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DARWINISM AND EVOLUTION

gluadys: "What I don't accept is the theodicy of ID—that God really is a stupid,
clumsy, irrational designer."

What you refuse to accept is no part of ID theory, which neither says nor
suggests that the designer implicated by biological designs "really is stupid,
clumsy, (and) irrational." Indeed, those kinds of characterizations of
biological designs - and, by implication, the designer - are made by critics of
ID theory whose grasp of ID theory is weak or non-existent. ID theorists don't
make such characterizations because they don't presume to judge that biological
designs fall short of optimal design (which is a fantasy). Their focus is on
showing in a scientifically rigorous way that design constitutes the best
explanation for many biological systems, structures, processes, etc. As is your
habit in arguing against ID, you're arguing against a straw man of your own
making.

Jim in Vermont

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... Yes, I agree, it is quite absurd to say that some who accept the Darwinian theory of evolution are Darwinists and others not, depending on their theology....
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Jul 30, 2009
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DARWINISM AND EVOLUTION gluadys: "What I don't accept is the theodicy of ID—that God really is a stupid, clumsy, irrational designer." What you refuse to...
Jim Goff
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Jim writes: Even so, once confronted with such facts, Padian is unlikely to admit that he was wrong or admit that there might be something to intelligent...
Pasha
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Jul 15, 2009
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DARWINISM AND EVOLUTION Pasha: "Was this the same Stephen Meyer's article that was snuck through the press without peer review?" Meyer's article ("Intelligent...
Jim Goff
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Jul 16, 2009
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... Exactly. Therefore, Darwin's theory of evolution, a HISTORICAL theory that pretends to _explain_ the NATURAL _ORIGIN_ of species, is an affront to reason. ...
Clare Wilson Parr
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Jul 16, 2009
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... No, the theory of evolution as an explanation of the process of evolution is directly observable in the present. Evolution, of course, does happen through...
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Jul 22, 2009
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DARWINISM AND EVOLUTION gluadys: "...you mischaracterize the theory of evolution.... The theory explains the causes of biological change—full stop. It does...
Jim Goff
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Jul 19, 2009
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... What the theory of evolution does is provide an expectation that there is a history to be mapped and clues as to how it is to be mapped. It does not...
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Jul 24, 2009
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... From: gluadys To: OriginsTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: [OriginsTalk] Re: Darwinism and evolution ... GLU: No, the...
Laurie Appleton
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Jul 23, 2009
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... Johnson overlooks real controversies in evolution and invents pseudo-controversies instead. ... Have you ever, ever, ever read more than that one sentence...
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Jul 27, 2009
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... From: gluadys To: OriginsTalk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:41 AM Subject: [OriginsTalk] Re: Darwinism and evolution ... Glu: Johnson...
Laurie Appleton
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Jul 29, 2009
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... Sure. Johnson totally overlooks the real and genuine controversy over the unit of natural selection. You won't find him speaking of it at all even though...
gluadys
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Aug 2, 2009
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... There's no distinction to "accept." Those who "accept the Darwinian theory of evolution accept" _Darwinian_ theology and _Darwinian_ philosophy, as your...
Clare Wilson Parr
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Aug 1, 2009
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... Not if you read the whole book, Laurie. Btw, you should also be aware that this 1982 book was updated and re-issued in 2000 as "The Triumph of Evolution...
gluadys
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Aug 3, 2009
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... Of course one can. ... Of course it does. Contrary to the pernicious assertion that Darwinism and _evolution_ are synonymous, many, many people agree that...
Clare Wilson Parr
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... On what grounds? My theology is not atheistic; my philosophy is not materialistic. One what grounds can I be a "Darwinist" if that entails an atheistic...
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... Look, you've claimed, for instance, that Ernst Haeckel <<quote>> was an evangelical Christian for most of his life­not withdrawing from the church until...
Clare Wilson Parr
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Aug 7, 2009
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... One impossible thing for humans is reading another person's mind, especially the mind of historical figures. Given our Lord's injunction against judging...
gluadys
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... One thing it is certainly humanly possible to do is read and understand another person's words. Anyone who's read Haeckel's own words [see, for instance,...
Clare Wilson Parr
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... Now that's better. Now you provide information that can lead to an appropriate judgment about the sincerity of one person's profession of faith. But I...
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... Better? _You_, not I, publicly, baldly, and falsely made a totally uninformed assertion. I made a bald INFORMED assertion that I knew long, long before I...
Clare Wilson Parr
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... I didn't drag Haeckel into this conversation. You did. ... And repeating the former irrelevancy still does not answer the question: on what grounds can I...
gluadys
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Aug 14, 2009
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... So what? That I resurrected one of your bald, uninformed assertions to substantiate a claim is irrelevant to whether or not your "Now, that's better."...
Clare Wilson Parr
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Aug 16, 2009
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... Thereby creating a distracting red herring to veil the fact that you did not answer the original question. ... I made a statement about Haeckel based on...
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... The original question: <<quote>> My theology is not atheistic; my philosophy is not materialistic. One what grounds can I be a "Darwinist" if that entails...
Clare Wilson Parr
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Aug 19, 2009
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... That's simply untrue. Scientists have documented the orgin of new species many, many times both in nature and in the laboratory. In fact creating new...
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Aug 21, 2009
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... You see? Two simple understandable words. Why on earth did you waste so much effort in a lot of incomprehensible mumbo-jumbo when you could have just...
gluadys
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Aug 27, 2009
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... I have asked more than a few times HOW a non-telic, autonomous "process of evolution" CAN "express _GOD'S PURPOSES_." What passes for the only "answer" you...
Clare Wilson Parr
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Aug 28, 2009
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... On its own, yes. But is it on its own? That's the question. Who says God is leaving it all on its own? (Other than atheists who have their own agenda.)...
gluadys
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Sep 4, 2009
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... To which _your_ answer is YES. ... That is precisely the notion you have been iterating and reiterating for OriginsTalk readers' "edification" for months...
Clare Wilson Parr
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