Okay well then I guess its up to me to invent a competition.


On 2/20/12, Dell <dellschanze@...> wrote:
> None of that makes any sense Gabe. Giving yourself an award would be
> creating a situation where nobody has a chance to win but yourself. Quite
> the contrary in this situation as I've created an opportunity for anyone,
> anywhere to beat me fair and square without anything other than skill being
> a factor. That is not giving yourself an award. Eric Dufour goated me on
> with a similar challenge but I smoked him so badly he didn't respond. If
> you and everyone else knows that nobody can beat me based on skill level
> then it obviously isn't "giving myself an award". That is really lame to
> say such a thing when you yourself just admitted nobody can beat me.
>
> No it makes no sense for me to remove myself from the competition as that
> wouldn't be honest or truthful. It wouldn't tell the world what they want
> to know. People want to know where the skills are and where they come from
> and who to train with to get the best skills. The wppga is the only
> organization that does that. It has a super open competition that anyone,
> anywhere can win if they have the skills to do so. Thereby backing up the
> words and logic with facts and open challenge to refute them.
>
> The wppga is really the ONLY real Paramotor World Championship. Show me any
> other competition that is setup where real pilots can enter and everyone has
> an equal chance to win? It doesn't exist anywhere other than the wppga. To
> make it even more honest I always call it the WPPGA Paramotor World
> Championships. Downplaying the honesty of the WPPGA is dishonest and
> illogical.
>
> Yes I would be happy to compete in other competitions if there were any.
> They don't exist. The only other competitions I've seen are completely
> idiotic requiring the participants to be insane morons. If someone else
> sets up a real competition that is fair and open and based on actual skill
> then I'll be happy to enter. The FACT that nobody can beat me only ADDS to
> the credibility of the WPPGA, it doesn't in any way detract from it. Whats
> idiotic and dishonest are people who can't fly for crap on total garbage
> equipment pretending to be champions. THAT is dishonest and completely
> without merit or credibility.
>
> Suggesting someone that can't be beaten is uncredible as a WPPGA World
> Champion is just laughable lol ahhahaa. Oh gee nobody can beat him but he
> just pretends he can't be beaten lol. Hahaha. That is actually so
> ridiculous it is quite funny. How can you even say something so absurd??
>
> For now the WPPGA World Championships IS the only credible competition.
> When there is another one though I'll be happy to play that game as well.
> I'm also open to other tasks if anyone can come up with one that is easy to
> do on youtube where anyone, anywhere can win and it is nearly impossible to
> cheat. Honesty and reality should be what we encourage and exonerate. The
> WPPGA Paramotor World Championships... Totally freaking rock! Soooo dang
> simple and honest.
>
>
>
> --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, gabriel evans <weowntheskiesteam@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Dell, nobody can beat you. Thats WHY you should opt out of the
>> competition you have invented. It would instantly lend credibility to
>> it. I like that you are trying to shake up the competition world and
>> set it on the right course, however when you stand in your sandbox and
>> build your own sandcastles it makes it a bit uninviting for anyone
>> else to join in the fun. Its not a mystery that you invented the
>> wppga. Its just a plain reality that people shy away form being
>> associated with you. I still love you and I am not dim witted, but
>> thanks for the assessment. All I was trying to say is if you beat
>> them at their game, maybe they will be more interested in your game.
>>
>> And yes, when you call yourself the world champion at something you
>> invented on a website you created then yes that is awarding yourself.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/19/12, Dell <dellschanze@...> wrote:
>> > Do a google search for paramotor world champion. Do you still think it
>> > is
>> > all in my mind? I'm really worried about you man. You say the most
>> > bazaar
>> > things that make no sense at all. Awarded myself?? Hello? Who can beat
>> > me?
>> > The WPPGA is the ONLY honest and real competition out there that I've
>> > seen.
>> > How can you be so blind as to know the facts but then still fall for all
>> > the
>> > total bull crap of those "other" competitions that are totally fake.
>> > They
>> > invite people who have only flown paramotors 6 times in their life to
>> > come
>> > "compete" for a title... lol. How can people be so stupid as to believe
>> > that is a real competition?
>> >
>> > The WPPGA is open to anyone, anywhere. It completely throws honesty and
>> > reality in the face of the scammers. No one is given anything. If you
>> > win
>> > you win. Where is a video of anyone out performing the current World
>> > Champion? The scammers try everything they can to downplay it but they
>> > can't
>> > because they can't win. Their BS and cheating doesn't work in a real
>> > competition where real skill determines the winner.
>> >
>> > The world is what we make it. You can fall for the BS and fraud or you
>> > can
>> > work to promote truth and reality. The WPPGA just laughs in the face of
>> > the
>> > liars. They can't cheat. They don't have their buddies with the finger
>> > on
>> > the stopwatch. They can't just not invite the best pilots in the world
>> > to
>> > compete. Skill against skill alone. Lots of the fake champions have
>> > TRIED
>> > to beat the WPPGA World Champion but they failed so miserably they
>> > didn't
>> > even post their results. All they can do is try to downplay its
>> > reality.
>> >
>> > Truth is truth. The WPPGA Paramotor World Championships is the ONLY
>> > competition where anyone, anywhere can win if they have the skills. As
>> > we
>> > all know I'm the guy to beat so it opens it up for anyone anywhere to
>> > take a
>> > crack at me. It simply doesn't get any more honest or open than that.
>> > Only
>> > someone honest who cares about the truth would do such a thing. I've
>> > set
>> > the standard. I've posted the rules and made it ridiculously simple for
>> > anyone to win. Anyone trying to suggest I awarded myself is blind and
>> > dimwitted. ANYONE who posts a video with the best result will win. How
>> > can
>> > I fake the whole world into not having the skills to win? It just makes
>> > no
>> > sense.
>> >
>> > The best and most experienced pilots should set the rules. Not people
>> > that
>> > don't have a clue how to fly. If someone wants to talk crap, they can
>> > go
>> > out and take the 15 minutes to shoot a video smoking me. Talk is cheap.
>> > Post & win owns the truth.
>> >
>> > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, Gabriel Evans <weowntheskiesteam@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Oh and to be frank the wppga does not set any standard but in your
>> >> mind.
>> >> You invalidated it for everyone by inventing it and then awarding
>> >> yourself
>> >> the merits. If you can't see that then you are a bit out of touch.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> On Feb 18, 2012, at 8:42 PM, "Dell" <dellschanze@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > What in the heck are you talking about? Reflex gliders are LESS
>> >> > stable,
>> >> > they are NOT as fast. Have you ever flown one? Also only a complete
>> >> > moron would fly through their own wake and prop wash fully
>> >> > accelerated
>> >> > 20 ft off the ground while maneuvering as violently as possible. No
>> >> > I'm
>> >> > not that big of a moron and therefore I'm not going to take part in
>> >> > their idiocy or play Russian roulette which is about the same.
>> >> >
>> >> > The WPPGA Paramotor World Championships sets the standard. Anyone
>> >> > anywhere can compete. The best pilot will always win as there is no
>> >> > luck, cheating, bias or favoritism. There is no other legit or
>> >> > intelligent competition I've seen. It's all BS. Those even posting
>> >> > links
>> >> > to the BS do a huge disservice to the industry as it makes us all
>> >> > look
>> >> > like idiots. Only stupid people fly reflex gliders fully accelerated
>> >> > 20
>> >> > ft off the ground through wake, rotor and propwash. These are not the
>> >> > types of people we want representing our sport in any way shape or
>> >> > form.
>> >> > They have no "game" so I'm certainly not going to start acting like a
>> >> > moron expecting I will then prove I'm not one. lol. What's up with
>> >> > you
>> >> > Gabe? Are you ok?
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, gabriel evans <weowntheskiesteam@>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Well, I played the point of the video where he gets whacked about
>> >> > > 25
>> >> > > times and I simply cant think of any turbulence being able to whack
>> >> > > a
>> >> > > wing like that. It looks like it got shot by a 10 ga shotgun. This
>> >> > > is why I think its propwash. Why would anyone in their tight mind
>> >> > > fly
>> >> > > behind someones wash like that? Well, this is an interesting
>> >> > > question. I do believe that a reflex wing has the capability to be
>> >> > > more collapse resistant than traditional PG wings. I have seen
>> >> > > friends intentionally fly right into my wash with their reflex
>> >> > > wings.
>> >> > > I did it once on purpose but I was up high, and that was good
>> >> > > because
>> >> > > I took about a 50% whack and lost about 200' recovering. This over
>> >> > > confidence by reflex pilots I think can lead to pilots doing really
>> >> > > absurd things because they can get away with it most of the time.
>> >> > > This time the blast was a bit more concentrated for whatever
>> >> > > reason,
>> >> > > and he got whacked. factor in the added acceptance of risk in the
>> >> > > competition environment and I can easily see how even an
>> >> > > experienced
>> >> > > pilot could get into this situation. Is it smart? No!
>> >> > > And re the relfex wing racing debate, I get the feeling that most
>> >> > > of
>> >> > > these comps are now requiring the pilot to be in weight range even
>> >> > > with motor on, so they might be finding advantages in the reflex
>> >> > > design even if they dont turn as hard, they may be able to make up
>> >> > > for
>> >> > > it on the straights as they fly full reflex profile and are then
>> >> > > also
>> >> > > "impervious" to propwash because the traditional PG wing in the
>> >> > > size
>> >> > > they would be required to fly would also be too slow to win.
>> >> > > All this theory is exactly why I want YOU to go over there and
>> >> > > enter
>> >> > > one of these comps!! I would love to see you hand it to them and
>> >> > > take
>> >> > > home a trophy for your brand, america, and also put an end to the
>> >> > > debate about reflex merits. I bet you could get some sponsorship
>> >> > > help
>> >> > > and maybe get your costs down on the trip.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 2/17/12, Dell <dellschanze@> wrote:
>> >> > > > Ok yes no question I agree prop wash is worth than a wake. I also
>> >> > > > agree
>> >> > > > that if someone were 40 ft in front of you that would be worse
>> >> > > > than
>> >> > > > going
>> >> > > > through your own prop wash in the perhaps, 80 ft it takes to get
>> >> > > > around in a
>> >> > > > tight circle. I would say that if someone were the same distance
>> >> > > > away from
>> >> > > > you as the size of a circle it takes to go through your own wake
>> >> > > > then the
>> >> > > > affect would be pretty much identical. We can't see anyone in the
>> >> > > > video in
>> >> > > > front of him. Also I seriously doubt he is flying directly behind
>> >> > > > someone
>> >> > > > and directly behind the prop of someone just off camera. Who in
>> >> > > > paramotoring is going to fly right behind someone's prop like
>> >> > > > that?
>> >> > > > So while
>> >> > > > there may be a tiny bit of possibility that is the case I would
>> >> > > > say
>> >> > > > it is
>> >> > > > extremely remote where we know for a fact that in my video I went
>> >> > > > through
>> >> > > > my wake over and over and over and stayed in that wake for well
>> >> > > > over
>> >> > > > 1
>> >> > > > minute straight. Plus since it was a very small circle I was in
>> >> > > > my
>> >> > > > own wake
>> >> > > > and prop wash within only 6 seconds away. You can easily count
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > seconds
>> >> > > > in my video for how long it takes me to get around that circle
>> >> > > > and
>> >> > > > back into
>> >> > > > the exact same spot. Then if you watch the Hadron wad up and time
>> >> > > > 6
>> >> > > > seconds
>> >> > > > you can see there is nobody within 6 seconds of him.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > You might also note that I can do a complete circle in only 6
>> >> > > > seconds:).
>> >> > > > Have fun finding a reflex glider that can do that lol. The
>> >> > > > typical
>> >> > > > circle
>> >> > > > you find with a reflex glider takes about 11 seconds to do a
>> >> > > > complete
>> >> > > > circle. Imagine a reflex pilot trying to race me around cones
>> >> > > > lol.
>> >> > > > It
>> >> > > > would be quite humiliating for them. Its one of the reasons it
>> >> > > > seems
>> >> > > > like
>> >> > > > only a complete moron would enter a reflex glider in a race, you
>> >> > > > simply
>> >> > > > CAN'T win on a piece of crap wing against real pilots.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Think about this: The EOS has a glide ratio of over 12:1!!! The
>> >> > > > typical
>> >> > > > reflex glider has a real world glide ratio of maybe only 5:1. So
>> >> > > > that crazy
>> >> > > > aweful sink rate works against them. As you are going around a
>> >> > > > circle the
>> >> > > > reflex glider is sinking over double that of the EOS. So there is
>> >> > > > no
>> >> > > > possible way they can turn anywhere even remotely close to as
>> >> > > > tight
>> >> > > > as a
>> >> > > > quality glider. As they are turning their glider is sinking
>> >> > > > through
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > corner. The higher the sink rate and lower the glide ratio the
>> >> > > > longer it
>> >> > > > takes to do a 360. With an EOS or other high quality and real
>> >> > > > competition
>> >> > > > glider you can make a circle, literally HALF that of a piece of
>> >> > > > crap
>> >> > > > reflex
>> >> > > > wing. These guys claiming to be champions are just obsurd to all
>> >> > > > real pilot
>> >> > > > who fly real wings. It isn't even logical for them to pretend
>> >> > > > they
>> >> > > > could
>> >> > > > win on crap equipment. Entering a Nucleon in a race would be like
>> >> > > > entering
>> >> > > > a VW Bug in Formula 1. It is just an obsurd marketing ploy for
>> >> > > > them
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > pretend they can "win competitions" when in fact that have no
>> >> > > > chance
>> >> > > > at all
>> >> > > > against real pilots on real wings.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Another part of that factor is power. With a Top80 pansy girls
>> >> > > > motor,
>> >> > > > trying to push a freaking pile of crap reflex pig, how the heck
>> >> > > > are
>> >> > > > you
>> >> > > > going to be able to turn as tight as possible? The tighter you
>> >> > > > turn
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > higher your sink rate. The Top80 just doesn't have the power to
>> >> > > > even
>> >> > > > turn
>> >> > > > at the wings capability let alone give you any hope of winning.
>> >> > > > With
>> >> > > > a Flat
>> >> > > > Top Ninja being the lightest and one of the most powerful
>> >> > > > paramotors
>> >> > > > on
>> >> > > > earth, that power to weight ratio makes for the ability to turn
>> >> > > > so
>> >> > > > sharp
>> >> > > > that I can literally put a wing tip on the ground and keep it
>> >> > > > there
>> >> > > > for 7
>> >> > > > rotations like you see in this video:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMS8si-V1EU
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The truth is really simple and logical. The reflex fraud is
>> >> > > > nothing
>> >> > > > more
>> >> > > > than a hoax. They can't win a PPG competition any more than they
>> >> > > > can
>> >> > > > win a
>> >> > > > PG XC competition. It is just ridiculous.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, gabriel evans
>> >> > > > <weowntheskiesteam@>
>> >> > > > wrote:
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Okay, so a wake is a small burble that many of us experience at
>> >> > > >> ridge
>> >> > > >> soaring sites. Some may claim that it is scary, however I have
>> >> > > >> never
>> >> > > >> felt or heard of anyone experiencing a collapse from a wake. A
>> >> > > >> propwash is a very direct movement of air that is never ever
>> >> > > >> existing
>> >> > > >> in nature, at least not in the realm of what we fly. When you go
>> >> > > >> through your own propwash or wake you are not experiencing the
>> >> > > >> full
>> >> > > >> possible force of the propwash because the act of turning
>> >> > > >> dissipates
>> >> > > >> the air blast considerably. Imagine blowing leaves with a leaf
>> >> > > >> blower. if you turn in a circle you will blow leaves away maybe
>> >> > > >> ten
>> >> > > >> feet, in all directions, but if you hold it on one course you
>> >> > > >> will
>> >> > > >> blow leaves 30 feet in one direction. This holds true in the
>> >> > > >> air,
>> >> > > >> so
>> >> > > >> the concentrated propwash from a pilot flying straight in front
>> >> > > >> of
>> >> > > >> you
>> >> > > >> is, in my unqualified but tested estimation, about 10 times
>> >> > > >> stronger.
>> >> > > >> You can see this glider in question take a HARD whack (even
>> >> > > >> though
>> >> > > >> only 40% it was very violent) and then surge forward and then it
>> >> > > >> seems
>> >> > > >> to whack back again. Seems to me that the column of air that was
>> >> > > >> obviously moving horizontally whacked him, and then the glider
>> >> > > >> recovered partly and as it did it surged forward again into the
>> >> > > >> same
>> >> > > >> column of blast and was re-whacked before the pilot turned AWAY
>> >> > > >> from
>> >> > > >> the collapse and climbed, recovering the glider. The fact that
>> >> > > >> he
>> >> > > >> turned away form the collapse says a bit about the glider, I
>> >> > > >> would
>> >> > > >> think a death trap unrecoverable reflex would not only turn
>> >> > > >> towards
>> >> > > >> the collapse but also not recover as well as this one did. I
>> >> > > >> have
>> >> > > >> taken a whack like that from propwash and it took a bit of time
>> >> > > >> to
>> >> > > >> recover it and also took more altitude, so I would have been on
>> >> > > >> the
>> >> > > >> ground in that situation.
>> >> > > >> I say it is a fair collapse examination because in a thermal, or
>> >> > > >> rotor, the air is not a concentrated pencil-thin column of
>> >> > > >> horizontally moving air. Its like trying to examine crash
>> >> > > >> capabilities of a car by dropping it off a bridge into a river
>> >> > > >> of
>> >> > > >> peanut butter. Its just not really a real world situation,
>> >> > > >> UNLESS
>> >> > > >> you
>> >> > > >> are involved in stupid flying situations like racing near ground
>> >> > > >> right
>> >> > > >> behind people who might be climbing out and blasting you with
>> >> > > >> their
>> >> > > >> wash. When exiting a thermal the air us more or less moving
>> >> > > >> vertically and is not as concentrated as a prop wash. Therefore
>> >> > > >> thats
>> >> > > >> why I am trying to differentiate between a thermal or rotor
>> >> > > >> (both
>> >> > > >> are
>> >> > > >> turbulence) induced collapse and a propwash collapse.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> On 2/17/12, Dell <dellschanze@> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > Not sure I'm following you on this one. Did you see my video
>> >> > > >> > of
>> >> > > >> > me
>> >> > > >> > going
>> >> > > >> > through my wake over and over without so much as a ripple? Why
>> >> > > >> > would the
>> >> > > >> > Hadron wadding up like that not be comparable to all the other
>> >> > > >> > wings
>> >> > > >> > going
>> >> > > >> > through their own wake over and over and over without even
>> >> > > >> > taking
>> >> > > >> > a tip
>> >> > > >> > collapse?
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Yes on this occasion it appears the pilot lived but it was
>> >> > > >> > also
>> >> > > >> > only a
>> >> > > >> > very
>> >> > > >> > small 40% collapse. A good certified glider will not even
>> >> > > >> > deviate
>> >> > > >> > off
>> >> > > >> > course from a 40% collapse. You can watch the K2 video where I
>> >> > > >> > do
>> >> > > >> > that
>> >> > > >> > over
>> >> > > >> > and over and over and it just keeps flying straight and level.
>> >> > > >> > So
>> >> > > >> > having a
>> >> > > >> > glider react that violently to that small of a collapse is
>> >> > > >> > really
>> >> > > >> > scary.
>> >> > > >> > Had he taken a bigger collapse you can imagine it would have
>> >> > > >> > been
>> >> > > >> > even
>> >> > > >> > worse.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Anyhow, I'm not following you on how you don't think that
>> >> > > >> > collapse
>> >> > > >> > applies.
>> >> > > >> > Can you explain what you are trying to say better? A collapse
>> >> > > >> > is
>> >> > > >> > a
>> >> > > >> > collapse.
>> >> > > >> > Wake and prop wash is something we experience all the time
>> >> > > >> > when
>> >> > > >> > flying
>> >> > > >> > with
>> >> > > >> > others. A glider that reacts like what we see in that video is
>> >> > > >> > pretty
>> >> > > >> > scary. I'm not sure why you say it wouldn't be applicable.
>> >> > > >> > Churning
>> >> > > >> > air is
>> >> > > >> > what causes gliders to collapse. There are many way that air
>> >> > > >> > gets
>> >> > > >> > churned
>> >> > > >> > but the affect is pretty equally comparable. A wake is nowhere
>> >> > > >> > near as
>> >> > > >> > bad
>> >> > > >> > as exiting a thermal. When you exit a thermal you have one
>> >> > > >> > body
>> >> > > >> > of air
>> >> > > >> > going up and another body of air going down and as you pass
>> >> > > >> > through it
>> >> > > >> > the
>> >> > > >> > glider takes a much more violent hit than it does from a wake
>> >> > > >> > of
>> >> > > >> > another
>> >> > > >> > glider. Especially a wake that has had several seconds to
>> >> > > >> > dissipate.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > Perhaps I'm just not understand fully why you are saying it
>> >> > > >> > isn't
>> >> > > >> > the
>> >> > > >> > same.
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, gabriel evans
>> >> > > >> > <weowntheskiesteam@>
>> >> > > >> > wrote:
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> I still contend this was not a collapse, but rather a
>> >> > > >> >> propwash
>> >> > > >> >> incident so its not fair to compare collapse characteristics
>> >> > > >> >> of
>> >> > > >> >> this
>> >> > > >> >> glider with another as in this moment it was not a collapse
>> >> > > >> >> and
>> >> > > >> >> regardless the glider and pilot faired pretty well I think.
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> On 2/16/12, Dell <dellschanze@> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> > A tip collapse won't cause such a horrific response. On a
>> >> > > >> >> > quality
>> >> > > >> >> > glider a
>> >> > > >> >> > tip collapse is nothing and won't affect the glider in the
>> >> > > >> >> > least. It
>> >> > > >> >> > certainly won't react violently like that. Plus that was a
>> >> > > >> >> > pretty
>> >> > > >> >> > small
>> >> > > >> >> > collapse on the Dudek Hadron. Had it taken a bigger
>> >> > > >> >> > collapse
>> >> > > >> >> > he
>> >> > > >> >> > would
>> >> > > >> >> > have
>> >> > > >> >> > been toast.
>> >> > > >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > No question we will see more people die on Dudek and
>> >> > > >> >> > Paramania
>> >> > > >> >> > in the
>> >> > > >> >> > near
>> >> > > >> >> > future. People are just rolling the dice with their life.
>> >> > > >> >> > We
>> >> > > >> >> > all
>> >> > > >> >> > know
>> >> > > >> >> > what
>> >> > > >> >> > happens when those things collapse and there are tons of
>> >> > > >> >> > videos that
>> >> > > >> >> > show
>> >> > > >> >> > how easily it happens. Death is imminent if you fly Dudek
>> >> > > >> >> > or
>> >> > > >> >> > Paramania.
>> >> > > >> >> > It
>> >> > > >> >> > would be interesting to figure out the death rate vs number
>> >> > > >> >> > of
>> >> > > >> >> > flights.
>> >> > > >> >> > People flying those things have very little experience. If
>> >> > > >> >> > you
>> >> > > >> >> > add
>> >> > > >> >> > up
>> >> > > >> >> > all
>> >> > > >> >> > the deaths on paramania and Dudek it is likely something
>> >> > > >> >> > like
>> >> > > >> >> > 450-500
>> >> > > >> >> > flights per death where a quality glider will be something
>> >> > > >> >> > like
>> >> > > >> >> > 200,000
>> >> > > >> >> > flights and counting without death.
>> >> > > >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > I've heard of I believe 6 deaths now just on Paramania
>> >> > > >> >> > alone.
>> >> > > >> >> > Also
>> >> > > >> >> > you
>> >> > > >> >> > can
>> >> > > >> >> > figure that the deaths we hear about are a very small
>> >> > > >> >> > percentage of
>> >> > > >> >> > those
>> >> > > >> >> > that actually happen. Since they are a tiny, less than 1%
>> >> > > >> >> > of
>> >> > > >> >> > the
>> >> > > >> >> > market, it
>> >> > > >> >> > has to be an incredibly bad death rate vs flights taken.
>> >> > > >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > We should all work harder to educate those coming into the
>> >> > > >> >> > sport
>> >> > > >> >> > about
>> >> > > >> >> > such
>> >> > > >> >> > a nightmare in our sport. Conning newbies into buying the
>> >> > > >> >> > uncertified
>> >> > > >> >> > death
>> >> > > >> >> > traps is really sick.
>> >> > > >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > At least the number of people trying to argue with the
>> >> > > >> >> > truth
>> >> > > >> >> > out in
>> >> > > >> >> > the
>> >> > > >> >> > open
>> >> > > >> >> > has decreased from just a couple years ago. Not so long ago
>> >> > > >> >> > the
>> >> > > >> >> > Paramania
>> >> > > >> >> > camp used to bash, trash and badmouth me out in the open
>> >> > > >> >> > swearing
>> >> > > >> >> > how
>> >> > > >> >> > their
>> >> > > >> >> > gliders were "impossible to collapse". One of their biggest
>> >> > > >> >> > supporters
>> >> > > >> >> > who
>> >> > > >> >> > bashed, trashed and lie about me most frequently then took
>> >> > > >> >> > a
>> >> > > >> >> > collapse
>> >> > > >> >> > and
>> >> > > >> >> > broke his back exactly how I warned him about only to have
>> >> > > >> >> > him
>> >> > > >> >> > call
>> >> > > >> >> > me a
>> >> > > >> >> > liar bla bla. Since then their supporters have been dying
>> >> > > >> >> > off
>> >> > > >> >> > and at
>> >> > > >> >> > least
>> >> > > >> >> > becoming less vocal.
>> >> > > >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > It is so strange to see people work so hard to push false
>> >> > > >> >> > information.
>> >> > > >> >> > It
>> >> > > >> >> > would be so much easier for them to just promote quality
>> >> > > >> >> > certified
>> >> > > >> >> > gliders.
>> >> > > >> >> > Then they wouldn't have to work so hard to try and get
>> >> > > >> >> > sales.
>> >> > > >> >> > The
>> >> > > >> >> > actually
>> >> > > >> >> > Paramania guys though are just as blatant as ever. They
>> >> > > >> >> > were
>> >> > > >> >> > swearing
>> >> > > >> >> > at me
>> >> > > >> >> > up and down, calling me a liar and even threatened to kill
>> >> > > >> >> > me
>> >> > > >> >> > for
>> >> > > >> >> > sharing
>> >> > > >> >> > what I found after doing a basic safety test on their
>> >> > > >> >> > glider
>> >> > > >> >> > but then
>> >> > > >> >> > immediately afterwards their own sponsored pilot died when
>> >> > > >> >> > he
>> >> > > >> >> > took a
>> >> > > >> >> > collapse on a Paramania wing at about 150 ft which never
>> >> > > >> >> > recovered.
>> >> > > >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > What's really bazaar is how we still even need to talk
>> >> > > >> >> > about
>> >> > > >> >> > this
>> >> > > >> >> > subject
>> >> > > >> >> > despite all the death and carnage. Ug.
>> >> > > >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, Mickey Damelio
>> >> > > >> >> > <visionteacher@>
>> >> > > >> >> > wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> Also seemed like a cravat at the end that kept the tip
>> >> > > >> >> >> collapsed.
>> >> > > >> >> >> On Feb 15, 2012 2:37 PM, "gabriel evans"
>> >> > > >> >> >> <weowntheskiesteam@>
>> >> > > >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > **
>> >> > > >> >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > It looked to me as though he was hit by propwash and I
>> >> > > >> >> >> > think any
>> >> > > >> >> >> > glider would have taken some damage there. That was for
>> >> > > >> >> >> > sure not
>> >> > > >> >> >> > regular turbulence.
>> >> > > >> >> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > On 2/15/12, Dell <dellschanze@> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > We just saw the video of the guy on an uncertified
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > ACRO
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > glider
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > get
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > into a
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > psycho rotor who fared much better than the Dudek
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > Hadron
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > that
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > was
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > trying
>> >> > > >> >> >> > to
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > fly straight and level over water.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > Fact is fact and when I tell people to stay off death
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > trap
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > pieces
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > of
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > crap
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > reflex gliders those 2 recent videos can't help to
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > prove
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > the
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > reasoning
>> >> > > >> >> >> > any
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > more clearly. Even in a psycho rotor a quality glider
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > with a
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > real
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > pilot
>> >> > > >> >> >> > in
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > control stayed under control where the reflex garbage
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > almost put
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > the
>> >> > > >> >> >> > other
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > guy into the water.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > Is there anyone that can't see this??!!! Who out there
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > wants to
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > argue
>> >> > > >> >> >> > with
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > the blatant obviousness in those 2 videos??!!
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > Now when I say a quality paraglider is at least
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > 1000-5000
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > times
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > more
>> >> > > >> >> >> > likely
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > to stay open you can see plain as day as to my
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > reasoning.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, "airgasm56"
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > <airgazim@>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Just for fun, here is a vid I found posted on
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Facebook,
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> watch
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> at
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> 1:50
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> or
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> so when the Dudek Hadron takes a 50% on one side.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Over
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> water
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> with
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> flotation and probably a fairly skilled pilot. Think
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> about all
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> these
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> guys without the skills and knowledge flying these
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> things
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> around
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> over
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> dirt. I hate to say it, but I see more injuries and
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> worse on
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> the
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> horizon. I just watched PPGing this year at the AZ
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Flying
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Circus
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> and
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> was
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> absolutely amazed at how many "Close Calls" there
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> were,
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> how
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> many
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> STUPID
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> launch path and direction choices were made, how many
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> long time
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> PPGers
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> just continue to not have any wing handling or
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> control
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> at all
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> year
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> after
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> year after year. It is just a good day when you
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> somehow
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> flail
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> together
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> enough launch attempts to catch a break and get into
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> the
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> air.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Sad,
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> but
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> very entertaining.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Paramotor Comp Video
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITztBcAkYHg>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, "Dell"
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> <dellschanze@>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > Here is a video where I got nailed with a gust
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > front
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > while on
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > an
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> uncertified acro glider with the trims up:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioEAv5H0iFM
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > Skills can prevent a bad situation from becoming
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > worse.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > Skills
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > and
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> the right equipment and this sport is about as safe
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> as
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> it gets.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, "evphotos90"
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > eedwards90landscape@
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > Definitely big balls to endure a collapse like
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > that!
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > Thank
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > goodness
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> it didn't crumble into a wad!
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > Ev
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > --- In PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Dymond
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > <dymond.tom@>
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > Sure you will.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > On Feb 12, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Mike Shaw wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > Balls of steel ! if that happened to me i'd
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > never fly
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > again !
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > From: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > [mailto:PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > > >> >> >> > ]
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> On Behalf Of Tom Dresner
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > Sent: 11 February 2012 19:55
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > To: PPGTRUTH@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > Subject: [PPGTRUTH] Nice
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > Check out the rotor after credits. Yikes.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiX2eGYJ2Kc
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > >
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > No virus found in this message.
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > 2112/4803
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > -
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > Release
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > > > Date:
>> >> > > >> >> >> > >> 02/11/12
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