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Start double clicking on the different menu choices (programs). See if one of those will open it.

Bob Bergstrom

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Ratchford

To: PBY@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:55 PM

Subject: Re: [PBY] PBY illustration citrus label

Heijo, I wasn't able to open the attachement. I got a menu to "convert from some kind of document and it gave along menu of choices. Not being very computer literate, I was clueless at that point. Any suggestions?

Doug

From: Heijo Kuil <HKuil@Hotmail.com>
To: pby@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 11:43:52 PM
Subject: [PBY] PBY illustration citrus label

Hello members.

New member John Medley wrote the following... .
My interest in the PBY comes from my activities as a collector of vintage produce crate labels.
My main area of interest is that of Arizona citrus shipping crate labels in use prior to the development
of cardboard cartons in the shipment of fresh citrus from Arizona. The use of wood boxes and paper
labels ceased about 1955-57. My experience in collecting and preserving crate labels leads me to think
this particuliar label was in used in the late 1940's or early 1950's.
I recently added a new item to my archive of labels; see attachment.
It is a 10" x11" crate label featureing an illustration of a PBY in low flight over citrus groves with
wheels retracted in front of Camelback Mountain, a local Phoenix landmark.
The citrus label "brand" name is CATALINA and the packer/shipper is Landon Fruit Company of Phoenix, Arizona.
The color of the aircraft in the illustration is navy blue and in place of the usual navy "star between
bars" logo is a numeral 71 between the bars where the star normally appears.
Illustrators working for printing companies usually took a lot of artistic license when creating crate label
illustrations for customers, so the position of the numeral and the absence of the star is not surprising.
However, I wondered if a member of a Landon family ever piloted or crewed on a PBY numbered as 71,
or if a family member served in a navy unit designated as 71. Were PBYs were stationed in and around
the general Phoenix area during or post WWII? Lake Roosevelt east of Mesa,AZ is the largest body of
water in central AZ, would sea planes have been assigned at the lake?
Thanks is advance for your assistance or observations.
John Medley.

#33541

From: Douglas Ratchford <Ratch4@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: PBY illustration citrus label

ratch4

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Heijo, I wasn't able to open the attachement. I got a menu to "convert from some kind of document and it gave along menu of choices. Not being very computer literate, I was clueless at that point. Any suggestions?

Doug

From: Heijo Kuil <HKuil@...>
To: pby@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 11:43:52 PM
Subject: [PBY] PBY illustration citrus label

Hello members.

New member John Medley wrote the following... .
My interest in the PBY comes from my activities as a collector of vintage produce crate labels.
My main area of interest is that of Arizona citrus shipping crate labels in use prior to the development
of cardboard cartons in the shipment of fresh citrus from Arizona. The use of wood boxes and paper
labels ceased about 1955-57. My experience in collecting and preserving crate labels leads me to think
this particuliar label was in used in the late 1940's or early 1950's.
I recently added a new item to my archive of labels; see attachment.
It is a 10" x11" crate label featureing an illustration of a PBY in low flight over citrus groves with
wheels retracted in front of Camelback Mountain, a local Phoenix landmark.
The citrus label "brand" name is CATALINA and the packer/shipper is Landon Fruit Company of Phoenix, Arizona.
The color of the aircraft in the illustration is navy blue and in place of the usual navy "star between
bars" logo is a numeral 71 between the bars where the star normally appears.
Illustrators working for printing companies usually took a lot of artistic license when creating crate label
illustrations for customers, so the position of the numeral and the absence of the star is not surprising.
However, I wondered if a member of a Landon family ever piloted or crewed on a PBY numbered as 71,
or if a family member served in a navy unit designated as 71. Were PBYs were stationed in and around
the general Phoenix area during or post WWII? Lake Roosevelt east of Mesa,AZ is the largest body of
water in central AZ, would sea planes have been assigned at the lake?
Thanks is advance for your assistance or observations.
John Medley.

#33540

From: "Robert Bergstrom" <pbybergstrom@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: Fortitude and Endurance...

pbybergstrom

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Pretty amazing. I guess you can fly with ailerons gone.

Bob Bergstrom

----- Original Message -----

From: jean-christophe polet

To: PBY@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:41 PM

Subject: [PBY] Fortitude and Endurance...

Found in Flight International...

#33539

From: Craig Benbow <benbowc@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:51 pm
Subject: Re: Fortitude and Endurance...

kiwiihc

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jean-christophe polet wrote:
>
>
> Found in Flight International...
>
>
Now that is truly incredible!  What a great aircraft.

Craig

#33538

From: jean-christophe polet <prouilhacat2@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:41 pm
Subject: Fortitude and Endurance...

prouilhacat2

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Found in Flight International...

#33537

From: "Robert Bergstrom" <pbybergstrom@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:54 pm
Subject: Re: PBY illustration citrus label

pbybergstrom

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I do see many references to "PBY" and "Landon" when I do a short internet search. Do you any first names or any other info on this family?

Bob Bergstrom

----- Original Message -----

From: Heijo Kuil

To: pby@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:43 PM

Subject: [PBY] PBY illustration citrus label

Hello members.

New member John Medley wrote the following....
My interest in the PBY comes from my activities as a collector of vintage produce crate labels.
My main area of interest is that of Arizona citrus shipping crate labels in use prior to the development
of cardboard cartons in the shipment of fresh citrus from Arizona. The use of wood boxes and paper
labels ceased about 1955-57. My experience in collecting and preserving crate labels leads me to think
this particuliar label was in used in the late 1940's or early 1950's.
I recently added a new item to my archive of labels; see attachment.
It is a 10" x11" crate label featureing an illustration of a PBY in low flight over citrus groves with
wheels retracted in front of Camelback Mountain, a local Phoenix landmark.
The citrus label "brand" name is CATALINA and the packer/shipper is Landon Fruit Company of Phoenix, Arizona.
The color of the aircraft in the illustration is navy blue and in place of the usual navy "star between
bars" logo is a numeral 71 between the bars where the star normally appears.
Illustrators working for printing companies usually took a lot of artistic license when creating crate label
illustrations for customers, so the position of the numeral and the absence of the star is not surprising.
However, I wondered if a member of a Landon family ever piloted or crewed on a PBY numbered as 71,
or if a family member served in a navy unit designated as 71. Were PBYs were stationed in and around
the general Phoenix area during or post WWII? Lake Roosevelt east of Mesa,AZ is the largest body of
water in central AZ, would sea planes have been assigned at the lake?
Thanks is advance for your assistance or observations.
John Medley.

#33536

From: George Herold <GeorgeSS132@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:29 pm
Subject: THANKSGIVING

GeorgeSS132@...

BILL, LARRY & GANG - I KNOW I'M BEING REPETITIOUS WHEN SAYING THAT I MAY NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN APPLE OR A BAG OF NUTS ON JUNE 25 1942, OR A PILLOW, BY SOME YOUNG THING IN A MINI-SKIRT, AND WAS TOLD THAT THERE WOULD BE NO SUCH THING AS AN IN-FLIGHT MOVIE - BUT, ON THIS COMING THANKSGIVING, THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY WHO'LL BE QUITE THANKFULL, BUT ALSO A BIT SAD IN RE TO THE FACT THAT THE BOYS WHO FOUND US WERE THEY THEMSELVES LOST TWO MONTHS LATER. SO BE IT. YOU CAN'T WIN 'EM ALL. - HOPING ALL ENJOY YOUR THANKSGIVINGS - GEOSS

From: billmaris
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 12:43 AM
To: PBY@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PBY] Blisters.

GE LARRY

I DONATED MY ORIGINAL LOG BOOK TO THE PBY MEMORIAL FOUNDATION AT NASW/OH FOR THE MUSEUM AND HAVE A COPY OF IT HERE ON MY DESK FOR EASY REFERENCE. I DIDN'T KEEP MANY WRITTEN NOTES, MY MEMORY HAS THEM ALL STORED AWAY FOR INSTANT REPORTING AS NEEDED.

WHEN EVER WE RETURNED FROM A HAIRY MISSION WE WOULD ALWAYS REPORT HASH MARKS AND AS WELL HOW MANY WASHERS WE CUT OFF! PBY SAILORS DON'T HAVE HEM-OR-RHOID PROBLEMS!

SATB GB BILL

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#33535

From: "Erik Thingbo" <erik.thingbo@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:16 am
Subject: Re: PBY illustration citrus label

thingboerik

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Hi new member John.

Welcome in the group. Interesting and nice looking label, do you have any chance to send it as a photo.

Thanks in advance

Erik

----- Original Message -----

From: Heijo Kuil

To: pby@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 6:43 AM

Subject: [PBY] PBY illustration citrus label

Hello members.

New member John Medley wrote the following....
My interest in the PBY comes from my activities as a collector of vintage produce crate labels.
My main area of interest is that of Arizona citrus shipping crate labels in use prior to the development
of cardboard cartons in the shipment of fresh citrus from Arizona. The use of wood boxes and paper
labels ceased about 1955-57. My experience in collecting and preserving crate labels leads me to think
this particuliar label was in used in the late 1940's or early 1950's.
I recently added a new item to my archive of labels; see attachment.
It is a 10" x11" crate label featureing an illustration of a PBY in low flight over citrus groves with
wheels retracted in front of Camelback Mountain, a local Phoenix landmark.
The citrus label "brand" name is CATALINA and the packer/shipper is Landon Fruit Company of Phoenix, Arizona.
The color of the aircraft in the illustration is navy blue and in place of the usual navy "star between
bars" logo is a numeral 71 between the bars where the star normally appears.
Illustrators working for printing companies usually took a lot of artistic license when creating crate label
illustrations for customers, so the position of the numeral and the absence of the star is not surprising.
However, I wondered if a member of a Landon family ever piloted or crewed on a PBY numbered as 71,
or if a family member served in a navy unit designated as 71. Were PBYs were stationed in and around
the general Phoenix area during or post WWII? Lake Roosevelt east of Mesa,AZ is the largest body of
water in central AZ, would sea planes have been assigned at the lake?
Thanks is advance for your assistance or observations.
John Medley.

#33534

From: "Erik Thingbo" <erik.thingbo@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:20 am
Subject: Re: PBY illustration citrus label

thingboerik

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Hi new member John.

Welcome in the group. Interesting and nice looking label, do you have any change to send it as a photo.

Thanks in advance

Erik

Denmark

----- Original Message -----

From: Heijo Kuil

To: pby@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 6:43 AM

Subject: [PBY] PBY illustration citrus label

Hello members.

New member John Medley wrote the following....
My interest in the PBY comes from my activities as a collector of vintage produce crate labels.
My main area of interest is that of Arizona citrus shipping crate labels in use prior to the development
of cardboard cartons in the shipment of fresh citrus from Arizona. The use of wood boxes and paper
labels ceased about 1955-57. My experience in collecting and preserving crate labels leads me to think
this particuliar label was in used in the late 1940's or early 1950's.
I recently added a new item to my archive of labels; see attachment.
It is a 10" x11" crate label featureing an illustration of a PBY in low flight over citrus groves with
wheels retracted in front of Camelback Mountain, a local Phoenix landmark.
The citrus label "brand" name is CATALINA and the packer/shipper is Landon Fruit Company of Phoenix, Arizona.
The color of the aircraft in the illustration is navy blue and in place of the usual navy "star between
bars" logo is a numeral 71 between the bars where the star normally appears.
Illustrators working for printing companies usually took a lot of artistic license when creating crate label
illustrations for customers, so the position of the numeral and the absence of the star is not surprising.
However, I wondered if a member of a Landon family ever piloted or crewed on a PBY numbered as 71,
or if a family member served in a navy unit designated as 71. Were PBYs were stationed in and around
the general Phoenix area during or post WWII? Lake Roosevelt east of Mesa,AZ is the largest body of
water in central AZ, would sea planes have been assigned at the lake?
Thanks is advance for your assistance or observations.
John Medley.

#33533

From: Heijo Kuil <HKuil@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:43 am
Subject: PBY illustration citrus label

hkuil

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Hello members.

New member John Medley wrote the following....
My interest in the PBY comes from my activities as a collector of vintage produce crate labels.
My main area of interest is that of Arizona citrus shipping crate labels in use prior to the development
of cardboard cartons in the shipment of fresh citrus from Arizona. The use of wood boxes and paper
labels ceased about 1955-57. My experience in collecting and preserving crate labels leads me to think
this particuliar label was in used in the late 1940's or early 1950's.
I recently added a new item to my archive of labels; see attachment.
It is a 10" x11" crate label featureing an illustration of a PBY in low flight over citrus groves with
wheels retracted in front of Camelback Mountain, a local Phoenix landmark.
The citrus label "brand" name is CATALINA and the packer/shipper is Landon Fruit Company of Phoenix, Arizona.
The color of the aircraft in the illustration is navy blue and in place of the usual navy "star between
bars" logo is a numeral 71 between the bars where the star normally appears.
Illustrators working for printing companies usually took a lot of artistic license when creating crate label
illustrations for customers, so the position of the numeral and the absence of the star is not surprising.
However, I wondered if a member of a Landon family ever piloted or crewed on a PBY numbered as 71,
or if a family member served in a navy unit designated as 71. Were PBYs were stationed in and around
the general Phoenix area during or post WWII? Lake Roosevelt east of Mesa,AZ is the largest body of
water in central AZ, would sea planes have been assigned at the lake?
Thanks is advance for your assistance or observations.
John Medley.

#33532

From: "billmaris" <billmaris@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:43 am
Subject: Re: Blisters.

w7smn

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GE LARRY

WHEN EVER WE RETURNED FROM A HAIRY MISSION WE WOULD ALWAYS REPORT HASH MARKS AND AS WELL HOW MANY WASHERS WE CUT OFF! PBY SAILORS DON'T HAVE HEM-OR-RHOID PROBLEMS!

SATB GB BILL

#33531

From: "Larry Katz" <papakatz@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:30 pm
Subject: Re: Blisters.

larrykstz

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Doug,Many,many,I can assure you.Had my rear chewed out from the crew and the rest of the squadron for a long,long,time.I try to put it out of my mind,but in todays news regarding the crap that is going on,I do think about it a lot..................Larry

----- Original Message -----

From: Douglas Ratchford

To: PBY@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 10:23 AM

Subject: Re: [PBY] Blisters.

How many hash marks did that snafu cost you Larry?

Doug

From: billmaris <billmaris@comcast.net>
To: PBY@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 12:24:06 AM
Subject: Re: [PBY] Blisters.

GE LARRY

THAT WILL KEEP YOU HOPPING HOPING THE PIN WAS STAYING IN PLACE!

STILL BET THE ENGINES WERE NOT IN ALTERNATE AIR INTAKE AND THE CARBS WERE ICING UP!

SATB GB BILL

#33530

From: "Larry Katz" <papakatz@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:24 pm
Subject: Re: Blisters.

larrykstz

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Bill,going over those Mts always gave us an extra hashmark.Those native runners that the Aussie Commandos worked,were something else.We taught them the dirtiest words to call their Chiefs(not ours)when we landed .We would point to someone in the plane,call him a SOB,and tell them him like your Chief a SOB,you tell them.This went on with about everything.When we got over 15000 feet they would start shaking all over and those goose bumps would come out all over them,we then supplied them with blankets....It was so funny at that time,got our minds off a lot of things.Whenever we got back from a hairy flight,our PPC always gave us a fifth of Scotch or Gin,......All these come back to me.....Loaned my Doc today my Log Book and told him his life depended on the safety of that book.He said he would protect it with his life.When I get it back next week will reprint it in another Log book that I have Rat Holed away.It will be word for word,no added remarks.Sorry for this long reply....................Larry(the extra log book I have was given to me by our Log Yeoman,a bit yellowed but it still mint state.

----- Original Message -----

From: billmaris

To: PBY@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:24 AM

Subject: Re: [PBY] Blisters.

GE LARRY

THAT WILL KEEP YOU HOPPING HOPING THE PIN WAS STAYING IN PLACE!

STILL BET THE ENGINES WERE NOT IN ALTERNATE AIR INTAKE AND THE CARBS WERE ICING UP!

SATB GB BILL

#33529

From: Douglas Ratchford <Ratch4@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: Blisters.

ratch4

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How many hash marks did that snafu cost you Larry?

Doug

From: billmaris <billmaris@...>
To: PBY@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 12:24:06 AM
Subject: Re: [PBY] Blisters.

GE LARRY

THAT WILL KEEP YOU HOPPING HOPING THE PIN WAS STAYING IN PLACE!

STILL BET THE ENGINES WERE NOT IN ALTERNATE AIR INTAKE AND THE CARBS WERE ICING UP!

SATB GB BILL

#33528

From: "billmaris" <billmaris@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:24 am
Subject: Re: Blisters.

w7smn

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GE LARRY

THAT WILL KEEP YOU HOPPING HOPING THE PIN WAS STAYING IN PLACE!

STILL BET THE ENGINES WERE NOT IN ALTERNATE AIR INTAKE AND THE CARBS WERE ICING UP!

SATB GB BILL

#33527

From: "Robert Bergstrom" <pbybergstrom@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:29 am
Subject: Re: Skagit PBY

pbybergstrom

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Thanks for the photos. It would be a shame to have the plane damaged by exposure to the elements while it is in pieces. I think having it go to a museum would be a good option (Boeing) if no one gets it in flying condition. I tell my wife a PBY would fit in the backyard if the wings were not on it. If I could only win the lottery...

Bob Bergstrom

----- Original Message -----

From: Heijo Kuil

To: pby@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:10 PM

Subject: [PBY] Skagit PBY

Hello members.

Info on the Skagit PBY:

"The airplane was moved off the airport to a storage facility one mail from the airport.

The wings were removed for this but the airframe and all components are in good shape.

The logbooks 'disappeared' when the bank repo'd the airplane and we are in the process of trying to recover them. My understanding is that the engines have not been run in quite some time, I am guessing they will need an overhaul. Other than that the airplane is in great shape and much work had been completed before it was taken back by the bank.

The wings are now covered with tarps, but we are in the process of getting it professionally moved by airframe mechanics to indoor storage"

#33526

From: Heijo Kuil <HKuil@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:24 am
Subject: Blisters.

hkuil

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Hello members.

Another message from Larry Katz......

Heijo, everytime I open one of our groups E-Mails and see one of our planes, regardless of Atlantic or Pacific Coasts I look at the blisters and think back where the Hand Grenade I threw out, bounced back from the upper section and landed on the catwalk where we were throwing everything over the side to lessen the weight.To this day,keep thinking about pulling the pin(Which I did not).(To the ones who are reading this and know nothing what I am talking about,its going over the Owen Stanleys and engine cutting out with those Australian Commandos and Coast Watchers in our plane. Larry

#33525

From: Heijo Kuil <HKuil@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:21 am
Subject: FW: Lake Boga at War

hkuil

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Hello members.

Message from Larry Katz....

Heijo,thanks again,why that high?Will keep trying,Paul Stevens and crew makes my pulse go faster and faster.Knew all,plus Walt Hartley who use to be my pilot for nearly 6 months..If you haven't the crews names let me know and I will forward.They were in Crew 13.Larry(October of 1942)

----- Original Message -----

From: Heijo Kuil

To: Larry Katz

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 1:33 PM

Subject: Lake Boga at War

Hello Larry.

The book "Lake Boga at War" for 'only' 160 bucks + 22 shipping, see:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/ListingDetails?bi=1588496608&cm_ven=nl&cm_cat=trg&cm_pla=want&cm_ite=viewbook

The 'lowest' price so far...

Greetings, Heijo.

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#33524

From: Heijo Kuil <HKuil@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:10 am
Subject: Skagit PBY

hkuil

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Hello members.

Info on the Skagit PBY:

"The airplane was moved off the airport to a storage facility one mail from the airport.

The wings were removed for this but the airframe and all components are in good shape.

The logbooks 'disappeared' when the bank repo'd the airplane and we are in the process of trying to recover them. My understanding is that the engines have not been run in quite some time, I am guessing they will need an overhaul. Other than that the airplane is in great shape and much work had been completed before it was taken back by the bank.

The wings are now covered with tarps, but we are in the process of getting it professionally moved by airframe mechanics to indoor storage"

#33523

From: Heijo Kuil <HKuil@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:51 am
Subject: Lake Boga at War

hkuil

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Hello members.

The book "Lake Boga at War" for 'only' 160 bucks + 22 shipping, see:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/ListingDetails?bi=1588496608&cm_ven=nl&cm_cat=trg&cm_pla=want&cm_ite=viewbook

The 'lowest' price so far...

Greetings, Heijo.

#33522

From: Heijo Kuil <HKuil@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:07 pm
Subject: RE: PBY bank repossession!!

hkuil

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http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33104

Hello David Legg and members.

The photo's in the advertisement are at least 6 months old as "N84857" was moved from location shown
in May 2009 to a new location less than a mile away at "Atlas Van Lines".see:

http://www.catalina.org.uk/catalina-latest-news/world-catalina-news-jun-2009-a32.html

Advertisement, see: http://www.controller.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=1162420&guid=c99cbef0c9424b10a9f4c07a491f9ec6

I will have a look and see if she is still at Skagit airport......I'll let you know what I can find out.

Greetings, Heijo.

To: PBY@yahoogroups.com
From: davidlegg@...
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:44:57 +0000
Subject: [PBY] PBY bank repossession!!

What do you know Heijo? This is out your way and I know you have been keeping your eyes on it. It is the PBY that is at Skagit County, Wa and has been on a long-term rebuild since taxiing into a ditch with fatal results in Montana back in May, 1985 just prior to a proposed delivery to the Israeli Air Force Museum (which didn�t ever happen of course).

David Legg

Editor: The Catalina News, The Catalina Society

AB08152

#33521

From: "David Legg" <davidlegg@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:44 pm
Subject: PBY bank repossession!!

davidlegg_pbyab

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http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33104

David Legg

Editor: The Catalina News, The Catalina Society

AB08152

#33520

From: "Erik Thingbo" <erik.thingbo@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: "Bu.67888"

thingboerik

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David,

Thanks for your quick answer and explanation.

All the best

Erik

----- Original Message -----

From: David Legg

To: PBY@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:47 PM

Subject: RE: [PBY] "Bu.67888"

When I was putting my book together what seems year ago now, I saw in more than one private research paper (ie: not official source documents) a reference to CF-NCJ with a pedigree of c/n CV-420 ex-44-33924. My understanding was that the private papers had been put together using official records so I went along with it and reproduced that data in my book. Since then there has been doubt that CF-NCJ was a Catalina at all although it is odd that the previous researchers had been specific about previous identities. As Ragnar says, CF-NJC was certainly a Canso A and it is currently preserved at Goose Bay on external static display. I and many others have quoted it as being an ex-USAAF OA-10A whereas Ragnar�s researches have proved it to be a former RCAF Canso A. In this particular case however many of us have been duped because official records have it recorded incorrectly!

David Legg

Editor: The Catalina News, The Catalina Society

From: PBY@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PBY@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ragnar J. Ragnarsson
Sent: 17 November 2009 11:39
To: PBY@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PBY] "Bu.67888"

Erik,

On 05Oct51 the Contracting office of the USAF's Mobile Air Materiel Area, Brookley Air Force Base, Alabama, issued an Invitation for Bids covering the hull of 44-33924, CV 420, (and several other), less wing center section and landing gear. I don't know whether there were any takers, but I am not aware of any Cat being registered CF-NCJ. There was, and still is, a CF-NJC of the Government of Newfoundland & Labrador, but that is Canso A #11091, CV 431, often confused with 44-33929, CV 430.

Ragnar

----- Original Message -----

From: Erik Thingbo

To: PBY

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:22 AM

Subject: [PBY] "Bu.67888"

Hi group.

Is there some one in the group there known what fate (Bu.67888 � 44-33924 � CV-420 � CF-NCJ) may have? The only information I have is, Government of Newfoundland & Labrador c. 1973, from the book of David Legg.

Are there any photos of her?

Many regards from

Erik

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#33519

From: "David Legg" <davidlegg@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:47 pm
Subject: RE: "Bu.67888"

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When I was putting my book together what seems year ago now, I saw in more than one private research paper (ie: not official source documents) a reference to CF-NCJ with a pedigree of c/n CV-420 ex-44-33924. My understanding was that the private papers had been put together using official records so I went along with it and reproduced that data in my book. Since then there has been doubt that CF-NCJ was a Catalina at all although it is odd that the previous researchers had been specific about previous identities. As Ragnar says, CF-NJC was certainly a Canso A and it is currently preserved at Goose Bay on external static display. I and many others have quoted it as being an ex-USAAF OA-10A whereas Ragnar’s researches have proved it to be a former RCAF Canso A. In this particular case however many of us have been duped because official records have it recorded incorrectly!

David Legg

Editor: The Catalina News, The Catalina Society

From: PBY@yahoogroups.com [mailto:PBY@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ragnar J. Ragnarsson
Sent: 17 November 2009 11:39
To: PBY@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PBY] "Bu.67888"

Erik,

On 05Oct51 the Contracting office of the USAF's Mobile Air Materiel Area, Brookley Air Force Base, Alabama, issued an Invitation for Bids covering the hull of 44-33924, CV 420, (and several other), less wing center section and landing gear. I don't know whether there were any takers, but I am not aware of any Cat being registered CF-NCJ. There was, and still is, a CF-NJC of the Government of Newfoundland & Labrador, but that is Canso A #11091, CV 431, often confused with 44-33929, CV 430.

Ragnar

----- Original Message -----

From: Erik Thingbo

To: PBY

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:22 AM

Subject: [PBY] "Bu.67888"

Hi group.

Is there some one in the group there known what fate (Bu.67888 – 44-33924 – CV-420 – CF-NCJ) may have? The only information I have is, Government of Newfoundland & Labrador c. 1973, from the book of David Legg.

Are there any photos of her?

Many regards from

Erik

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From: "Erik Thingbo" <erik.thingbo@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: "Bu.67888"

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Ragnar,

Thanks for your quick answer.

Erik

----- Original Message -----

From: Ragnar J. Ragnarsson

To: PBY@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: [PBY] "Bu.67888"

Erik,

On 05Oct51 the Contracting office of the USAF's Mobile Air Materiel Area, Brookley Air Force Base, Alabama, issued an Invitation for Bids covering the hull of 44-33924, CV 420, (and several other), less wing center section and landing gear. I don't know whether there were any takers, but I am not aware of any Cat being registered CF-NCJ. There was, and still is, a CF-NJC of the Government of Newfoundland & Labrador, but that is Canso A #11091, CV 431, often confused with 44-33929, CV 430.

Ragnar

----- Original Message -----

From: Erik Thingbo

To: PBY

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:22 AM

Subject: [PBY] "Bu.67888"

Hi group.

Is there some one in the group there known what fate (Bu.67888 � 44-33924 � CV-420 � CF-NCJ) may have? The only information I have is, Government of Newfoundland & Labrador c. 1973, from the book of David Legg.

Are there any photos of her?

Many regards from

Erik

#33517

From: "Ragnar J. Ragnarsson" <ragsie@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:38 am
Subject: Re: "Bu.67888"

tfrjr2002

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Erik,

Ragnar

----- Original Message -----

From: Erik Thingbo

To: PBY

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:22 AM

Subject: [PBY] "Bu.67888"

Hi group.

Is there some one in the group there known what fate (Bu.67888 � 44-33924 � CV-420 � CF-NCJ) may have? The only information I have is, Government of Newfoundland & Labrador c. 1973, from the book of David Legg.

Are there any photos of her?

Many regards from

Erik

#33516

From: "Erik Thingbo" <erik.thingbo@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:36 am
Subject: "Bu.67888"

thingboerik

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Hi Group.

Sorry, but I forgot to mention that I have photos of her as 44-33924.

Regards

Erik

#33515

From: "Erik Thingbo" <erik.thingbo@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:22 am
Subject: "Bu.67888"

thingboerik

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Hi group.

Is there some one in the group there known what fate (Bu.67888 � 44-33924 � CV-420 � CF-NCJ) may have? The only information I have is, Government of Newfoundland & Labrador c. 1973, from the book of David Legg.

Are there any photos of her?

Many regards from

Erik

#33514

From: "Erik Thingbo" <erik.thingbo@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:17 pm
Subject: "Cat on the move"

thingboerik

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Hi Group

Today we have removed the propeller and power plant, and the Center section, of L-861 Bu. 64035

Se new photos in the photo section.

Erik

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#33513

From: "Robert Bergstrom" <pbybergstrom@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: VP-92

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One more;

----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Bergstrom

To: Yahoo PBY Group

Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:18 AM

Subject: [PBY] VP-92

Photos on Ebay of VP-92 in Morroco (1942);

http://cgi.ebay.com/WWII-US-Navy-Photo-Album-Log-VPB-92-SanJuan-Gilbraltar_W0QQitemZ290369824503QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439b63e6f7

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Bob Bergstrom