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#1998 From: Frank Williams <thewilliams1828@...>
Date: Tue Dec 8, 2009 12:17 am
Subject: Re: A request for prayer for impending surgery.
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Ken,

I will remember you in my prayers. I have gone through, nothing like you
are going through, two prostate infections during the last few months.
Keep a positive attitude! A positive attitude and prayer can really make
a difference.

Yours, Frank R. Williams

Ken Ford wrote:
>
> Fellow laborers for Him,
> This is Ken Ford in Brisbane, Australia. I want to thank each one who
> has graciously prayed on my behalf in view of my ordeal with prostate
> cancer.
> I am asking especially for prayer as I go to hospital for
> prostatectomy surgery on December 11. I am confident that the Lord's
> will will be done, and I love and trust Him. But he knows of my fears
> and my needs.
> In case I don't get the chance to say it this side of eternity, I have
> great love and respect for the brethren I know only via this list and
> through sermons and lectures I have downloaded and listened to. I pray
> that your faithfulness to God and your defence of truth will continue
> and bear fruit.
>
> In our Lord's love and service,
> Ken Ford.
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#1997 From: Ken Ford <kenf490713@...>
Date: Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:55 pm
Subject: A request for prayer for impending surgery.
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Fellow laborers for Him,
This is Ken Ford in Brisbane, Australia. I want to thank each one who has
graciously prayed on my behalf in view of my ordeal with prostate cancer.
I am asking especially for prayer as I go to hospital for prostatectomy surgery
on December 11. I am confident that the Lord's will will be done, and I love
and trust Him. But he knows of my fears and my needs.
In case I don't get the chance to say it this side of eternity, I have great
love and respect for the brethren I know only via this list and through sermons
and lectures I have downloaded and listened to. I pray that your faithfulness
to God and your defence of truth will continue and bear fruit.

In our Lord's love and service,
Ken Ford.


      
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#1996 From: dlpost@...
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:46 pm
Subject: Re: ψαλλω and Musical Instruments
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The author writes: "The New Testament inherits the culture of the Old Testament,
and the later was full of instrumentation."



False. The NT does not inherit the culture of the OT, especialy when it comes to
Chrisgtian worship.

 
The author continues: " The burden of proof would lie on the person assuming
that instruments were not used in New Testament worship, and then it would have
to be proven that the absence is normative for all worship of all time."



The proof is found in the NT, i.e., there is no record of use of instruments in
Christian worship. This, therefore, is the normative in the NT.  



As for the contemporary use of psallo in the first century, here is a good
article from Hugo Mccord:



Psallo and Psalmos
By Hugo McCord


A sincere brother wonders why do we have the right to say that the terms psallo
and psalmos lost all connection to the instrument by the time of the writing of
the New Testament. If the early church was in fact using the LXX [Septuagint,
Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures made by 72 Jewish translators in
Alexandria Egypt in the second or third century B.C.] version of the OT, then
they would be very familiar with the book of Psalms. And since that would be
true, how could Paul's use of these terms be significantly different?

No one has such a right. The terms psallo and psalmos had not “lost all
connection to the instrument by the time of the writing of the New Testament,”
nor since. On the contrary, in the very century in which the NT was written,
psallo could mean “sing” or “play,” depending on what the writer had in
mind. Josephus, in the first century A.D., wrote of some who “psallowed on the
harp” ( Antiq ., 6:8,2), in which example psallo could not mean, “sing.”

I have seen three other examples in print with psallo meaning “play”: (1) in
the first century, Strabo ( Geography , 1:23; 14:2,26); (2) in the first
century, Plutarch ( Life of Pericles , 1:5); (3) in the second century, Lucian (
The Parasiste 17). A second century inscription is cited by Moulton and Milligan
( Vocabulary , psalmos) in which psalmos signifies a song sung with a harp.

Likewise, Paul commanded Christians to do two things: aido and psallo (Ephesians
5:19). If in Paul's time psallo meant “ 'sing' exclusively, . . . with no
reference to instrumental accompaniment (Bauer-Gingrich-Danker, A Greek-English
Lexicon to the New Testament , p. 891, 2nd edition, 1979), and aido meant the
same thing, then Paul was commanding “singing [aidontes] and singing
[psallontes].” Apparently, Paul was commanding both singing and playing.

But on what was the playing to be done? He did not command it to be done on a
harp or psaltery or a timbrel, as the LXX (translated 285-247 B.C.) commanded in
Psalm 32:2-3; 67:26; and 70:22, nor as the NASB (translated 1971 A.D.) commanded
in Psalm 33:2-3; 68:25; 71:22), but “with your heart” (Ephesians 5:19).

If the instrument specified was a harp or a psaltery or a timbrel, the playing
necessarily had to be literal, with each Christian at Ephesus having his own
harp or psaltery or timbrel (as the Hebrew and the Greek and the English
versions of the Book of Psalms specify). But the instruments specified for the
Ephesian Christians were their hearts, on which literal playing was impossible.

Therefore, psallo in Ephesians 5:19 cannot mean “singing,” but only
“playing,” and the playing has to be figurative, that is, “plucking the
strings of the heart,” “with no reference to instrumental accompaniment”
(B-G-D, p. 891, second edition, 1979). The NASB has “making melody with your
heart.”

Thus two things are commanded: (1) singing, external, “the fruit of the
lips” (Hebrews 13:15) and (2) playing, internal, “with your heart”
(Ephesians 5:19). Since the earliest meaning of psallo (strengthened from psao,
to touch) is to strike, pull, twang, or pluck, the translation of Ephesians 5:19
becomes: speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing
[aido] and plucking [psallo] the strings of your heart to the Lord.




A sincere brother wonders why do we have the right to say that the terms psallo
and psalmos lost all connection to the instrument by the time of the writing of
the New Testament. If the early church was in fact using the LXX [Septuagint,
Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures made by 72 Jewish translators in
Alexandria Egypt in the second or third century B.C.] version of the OT, then
they would be very familiar with the book of Psalms. And since that would be
true, how could Paul's use of these terms be significantly different?

No one has such a right. The terms psallo and psalmos had not “lost all
connection to the instrument by the time of the writing of the New Testament,”
nor since. On the contrary, in the very century in which the NT was written,
psallo could mean “sing” or “play,” depending on what the writer had in
mind. Josephus, in the first century A.D., wrote of some who “psallowed on the
harp” ( Antiq ., 6:8,2), in which example psallo could not mean, “sing.”

I have seen three other examples in print with psallo meaning “play”: (1) in
the first century, Strabo ( Geography , 1:23; 14:2,26); (2) in the first
century, Plutarch ( Life of Pericles , 1:5); (3) in the second century, Lucian (
The Parasiste 17). A second century inscription is cited by Moulton and Milligan
( Vocabulary , psalmos) in which psalmos signifies a song sung with a harp.

Likewise, Paul commanded Christians to do two things: aido and psallo (Ephesians
5:19). If in Paul's time psallo meant “ 'sing' exclusively, . . . with no
reference to instrumental accompaniment (Bauer-Gingrich-Danker, A Greek-English
Lexicon to the New Testament , p. 891, 2nd edition, 1979), and aido meant the
same thing, then Paul was commanding “singing [aidontes] and singing
[psallontes].” Apparently, Paul was commanding both singing and playing.

But on what was the playing to be done? He did not command it to be done on a
harp or psaltery or a timbrel, as the LXX (translated 285-247 B.C.) commanded in
Psalm 32:2-3; 67:26; and 70:22, nor as the NASB (translated 1971 A.D.) commanded
in Psalm 33:2-3; 68:25; 71:22), but “with your heart” (Ephesians 5:19).

If the instrument specified was a harp or a psaltery or a timbrel, the playing
necessarily had to be literal, with each Christian at Ephesus having his own
harp or psaltery or timbrel (as the Hebrew and the Greek and the English
versions of the Book of Psalms specify). But the instruments specified for the
Ephesian Christians were their hearts, on which literal playing was impossible.

Therefore, psallo in Ephesians 5:19 cannot mean “singing,” but only
“playing,” and the playing has to be figurative, that is, “plucking the
strings of the heart,” “with no reference to instrumental accompaniment”
(B-G-D, p. 891, second edition, 1979). The NASB has “making melody with your
heart.”

Thus two things are commanded: (1) singing, external, “the fruit of the
lips” (Hebrews 13:15) and (2) playing, internal, “with your heart”
(Ephesians 5:19). Since the earliest meaning of psallo (strengthened from psao,
to touch) is to strike, pull, twang, or pluck, the translation of Ephesians 5:19
becomes: speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing
[aido] and plucking [psallo] the strings of your heart to the Lord.


Doug Post

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