pass along to our customers, we have not invested
> in CTP technology quite yet.
>
> Thanks
> Harold
>
> Boxcar Press
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Anyone have any thoughts on how to dismantle a 10x15 Windmill?

Can a person carry the parts that are dismantled? for example- the table on the
right and the circular fly wheel?

Why do people put these in basements???????????????????

The cost of moving is very prohibitive.
What is the scrap value on this machine if a scrap yard were to come and buy it?

Does anyone have a used foil attachment for one?

Thanks
Steve

We recently got a Windmill - and now we have to transport it into our new
location. It will cost us almost 20% of what we paid for it, as we need to
have a special truck. We asked whether it can be brought into pieces - and
the reply was: absolutely no. Because, being a machine from the 60's, once
you dismantle it, no one can guarantee you that the parts will fit exactly
in place, after taking their respective shape from working more than 40
years in the same relative positions. Without knowing too much mechanics, I
tend to agree with the our seller.

Best regards,
Ion


www.moaradehartie.ro


2009/11/4 Arthur <steinsteve@...>

> Anyone have any thoughts on how to dismantle a 10x15 Windmill?
>
> Can a person carry the parts that are dismantled? for example- the table on
> the right and the circular fly wheel?
>
> Why do people put these in basements???????????????????
>
> The cost of moving is very prohibitive.
> What is the scrap value on this machine if a scrap yard were to come and
> buy it?
>
> Does anyone have a used foil attachment for one?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
>


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The best you can do is remove the flywheel, which will then allow you to
remove the "table" on the front which holds the paper feed and delivery
sections. These parts are not exactly easy to remove but they are possible.
You're still left with two very heavy castings which are not suitable for
carrying. I can describe the process required for this if you'd like, and it
should print fine afterwards because everything's pinned in place.
Incidentally, I support a constitutional amendment to prohibit presses from
basements.

Hope this helps,
Harold

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501 W. Fayette St. #222
Syracuse, NY  13204
www.boxcarpress.com


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It does not sound like something I would want to do, that's for sure.

It is possible to pay an exorbitant amount to get the things moved,
that's for sure.
I paid Mr Regan about $2K to move a 10x15 windmill from Chicago to
Dubuque, about 160 miles.

And then I paid a local carrier $500 to move another Windmill PLUS a
Mielhe V-36 from Minneapolis (more or less) to Dubuque.

Of course, then I had to get it off the truck myself ;-)
There are advantages to being in a warehouse!

Would not like to move one out of a basement, that's for damned sure.

AFAIK scrap is not what it was a couple of years ago...

good luck!

PF

On 4 Nov 2009, at 2:27 PM, Arthur wrote:

> Anyone have any thoughts on how to dismantle a 10x15 Windmill?
>
> Can a person carry the parts that are dismantled? for example- the
> table on the right and the circular fly wheel?
>
> Why do people put these in basements???????????????????
>
> The cost of moving is very prohibitive.
> What is the scrap value on this machine if a scrap yard were to come
> and buy it?
>
> Does anyone have a used foil attachment for one?
>
> Thanks
> Steve

Peter Fraterdeus
Exquisite Letterpress from Slow Print Studios
http://slowprint.com/

On 4 Nov 2009, at 3:37 PM, Harold Kyle wrote:

> The best you can do is remove the flywheel, which will then allow
> you to
> remove the "table" on the front which holds the paper feed and
> delivery
> sections. These parts are not exactly easy to remove but they are
> possible.
> You're still left with two very heavy castings which are not
> suitable for
> carrying. I can describe the process required for this if you'd
> like, and it
> should print fine afterwards because everything's pinned in place.
> Incidentally, I support a constitutional amendment to prohibit
> presses from
> basements.

That would have to be the subterranean rider on the First Amendment, eh?

Or a prohibition on Underground Lit?

;-)

P

>
> Hope this helps,
> Harold
>
> --
> ---
> Boxcar Press
> 501 W. Fayette St. #222
> Syracuse, NY  13204
> www.boxcarpress.com
>

Peter Fraterdeus
Exquisite Letterpress from Slow Print Studios
http://slowprint.com/

Good point. Underground Lit will now become Ground Level Concrete Slab Lit.
Seriously, if you care about preserving the craft, don't put your press
below ground without a way to get it out. Or build a wall around the press
after you move it in. I've had to move presses in these circumstances and I
really don't want to do it again!

Harold

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Peter Fraterdeus <peterf@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> On 4 Nov 2009, at 3:37 PM, Harold Kyle wrote:
>
> > The best you can do is remove the flywheel, which will then allow
> > you to
> > remove the "table" on the front which holds the paper feed and
> > delivery
> > sections. These parts are not exactly easy to remove but they are
> > possible.
> > You're still left with two very heavy castings which are not
> > suitable for
> > carrying. I can describe the process required for this if you'd
> > like, and it
> > should print fine afterwards because everything's pinned in place.
> > Incidentally, I support a constitutional amendment to prohibit
> > presses from
> > basements.
>
> That would have to be the subterranean rider on the First Amendment, eh?
>
> Or a prohibition on Underground Lit?
>
> ;-)
>
>
> P
>
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> > Harold
> >
> > --
> > ---
> > Boxcar Press
> > 501 W. Fayette St. #222
> > Syracuse, NY 13204
> > www.boxcarpress.com
> >
>
> Peter Fraterdeus
> Exquisite Letterpress from Slow Print Studios
> http://slowprint.com/
>
>
>



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501 W. Fayette St. #222
Syracuse, NY  13204
www.boxcarpress.com


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My dear brother Iowan Tim Fay in Anamosa (http://wapsi-almanac.com *)
told me the saddest press story I've ever heard about a couple of fine
old presses entombed in concrete in the foundation of a building.
Rather than move the things out, they just filled in the whole
basement and built a new building on top of it. This was out in the
Iowa boonies somewhere. I guess it would have just cost way more to
get them out than they were worth in 'scrap'.

Sheesh.

A good project for 22nd C archeology grad students, I suppose.

P

* Tim's in the midst of printing his next edition of possibly the last
all linotype & web letterpress journal around...
Hope I'm not divulging top secret info... Guess I'll hear about it if
I am ;-)

On 4 Nov 2009, at 3:51 PM, Harold Kyle wrote:

> Good point. Underground Lit will now become Ground Level Concrete
> Slab Lit.
> Seriously, if you care about preserving the craft, don't put your
> press
> below ground without a way to get it out. Or build a wall around the
> press
> after you move it in. I've had to move presses in these
> circumstances and I
> really don't want to do it again!
>
> Harold
>

Peter Fraterdeus
Exquisite Letterpress from Slow Print Studios
http://slowprint.com/