Just to let everyone know ... Master Gregory Blount, from Atlantia, will
probably be visiting Caerthen Dance Practice in December.  He is the person
responsible for the SCA Music and Dance pages on the web, as well as the
Dance Cheat Sheets.  He is also the person who sells the inexpensive dance
CDs (most $3) over the Internet.  Anyone who can make it is encouraged to
show up and (hopefully) learn some new dances!

And a reminder ... Caerthen Dance Practice resumes the first Thursday in
December ...

Arwen

Hello,

My name is Marbo Giannaccini, 62, I am brazilian and I live in Brasilia, DF.
Now I direct the Goldoni Theatre and my plan is create a Renaissance Dance
Group to play the italian renaissance dances.
My email is marbo@... and I am at your service.

Greetings

Greetings unto the Outlands Dancing community from Guillaume de Gonzac, part
time leader of dance in the fair Barony of Caerthe.

      A few weeks ago on the SCA-Dance list Lady Ambrosia from Nordskogen
asked "which 12 dances should _every_ SCA gentle know?"  The context was:

> For many (read about 14) years, Northshield has had a Dance event, even
> before it was Northshield. Each year as instructors are sought, they are
> asked a question which I would pose to the dance community as a whole:
>
> Which 12 dances should _every_ SCA gentle know?
>
> Usually, the question is narrowed down to the Middle Kingdom, but for this
I
> am interested in including the whole SCA.
>
> I am also curious as to _why_ you would choose those particular dances.

      I would like to ask what 12 dances do you think every dancer in the
Outlands should know and why?  After we've seen some of the ideas from other
Outlanders, I will post my own list and a summary of the results from the
SCA list.

Keith / Guillaume

not sure if i can come up with 12, but:

hole in the wall
sellinger's round
gathering peascods
black nag
single bransle
double bransle
burgundian bransle
horse's bransle
maltese bransle
belle qui pavanne
earl of salisbury's pavanne

yes, i know that the earl of salisbury is modern and hole in the wall is
very late.

elaina

On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Swashbuckler wrote:

> Greetings unto the Outlands Dancing community from Guillaume de Gonzac, part
> time leader of dance in the fair Barony of Caerthe.
>
>      A few weeks ago on the SCA-Dance list Lady Ambrosia from Nordskogen
> asked "which 12 dances should _every_ SCA gentle know?"  The context was:
>
> > For many (read about 14) years, Northshield has had a Dance event, even
> > before it was Northshield. Each year as instructors are sought, they are
> > asked a question which I would pose to the dance community as a whole:
> >
> > Which 12 dances should _every_ SCA gentle know?
> >
> > Usually, the question is narrowed down to the Middle Kingdom, but for this
> I
> > am interested in including the whole SCA.
> >
> > I am also curious as to _why_ you would choose those particular dances.
>
>      I would like to ask what 12 dances do you think every dancer in the
> Outlands should know and why?  After we've seen some of the ideas from other
> Outlanders, I will post my own list and a summary of the results from the
> SCA list.
>
> Keith / Guillaume
>

At 11:41 AM 12/31/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> Which 12 dances should _every_ SCA gentle know?

Well, in my opinion, there should be ...

A couple of the early Italian dances:

1. Petit Riens (the hot "new" dance hit here in Caerthe)
2. Gelosia (lots of fun flirting)

At least one Burgundian basse dance

3. Casulle la Nouelle (very graceful and pretty to watch)

A few things from Arbeau (because once you know a few, you can learn the
rest pretty quickly):
4. Bransle Charlotte
5. Either Pease or Horses Bransle
6. Carolingian Pavan (Belle Qui)
7. Basic Galliards (Cinq Pas)

A couple of Old Measures:
8. Quadran Pavan
9. Black Alman

And some Playford:
10. Heartsease (another fun flirting dance)
11. Black Nag
12. Gathering Peasecods

Some late Italian dances would be good, too, but I don't know any that well
(yet), so I don't know which would be good for the basic "everyone should
know this" repertoire.

But I think this list covers a pretty wide range of what's out there, and
also has dances suitable for folks of different abilities.  I think the
easiest one on there is Quadran Pavan, which almost anyone could learn in
two minutes or less.  Horses Bransle isn't much harder.  And while there
are also some slightly more challenging dances, so folks won't get bored,
most of these dances can be taught in fifteen minutes or less.  I really
don't think we can expect everyone to know the high-power performance
pieces -- save those for us dance geeks who really wouldn't mind working on
just one really complicated dance for a whole practice. :)

And all of these dances are good building blocks for other dances of their
type.  If you've taught people Black Nag and Gathering Peasecods, they know
much of what they need for any of the "standard" Playford dances: doubles,
siding, arming, heys, the verse-chorus structure.  If they know Petit Riens
and Gelosia, they are familiar with many of the steps used in the early
Italian dances.

Well, that's my tuppence, anyway .............

Arwen

Let's see.  What dances should every Outlander know and why?  I'll try to pick
some of each type of dance and the easiest of those.  Last year, ECDs were the
overall favorite in Dragonsspine.

Heart's Ease (2 couple) A very popular dance because of the heavy flirting.
Some people show up only for this dance and grab anyone in the room for a
partner - so you should know this if you're going to be in the room.  Rufty
Tufty is not nearly as popular - too fast for the flirting.

Black Nag (3 couple) A good mix of complexity and repetition.  It's impressive
with alternating sets, but often leads to "combat black nag".  Jenny Pluck
Pears just isn't as well known.  I like Beggar Boy, but I think it's complex
for a "need to know".

Oranges and Lemons (4 couple) A very slow and elegant dance.  Great demo
piece.  I like it better than Hyde Park, especially when people have long
sleeves for tossing oranges and lemons.

Dargason (4 couple) It's nice for newcomers who can watch for a while as 4th
couple and pick up the steps … unless you're in An Tir where there were a heck
of a lot more steps than we have and I did NOT catch all that as a newcomer.


Sellinger's Round (as many) A nice intro to ECDs and harder to mess up than
Gathering Peascods.  It's a nice "grab and go" dance for demos - you can
usually grab people from the audience and get them up to speed in decent
time.

Female Sailor (as many) A long, active dance. If you don't know it when the
music starts, you'll get it by the time the music ends. I think Juice of
Barley is easier, but I've heard people scream when Female Sailor is
announced.

Belle Qui (as many) The basic pavane steps.  You can use it for a
processional.  Earl of Salisbury is much more interesting, but if you know the
pavane steps, you can pick it up.

Maltese/Official/Horse's Bransle (as many) Yes, 3 bransles, but they're
popular ones.  Look how many ECD's I've got up there.  I think these are good
because they have short stories/descriptions for the dances.  These are also
"grab and go" dances for demos … well, maybe not Official …

Gelosia (3 couple) I like Casuelle better, but more people know Gelosia.
Casuelle feels like water.   Gelosia's easier on the girls than on the guys.
Good demo piece.

Hole in the Wall (as many) Oh, the ever-popular, never-ending, non-period
dance.  I think this is supposed to be the #1 need-to-know dance for the
entire SCA.

Shouldn't be included in the list above, but I like them:
Whirligig and Verceppi - It's fun when everyone knows what they're doing!  We
almost had a demo set going …

Cetharyne (Karen Jordan)
Dragonsspine/Tygre's Keep, Outlands

P.S.  No, I didn't pick Black Alman!

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>Just had an e-mail from Gregory Blount, from Atlantia, and things look
hopeful for his attendance at Caerthen Dance Practice this week.  I will
let you know if this changes.
>
>We will be at the University Hills library this week.
>
>Please note that there is no Caerthen Dance Practice *next* week, and that
the following two weeks, we will be at the Park Hill library.  Please
e-mail me or check out the group files area at www.onelist.com for directions.
>
>Hope to see you soon!
>Arwen

sorry but kay and i will not be able to make it.  we had hoped to.  give
gregory our best, and if he has a handful of cds for us, please take them
into custody and pass them on when you see us.

elaina

On Tue, 4 Jan 2000, Sheila McClune wrote:

> From: Sheila McClune <smcclune@...>
>
>
> >Just had an e-mail from Gregory Blount, from Atlantia, and things look
> hopeful for his attendance at Caerthen Dance Practice this week.  I will
> let you know if this changes.
> >
> >We will be at the University Hills library this week.
> >
> >Please note that there is no Caerthen Dance Practice *next* week, and that
> the following two weeks, we will be at the Park Hill library.  Please
> e-mail me or check out the group files area at www.onelist.com for directions.
> >
> >Hope to see you soon!
> >Arwen
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>

Still hoping for more input from others (maybe the holidays were a bad
time), here's my list of twelve dances everyone should know:

Petit Riens - lots of fun, 15th century Italian chasing dance.  Easy to
learn
       and still fun for the experienced dancer, and a fun introduction to
       Italian dances.  Did I mention that its fun, too?

Rostiboli Gioioso - A basic 15th century Italian Ballo.  Do one, others will
be
       easier to learn.  A slower chasing dance, this is sexy and fun.

Il Piantone - A very easy, fun 16th century Italian dance.  Any other 16c's?

Galliards (cinq pas & a variation or two) - THE dance for all of Renaissance

       Europe.  Period aerobics, the galliard looks great, leads to
variations
       like La Volta, and makes everything else seem easy.  Besides, they're
fun.

"Carolingian" Pavan (Belle Qui Tiens Ma Vie) - OK, its a modern
interpretaion,
       but its more fun than the basic Pavan in Arbeau and the music is
lovely.

Casuelle la Novelle (or Lauro, Joyoussance, or any bassa danse) - There are
over
       500 bassa danses extant from our period (music and/or steps), how
could we
       not do one?  Besides, they are pretty, easy, and fun.  Again: learn
one,
       and your ready for them all.

Bransle Montarde - Half of Arbeau is bransles.  We need a mixed bransle, and
its
       interesting and fun.

Bransle des Pois (Pease) - A cute mimed bransle, easy and fun.

Black Almain - Have to have an Old Measure.  This is as difficult as they
come,
       and its still a good, fun beginner's dance.

Gathering Peascods - A rousing, fun English country dance for as many as
will.

Rufty Tufty - A fun English country dance for two couples.

Black Nag - Ever popular basic English country dance.  This one is fun too.

      These are basic dances taken from 15th and 16th century Italian, 16th
century Burgundian, French, and English (Old Measures), and early English
Country (1651) sources.  Black Nag is 3rd edition Playford, but is
archtypical of three couple English County Dances.  Substitute Upon A
Summer's Day or the more challenging Picking Up Sticks and you stay with
first edition Playford.  The "Carolingian" pavan is a modern interpretation
of period pavans done to beautiful period pavan music (because the period
pavans seem exceedingly boring when your references are Arbeau and the
Quadran Pavan).  Remove the ornamentation and you have a period pavan.

      All of these dances are fun.  All are period or very like period
dances.  Once a dancer has accomplished any of these, many dances in the
same genre will be easier and less intimidating.  These dances cover every
major area of readily available historical dance.  If all are known, a
dancer will be well positioned to learn almost any new dance.

      I would like another 16th century Italian for the list, and will
eventualy want one from the Gresley manuscript (which is too cutting edge
for us just now).  Meanwhile, the Outlands can do well with the dances
listed above.

      Note that these are good dances for everyone to know because they are
fun, cover a broad range of styles, and are not difficult.  That said, there
are a couple that I have only done a few of times - and my new addition, Il
Piantone, I've only done once (but it's sooooo easy).  I think this is a
good (basic) list of what 'everyone' 'should' know.  Also, there can be no
final, ultimate list - this is just a starting place for thought and is
subject to constant review.

      This short list is for the casual dancer.  Those of us especially
interested in dancing will want to learn many more dances, particularly in
our favorite styles.  The list above can still serve as a reminder of the
range of historical dance embraced by the SCA.

      Up next:  some excerpts from the sca-dance list top 12 discussion.

Keith / Guillaume

-----Original Message-----
From: Swashbuckler [mailto:swashbuckler@...]

      I would like to ask what 12 dances do you think every dancer in the
Outlands should know and why?  After we've seen some of the ideas from other
Outlanders, I will post my own list and a summary of the results from the
SCA list.

Keith / Guillaume

Hi there:

      About three weeks ago, I asked "what 12 dances do you think every
dancer in the Outlands should know and why?"  The question was posted on the
sca-dance list last year and I was curious what the results would be here in
the Outlands.

      Also, while preparing for Caerthen Twelfth Night, The Honorable Lady
Caelainn (leader of our fine musicians) asked me to list the top 20 dances
in the Outlands.  She wanted to prepare sheet music to take with her to
every event so she would always have our most requested pieces.  Not quite
the same question, but similar.  As it happens, Caelainn ended up with more
than 20 and is willing to add more if needed.

      So what dances should everyone know?  No definitive answer is possible.

This is an exercise to evaluate and share where we are, where we want to
go, and how we view dance in the SCA.  I know my list has changed just in
the last year, and I expect it will in the future.

      I counted eleven people who responded on the sca-dance list.  Between
them, they named 65 dances.  One did responded with only eight:  galliard,
the sink-a-pace, the gagliarda, the cinque-pas, the tourdion, the gagliard,
tordglione, and tordion with the comment "If you can do these, you can fake
your way through anything :-)".  Yes, these are all essentially the same and
I counted them as one dance.  Most, however, responded with a variety of
dances.  They reasoned that everyone "should" know a basic dance in each of
the styles appropriate to the SCA's period.  Then it would be easier to
learn any new dances that are encountered.  It was noted that "should" does
not mean "does".  This is more like an ideal to be sought even if never
fully achieved.

      17 of the dances named were Italian, 16 English Country from Playford,
13 French from Arbeau (although two were suites of four, which totals 18
French [one duplicate] - not counting the pavan or basse dance), 6 were
Basse Dances, 5 Old Measures, and 3 Pavans (plus 5 others, if you're
counting, including a wish for a Gresley dance).  29 dances were mentioned
more than once.  I tallied the "votes", allowing one vote for each dance in
each list, but counting only half a vote for each dance that shared a spot
(i.e. "Grimstock (or Black Nag)" each got 1/2).  So, from the sca-dance
list, "what 12 dances should every SCA gentle know?":

Petit Vriens (8 votes)
Rostibolli Gioioso (6.5)
Galliards & La Volta, Tourdion (6.5)
Gathering Peascods (5 plus two 1/2's)
Ballo del Fiore (6)
Black Alman (6)
Branles Official (5.5)
Black Nag (3 plus two 1/2's)
Rufty Tufty (4)
Horses Bransle (4)
Gelosia (3.5)
Sellingers Round (3.5)

      That's three 15th c. Italians, Galliards (everyone did them), four
English Country dances, one 16th c. Italian, one Old Measure, and two
Bransles.  Except for Basse Dances and/or Pavans (no single favorite tops
the list), a pretty decent sampling of period dance styles.  Note that the
top seven dances were all mentioned by at least half of the respondents.

      I've done eleven of these and we've taught ten of them at Caerthen
practice.  Not bad.  I've also done nine (and we've taught eighth) of the
next twelve (plus Charlotte from "A bransle suite (cassandra, pinagay,
charlotte, and aridan...)").  Of course these are well known, and I've been
around some, so I "should" have seen them before.  In fact, as I go down the
list, I've never even heard of some of the less mentioned dances.  That's
regional variation for you.

      Few out of period dances were mentioned.  "Hole in the Head...er..umm..
Wall" got one vote plus a "just seeing if you're paying attention" that was
changed to Earl of Salisbury Pavan (a modern ornamentation of Quadran
Pavan).  That doesn't mean that nobody in the Known World does out of period
dances, just that the respondents to this question wish everyone also knew
these period dances.

      We are, of course, under no obligation to follow anyone's lists, but I
think its good to see what people in other kingdoms consider important.  We
can keep this in mind when practicing dances for inter kingdom events like
Estrella, Gulf Wars, or Pennsic.

      Moving on to the Outlands-dance list, we only had four responses to my
question (including my own).  Proportionally, I think that's better than the
SCA-dance list.  But we came up with 30 dances plus two non-beginners
favorites (Whirligig and Verceppe - I agree that they are great dances, once
you know them).  Our top dances:

Black Nag (4 votes)
"Belle Qui" (Carolingian) pavan (4)
Gathering Peascods (3)
Horses Bransle (2.5)
Petit Riens (2)
Gelosia (2)
Galliards/Cinq Pas (2)
Black Alman (2)
Heart's Ease (2)
Maltese Bransle (2)
Hole in the Wall (2)
Sellinger's Round (2)

plus:
Casulle la Nouelle (1.5)
Pease Bransle (1.5)

      With only four data points, I am not comfortable giving much authority
to this list.  Only Caerthe and Dragonsspine are represented, and I know
there are important dance leaders (not to mention active dancers) in Caer
Galen and Unser Hafen.  Al-Barran also has a fledgling but enthusiastic
dance group.  Unfortunately, I am not sure if these groups are represented
on the outlands-dance list.

      Hopefully, this will give everyone something to think about.  Maybe we
can try the exercise again sometime.

Keith / Guillaume

>      About three weeks ago, I asked "what 12 dances
> do you think every
> dancer in the Outlands should know and why?"  The
> question was posted on the
> sca-dance list last year and I was curious what the
> results would be here in
> the Outlands.
>

>      Moving on to the Outlands-dance list, we only
> had four responses to my
> question (including my own).  Proportionally, I
> think that's better than the
> SCA-dance list.  But we came up with 30 dances plus
> two non-beginners
> favorites (Whirligig and Verceppe - I agree that
> they are great dances, once
> you know them).  Our top dances:
>
> Black Nag (4 votes)
> "Belle Qui" (Carolingian) pavan (4)
> Gathering Peascods (3)
> Horses Bransle (2.5)
> Petit Riens (2)
> Gelosia (2)
> Galliards/Cinq Pas (2)
> Black Alman (2)
> Heart's Ease (2)
> Maltese Bransle (2)
> Hole in the Wall (2)
> Sellinger's Round (2)
>
> plus:
> Casulle la Nouelle (1.5)
> Pease Bransle (1.5)
>
>      With only four data points, I am not
> comfortable giving much authority
> to this list.  Only Caerthe and Dragonsspine are
> represented, and I know
> there are important dance leaders (not to mention
> active dancers) in Caer
> Galen and Unser Hafen.  Al-Barran also has a
> fledgling but enthusiastic
> dance group.  Unfortunately, I am not sure if these
> groups are represented
> on the outlands-dance list.
>
While I wouldn't presume to project a couple of exper-
iences on the entire group, I do have to comment that
I've been to a couple of Unser Hafen events that were
dance practices or had a large amount of dance
present;
it was about half and half period and OOP.  The big
favorite that gets done further to the north is
Circle Waltz.  I know that at the Caer Galen Dance
thing where Giles was GoH, we got frequent requests
for OOP stuff by people phrasing it as "When do we
get to do the *fun* dances?"

Also things like Karabushka and Troika.

Berengaria
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Hi there:

      I've noticed with some frustration that some groups favor out of period
dance.  This survey was not meant to discover the most popular dances (I
think the Macarena easily wins), but rather those which each of us wished to
recommend to the group as somehow 'essential'.  That may be the popular
dances, but it doesn't have to be.  In fact, as each group has different
fav's, I would suggest we try not to focus the "should know" list too much
on those.  That's why I suggested a variety of basic dances.  All but two of
mine were period, and those were at least plausibly period.  That this was
also, generally, true of the other lists pleases me.  (Note that the top two
dances, selected by everyone including me, are not technically period.)

      I believe that the SCA is here to research and recreate period
activities as best we can.  As we have plenty of documentation for safe, fun
Renaissance dances, I feel it inappropriate to spend much time on blatantly
out of period dances - there are other groups for that.  Football may be
popular, but it doesn't belong at a baseball game (and both are fun and
popular in their place).

      Some groups, unfamiliar with period dance, seem to fear it.  They like
their regency and modern dances with endless repetitions - they know them,
and if one doesn't know the dance, one will have lots of practice by the end
of one's first try.  By practicing and showing off the period dances I hope
to convince others that these are just as fun, not hard, and at least
equally valid.  Petit Riens seems to be working.

      OK, here's another question for everyone - what are your personal
favorite period dances?

Keith / Guillaume

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanne Stapleton <apiskp@...>

>      About three weeks ago, I asked "what 12 dances
> do you think every dancer in the Outlands should know
> and why?"  The question was posted on the sca-dance
> list last year and I was curious what the results
> would be here in the Outlands.
   <etc.>
>      With only four data points, I am not comfortable
> giving much authority to this list.  Only Caerthe and
> Dragonsspine are represented, and I know there are
> important dance leaders (not to mention active dancers)
> in Caer Galen and Unser Hafen.  Al-Barran also has a
> fledgling but enthusiastic dance group.  Unfortunately,
> I am not sure if these groups are represented on the
> outlands-dance list.
>
While I wouldn't presume to project a couple of exper-
iences on the entire group, I do have to comment that
I've been to a couple of Unser Hafen events that were
dance practices or had a large amount of dance present;
it was about half and half period and OOP.  The big
favorite that gets done further to the north is
Circle Waltz.  I know that at the Caer Galen Dance
thing where Giles was GoH, we got frequent requests
for OOP stuff by people phrasing it as "When do we
get to do the *fun* dances?"

Also things like Karabushka and Troika.

Berengaria

In reply to mail from Arwen Southernwood:

"Please take a moment to post a brief note introducing yourself to everyone else
on the list. It doesn't have to be long -- just your name, where you're from,
and what sorts of dances interest you."

Greetings ;)

I am Dierde, Gypsy, and recently moved to this beautiful kingdom (the lovely
mundane town of Colorado Springs).  I have not been able to be very active with
the society in the past, but hope to change that now, as circumstances are MUCH
more favorable.  I have no experience in dance, but have always appreciated the
skill and sensuality of traditional gypsy dances.  Thank you for the welcome, if
you don't mind, I'll lurk a bit until I learn more!

Dierdre Sybille ... "Seeress of sorrow"

hello All I am Edgar , a year old plaier that started here in the outlands,
my first event was Estrella '99. Im 24 pale as a ghost, i've red hair, green
eyes ussually hair on my chinn and a smile on me face, and some kind of
liquid in my hands. water if the sun is shinning and something stronger if
its not. If you see me somewhere stop me and say hello, Please ? i amost
always can be found wearing a Kilt , regimental, FYI the brease or nothing
at all, feel free to ask if i am , and the brave or courious by all means
are free to check, i dont have a blue ribbon, yet . you have probly seen me
more than once at fighterpractice if you are in al-Barron cause that is
where i happen to lay my head. now for why i am here. Well first and
foremost i drum, and i love to drum, give me a horn of mead or a flagon of
ale and im good from dusk until about 3 hours past midnight, and seccondly i
like to watch the dancers dance.  i can ususally be found where ever there
is drumming or at Kegs End or with the Crimson hord. depending on the size
of the event. but you will allways find me near the drumms.
I look foward to reading this list and meeting many of you readers.

for the Honor of their Excentlies Kragon and Sara and the Glory of the
Outlands,

Edgar MacGreggor
(ray elder)
maryreibel@...
8512 Princess Jeannne
Alb 87112

The juxtaposition of period dance and poisonous plants
is somewhat special...

Bera

--- "~lisa.s" <llsturts@...> wrote:
> To: historicalresearch
> <historicalresearch@onelist.com>
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:59:52 -0500
> From: "~lisa.s" <llsturts@...>
> Reply-to: historicalresearch@onelist.com
> Subject: [HisRes] Two websites
>
> From: "~lisa.s" <llsturts@...>
>
> The following were part of the annotated listings
> from this week's
> Librarians' Index to the Internet. They looks
> interesting and
> informative.
>
>
> Institute of Historical Dance Homepage (IHDP) -
>     http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~vfack/ihdp/
>         Founded by Lieven Baert in Ghent, Belgium in
> 1992,
>         the IHDP's aims are "the research of
> historical dances
>         (from 15th to 19th century) on a scientific
> basis, as well
>         as the practicing and performing the dances
>         themselves." The IHDP Dance Page includes
> links to
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Hi there:

      I've had the IHDP page bookmarked for some months.  Perhaps I should
share some of the sites I've noted over the years (in no particular order):

http://www.cfootmad.com/ - Colorado Friends of Old Time Music and Dance
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/del/index.htm - Del's Dance Book
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/arbeau_images.html - Pictures from Arbeau
http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~andrew/rendance.html - Rendance archive
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/music_and_dance.html - SCA Music and Dance
http://www.e-m-s.com/ - Early Music Shop (London)
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~vfack/ihdp/index.html - IHDP again
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/mjc/www/lod/lod.html - Letter of Dance
http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~del/ddb/music/frburg/index.htm - Del's Dance Disc
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/dihtml/dihome.html - Library of Congress Dance
Instruction Manuals

lost to Link Rot: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jaybc/first.htm
- Capriole site

And for general information:
http://www.renaissance.dm.net/compendium/ - an overview for Elizabethens

or my favorite, Le Poulet Gauche at http://www.lepg.org/ - an overview for
late 16th c. French.

Of course most of these have links to additional site (and each other).

Keith / Guillaume  S:}>

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeanne Stapleton <apiskp@...>

The juxtaposition of period dance and poisonous plants
is somewhat special...

Bera

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Greeting's all,

      In the isolated steppes of the Outlands we don't get a lot of contact
with the coastal kingdoms, but our dance has been heavily influenced by the
teachings of Dr. Brainard.  I lived in Carolingia and its vicinity for
several years, but never had the pleasure of meeting Ingrid.  I do know
Harald and Patri, and can imagine what this means to them.  The historical
dance community has suffered a real loss.

      Dr. Brainard's work included, among other things, the reconstruction of
Verceppe that has made its way to the Outlands (via multiple routes).

Keith / Guillaume

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [SCA-Dance] Sad News
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:51:12 -0500
From: Michael Bergman <[]>
Reply-To: sca-dance@...
To: sca-dance@...

I just heard from Patri du Chat Gris that Ingrid Brainard died over
the weekend.  The funeral will be Thursday; I don't have any more
details yet but thought I should pass the word. We are, of course,
all somewhat poorer for the loss.  I am especially saddened that she
didn't get the opportunity to present her current work at the coming
conference on Early Dance at Ghent, to which she was, I believe,
looking forward with great excitement.

Living here in Carolingia, I had heard tales of Ingrid from various
others for quite some time, mostly involving what a harsh
taskmistress she was and how picky she was about getting all the
details of the dance *right*.

Only fairly recently did I meet her and get to work with her a little
bit, and found out what a charming and delightful person she was, and
how much joy she took in dancing.

--Harald Longfellow

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I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Deirdre Gwenna Gervais de la
vallee of the Shire of Barren Sands in the Kingdom of the East.
I am very interested in dance, and while I will be reading avidly, I
don't think I'll be posting much, I'm relatively new to dancing!

Hi there:

      Anyone else going?

      Arwen?

Keith / Guillaume  S:}>

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Davis [mailto:ayden@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 7:42 PM
To: sca-dance@...
Subject: [SCA-Dance] KWDS III - was Re: Pin drop...

You mean you didn't get a flyer at War?   You didn't go to war?  Well
here's the UNOFFICIAL* announcement:

Known World Dance Symposium
8th - 12th June 2001*
Boston, Massachusetts

*DATES SUBJECT TO CHANGE

Many Days of Dancing!  You'll go home tired but happy.
Balls * Dance Classes * Music * Revelry

KWDS III is an SCA Event Hosted by the Barony of Carolingia
Autocrat:  ayden@... * www.carolingia.org/KWDS

This event coincides with the Boston Early Music Festival www.bemf.org
which runs 12th - 17th June 2001.

We will make a formal announcement next month once we sign the contract
with the site.  Until then, please see the note above.  Again, THESE
DATES ARE STILL SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

YIS,

Ayden Pathfinder
Autocrat, KWDS III
Barony of Carolingia
East Kingdom
<etc.>

Well, I'll be there if at all possible.
Eric Edmundsson

Hi there:

      Welcome to the list.  It's been pretty quiet, but maybe we can kick up
some dust.  I have a couple of open questions below.

      Hole in the Wall comes to us from late 17th century (1698?) and early
18th century editions of Playford.  The music was first published as a
Purcell hornpipe in the early to mid 1690's.  I will look up more details
when I get home - I have my Arbeau at work, but my Playford references are
at home:)  The Playford dances are appropriate for upper class people
(especially lawyers and government officials), although lesser nobility and
other well to do people would certainly have participated. By the turn of
the century I think they had a substantial middle class market, too.

      This is a popular Regency dance and is also well known throughout much
of the SCA.  Note that Hole in the Wall is not period for the SCA, nor is it
even a particularly period style.  It is an early form of Real, so it is
closer to Contra dance than period court dance.  The endless repetition does
help occasional dancers to learn it, however, so it remains popular even
though it is not inherently an easy dance (I've watched Science Fiction fans
try to get the hang of it at convention Regency dances - it's not easy).

      At midwinter Lady Barbara gave me a list of dances she does in
al-Barran.  We didn't have nearly enough time to chat, but I gather that
only some of the dances are done with any regularity.  One that they did
perform was Ballo del Fiore, a fun 16th century Italian dance.  I haven't
ever done this one, but I hope to introduce it soon in Caerthe.  Its always
good to see more dancers and new (to us) dances.

      Here's a question for the list:  What dances do you see/want to see at
your events and what dances do you regularly practice?  How often do you
practice?

      Another question:  What do you know about these dances?  Would an
ongoing discussion of dance history be of general interest to the list?

      Rattle, rattle ... anyone out there?

Keith / Guillaume  S:}>
Caerthe

-----Original Message-----
From: Reta Bray [mailto:bronwyn@...]

Greeting Unto All!
My name is Bronwyn Anwyl Ferch. I am of al-Barran. Recently we have been
having several events that have been making more room for dancing. Our Baron
is very fond of Hole In The Wall, so I have been trying to find more
information on it, where it originated from and when. IF anyone can lead me
in the right direction I would be greatful.

Thank you
Bronwyn

>      Hole in the Wall comes to us from late 17th century (1698?) and early
> 18th century editions of Playford.  The music was first published as a
> Purcell hornpipe in the early to mid 1690's.
<<<

I'm remembering 1694 or 1696.

>>>
>      This is a popular Regency dance and is also well known throughout much
> of the SCA.  Note that Hole in the Wall is not period for the SCA, nor is it
> even a particularly period style.  It is an early form of Real, so it is
> closer to Contra dance than period court dance.
<<<

Actually, it's a "reel". :)  This form later evolved into contradance
--  which in turn became American Square Dance.

>>>
   The endless repetition does
> help occasional dancers to learn it, however, so it remains popular even
> though it is not inherently an easy dance (I've watched Science Fiction fans
> try to get the hang of it at convention Regency dances - it's not easy).
<<<

The fact that many dancers in the SCA know it means it's a lot easier to
help the few who don't get through it.

We have a fun dance game we do here in Caerthe, called The Pinwheel,
which your Baron might also enjoy.  It's an excerpt from a longer dance,
but it's easy to learn and teach and it allows kidnapping and all sorts
of silliness.  Maybe we can come down to Sworded Affair and teach it to
you there?

Arwen

At 10:40 AM 12/28/00 +0000, the Digest quoted Guillaume:
>      Here's a question for the list:  What dances do you see/want to see at
>your events and what dances do you regularly practice?  How often do you
>practice?

Very seldom, now, as we've been pretty much out of play since our second
child arrived (over two years now since our last event, whereas we used to
attend at least 8-10 a year).  Back when Philippa and I were dancemaster
and dancemistress for the Barony of Marinus (Tidewater Virginia), though,
we held two or three practices each month.

As for the dances, we mostly did the Inns of Court dances, Arbeau, some
English country (Rufty Tufty, Heart's Ease, Gathering Peasecods, Jenny
Pluck Pears, and Sellenger's Round were probably the most common), plus a
few others.  No basse dance (I don't know any) and no Italian Ren (I've
tried a couple, but I'm not that graceful).

>Another question:  What do you know about these dances?

Not much, other than their sources.

>Would an
>ongoing discussion of dance history be of general interest to the list?

Yes!


Alasdair mac Iain

Keith / Guillaume says:
>      Hole in the Wall comes to us from late 17th century (1698?) and early
> 18th century editions of Playford.  The music was first published as a
> Purcell hornpipe in the early to mid 1690's.  I will look up more details
> when I get home

Arwen says:
> I'm remembering 1694 or 1696.

The Complete Country Dance Tunes from Playford's Dancing Master,
ed. Jeremy Barlow, lists the tune and dance Hole in the Wall
as first appearing in part 2, 2nd ed 1698, 9B.

The Purcell hornpipe is from the play Abdelazar, or the Moor's Revenge,
1695, according to Purcell, Playford, and the English Country Dance,
vol.2 the music, by Christine Helwig and Marshall Barron. How come I've
never noticed this implies there's a "vol.1 the dances"???
Time to prowl the CDSS site....yup, it's there.

On the CDSS site, I notice there's a new (9/22) online compendium
of all the Playford dancing master versions in a searchable database
with facsimiles of unique versions of the dances. *Very* nifty. Go to
http://www.cdss.org/publications/ and click the On-Line Publications item.

--Rebekah of Lizard's Nest
   (a former dance mistress of al-Barran)

Hi there:

      Rebekah beat me to the punch.  I couldn't find my Country Dance book -
it's probably still packed after a class.  I do have piles of notes, though,
and the dates and sources agree with Rebekah.  I have at least one CD,
"Popular Masterpieces of the Baroque" from the Tafelmusik Baroque Orchestra
(Toronto, Canada), that includes Purcell's Hornpipe No. 8 from Abdelazar,
[etc.].

      The first edition of Playford, "The English Dancing Master", was
published in 1651.  Though out of period by most calculations, this edition
is usually embraced by the SCA for four reasons:  it purports to record the
old way of doing dances, it is readily available (in any good book store and
in English, too), it is one of the few historical records of English
dancing, and we've always had it.  Eighteen later editions (titled "The
Dancing Master" with additional dances) were published through 1728, along
with two additional volumes (with several editions) beginning in 1710.

      Today, a well read SCA researcher may move beyond Playford.  The dances
were likely 10 - 20, not 50 years old.  We have two other period sources for
English dances (the Inns of Court Mss and Gresley).  Many other sources are
available, especially through the web.  We don't _have_ to perpetuate bad
research.  The later editions of Playford move farther from period and
really shouldn't be used in the SCA.  Hole in the Wall is in this group.
The dances are done by other groups, however (Regency, English Country, and
Contradance groups plus other SCA groups), so they are hard to leave behind.

      Lest I be accused of being the Authenticity Police(tm), I'd rather see
some out of period dances then no dancing at all.  I'd prefer to see period
dances, so I usually choose not to participate in Hole in the Head at SCA
events.  I'm willing to do my part to teach fun alternatives.  I try to lead
by example, never by force.

      Arwen reminds me that I used the wrong word for "reels."  If John Hertz
were here, he'd be tempted to beat me about the ears.  Fortunately, he is a
fine Regency gentleman and would never do such a thing.  (John teaches Hole
in the Wall and others at Regency dances.)

Keith McClune a.k.a.
Guillaume de Gonzac
Caerthen co-dance master
(formerly trained in Carolingia)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dianne Phelan [mailto:dphelan@...]

Keith / Guillaume says:
>      Hole in the Wall comes to us from late 17th century (1698?) and early
> 18th century editions of Playford.  The music was first published as a
> Purcell hornpipe in the early to mid 1690's.  I will look up more details
> when I get home

Arwen says:
> I'm remembering 1694 or 1696.

The Complete Country Dance Tunes from Playford's Dancing Master,
ed. Jeremy Barlow, lists the tune and dance Hole in the Wall
as first appearing in part 2, 2nd ed 1698, 9B.

The Purcell hornpipe is from the play Abdelazar, or the Moor's Revenge,
1695, according to Purcell, Playford, and the English Country Dance,
vol.2 the music, by Christine Helwig and Marshall Barron. How come I've
never noticed this implies there's a "vol.1 the dances"???
Time to prowl the CDSS site....yup, it's there.

On the CDSS site, I notice there's a new (9/22) online compendium
of all the Playford dancing master versions in a searchable database
with facsimiles of unique versions of the dances. *Very* nifty. Go to
http://www.cdss.org/publications/ and click the On-Line Publications item.

--Rebekah of Lizard's Nest
   (a former dance mistress of al-Barran)

>>> Swashbuckler <swashbuckler@...> 12/28/00 03:19pm >>>
      The first edition of Playford, "The English Dancing Master", was
published in 1651.  Though out of period by most calculations, this edition
is usually embraced by the SCA for four reasons:  it purports to record
the
old way of doing dances, it is readily available (in any good book store
and
in English, too), it is one of the few historical records of English
dancing, and we've always had it.
<<<

"Where to stop" is a tough line to draw, and everyone seems to draw it
in a different place, for different reasons.

I don't have as much of a problem with Playford - after all, when I joined
the SCA, the cut-off date *was* 1650.  (Oops, I think I'm showing my age
.....)  And I'd rather have first-edition Playford dances than, say, square
or contra dancing, or no dancing at all.  I try really hard to stick to the
first
edition, though.  I think Black Nag is my biggest exception; though it
doesn't appear until the third edition, I justify it because it is similar to
many first edition dances (and it's really not a lot later).

>>>
We have two other period sources for
English dances (the Inns of Court Mss and Gresley).  Many other
sources are
available, especially through the web.
<<<

Interlibrary loan is also your friend.  :)

With the web, we have such a huge advantage over dance teachers of
even ten or fifteen years ago.  For one thing, discussion groups such as
this are easier to form and use.  And there are so many resources out
there - bibliographies, discographies, primary and secondary sources ...
not to mention technological advances like CD burners -- heck, we've got
it easy, by comparison.

>>>
I'd prefer to see period
dances, so I usually choose not to participate in Hole in the Head at SCA
events.  I'm willing to do my part to teach fun alternatives.  I try to lead
by example, never by force.
<<<

My feeling is that there are so many fun period dances, who would ever
have time for anything else?  But it *is* hard to get started.  Peoples'
comfort zones are especially small when it comes to dancing.  They'd far
rather do "the fun dances" they know, even though they know that
they're well out of period, rather than risk "looking stupid" by doing "a
scary period dance" they don't know.

But you're right - force doesn't work.  I'm not sure how well example
works, either, but that's what we're trying to do.  There really are a lot of
fun period dances out there, and many aren't any harder than Hole In The
Wall.  We just need to get out and show people how much fun they are!

Good to finally "meet" you, Rebekah.  Your reputation certainly precedes
you!

Arwen
(the "other half" of the Caerthen dance teaching team)

>>> Swashbuckler <swashbuckler@...> 12/28/00 03:19pm >>>
Keith McClune a.k.a.
Guillaume de Gonzac
Caerthen co-dance master
(formerly trained in Carolingia)
<<<

Guillaume's notes remind me that it might be a good time for us to
introduce ourselves and tell a little about our backgrounds, especially
related to dancing.

So ... I'm Arwen Southernwood.  I've been in the SCA for almost 18
years, and I've been dancing and teaching dance for most of that.  I got
my start in what was then the Incipient Shire of Stonehaven (now the
Barony of Unser Hafen), had a 4-year segue in the Barony of
Stonemarche, in the East Kingdom (mundanely known as the state of
New Hampshire), and returned to Caerthe and the Outlands about ten
years ago.

Before joining the SCA, I had always enjoyed dancing, and had done
some square dancing.  While we lived in the East, I also learned some
contra dancing.  And at various and sundry World Science Fiction
conventions, I've learned a smattering of Regency dance.

I went to my first dance practice in Caer Galen when I'd been playing for
... umm ... three months, and was teaching dance within a few months.
In fact, when Jarl Freana and Jarlinda Richenda (who were the teachers
there at that time) moved away, I helped teach at Caer Galen dance
practice for a number of months.  After our move to the East, we tried to
get a dance practice going, but it was intermittent at best.

With the help of THL Wyndylyn, I started the Caerthen dance practice
about ... oh, three or four years ago?  (There were some sporadic
attempts to get dancing going before that, but none that really took off)
Due to health problems, Wyndylyn took some time off from dancing, so
Guillaume stepped in and started helping out.  We've been running
practices more or less as a team since then.

I've taught dance and dance-related classes at a couple of A&S
collegiums (collegia?), and, when I'm not pooped out from a day in the
kitchens (cooking is my other passion), I'm always glad to help teach or
lead period dancing at events.

Guess that's all for now ...

Arwen

p.s.  Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, the dance practice schedule for
Caerthen Dance Practice has been updated for the first half of 2001, and
can be found at:

http://home.earthlink.net/~smcclune/dance.html

Thank you both for the information. I would love to learn new dances. Arwen you
meantioned that you were to travel this way for Sworded? May I at this time
offer you and your traveling companions crash space if you so need it.
I have not been playing long but I long for more info, wanting to learn more all
the time.  With what dances are done here and how often we practice? Well there
is usually dance practice every 3rd thursday of the month (i believe) but I
usually have to work. I usually catch up with Lady Barbara early at events that
are planning to have dancing and try to help out as much as I can.

Also before I forget... I would like very much to extend an ivitation to all to
an upcoming event. MIDSUMMER'S NIGHT'S DREAM. It is June 22nd -24th (Friday-
Sunday) there will be an Equestrian Tourney, a Archery Tourney, and a Rapier
Tourney Saturday afternoon. A feast late Sat afternoon and then a Rapier tourney
and Heavey Tourney right after night fall. Followed by a wonderful revel with
lots of dancing.
Also I would like to send out a challange to all brewers. for there is a
brewer's competions right before feast.

I must be off for it is well past my bed time.
Be safe

> Thank you both for the information. I would love to learn new dances. Arwen
you meantioned that you were to travel this way for Sworded? May I at this time
offer you and your traveling companions crash space if you so need it.
<<<

Thank you for your very kind offer!  We have a more-or-less standing
invitation at Allegra and John's (she's invited me to come help cook),
but if that doesn't happen to work out this year, I would be delighted
to get in touch with you.  It seems to be turning into a tradition for
me to come down to Sworded.  I always enjoy it.

>>>
> Also before I forget... I would like very much to extend an ivitation to all
to an upcoming event. MIDSUMMER'S NIGHT'S DREAM. It is June 22nd -24th (Friday-
Sunday) there will be an Equestrian Tourney, a Archery Tourney, and a Rapier
Tourney Saturday afternoon. A feast late Sat afternoon and then a Rapier tourney
and Heavey Tourney right after night fall. Followed by a wonderful revel with
lots of dancing.
<<<

Sounds like fun.  We'll pencil it in, though we haven't looked that far
ahead on our calendar just yet.

>>>
> Also I would like to send out a challange to all brewers. for there is a
brewer's competions right before feast.
<<<

You know, I haven't yet tried my hand at brewing.  But I know people who
have .... :)

Arwen