That sounds great! Email me the article and I'll put it in.
Thanks Steve.

Neil

P.S. I have checked your website, pretty cool. How are the projects
progressing?

----- Original Message -----
From: leeroystuff <steve@...>
To: <Ozanimation@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:39 AM
Subject: [Ozanimation] Re: Ozanimation newsletter?


> Hi Neil,
>
> I have a review of Toon Boom Studio that I did for Desktop
> magazine a couple of months ago that you can have for the
> newsletter. Let me know
>
> Steve
> Mad Cow Pictures
>
>
> --- In Ozanimation@y..., "neilhdoghouse" <neilh@a...> wrote:
> > G'day everyone,
> >
> > I'm working on putting the first newsletter together for the
> > Ozanimation group, calling in favours, exploiting friends, bribes
> > etc. etc. :)  The first issue may be a bit Melbourne focussed
> however
> > if anyone on the list would like to contribute in anyway with
> > artwork,news,job opportunites,book or film reviews or articles
> please
> > let me know.
> >
> > Also maybe we should have a name for the newsletter
> Ozanimation?
> > Any suggestions? if we get a few suggestions we can vote for
> the best.
> > If this list grows maybe in the future this newsletter may take
> the
> > form of an actual publication who knows? :)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Neil
> > moderator Ozanimation
>
>
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> I'm working on putting the first newsletter together for the
> Ozanimation group, calling in favours, exploiting friends, bribes
> etc. etc. :)  The first issue may be a bit Melbourne focussed
however

Hi Neil,
is this going to be an online newsletter (e-mailed to everyone) or
will it be in print?

Lili

Hey Neil

Just a quickie re the Oz animation industry - in my experience when
you get your first good break seems to be a mix of preparedness
(skills to offer and a degree of "push" in yourself because you know
you are ready - as opposed to would really like to but ....) and just
plain ol' luck - the right place at the right time and they like the
look of you/need someone with your skills/think you will fit the
culture of their organisation/willing to take a risk with you.
And how much work is around - the general state of things.

There's a good download on the AFC site re the state of the industry.
I think the ASDA site has a link to it??

Read Encore if you can. AWN etc are good. Join ASDA as an associate.
Create a Yahoo group is good!! ;) Go to places in person has worked
for me best mostly.

And Bill Plympton has written some helpful hints about "How to
survive as an animator" on his website - connected to www.awn.com

I've got a couple of projects I would love to employ people on but
don't have the bucks at this point in time.
So I'm not starting out like you, but restarting as a
producer/animator - a bit more ambitious for my own work after
working for others mostly to date.

There must be an aweful lot of animators in Australia out of work at
the moment with some much stuff going offshore.

Last thing
I think it helps to know what you want to do - the sort of work you
would love to do if you could have it all your own way. Then do it.
Feed your soul and make yourself happy while you are waiting for your
wave ~~~

How quick was that

LB at PCM
sparx


--- In Ozanimation@y..., "neilhdoghouse" <neilh@a...> wrote:
> Welcome to the Australian Animators Group.
> I Hope this list will help broaden the animation network
> in Australia for professionals and amatuers alike. Please feel free
> to let anyone you know involved or interested in Animation in
> Australia about this list.
>
> This list is for Job postings, news, questions and answers and
> opinions of the aussie animation industry.
>
> I intend to write a bimonthly email newsletter on what's happening
in
> the Australian animation industry. If you have any news you would
> like included in this newsletter, or you would like to contribute
> please let me know. Hopefully we can get some flash animation
> included??  anyone? :)
>
> My first question to the list is: what do you think is the state of
> the aussie animation industry?  My view on leaving film school was
> that it is very secular and secretive, that was part of the reason
> for starting this list. Am I wrong? Please let me know what you
think
> and while you are at it let us know who you are and what you are
> working on.
>
> Thanks everyone for joining this list.
>
> Cheers
>
> Neil Hughes
> Moderator.

How about a Flash Tips section?
Would that be a goer? Perhaps a Q and A. Or maybe could just be a
part of the group?
Also gear to buy and sell.

sparx-ola

--- In Ozanimation@y..., "leeroystuff" <steve@m...> wrote:
> Hi Neil,
>
> I have a review of Toon Boom Studio that I did for Desktop
> magazine a couple of months ago that you can have for the
> newsletter. Let me know
>
> Steve
> Mad Cow Pictures
>
>
> --- In Ozanimation@y..., "neilhdoghouse" <neilh@a...> wrote:
> > G'day everyone,
> >
> > I'm working on putting the first newsletter together for the
> > Ozanimation group, calling in favours, exploiting friends, bribes
> > etc. etc. :)  The first issue may be a bit Melbourne focussed
> however
> > if anyone on the list would like to contribute in anyway with
> > artwork,news,job opportunites,book or film reviews or articles
> please
> > let me know.
> >
> > Also maybe we should have a name for the newsletter
> Ozanimation?
> > Any suggestions? if we get a few suggestions we can vote for
> the best.
> > If this list grows maybe in the future this newsletter may take
> the
> > form of an actual publication who knows? :)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Neil
> > moderator Ozanimation

Hi Neil,

I have a review of Toon Boom Studio that I did for Desktop
magazine a couple of months ago that you can have for the
newsletter. Let me know

Steve
Mad Cow Pictures


--- In Ozanimation@y..., "neilhdoghouse" <neilh@a...> wrote:
> G'day everyone,
>
> I'm working on putting the first newsletter together for the
> Ozanimation group, calling in favours, exploiting friends, bribes
> etc. etc. :)  The first issue may be a bit Melbourne focussed
however
> if anyone on the list would like to contribute in anyway with
> artwork,news,job opportunites,book or film reviews or articles
please
> let me know.
>
> Also maybe we should have a name for the newsletter
Ozanimation?
> Any suggestions? if we get a few suggestions we can vote for
the best.
> If this list grows maybe in the future this newsletter may take
the
> form of an actual publication who knows? :)
>
> Cheers
> Neil
> moderator Ozanimation

Hey there Lili

Thanks for response.

I'll email you separately too.

I'm in the mountains. Can get to Sydney if I must!!
Would be good to be in touch with this wunderkind lightbox builder.
Unless it's Gerden (or similar name, ex-Energee) who says he only
does bulk builds, not worth it to do singles.

Might be interested in two uinits (or inuits) if not too expensive.

I may have an old peg bar floating around the place. Got it from an
industrial unit up at Dee Why yonks ago.

Hi Neil too.
Good luck with your first newsletter. I'm sure you'll do a killer job.

I've made a section on my own website for something similar. Just a
chance to rave on about stuff when I can find the time.
Will let you know when the first thing - a tribute to Dusan Marek -
comes up to being finished. Have a few contributors helping me with
this project. He's a Czech Surrealist painter and filmmaker
who "taught" us filmmaking and animation. Mainly through his
approach - the way to learn to make films is to make films.

sparx-ola



--- In Ozanimation@y..., "lili_cfw" <lili@f...> wrote:
>  > At Disney's years ago there were some good-looking black plastic
> > disks with movable peg bars top and bottom. Can be had from the
> > States.
> >
> > Anyone know of local suppliers for these or other decent machines?
> > Ideally would like a portable beast.
>
> Hi Lorraine,
>
> You can't buy them in this country, but if you are in Sydney, I
know
> someone who builds them. Really simple and functional -
> basically a round piece of perspex (which you can easily turn)
which
> sits on an adjustable wooden frame. Not swish like the black ones
> you mentioned - but they do the job. You would have to order the
peg
> bar from the States though, (try http://www.cartooncolor.com) and
> stick it on the perspex and also buy your own light.
>
> Are you in Sydney? Send me an e-mail and I'll give you the contact
> details of this person who makes them.
>
> Lili:)

Dear all,

How are you?

I've no experience in the industry, having only recently completed the VCA
course, and discovered my passion for the medium. I'm interested primarily
in trying to get challenging content up there, and experiment with the
medium.  I also need paid work, but have no idea as to the sorts of pay I
should be asking for in the event of getting work.  Could anyone advise me
on this?

Also, if you get a chance to see my work you'll notice that it is explicitly
political (almost editorial) in nature.  It's called "Shh.".  You'll also
notice the extremely low production values.  I'm sure not all of you will
like it, and I can't look at the film now, but I am certain that it is a
statement of where I want to be going with my work creatively. That is I
need social comment combined with a degree of crassness and humour.  For me
that is the freedom of images, you are not constrained by words which are
contested territory, and have too much, how can I express it: "baggage"
attached.  You have to be, I guess, more "responsible" with words, and in
doing so, it is hard to break barriers in people's minds. That said, the
benefit of a cartoon image over a photographic one, is that it is explicitly
fabricated and implicitly not serious or even powerful.  And that is exactly
the power of the medium.

Many of you will get spooked as soon as the word "political" or "social
comment" are extended.  Words like "worthy", "didactic", "earnest" "boring",
"shrill" etc. may spring to mind.  Indeed scripts for political pieces look
harsh and overly serious, but actually when you see the images, they somehow
become entertaining, funny and even nourishing.  I think audiences have a
real thirst for social comment (explicit) in their animation.  Films like
those of Andrew Horne interpreting Leunig's editorial cartoons are
demonstrating that audiences love this stuff, and want more of it.  It is
therefore up to us in the creative department of the animation industry to
inject more of this political cheer into our work.  I certainly have this as
one of my aims in subsequent films.

I'm extremely keen to hear what you all think.  Where do you think the
medium needs to be headed?  What sorts of stuff do you get excited by?
Why?


Love
ADAM
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> At Disney's years ago there were some good-looking black plastic
> disks with movable peg bars top and bottom. Can be had from the
> States.
>
> Anyone know of local suppliers for these or other decent machines?
> Ideally would like a portable beast.

Hi Lorraine,

You can't buy them in this country, but if you are in Sydney, I know
someone who builds them. Really simple and functional -
basically a round piece of perspex (which you can easily turn) which
sits on an adjustable wooden frame. Not swish like the black ones
you mentioned - but they do the job. You would have to order the peg
bar from the States though, (try http://www.cartooncolor.com) and
stick it on the perspex and also buy your own light.

Are you in Sydney? Send me an e-mail and I'll give you the contact
details of this person who makes them.

Lili:)

Hi guys & gals :)

Just wondering who's thinking of going to the Melbourne International
Animation Film Festival this month? It starts June 25th I think?

It would be good to meet some of the people on this list I don't know
( Did someone say networking??? :) )


Cheers
Neil
moderator Ozanimation

G'day everyone,

I'm working on putting the first newsletter together for the
Ozanimation group, calling in favours, exploiting friends, bribes
etc. etc. :)  The first issue may be a bit Melbourne focussed however
if anyone on the list would like to contribute in anyway with
artwork,news,job opportunites,book or film reviews or articles please
let me know.

Also maybe we should have a name for the newsletter Ozanimation?
Any suggestions? if we get a few suggestions we can vote for the best.
If this list grows maybe in the future this newsletter may take the
form of an actual publication who knows? :)

Cheers
Neil
moderator Ozanimation

Dear Neil Doggiehouse

Received an email about this group via someone contacting me using my
email link on the Production Book online. Thanks for letting me know
about the group whoever sent it!
Goodonya for getting the group going.

I'd like to make a contribution to the threads, but it's late right
now. Just wanted to throw in a request for help finding a decent
light box without having to build it myself.

At Disney's years ago there were some good-looking black plastic
disks with movable peg bars top and bottom. Can be had from the
States.

Anyone know of local suppliers for these or other decent machines?
Ideally would like a portable beast.

btw I've already benefitted from Lili's tip re Adobe Streamline.
Something to translate existing art/drawings to vectors for use in
Flash MX.

Can be done in Illustrator too? Is that right?
Have been trying to do it using the Trace Bitmap feature - results
not great to date. Thought it might just need more tries?? Or is this
an area that Macromedia can work on for the next upgrade??

hope to hear soon re them lighboxes!
best wishes
sparx-ola

Lorraine B
Park City Media



--- In Ozanimation@y..., "neilhdoghouse" <neilh@a...> wrote:
> Welcome to the Australian Animators Group.
> I Hope this list will help broaden the animation network
> in Australia for professionals and amatuers alike. Please feel free
> to let anyone you know involved or interested in Animation in
> Australia about this list.
>
> This list is for Job postings, news, questions and answers and
> opinions of the aussie animation industry.
>
> I intend to write a bimonthly email newsletter on what's happening
in
> the Australian animation industry. If you have any news you would
> like included in this newsletter, or you would like to contribute
> please let me know. Hopefully we can get some flash animation
> included??  anyone? :)
>
> My first question to the list is: what do you think is the state of
> the aussie animation industry?  My view on leaving film school was
> that it is very secular and secretive, that was part of the reason
> for starting this list. Am I wrong? Please let me know what you
think
> and while you are at it let us know who you are and what you are
> working on.
>
> Thanks everyone for joining this list.
>
> Cheers
>
> Neil Hughes
> Moderator.

Hi all.

I've just joined and wanted to say G'day.

D Knight

Yep! we sure make models and can do small runs of figurines. It would
be best to send some graphics of your figures so I can get an idea of
size, complexity etc to give you a quote. If you want to email me
directly its bunyanfilms@...
Antony
>
> Hi Antony,
>
> I'm all for more people taking advantage of Flash. It's amazing how
> slow the traditional industry is, to embracing Flash in this country.
> I am wondering - besides selling casting/moulding products, do you
> also do model-making?
> I am very interested in getting "figurines" of some of our characters
> made - more as a promotional, side thing.
>
> I can do the sculpting but it has been a very very long time since
> I've done any mould-making/casting. Am curious to know how to go
> about this, how much it would cost, etc if I ever find the time to
> get into this area. Any ideas?
>
> -Lili

>As well as exporting our culture, we're
exporting our jobs.The end result of all this progress and economic
rationalism is that many of the traditional routes that aspiring
Australian animators used to be able to take into the industry (ink
and paint, inbetweening etc.) are being removed; which in time will
further erode the pool of experienced animators in this country. Am I
being too gloomy in my assessment of the future? Let me know what you
think.

Hi cinemagic,

This is exactly what's happening to the 2D industry. Soon we will no
longer have a talent pool of experienced animators, clean-up artists,
inbetweeners who can be relied on for long-format series work.

But that said, I think there IS hope for the Australian industry to
be regarded more seriously in the 2D animation  world. Maybe no
longer as a country of "servicing studios" (now taken over by China,
Korea etc) but as a Creators/Producers of new properties. In the last
two years, Kapow Pictures and Fwak! Animation (two small Sydney 2D
studios) have come up with original animated shows ("Yakkity Yak"
and "Mucha Lucha") which will soon be broadcast on
US/Canadian/UK/Australian TV. Maybe, hopefully, this will raise our
overall profile in the 2D scene.

So maybe one day Australians can be recognised for shows other
than 'The Magic Pudding' and 'Blinky Bill'...(thank god)This is me
being optimistic :)

lili

Hiya,

It's refreshing to find a list that takes in all forms of animation, and
an Aussie one to boot.

I'll do a little introduction first.
Geoff Suttor, Aussie, 30, Working as a CG character animator in London.
I've been working professionally for 9 years, mainly in Brisbane and the
last 2 here in London (with a little stint in Annecy France)
Been learning animation since I was in year 8 at school, I think it was
the illusion I had of Max Headroom being computer animated (of course he
was just a man with makeup) combined with the movie's Tron and the 'Last
Star Fighter' as well as a TV series on CG animation narrated by John
Halas and I was hooked for life.

> My first question to the list is: what do you think is the state of
> the aussie animation industry?  My view on leaving film school was
> that it is very secular and secretive, that was part of the reason
> for starting this list.

Australia in general produces (mostly) really high quality work in all
forms of animation, although I can only really comment on the CG side of
things. The Australia & New Zealand industry is under rated. Our
position on the globe 'down under and the opposite side' has been a
barrier to a lot of co-development from the UK or US. We are in a real
shit of a time zone for working and communication with them both.
Luckily our weak dollar is an attractive incentive and I think we are
finally gaining presence on the international stage. Lord of the rings,
The Matrix and the like are turning heads.
I realise this is not quite the same for 2D as the cheaper labour force
in Asia draws the work there in that case.

On that note, I have high hopes for any traditional animator out there
currently working in 2D or Stop motion. My experience with these guys is
always positive. Here at Passion Pictures I have seen 2D and especially
stop motion guys jump on to computer animation start producing within
days. As long as the rigs provided allow for intuitive control of the
computer puppet they are miles ahead at the start. The technical issues
handled by... well.. tech guys. The years of experience really show
through instantly.

Unlike traditional animation, aussie CG character animation is in it's
infancy (note: I'm not talking about effects animation), we have great
animators from all mediums, we could do a Shrek or Monsters Inc., we
just need the credibility and leadership to make it work.

As for being secular and secretive, I think in protecting clients yes,
but as a whole lists like this one and the DLF http://www.dlf.org.au are
very open and willing to share information. Only thing that still
irrates me about the CG animation industry in general is the snobbiness
about software, tools DO NOT make the animator.

Cheers,
Geoff Suttor.

Lili,

Thanks heaps.

ADAM
xxx


>From: "Lili Chin" <lili@...>
>Reply-To: Ozanimation@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Ozanimation@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [Ozanimation] Digest Number 4
>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:40:17 +1000
>
>
> > I was wondering if you had some ideas me about what kind of (affordable)
> > software, and hardware you think I'll need to be looking at to do such a
> > project.
>
>Hi Adam,
>
>My experience has only been with Animo (Cambridge) at previous studios I've
>worked at.  You're right that programs like Animo and Toonboom aren't
>really
>affordable. Some other 2D programs that come to mind are "Digicel", "CTP"
>and "Retas". I have a feeling that Digicel might be suitable for what you
>want to do, and it's targeted more at individuals than at studios...try
>http://www.digicelinc.com/
>
>Here we're doing everything with Flash. It's a slightly different process -
>we're "cleaning-up" in Flash, as opposed to on paper; and we're aiming for
>a
>"vector-ish" look. But you can also scan your pencil drawings and batch
>vectorise them with Adobe Streamline, before importing into Flash...if you
>want to stay closer to the original pencil artwork.
>
>Good Luck!
>
>Lili
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi Neil;
It's good to see an online forum where ideas, news and opportunities
can be exchanged.
I've been in animation for over forty years, and the local 2D scene
is going through a quantum shift in terms of production - and not for
the better.
The main problem is that large segments of TV series production are
being farmed out off-shore to China, Vietnam and the Phillipines
because it's cheaper. The producers will tell you that it's because
they can't get experienced staff, but of course that is not true;
it's a purely commercial decision.
Even The Magic Pudding feature; an Australian icon, was totally
animated in the Phillipines; while Blinky Bill, that other childhood
icon, is animated in China. As well as exporting our culture, we're
exporting our jobs.
The end result of all this progress and economic rationalism is that
many of the traditional routes that aspiring Australian animators
used to be able to take into the industry (ink and paint,
inbetweening etc.) are being removed; which in time will further
erode the pool of experienced animators in this country.
Am I being too gloomy in my assessment of the future? Let me know
what you think.

> I was wondering if you had some ideas me about what kind of (affordable)
> software, and hardware you think I'll need to be looking at to do such a
> project.

Hi Adam,

My experience has only been with Animo (Cambridge) at previous studios I've
worked at.  You're right that programs like Animo and Toonboom aren't really
affordable. Some other 2D programs that come to mind are "Digicel", "CTP"
and "Retas". I have a feeling that Digicel might be suitable for what you
want to do, and it's targeted more at individuals than at studios...try
http://www.digicelinc.com/

Here we're doing everything with Flash. It's a slightly different process -
we're "cleaning-up" in Flash, as opposed to on paper; and we're aiming for a
"vector-ish" look. But you can also scan your pencil drawings and batch
vectorise them with Adobe Streamline, before importing into Flash...if you
want to stay closer to the original pencil artwork.

Good Luck!

Lili

Hi Lili,

My name is Adam Robb, I've recently done the VCA postgrad course with my
major film being a 2D frame by frame drawn piece..  Drawing is really my
thing, but I am interested in the potential for combining 3D computer stuff
with handdrawn stuff to achieve a certain look for my next film.  I have
recently been at the Annecy International Film Festival, where they were
showcasing expensive equipment under then name "Animo Cambridge Animation
Systems" and "ToonBoom US Animation".  They were way out of my price range,
but for the kind of work I wand to be producing, I really want to be working
with something that can handle bitmaps as opposed to only vectors (which
these big studio programs can do) to maintain the "drawn" quality.  It is my
understanding that Flash only deals in vectors, and though I've seen some
impressive stuff done with it, it isn't the look I want for my next film.

I was wondering if you had some ideas me about what kind of (affordable)
software, and hardware you think I'll need to be looking at to do such a
project.

Also, I would be most excited about putting myself at the service of your
studio, if you should ever need me that is. Would you like a copy of my
graduate film?

Look forward to hearing from you

ADAM ROBB




>From: "lili_cfw" <lili@...>
>Reply-To: Ozanimation@yahoogroups.com
>To: Ozanimation@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Ozanimation] about model-making
>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:44:28 -0000
>
> > We work a great deal in Flash but
> > also do traditional 2D, stopmotion and Lightwave animations. I also
> > sell casting and moulding products suitable for all sorts of
>effects,
> > sceanery, and puppets.I hope this group does well.
> > Antony Bunyan
>
>Hi Antony,
>
>I'm all for more people taking advantage of Flash. It's amazing how
>slow the traditional industry is, to embracing Flash in this country.
>I am wondering - besides selling casting/moulding products, do you
>also do model-making?
>I am very interested in getting "figurines" of some of our characters
>made - more as a promotional, side thing.
>
>I can do the sculpting but it has been a very very long time since
>I've done any mould-making/casting. Am curious to know how to go
>about this, how much it would cost, etc if I ever find the time to
>get into this area. Any ideas?
>
>-Lili
>
>
>




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> We work a great deal in Flash but
> also do traditional 2D, stopmotion and Lightwave animations. I also
> sell casting and moulding products suitable for all sorts of
effects,
> sceanery, and puppets.I hope this group does well.
> Antony Bunyan

Hi Antony,

I'm all for more people taking advantage of Flash. It's amazing how
slow the traditional industry is, to embracing Flash in this country.
I am wondering - besides selling casting/moulding products, do you
also do model-making?
I am very interested in getting "figurines" of some of our characters
made - more as a promotional, side thing.

I can do the sculpting but it has been a very very long time since
I've done any mould-making/casting. Am curious to know how to go
about this, how much it would cost, etc if I ever find the time to
get into this area. Any ideas?

-Lili

> Hey if you are a flash animator you should email me some stuff and
I can put it up on the home page.

Well, I would, but the Flash files are kinda huge.... :)
You can check out my work at the Fwak! website
http://www.fwakanimation.com.au

> As for my view that it was secular and secretive. It probably was a
tad strong, but I got the impression that new animators were maybe
not welcome from the more established studios.

My view on this is possibly due to there not being much work around
at the moment. I don't know about Melbourne but the Sydney scene is
pretty slow at the moment. The traditional 2D industry is also
mostly freelance animators, so there's the competition factor.

> maybe the CG industry is more accomodating than other traditional
animation forms??

It appears that as far as commercial work goes, this is where CG is
where it's all happening... Just look at all those 3D ads on tv.

If stop-motion is your thing, have you tried Flying Gherkin? I
believe they're in Melbourne.

- Lili :)

Hi Neil
I'm a NSW based animator. My business is Bunyan Films and we mostly
make TV ads, effects and graphics. We work a great deal in Flash but
also do traditional 2D, stopmotion and Lightwave animations. I also
sell casting and moulding products suitable for all sorts of effects,
sceanery, and puppets.I hope this group does well.
Antony Bunyan
http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~bunyanfilms/

Hi Lili welcome to the list :)

Hey if you are a flash animator you should email me some stuff and I can put
it up
on the home page.

As for my view that it was secular and secretive. It probably was a tad
strong, but I got the impression that
new animators were maybe not welcome from the more established studios. Last
year was a hard year for studios with
not much ad work around so anymore competition was maybe not welcome.
Also coming from film school (VCA) there wasn't a lot of contact with the
industry besides a few independant speakers.
This might be different at AFTRS or QLD. It also could be more genre
focussed, maybe the CG industry is more accomodating
than other traditional animation forms??

Also the surprising fact that there wasn't a mailing list or group
organization of animators already exisiting.
I know the ASDA exists but some people probably don't want to pay for
membership.

I am hoping I am very wrong on all these points and would welcome anyone
else's view.

Neil

----- Original Message -----
From: lili_cfw <lili@...>
To: <Ozanimation@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: [Ozanimation] Hi Neil, ...a brief introduction


> Hi Neil,
>
> Swa your post at the awn.com forums and I wish you well in building
> an online community for australian animators.
>
> I notice so far that there are mostly 3d/stopmotion animators here.
> Any 2D animators?
>
> I am a 2D/traditional/Flash animator - run a small studio in Sydney
> where we are mainly creating original characters/stories; with view
> to pitching at TV broadcasters, obtaining funding so we can produce
> these shows. But more often than not, we're animating our own shows
> anyway...labour of love, that this is :)
>
> Your impression of the animation industry is that it is "very secular
> and secretive". How?
>
> LC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Ozanimation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Hi Neil,

Swa your post at the awn.com forums and I wish you well in building
an online community for australian animators.

I notice so far that there are mostly 3d/stopmotion animators here.
Any 2D animators?

I am a 2D/traditional/Flash animator - run a small studio in Sydney
where we are mainly creating original characters/stories; with view
to pitching at TV broadcasters, obtaining funding so we can produce
these shows. But more often than not, we're animating our own shows
anyway...labour of love, that this is :)

Your impression of the animation industry is that it is "very secular
and secretive". How?

LC

A little about me.

I'm a animator based in Melbourne. I specialize in Stopmotion
animation and I am currently learning 3D Studio Max as well.
Last year I completed the Graduate Diploma in Film & Television
(animation) at the Victorian College of the Arts and I am currently
working on a commercial at a Melbourne stopmotion studio.

My graduate film "Metal World" recently screened at the St Kilda Film
Festival.

I have been doing animation for the last 5 -6 years as a hobby which
progressed to a career change.

Well that's me:) We have had some new members recently, please let us
know who you are and what you are doing in animation.

Cheers

Neil Hughes
Moderator

We use LW a lot. For TV animation it's got everything we need. No need
to get all those expensive plugins
Tony
Bunyanflims
http://www.shoalhaven.net.au/~bunyanfilms/


--- In Ozanimation@y..., "Peter Thomas" <t4d@o...> wrote:
> My first question to the list is:
> what do you think is the state of the aussie animation industry?
>
> ME.....I have No idea LOL =)
>
> I'm a Guitar playing, Architechial Draftsman
> who fell in love with 3D animation to 3 years ago LOL !!!
> Now all i do is sit infront of this bloody computer
> all day & night ............. =)
>
> I'm working full time using lightwave
> for a small MM company ( which is very cool =)
>
> but wonder is there an industry out there for a Lw user
> or just a computer animator or even that !! ????
> hollywood uses Maya what do we use ?
>
> who's using lightwave ??
> is it mostly freelancers and "small" companys ..?
> Should i go all out and buy SXI !! ?? hmm now that would be cool =\
>
> help i'm freaking myself OUT AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> anyway hope this list gets going it's a cool Idea =)
>
> MOst JOy
> PT
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: neilhdoghouse

To: Ozanimation@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 7:31 PM

Subject: [Ozanimation] Welcome to the Oz animation list.

Welcome to the Australian Animators Group.
I Hope this list will help broaden the animation network
in Australia for professionals and amatuers alike. Please feel free
to let anyone you know involved or interested in Animation in
Australia about this list.

This list is for Job postings, news, questions and answers and
opinions of the aussie animation industry.

I intend to write a bimonthly email newsletter on what's happening in
the Australian animation industry. If you have any news you would
like included in this newsletter, or you would like to contribute
please let me know. Hopefully we can get some flash animation
included??  anyone? :)

My first question to the list is: what do you think is the state of
the aussie animation industry?  My view on leaving film school was
that it is very secular and secretive, that was part of the reason
for starting this list. Am I wrong? Please let me know what you think
and while you are at it let us know who you are and what you are
working on.

Thanks everyone for joining this list.

Cheers

Neil Hughes
Moderator.









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Welcome to the Australian Animators Group.
I Hope this list will help broaden the animation network
in Australia for professionals and amatuers alike. Please feel free
to let anyone you know involved or interested in Animation in
Australia about this list.

This list is for Job postings, news, questions and answers and
opinions of the aussie animation industry.

I intend to write a bimonthly email newsletter on what's happening in
the Australian animation industry. If you have any news you would
like included in this newsletter, or you would like to contribute
please let me know. Hopefully we can get some flash animation
included??  anyone? :)

My first question to the list is: what do you think is the state of
the aussie animation industry?  My view on leaving film school was
that it is very secular and secretive, that was part of the reason
for starting this list. Am I wrong? Please let me know what you think
and while you are at it let us know who you are and what you are
working on.

Thanks everyone for joining this list.

Cheers

Neil Hughes
Moderator.