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I'm forwarding this on behalf of Mistress Elaina:

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Morman [mailto:memorman@...]
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Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 10:21 AM
To: 'Outlands Dance List'
Subject: Re: [OutlandsDance] Dance Practices

The Barony of Dragonsspine holds dance practices every Wednesday night in
Gaylord Hall on the Colorado College campus.  Starts at 7pm, ends at 9pm.
mem

I forwarded one too.  She's got a problem with her connection to onelist.
I've suggested she go to the webpage.

Okay, Arwen:  are you going to post any of the stuff we talkeda bout at
Caerthe dance discussion night?

And did you send Master Eric an invite?

B

On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, McClune, Sheila wrote:

> From: "McClune, Sheila" <smcclune@...>
>
> I'm forwarding this on behalf of Mistress Elaina:
>
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> Subject: Re: [OutlandsDance] Dance Practices
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> The Barony of Dragonsspine holds dance practices every Wednesday night in
> Gaylord Hall on the Colorado College campus.  Starts at 7pm, ends at 9pm.
> mem
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-----Original Message-----
From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>

Okay, Arwen:  are you going to post any of the stuff we talkeda bout at
Caerthe dance discussion night?
<<<

I will, but not today -- I've got some work I'm trying desperately to finish
up by 5:30!

>>>
And did you send Master Eric an invite?
<<<

Ermmm ... Send me his e-mail address again?

Arwen (The Distracted)

> Okay, Arwen:  are you going to post any of the stuff we talkeda bout at
> Caerthe dance discussion night?
> <<<
>
> I will, but not today -- I've got some work I'm trying desperately to finish
> up by 5:30!
>
'Kay.  :-)

> >>>
> And did you send Master Eric an invite?
> <<<
>
> Ermmm ... Send me his e-mail address again?
>
esbarnes@...

Greetings,
   I am Baron Eric Edmundsson, and I currently hail from Dragonsspine.  I have
been enjoying SCA dancing for almost 21 years now, and continue to try and
learn new dances.  I don't have any specific favorites, but enjoy almost all
of the period dances that I have tried over the years.  Over the last few
years, my knees complain a bit about some of the more active dances, but I try
not to let it stop me.
  Eric

Just a reminder, Known World Dance is this weekend.  Guillaume and I will be
leaving as early as possible on Thursday -- ideally by about 10:00 am or so,
but definitely no later than noon.  Anybody going with us???

Arwen

Hi!  I see we've got a few new subscribers with us, so I'm going to see if I
can get the ball rolling here with some discussion on ways to encourage a)
more dancing, and b) period dances, rather than "peri-oid" and folk dances.

As some of you know, the first dance practice of each month in Caerthe is
devoted to "discussion group" -- mostly because the only meeting room we
could get at the library on those days is a small room filled with a large
table.  At our April discussion group, I brought up this topic, and here are
some of my resulting notes:

To encourage more dancing:

- Include dance in newcomers' events/classes:  In Caerthe, we do
meetings for newcomers on an semi-regular basis.  The idea was to include a
short dancing lesson (maybe a simple branle or country dance), along with a
brief sketch of dance etiquette.  That lets new people know that there IS
dance in the SCA.

- Work with cooks and autocrats ahead of time to schedule time for
dancing, and be willing to be flexible, i.e., dance in the afternoon instead
of in the evening after feast. At larger events, we run into the problem of
long courts, feasts served at a leisurely pace (so that by the time the
feast is finished, it's time to clean up and go home), and schedules that
just don't allow time for dancing.  Another of the trends we are noticing
here in Caerthe is that, because wet sites are becoming a thing of the past,
many events seem to be breaking up earlier and earlier so that people can go
to the post-revel and relax with a tankard of their favorite libation.  It's
not uncommon for a smaller event to be cleaned up, over, and done with by
10:00 pm, even when we have the hall until midnight.  That's two hours we
could have been dancing, folks!

To combat this, we're going to try to see if we can schedule time in the
afternoon for dancing at some events.  This also helps with the problem of
people not wanting to dance when they have just stuffed themselves silly
with a wonderful feast.

- Be prepared for impromptu, "pick-up" dancing at all events (have the
boom box, *with batteries*, and the dance CD with us.)

- Publish a list of dances and practices in the area.  That's one of
my goals with this list -- to let people know what other practices are going
on in their area.

	 These things will all encourage people to do more dancing.  However,
I would also very much like to see more *period* dances being done.  Guess
it's time for my standard "position paper" on the subject ...

	 <soapbox mode on>

	 I don't like seeing what are basically post-period and modern folk
dances being passed off at SCA events as "medieval" dance.  I find it very
annoying that the majority of dances that are done at events date from
post-1700, rather than pre-1650.  (I'm willing to stretch that "period" line
far enough to get even the third edition of Playford, so we can get Black
Nag, but that's still 1650's).  I won't bore those of you who have already
heard it with my "Korobushka Lecture"; if you're curious, come find me at an
event sometime.

	 The arguments I hear for these dances being done is that "they're
fun and people like them."  Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to people
having fun, or doing dances they like, but if that's the kind of dancing
they want to do, there are folk, square, and contra dance groups out there,
who are usually looking for enthusiastic new members.

	 I think the real reason these dances are done in the SCA is
two-fold:  First, once upon a time, there were very few resources available
to dance teachers.  There were only a couple of period sources that could be
found easily, and even when you could find written instructions, you usually
couldn't find the music anyway.  So people taught what they could find.  I
believe that that's how Hole In the Wall, which dates to the late 1690's,
came to be an SCA standard.

	 So now these are the dances people know, which is the second reason
people want to do them:  they are comfortable with them.  For a lot of
people, dancing is a risky activity -- there's the very real chance that
you'll go out there and mess up and look stupid in front of everybody.
Which is why, once people get to know a few dances well enough that they
won't look stupid doing them, those are the ones they consider "fun":
having defined their comfort zone, they are then reluctant to go outside it.

	 The problem is that many dance teachers feel obliged to continue
teaching those same post-period dances, and even introduce additional
similar ones, because that's what they and their students feel comfortable
with.

	 That's how I see it, anyway, because the "that's all we can find"
argument just doesn't hold up anymore.  Between resources available for free
via the internet and inter-library loan, more period music recorded on CD,
CD burners and inexpensive CD production (which allows groups like Loch
Salann to produce their own dance CD), SCA dance manuals that are sold
through local SCA merchants, new translations of period sources, and even
mundane and SCA dance instruction videos, there is no shortage of
instructions for period dance.

	 So what it all boils down to is that people in general, and dancers
and dance instructors in particular, tend to not want to go outside familiar
territory.  Not too surprising, really -- it's just basic human nature.

	 <soapbox mode off>

	 Anyway, I guess my next question for the assembled group has to be:
How can we break down some of those barriers and *gently* urge people to
expand their comfort zone to include some documentably period dances?

	 Here are some of the thoughts we discussed:

- Hold a dance collegium, with a guest instructor from out-of-kingdom,
so that we can learn new dances and dances as they are done in other areas.
Hold the event in late January, when airfares are low, so that we can afford
to pay or help pay transportation expenses for the guest instructor.
Possible instructors:  Baron Patri, Countess Mara, Master Giles, Mistress
Lizbeth.  Don't have a feast; instead serve a cold sideboard of nibblies, so
that there will be more time for dancing, and so that dancers won't be too
full to dance.  THL Tatiana suggested making this a regional event, as there
are interested dancers and teachers in the surrounding groups.  I think this
sounds like an excellent idea.

- Don't include post-1650 dances in curriculum for practices or
collegia

- Form a performance dance troupe to demonstrate showpieces and more
difficult period dances.  Let people see how much fun dance can be.

Just as a note, it *can* be done.  With a very few exceptions, I have been
teaching exclusively pre-1660 dances at Caerthen practices for around two
years now.  I know that Dragonsspine has been following a similar policy for
quite a while as well.

With those thoughts, I'm off to Known World Dance.  Hopefully, I'll come
back with all kinds of new and wonderful dances and ideas to improve dancing
in the Outlands.  I'm really looking forward to it!

Arwen

p.s.  Forgot to mention -- I just got my copy of Janelyn & Trahearn's Inns
of Court dance cd & instruction booklet.  I'll work up a review of it to
post here soon -- meanwhile, does anyone else have a particularly good (or
bad, for that matter) dance manual or CD they would like to review here???

A.

This sounds like the theory I use for mundane dancing.  I only dance at
weddings, because my friends have probably seen me make a fool of myself
before, and the people I don't know, I'll probably never see again.
   All of the ideas for encouraging more dancing sound good.  I would suggest
one more, and that is that some of the more experienced dancers ask relatively
new or inexperienced dancers to dance.  It is easy to get into the habit of
dancing with certain people, especially spouses or signficant others.  But if
you dance with a less experienced person, and help them get through the dance,
especially if you can try to make them look good in the process, it will
encourage them to dance more.
   I think that the two biggest things are, making sure that there are
opportunities to dance at events, and teaching period dances on a regular
basis so that people know that they are fun.
   For those who don't get CA, the latest issue covers period dance.  I haven't
had a chance to read it yet, but I thought people would like to know.
   Eric Edmundsson

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric <esbarnes@...>

All of the ideas for encouraging more dancing sound good.  I would suggest
one more, and that is that some of the more experienced dancers ask
relatively
new or inexperienced dancers to dance.  It is easy to get into the habit of
dancing with certain people, especially spouses or signficant others.  But
if
you dance with a less experienced person, and help them get through the
dance,
especially if you can try to make them look good in the process, it will
encourage them to dance more.
<<<

One of the things we do try to do is mix it up so that people get to dance
with lots of different partners.  Our unofficial "rule" is that you
shouldn't dance with someone twice until you've danced with everyone else
there.  I think that dancing with different partners helps a lot, and we do
try to balance experienced dancers with inexperienced ones between sets,
too.

>>>
For those who don't get CA, the latest issue covers period dance.  I haven't
had a chance to read it yet, but I thought people would like to know.
<<<

I haven't had a chance to read this yet, either, since we just got it when
we got home last night.  But I got to meet the authors of this at Known
World Dance, and they are cool folks.  FYI, there is a CD of music to
accompany the CA.  I've ordered an advance copy, and I'll try to bring the
info in tomorrow so I can tell other folks how to order it, too.

And I'll be writing lots on KWD ... but not today, I'm busy catching up on
three days' worth of work!

Arwen
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FYI, Caerthen Dance Practice will NOT be held at the University Hills
library on Thursday, June 3.  As it would ordinarily be discussion night, we
have decided to go join the Caer Galen practice (1st and 3rd Thursdays at
Scott Carpenter Park) this week instead.

Please pass the word along to anyone who may not have heard.  I will also be
making this announcement at Caerthen Populace/Business Meeting tonight.

Thanks!
Arwen

p.s.  I'm still putting together some notes from Known World Dance, and will
post them soon.

> This sounds like the theory I use for mundane dancing.  I only dance at
> weddings, because my friends have probably seen me make a fool of myself
> before, and the people I don't know, I'll probably never see again.

I also find that there's a proportional relationship between alcohol
consumed and dancing at weddings.

But the cool thing is that not only does your impression of your own
ability grow rosier, quite often people who are stiff *do* get better
at dancing because they relax; and your tolerance of others' weird moves
increases.

>   All of the ideas for encouraging more dancing sound good.  I would suggest
> one more, and that is that some of the more experienced dancers ask relatively
> new or inexperienced dancers to dance.  It is easy to get into the habit of
> dancing with certain people, especially spouses or signficant others.  But if
> you dance with a less experienced person, and help them get through the dance,
> especially if you can try to make them look good in the process, it will
> encourage them to dance more.

I agree that it's important to dance with more people than just those you
know, especially if you're part of a couple.  An interesting "moral"
judgment can intrude in that I find that sometimes very shy or very
new couples not only don't want to dance with anyone else, but sometimes
mistakenly judge others harshly. I find that a careful explanation can
deal with the latter, and a good on-going example the former--"see,
everyone really *does* dance with someone different every dance, but
they save their favorite for their spouse..."

It's a pity that modern society has gotten at once saturated with sex
and at the same time judgmental of activities that formerly had no
potential hidden meaning attached to them...

>   I think that the two biggest things are, making sure that there are
> opportunities to dance at events, and teaching period dances on a regular
> basis so that people know that they are fun.

Precisely.  And don't allow the dichotomy to continue to exist making
"period" dances the opposite of "fun" dances.

I don't like the fast, sloppy dances any more where people are just
romping and not paying attention to their styling, artistry and manners.

>   For those who don't get CA, the latest issue covers period dance.  I haven't
> had a chance to read it yet, but I thought people would like to know.
>   Eric Edmundsson
>
It's really great and quite thorough.

Berengaria

Greetings friends--

I'm one of, as far as I know, five people going to this event so far--
but check it out!!!  Looks like some marvellous classes to be offered--
and according to Arwen's on-line research, driving time is just 9 hours!!!

Berengaria

http://www.cowboy.net/%7Ecindy/kings/sched_by_sub.htm

Sigh, whimper.  Ah well.  I knew about it when I used the last of my time
off to go to Known World Dance.  I'm willing to send my husband and my
minivan, though.  Room for a total of four riders in the current
configuration, or 6 if we put the extra seat back in and everyone packs
really light.  I'll just sit here, alone ...

Besides, I'm feeding the Queen that weekend at Cattle Raid.  Think I'd
better make sure my cow-spotted apron is clean. :)

Arwen

-----Original Message-----
From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:16 PM
To: NOCs@onelist.com
Cc: OutlandsDance@onelist.com
Subject: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL

From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>

Greetings friends--

I'm one of, as far as I know, five people going to this event so far--
but check it out!!!  Looks like some marvellous classes to be offered--
and according to Arwen's on-line research, driving time is just 9 hours!!!

Berengaria

http://www.cowboy.net/%7Ecindy/kings/sched_by_sub.htm




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> From: "McClune, Sheila" <smcclune@...>
>
> Sigh, whimper.  Ah well.  I knew about it when I used the last of my time
> off to go to Known World Dance.  I'm willing to send my husband and my
> minivan, though.  Room for a total of four riders in the current
> configuration, or 6 if we put the extra seat back in and everyone packs
> really light.  I'll just sit here, alone ...
>
Shotgun...:-)

Me and Master Eric so far, along with husband and minivan.

I just e-mailed the autocrat for crash/motel info.

> Besides, I'm feeding the Queen that weekend at Cattle Raid.  Think I'd
> better make sure my cow-spotted apron is clean. :)
>
> Arwen
>
Naturellement.  :-)

B

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:16 PM
> To: NOCs@onelist.com
> Cc: OutlandsDance@onelist.com
> Subject: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL
>
> From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>
>
> Greetings friends--
>
> I'm one of, as far as I know, five people going to this event so far--
> but check it out!!!  Looks like some marvellous classes to be offered--
> and according to Arwen's on-line research, driving time is just 9 hours!!!
>
> Berengaria
>
> http://www.cowboy.net/%7Ecindy/kings/sched_by_sub.htm
>
>
>
>
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Don't forget to include Rivka!

Arwen

-----Original Message-----
From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:34 PM
To: 'OutlandsDance@onelist.com'
Subject: Re: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL

From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>


> From: "McClune, Sheila" <smcclune@...>
>
> Sigh, whimper.  Ah well.  I knew about it when I used the last of my time
> off to go to Known World Dance.  I'm willing to send my husband and my
> minivan, though.  Room for a total of four riders in the current
> configuration, or 6 if we put the extra seat back in and everyone packs
> really light.  I'll just sit here, alone ...
>
Shotgun...:-)

Me and Master Eric so far, along with husband and minivan.

I just e-mailed the autocrat for crash/motel info.

> Besides, I'm feeding the Queen that weekend at Cattle Raid.  Think I'd
> better make sure my cow-spotted apron is clean. :)
>
> Arwen
>
Naturellement.  :-)

B

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:16 PM
> To: NOCs@onelist.com
> Cc: OutlandsDance@onelist.com
> Subject: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL
>
> From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>
>
> Greetings friends--
>
> I'm one of, as far as I know, five people going to this event so far--
> but check it out!!!  Looks like some marvellous classes to be offered--
> and according to Arwen's on-line research, driving time is just 9 hours!!!
>
> Berengaria
>
> http://www.cowboy.net/%7Ecindy/kings/sched_by_sub.htm
>
>
>
>
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Rivka informed us last night that she was going with Sorcha--in her own
car.

???

B

On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, McClune, Sheila wrote:

> From: "McClune, Sheila" <smcclune@...>
>
> Don't forget to include Rivka!
>
> Arwen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:34 PM
> To: 'OutlandsDance@onelist.com'
> Subject: Re: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL
>
> From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>
>
>
> > From: "McClune, Sheila" <smcclune@...>
> >
> > Sigh, whimper.  Ah well.  I knew about it when I used the last of my time
> > off to go to Known World Dance.  I'm willing to send my husband and my
> > minivan, though.  Room for a total of four riders in the current
> > configuration, or 6 if we put the extra seat back in and everyone packs
> > really light.  I'll just sit here, alone ...
> >
> Shotgun...:-)
>
> Me and Master Eric so far, along with husband and minivan.
>
> I just e-mailed the autocrat for crash/motel info.
>
> > Besides, I'm feeding the Queen that weekend at Cattle Raid.  Think I'd
> > better make sure my cow-spotted apron is clean. :)
> >
> > Arwen
> >
> Naturellement.  :-)
>
> B
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:16 PM
> > To: NOCs@onelist.com
> > Cc: OutlandsDance@onelist.com
> > Subject: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL
> >
> > From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>
> >
> > Greetings friends--
> >
> > I'm one of, as far as I know, five people going to this event so far--
> > but check it out!!!  Looks like some marvellous classes to be offered--
> > and according to Arwen's on-line research, driving time is just 9 hours!!!
> >
> > Berengaria
> >
> > http://www.cowboy.net/%7Ecindy/kings/sched_by_sub.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Barry
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Ah, I must have missed that part of the conversation ..... so there's still
at least one available seat in the minivan.

Arwen

-----Original Message-----
From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:43 PM
To: 'OutlandsDance@onelist.com'
Subject: Re: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL

From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>

Rivka informed us last night that she was going with Sorcha--in her own
car.

???

B

On Thu, 10 Jun 1999, McClune, Sheila wrote:

> From: "McClune, Sheila" <smcclune@...>
>
> Don't forget to include Rivka!
>
> Arwen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:34 PM
> To: 'OutlandsDance@onelist.com'
> Subject: Re: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL
>
> From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>
>
>
> > From: "McClune, Sheila" <smcclune@...>
> >
> > Sigh, whimper.  Ah well.  I knew about it when I used the last of my
time
> > off to go to Known World Dance.  I'm willing to send my husband and my
> > minivan, though.  Room for a total of four riders in the current
> > configuration, or 6 if we put the extra seat back in and everyone packs
> > really light.  I'll just sit here, alone ...
> >
> Shotgun...:-)
>
> Me and Master Eric so far, along with husband and minivan.
>
> I just e-mailed the autocrat for crash/motel info.
>
> > Besides, I'm feeding the Queen that weekend at Cattle Raid.  Think I'd
> > better make sure my cow-spotted apron is clean. :)
> >
> > Arwen
> >
> Naturellement.  :-)
>
> B
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JEANNE STAPLETON [mailto:jstaplet@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:16 PM
> > To: NOCs@onelist.com
> > Cc: OutlandsDance@onelist.com
> > Subject: [OutlandsDance] King's College - check out the URL
> >
> > From: JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>
> >
> > Greetings friends--
> >
> > I'm one of, as far as I know, five people going to this event so far--
> > but check it out!!!  Looks like some marvellous classes to be offered--
> > and according to Arwen's on-line research, driving time is just 9
hours!!!
> >
> > Berengaria
> >
> > http://www.cowboy.net/%7Ecindy/kings/sched_by_sub.htm
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Just thought I'd let everyone know that our Dance Practice schedule for the
Barony of Caerthe is going to be a little unusual for the month of July.

As our usual site, the Ross-University Hills Branch Library, will be doing
special library programs on Thursdays during the entire month of July, as
are most of the other branch libraries that have evening hours on Thursdays,
we've had to be ... creative and flexible.  So ...

July 1 -- Join Caer Galen Dance Practice in Scott Carpenter Park in Boulder.
We will be convening at Guillaume's place of employment to carpool up
together.  Please e-mail me for details and directions.

July 8 -- Dance Practice *CANCELLED*

July 15 -- Join Caer Galen Dance Practice.  We will again be carpooling.

July 22 -- Dance Practice at the home of THL Wyndylyn, who has most
graciously offered us the use of her living room -- or her garage or
backyard if we have enough dancers that we won't fit in the living room.

July 29 -- Dance Practice at the home of THL Wyndylyn.

As of the first week in August, we will be back at the Library.  I will post
the schedule then.

Please pass the word along to people who aren't on this list.  In
particular, if anyone knows how to contact Doran from Dragonsspine, please
make sure he knows of our change in schedule, as he has occasionally been
coming up for practice.  I had his e-mail address, but it seems to have been
eaten by my purse/car/apartment ...

Thanks!
Arwen

Dear Gentles,

I am sending this letter out to several dance and music lists. So
please forgive me if you get duplicate copies of it.

Is anyone familiar with the ballo called Verceppe? I have the melody
line for the music and the dance instructions. What I need is a 2,
3, or 4 - part arrangement of the music so that we can have live
music with the dance. The music is credited to Domenico da Piacenza.
We can't find an arrangement anywhere.

Does anyone know anything about the music for this dance? Or, can
anyone fill me in on typical Italian dance music chord progressions?
The music appears to start in G major - would they have used the
dominant (D or D minor) to harmonize with it, or would they be more
likely to have used the lowered VII chord (F)? Then the music
appears to switch to D minor.

  The music changes time signatures ever 4 to 6 measures. I noticed
that there is always
	 a big circle above the 3/4 time signature
	 a big C with a dot in the center above 6/8 signature
	 a big C with no dot above 2/4.
Is this an old way of notating meter? Perhaps a shorthand symbol for
the meter?

Any help you could give me would be very much appreciated. If you
don't know the answers, perhaps you could direct me to some one else
who might be able to help? Thanks!!

   Lady Cecily of Twae Linnes, Artemisia
  (mka: Sandi in Idaho)

Hi there:

      I have danced Verceppe and like it, but I don't think we have a music
arrangement.  I can check over the weekend.  We do have several recordings.
My favorite (probably because I learned the dance to it) came from the
Barony of Carolingia (Boston, MA) over twenty years ago.  It may be possible
to track down the arrangement that they used.  The Letter of Dance people
are your best bet there.

Keith / Guillaume

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandi Augsburger [mailto:sandilee@...]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 12:51 AM
To: <etc.> Letter of Dance; Outlands Dance; <etc.>
Subject: [OutlandsDance] Verceppe


From: Sandi Augsburger <sandilee@...>

Dear Gentles,

I am sending this letter out to several dance and music lists. So
please forgive me if you get duplicate copies of it.

Is anyone familiar with the ballo called Verceppe? I have the melody
line for the music and the dance instructions. What I need is a 2,
3, or 4 - part arrangement of the music so that we can have live
music with the dance. The music is credited to Domenico da Piacenza.
We can't find an arrangement anywhere.

Does anyone know anything about the music for this dance? Or, can
anyone fill me in on typical Italian dance music chord progressions?

<etc.>

   Lady Cecily of Twae Linnes, Artemisia
  (mka: Sandi in Idaho)
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Guillaume,

Thank you so much for answering my request for help! Al cofrin and
Bedlam abbey both sent me a really nice copy. So I am set. Thank you
for your willingness to search for it!

Cecily

> Swashbuckler wrote:
>
> Hi there:
>
>      I have danced Verceppe and like it, but I don't think we have
> a music arrangement.  I can check over the weekend.  We do have
> several recordings.  My favorite (probably because I learned the
> dance to it) came from the Barony of Carolingia (Boston, MA) over
> twenty years ago.  It may be possible to track down the
> arrangement that they used.  The Letter of Dance people are your
> best bet there.
>
> Keith / Guillaume
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandi Augsburger [mailto:sandilee@...]
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 12:51 AM
> To: <etc.> Letter of Dance; Outlands Dance; <etc.>
> Subject: [OutlandsDance] Verceppe
>
> From: Sandi Augsburger <sandilee@...>
>
> Dear Gentles,
>
> I am sending this letter out to several dance and music lists. So
> please forgive me if you get duplicate copies of it.
>
> Is anyone familiar with the ballo called Verceppe? I have the
> melody
> line for the music and the dance instructions. What I need is a 2,
>
> 3, or 4 - part arrangement of the music so that we can have live
> music with the dance. The music is credited to Domenico da
> Piacenza.
> We can't find an arrangement anywhere.
>
> Does anyone know anything about the music for this dance? Or, can
> anyone fill me in on typical Italian dance music chord
> progressions?
>
> <etc.>
>
>   Lady Cecily of Twae Linnes, Artemisia
>  (mka: Sandi in Idaho)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Nobody cares if you can't dance well.  Just get up and dance. --
> Dave Barry

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:19:45 -0600
From: Kathryn Ballard <kballar@...>
To: Perry Wells <plw1@...>, JEANNE STAPLETON <jstaplet@...>,
     Maggie Griggs <lyssa@...>,
     Francesca di Pavia <pavia@...>
Subject: FW: Seeking help on advertising English country dance

Please pass this information on the those you might feel are interested.
Thanks

____________________________________________________
Kathryn Ballard, Systems Analyst II
University of New Mexico -- CIRT/CSOS
kballar@..., http://www.unm.edu/~kballar

As Tevye says in Fiddler on the Roof,
'Good news will stay, and bad news will refuse to leave.'


-----Original Message-----
From: Charmaine Getz [mailto:clgetz@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:14 AM
To: kballar@...
Subject: Seeking help on advertising English country dance


Hello,

I am a member of Colorado Friends of Old Time Music and Dance, active in
the English country dancing group. We are trying to get the message out
about our dance sessions, held in Lakewood (Denver) usually on the last
Friday evening of every month (except for August).

As you may already know, English country dancing predates contra, most
ceili, and square dancing. Many of the earliest English country dances
were being performed as far back as the Middle Ages - "Rufty Tufty,"
"Sellenger's Round," "Black Nag," "Merry Merry Milkmaids," "Jenny Pluck
Pears," etc. The dances were done in village as well as great hall.

We have a superb indoor space for dancing, a wonderful band, a great
caller/instructor, and at least a couple dozen friendly dancers of
novice to experienced levels. We charge about $7 for non-CFOOTMAD
members, $6 for members. Special clothes, a partner or even previous
experience are not necessary. Dances start at 7:30 and run to 11 p.m.

We welcome members of SCA and Renaissance fair groups who would like to
learn period dancing. English country is also a good alternative for
those who love the fast-paced contra, Irish or Scottish dancing but find
it physically taxing.

Your assistance in getting out this information would be greatly
appreciated. If anyone would like more details, please tell him or her
to contact me at (303) 447-8578 (after 9 a.m., please) or by email.
CFOOTMAD also has a web site with information about these and other
dances - www.cfootmad.com  We also have flyers available for handing out
and posting.

Thanks for your time and attention.

Charmaine Getz
Colorado Friends of Old Time Music and Dance

Ok then.  My names Megan, and I apologize if I come across as strange.
I was in a car wreck on Monday(no one was seriously injured, although
it was an act of God that i survived the only part of the driver's side
that wasn't damaged was the driver's side door)

I'm 18, and will be an english major with writing specialiization.  I
love the medieval period, and am trying to learn as much as i can about
its society and culture, and would love to write about the period
someday.

--Megan


--- OutlandsDance-owner@onelist.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Welcome to the Outlands Dance list!  I look forward
> to your contributions to our
> discussion of Medieval and Renaissance Dance.
>
> Please take a moment to post a brief note
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> and what sorts of dances interest you.
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Good day....
     My name is Katryn, originally from Trimaris, my family took about 2years
off to relocate and settle in Dragonspine,  I have never been involved with
dance (other than ballet as a child) but I am eager to learn.  I understand
dance practise has been suspended for a while.  Any ideas on when it will
resume??

Anxiously awaiting a reply,
Katryn

KatrynWise@... wrote:
>
> From: KatrynWise@...
>
> Good day....
>     My name is Katryn, originally from Trimaris, my family took about 2years
> off to relocate and settle in Dragonspine,  I have never been involved with
> dance (other than ballet as a child) but I am eager to learn.  I understand
> dance practise has been suspended for a while.  Any ideas on when it will
> resume??
>
> Anxiously awaiting a reply,
> Katryn
>

I believe that Dragonsspine Dance Practice will be starting the week
after next.  I will try to get a posting after the monthly business
meeting on Wednesday.
  Eric Edmundsson

Just wanted to let you know that I've added a couple of new features which
you are all welcome to use.

To access these features, go to
http://www.onelist.com/community/OutlandsDance

The first is a calendar.  I have added Caerthen Dance Practices to the
calendar, with an automatic reminder that will be sent to all members a day
before each practice (if this gets too obnoxious, let me know and I can turn
it off!).

The second is a file.  There is now a folder named "Dance Practice
Directions", and under that, a file called "Caerthe.txt" that contains
directions to our dance practice sites.

Please add information for any other practices in the Outlands -- it would
be nice to be able to support each others' practices wherever possible.

Also -- I'd be interested to hear what kinds of dances are being done at the
various practices.  In Caerthe, we have recently begun teaching some of the
easy Italian dances, such as Petit Riens and Anello, and have also added
several of the Old Measures to our repertoire.  We also regularly do a
selection of English Country Dances (first edition Playford), bransles from
Arbeau, and miscellaneous pavans.  Our plans for the future are to
reconstruct Rostiboli from period sources, and to learn a basse dance
(Casulle).

Our plan is to have dancing at Caerthen Twelfth Night this year.  I will try
to post a list of the dances that will be done so folks can practice.

If you know anyone who should be on this list who is not, please invite them
to join.  They may do so by sending an e-mail to:
OutlandsDance-subscribe@onelist.com


Happy dancing!

Arwen

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Caerthen Dance Practice

Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999
Time: 07:00PM - 09:00PM MDT (GMT-06:00)

Last practice each month is at the Park Hill Branch Library
(Montview & Dexter); all others at University Hills Branch
Library (Amherst & Birch).

Hi, folks!

Just thought I'd let you know that we worked on the schedule for Caerthen
Twelfth Night last night, and it looks like there'll be two one-hour periods
set aside for dance.  Plus, there is the possibility of some open time in
the evening, if court should happen to end early (yeah, well, we can hope,
can't we?).  [For those of you who haven't heard, Investiture of the next
Baron and Baroness of Caerthe will take place at Twelfth Night, so the
schedule is pretty crowded, but we still think we can wedge in a little
dancing.]

Anyway, Lord Guillaume de Gonzac will be coordinating the dancing, and would
like to limit dances to 1st ed. Playford or earlier.  He will be contacting
various dance instructors in this part of the kingdom to help teach/lead
dancing, but if anyone knows of anyone who might be interested in helping
out, please post it here and I will forward the information to him (due to
an e-mail glitch, he's not currently on this list but will be back very
soon).

Also, if anyone knows of anyone who ought to be on this list and isn't,
please forward their e-mail address to me (with their permission, of
course!), and I will send them an invitation to join.  Or people can join
without being invited, actually, just by following this link to the OneList
web site:

<http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/OutlandsDance>

or by sending a message to

OutlandsDance-subscribe@onelist.com

Happy dancing!
Arwen

Just a quick note regarding Dragonsspine Dance Practice.  Practice will
be held at the Worner Campus Center at Colorado College tonight, 15
Sept, at 7.  Next week it will be moving, I think it will be at UCCS in
room 110 of the Library Building.  That will be confirmed tonight.
  Eric Edmundsson