I have the sad duty to announce that the traditional Mozarabic rite has been replaced by a Modernist Mozarabic Novus Ordo that closely follows the pattern...
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John Rossomando
jrossomando@...
Sep 19, 2002 4:14 pm
Fr. John, It was a scholarly book published by a secular historian, not Roman Catholics. ,John ... the 12th century. This was of course not so. But don't...
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Fr. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
Sep 19, 2002 4:25 pm
... has been replaced by a Modernist Mozarabic Novus Ordo that closely follows the pattern established by the Paul VI Missal. The traditional Mozarabic rite...
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Drake Aristibule C. A...
aristibule
Sep 19, 2002 6:52 pm
... wrote: Bless Father, Is this liturgy of St. Gregory like the Armenian one? Or is it similar to the Greco-Slavonic rite? Also, could you give any more ...
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Fr. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
Sep 19, 2002 9:38 pm
... The Armenian Church actually uses the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom -- only in a different "setting", that is, the same prayers said by the priest, but...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 19, 2002 10:42 pm
Isn't Martini still the [R.C.] Abp. of Milan? Concerning the liturgical devastation in the wake of V2 (Vae Vacinata?), yep, they couldn't leave any trace of...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 19, 2002 11:21 pm
There is something else to consider. The union with fallen Rome was achieved surreptitiously* and had not been announced clearly to the public at...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 19, 2002 11:46 pm
There's also the Presanctified Liturgy of St. James, served on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday of Holy Week in Slavonic in the Banat region. There is a...
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Father Jack
fr.jack@...
Sep 20, 2002 12:40 am
... Fr Jack replies: If you had legs like mine you would not need to ask. Even with bionic knees, I find myself more and more disposed to this custom of...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 20, 2002 1:55 am
Dear in Christ, Fr. Jack, Christus in medio nostri. Regarding the exigencies of advancement in years, I can only quote from Cicero: Nihil igitur afferunt, qui...
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ambrós
maincin
Sep 20, 2002 1:57 am
Celtic and Old English Saints 8 September =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * St. Cynfarch of Wales * St.Ina and St. Ethelburga ...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 20, 2002 2:05 am
... cum ... ille ... at ... "They have no real argument, who deny that old age can be spent in activities; they are like those who say that the pilot does...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 20, 2002 2:11 am
St. Hilarion's got an inquiry recently about Orthodox churches in Bedford in the U.K. The man has wanted to convert for some time and said there is a Serbian...
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nectarios@...
iamnectarios
Sep 20, 2002 2:58 am
I think the one you're thinking of is in Bradford? Nectarios ... From: "Fr. Aidan Keller" <hilarion@...> To: <OrthodoxWest@yahoogroups.com> Sent:...
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kcw
thrak77
Sep 20, 2002 11:00 am
From St. Makarios of Egypt (Homily 1: Spiritual Perfection no. 2, The Philokalia Vol. 3 edited by Palmer, Sherrard and Ware; Faber and Faber pg. 285): "What is...
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John Rossomando
jrossomando@...
Sep 20, 2002 5:10 pm
Martini no longer is holds the Chair of St. Ambrose. I believe that he died recently, but I could be wrong. The Traditional Dominicans of St. Vincent Ferrer,...
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John Rossomando
jrossomando@...
Sep 20, 2002 5:12 pm
If you are referring to the Nestorians whom entered the Russian Orthodox Church in the 1890s, I think that I read somewhere that they switched to the...
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John Rossomando
jrossomando@...
Sep 20, 2002 5:17 pm
Fr. John, You are probably correct concerning the Ambrosian-rite because the Missale Ambrosianum that I found at the Catholic University Library was dated...
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John Rossomando
jrossomando@...
Sep 20, 2002 5:39 pm
How can you say that the Union of Florence was acheived "surruptitiously"? No one forced the Greeks to sign the union document. They had the free-will to do...
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John Rossomando
jrossomando@...
Sep 20, 2002 5:44 pm
Does anyone have any info. on the pre-Tridentine usage of the Roman Curia? ,John ... Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! [Non-text...
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Ari Adams
aristibule
Sep 20, 2002 5:49 pm
Bless Father, I have a 1922 Missale Anglicanum supposedly headed my way. Maybe I could scan that in? (Someone suggest a program to use, I have an iMac). If I...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 20, 2002 6:58 pm
Dear John, Cardinal Martini never did hold the chair of St. Ambrose; the Orthodox Archbishop of Milan and successor to St. Ambrose (not through an indigenous, ...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 20, 2002 7:04 pm
Dear John, When a bunch of prelates conclude a secret union which they do not dare to proclaim to their own people in public, the word "surreptitious" is apt ...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 20, 2002 7:05 pm
Dear John, A particularly helpful source is the Missale Romanum printed at Venice in 1474 which I believe forms one of the volumes in the Henry Bradshaw...
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Jens Schmidt-Clausen
miminera56
Sep 20, 2002 7:50 pm
Dear list-members, There is a French web-site run by the <Fraternité Saint Vincent Ferrier> with some descriptive articles about the Old Domincan Rite they...
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Drake Aristibule C. A...
aristibule
Sep 20, 2002 7:58 pm
I do find that interesting. I've had a few friends in the RC that have told me that the only Rite that has not been ruined by Vatican II or 'Latinisation' of...
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Drake Aristibule C. A...
aristibule
Sep 20, 2002 8:08 pm
Yes John, and we know those who made the mistake in those centuries of fooling with the Jesuits and the Papacy found themselves not much later in Schism from...
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Fr. John R. Shaw
vrevjrs@...
Sep 20, 2002 8:17 pm
... Actually, Rome did not interfere with any of the "Eastern Rites", and there are many more of them than that of the Melkites: thus they have-- The Coptic...
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Drake Aristibule C. A...
aristibule
Sep 20, 2002 8:19 pm
Might have, but somewhere in the East the Patriarchate of Antioch still publishes some service books in Syriac. The possibility is that it is for this...
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Fr. Aidan Keller
orthodoxtexas
Sep 20, 2002 8:28 pm
It should also be pointed out that quite often the Indult parishes of the Roman Church are heavily influenced by the Novus Ordo. Fr. Aidan+ sinner...
