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I have had some success with the high heat engine paint under some aluminum
tape. (the type used to wrap furnace ducting)  Also have used the tape to
protect exposed surfaces of B and C boost gliders.

JCW Boise
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: missilemanmark@...<mailto:missilemanmark@...>
   To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com<mailto:OldRockets@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:11 PM
   Subject: Re: [OldRockets] Paint



   Those type's of paint are good but, Lows sell a paint that can withstand
   temps of 1200 degrees +.
   It's a paint that is used to refinish grills and other high temp fixtures.
   It also wont flake off under high heat like some other paints out there.
   Not sure what colors it comes in. I know they have black, red, silver and if
   I recall white.

   Mark C.


   In a message dated 11/14/2009 12:22:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
   jgraham1971@...<mailto:jgraham1971%40comcast.net> writes:

   You may want to try some automotive header manifold paint. it contains
   ceramic that might be useful. Break caliper paint is good to 900 degrees and
   motor paint is good to 500 degrees.

   Never tried them on rockets.

   Jeff Graham
   _jgraham1971@jgraham1971_
(mailto:jgraham1971@...<mailto:jgraham1971%40comcast.net>)
   www.graphicsjedi.www

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: _mark@...<mailto:_mark%40aerobasic.mar>_
(mailto:mark@...<mailto:mark%40aerobasic.com>)
   To: _OldRockets@yahoogroOldRock_
(mailto:OldRockets@yahoogroups.com<mailto:OldRockets%40yahoogroups.com>)
   Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:01 AM
   Subject: [OldRockets] Paint

   Is there still any heat shielding paint out there?
   I remember buying a small bottle of it from Estes the first year I started
   rocketry.

   I want to shield two strap on boosters of a 1st stge cluster that extend
   (to hold recovery devices) beyond the 2nd stage.

   1st stage - 3 side by side engines - centered booster - 2 sides delayed
   2nd stage - 1 engine - centered - delayed

   Thank Ya
   Mark Barkasy Sr
   NAR 5038

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Those type's of paint are good but, Lows sell a paint that can withstand
temps of 1200 degrees +.
It's a paint that is used to refinish grills and other high temp fixtures.
It also wont flake off under high heat like some other paints out there.
Not  sure what colors it comes in. I know they have black, red, silver and if
I  recall white.

Mark C.


In a message dated 11/14/2009 12:22:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jgraham1971@... writes:




You may want to try some automotive header manifold paint. it contains
ceramic that might be useful. Break caliper paint is good to 900 degrees and
motor paint is good to 500 degrees.

Never tried them on  rockets.

Jeff Graham
_jgraham1971@jgraham1971_ (mailto:jgraham1971@...)
www.graphicsjedi.www

-----  Original Message -----
From: _mark@..._ (mailto:mark@...)
To: _OldRockets@yahoogroOldRock_ (mailto:OldRockets@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: [OldRockets]  Paint

Is there still any heat shielding paint out there?
I remember  buying a small bottle of it from Estes the first year I started
  rocketry.

I want to shield two strap on boosters of a 1st stge cluster  that extend
(to hold recovery devices) beyond the 2nd stage.

1st stage  - 3 side by side engines - centered booster - 2 sides delayed
2nd stage - 1  engine - centered - delayed

Thank Ya
Mark Barkasy Sr
NAR  5038

----------------------------------------------------------

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You may want to try some automotive header  manifold paint. it contains ceramic
that might be useful.  Break caliper paint is good to 900 degrees and motor
paint is good to 500 degrees.

Never tried them on rockets.

Jeff Graham
jgraham1971@...
www.graphicsjedi.com

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: mark@...
   To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:01 AM
   Subject: [OldRockets] Paint



   Is there still any heat shielding paint out there?
   I remember buying a small bottle of it from Estes the first year I started
rocketry.

   I want to shield two strap on boosters of a 1st stge cluster that extend (to
hold recovery devices) beyond the 2nd stage.

   1st stage - 3 side by side engines - centered booster - 2 sides delayed
   2nd stage - 1 engine - centered - delayed

   Thank Ya
   Mark Barkasy Sr
   NAR 5038





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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Is there still any heat shielding paint out there?
I remember buying a small bottle of it from Estes the first year I started
rocketry.

I want to shield two strap on boosters of a 1st stge cluster that extend (to
hold recovery devices) beyond the 2nd stage.

1st stage - 3 side by side engines - centered booster - 2 sides delayed
2nd stage - 1 engine - centered - delayed

Thank Ya
Mark Barkasy Sr
NAR 5038

It was.twice.



- Jack



Jack Hagerty, ARA Press

http://www.arapress.com

"Intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong" -- Carl
Sagan



From: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OldRockets@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Eldred Pickett
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:31 PM
To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OldRockets] (ad) Holiday stuff at Pratt Hobbies





On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Jack Hagerty <jhagerty@...
<mailto:jhagerty%40juno.com> > wrote:
> That's Matt Johnson's "Original Enterprise" model. It's based on a
painting
> in the officers' lounge of the Big E from the first Star Trek movie.
>
>

And it FLEW? That looks SO unstable...<g>

Eldred
--
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Jack Hagerty <jhagerty@...> wrote:
> That's Matt Johnson's "Original Enterprise" model. It's based on a painting
> in the officers' lounge of the Big E from the first Star Trek movie.
>
>

And it FLEW?  That looks SO unstable...<g>

Eldred
--
An easy way to become poor is to pretend you are rich.

http://shops.half.ebay.com/epickett - Books, CDs, DVDs

Wow Chan! Can I get a larger image file of that flight shot (for personal use
only)? Really beautiful!

Scott McCrate

--- In OldRockets@yahoogroups.com, Chan Stevens <chanstevens@...> wrote:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/chanstevens/Thunderbird3#
>
> The electronics failed when it flew at NARAM (was sitting in first after
> static judging), but I'm determined to rebuild it, with a few ideas that
> will make it an even nicer model, including operating aft hatch.
>
> --Chan Stevens

That's Matt Johnson's "Original Enterprise" model. It's based on a painting
in the officers' lounge of the Big E from the first Star Trek movie.



- Jack



Jack Hagerty, ARA Press

http://www.arapress.com

"Intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong" -- Carl
Sagan



From: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OldRockets@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Eldred Pickett
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:06 PM
To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
Subject


What the hell is THIS?
http://naramlive.com/naramlive-2009/naramlive/08friday/george/IMG_7079.JPG

Eldred



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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:41 PM,  <gcgassaway@...> wrote:
> About Chan Stevens' THunderbird 3 at NARAM, Doug Pratt wrote:
>>>>>
> Chan, that's amazing. Do you have any airborne pictures of it?
> <<<<
>
> I got a shot of it just off the end of the rod, on this page on Chris
> Taylor's NARAMlive site:
>
> http://naramlive.com/naramlive-2009/naramlive/08friday/03.html
> or:   http://tinyurl.com/mye9dw
>

What the hell is THIS?
http://naramlive.com/naramlive-2009/naramlive/08friday/george/IMG_7079.JPG

Eldred
--
An easy way to become poor is to pretend you are rich.

http://shops.half.ebay.com/epickett - Books, CDs, DVDs

I find the pictures of the solid booster augmented Saturn V depressing. Just
think of where we could be if we would have continued to pursue space with
4x Titian IV boosters strapped to a Saturn V. We could have put the entire
damn ISS into orbit with one launch. Thirty years ago. Can you imagine the
possibilities? The entire Silicon Valley grew out of the initial Saturn
development cycle; where would we be now? What else have we missed by
denying science and engineering room to grow and expand?



Norman



   _____

From: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OldRockets@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gcgassaway@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:42 PM
To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OldRockets] (ad) Holiday stuff at Pratt Hobbies





About Chan Stevens' THunderbird 3 at NARAM, Doug Pratt wrote:
>>>>
Chan, that's amazing. Do you have any airborne pictures of it?
<<<<

I got a shot of it just off the end of the rod, on this page on Chris
Taylor's NARAMlive site:

http://naramlive.
<http://naramlive.com/naramlive-2009/naramlive/08friday/03.html>
com/naramlive-2009/naramlive/08friday/03.html
or: http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/mye9dw> com/mye9dw

- George Gassaway

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About Chan Stevens' THunderbird 3 at NARAM, Doug Pratt wrote:
>>>>
Chan, that's amazing. Do you have any airborne pictures of it?
<<<<

I got a shot of it just off the end of the rod, on this page on Chris
Taylor's NARAMlive site:

http://naramlive.com/naramlive-2009/naramlive/08friday/03.html
or:   http://tinyurl.com/mye9dw

- George Gassaway


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There's one in my Facebook album on the N-51, but not quite as cool as
Chan's:



http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/album.php?page=1&aid=2024071&id=108445181
6



- Jack



Jack Hagerty, ARA Press

http://www.arapress.com

"Intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong" -- Carl
Sagan



From: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OldRockets@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Vatsaas, Richard D
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:56 AM
To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OldRockets] (ad) Holiday stuff at Pratt Hobbies





Chan, that's amazing. Do you have any airborne pictures of it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Chan Stevens [mailto:chanstevens@...
<mailto:chanstevens%40gmail.com> ]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:01 AM
To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com <mailto:OldRockets%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [OldRockets] (ad) Holiday stuff at Pratt Hobbies

http://picasaweb.google.com/chanstevens/Thunderbird3#
<http://picasaweb.google.com/chanstevens/Thunderbird3>

The electronics failed when it flew at NARAM (was sitting in first after
static judging), but I'm determined to rebuild it, with a few ideas that
will make it an even nicer model, including operating aft hatch.

--Chan Stevens

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Douglas <dad@...
<mailto:dad%40pratthobbies.com> > wrote:

>
>
> Forgive the blatant commercialism, but I've got a few interesting holiday
> things going on at the web site.
>
> I now have three "Let's Do Launch" packages that make good gift sets to
get
> someone started in rocketry. They all include a FullBoost 12 volt ignition
> system that comes with batteries installed, and a Quest Liftoff Launch
Pad,
> so you have equipment to launch just about anything in the future.
>
> Guys, are you as clueless as I am when it comes to finding a gift for your
> Significant Other? This year I got some professional help. I consulted the
> wife of an old friend, who is also an Avon representative, and she put
> together some gift packages designed to improve your domestic tranquility.
>
> Finally, I am giving out a few gifts of my own, something that means a lot
> to me. When I was a kid I was inspired by the old TV show THUNDERBIRDS. A
> splendid new series of novels based on THUNDERBIRDS is now being
published.
> I'm giving copies away with gift orders. All you have to do is tell me
that
> what you're ordering is a gift when you check out, and I'll include a free
> book.
>
> Doug Pratt
> www.pratthobbies.com
>
>
>

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Just added one--go back to that album again.

Photo courtesy of Jon Stenberg, who was enormously supportive of me/that
little project and caught a stunning photo.

--Chan Stevens

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Vatsaas, Richard D <rick@...>wrote:

>
>
> Chan, that's amazing. Do you have any airborne pictures of it?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chan Stevens [mailto:chanstevens@... <chanstevens%40gmail.com>]
>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:01 AM
> To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com <OldRockets%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [OldRockets] (ad) Holiday stuff at Pratt Hobbies
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/chanstevens/Thunderbird3#
>
> The electronics failed when it flew at NARAM (was sitting in first after
> static judging), but I'm determined to rebuild it, with a few ideas that
> will make it an even nicer model, including operating aft hatch.
>
> --Chan Stevens
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Douglas
<dad@...<dad%40pratthobbies.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Forgive the blatant commercialism, but I've got a few interesting holiday
> > things going on at the web site.
> >
> > I now have three "Let's Do Launch" packages that make good gift sets to
> get
> > someone started in rocketry. They all include a FullBoost 12 volt
> ignition
> > system that comes with batteries installed, and a Quest Liftoff Launch
> Pad,
> > so you have equipment to launch just about anything in the future.
> >
> > Guys, are you as clueless as I am when it comes to finding a gift for
> your
> > Significant Other? This year I got some professional help. I consulted
> the
> > wife of an old friend, who is also an Avon representative, and she put
> > together some gift packages designed to improve your domestic
> tranquility.
> >
> > Finally, I am giving out a few gifts of my own, something that means a
> lot
> > to me. When I was a kid I was inspired by the old TV show THUNDERBIRDS. A
> > splendid new series of novels based on THUNDERBIRDS is now being
> published.
> > I'm giving copies away with gift orders. All you have to do is tell me
> that
> > what you're ordering is a gift when you check out, and I'll include a
> free
> > book.
> >
> > Doug Pratt
> > www.pratthobbies.com
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> If you hate this list, then you will certainly not like ScaleRoc, also
> available through Onelist; and you will absolutely detest the NAR's website,
> http://www.nar.orgYahoo <http://www.nar.orgyahoo/>! Groups Links
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Chan, that's amazing. Do you have any airborne pictures of it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Chan Stevens [mailto:chanstevens@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:01 AM
To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OldRockets] (ad) Holiday stuff at Pratt Hobbies

http://picasaweb.google.com/chanstevens/Thunderbird3#

The electronics failed when it flew at NARAM (was sitting in first after
static judging), but I'm determined to rebuild it, with a few ideas that
will make it an even nicer model, including operating aft hatch.

--Chan Stevens



On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Douglas <dad@...> wrote:

>
>
> Forgive the blatant commercialism, but I've got a few interesting holiday
> things going on at the web site.
>
> I now have three "Let's Do Launch" packages that make good gift sets to get
> someone started in rocketry. They all include a FullBoost 12 volt ignition
> system that comes with batteries installed, and a Quest Liftoff Launch Pad,
> so you have equipment to launch just about anything in the future.
>
> Guys, are you as clueless as I am when it comes to finding a gift for your
> Significant Other? This year I got some professional help. I consulted the
> wife of an old friend, who is also an Avon representative, and she put
> together some gift packages designed to improve your domestic tranquility.
>
> Finally, I am giving out a few gifts of my own, something that means a lot
> to me. When I was a kid I was inspired by the old TV show THUNDERBIRDS. A
> splendid new series of novels based on THUNDERBIRDS is now being published.
> I'm giving copies away with gift orders. All you have to do is tell me that
> what you're ordering is a gift when you check out, and I'll include a free
> book.
>
> Doug Pratt
> www.pratthobbies.com
>
>
>


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------------------------------------

If you hate this list, then you will certainly not like ScaleRoc, also available
through Onelist; and you will absolutely detest the NAR's website,
http://www.nar.orgYahoo! Groups Links

http://picasaweb.google.com/chanstevens/Thunderbird3#

The electronics failed when it flew at NARAM (was sitting in first after
static judging), but I'm determined to rebuild it, with a few ideas that
will make it an even nicer model, including operating aft hatch.

--Chan Stevens



On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Douglas <dad@...> wrote:

>
>
> Forgive the blatant commercialism, but I've got a few interesting holiday
> things going on at the web site.
>
> I now have three "Let's Do Launch" packages that make good gift sets to get
> someone started in rocketry. They all include a FullBoost 12 volt ignition
> system that comes with batteries installed, and a Quest Liftoff Launch Pad,
> so you have equipment to launch just about anything in the future.
>
> Guys, are you as clueless as I am when it comes to finding a gift for your
> Significant Other? This year I got some professional help. I consulted the
> wife of an old friend, who is also an Avon representative, and she put
> together some gift packages designed to improve your domestic tranquility.
>
> Finally, I am giving out a few gifts of my own, something that means a lot
> to me. When I was a kid I was inspired by the old TV show THUNDERBIRDS. A
> splendid new series of novels based on THUNDERBIRDS is now being published.
> I'm giving copies away with gift orders. All you have to do is tell me that
> what you're ordering is a gift when you check out, and I'll include a free
> book.
>
> Doug Pratt
> www.pratthobbies.com
>
>
>


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Forgive the blatant commercialism, but I've got a few interesting holiday things
going on at the web site.

I now have three "Let's Do Launch" packages that make good gift sets to get
someone started in rocketry. They all include a FullBoost 12 volt ignition
system that comes with batteries installed, and a Quest Liftoff Launch Pad, so
you have equipment to launch just about anything in the future.

Guys, are you as clueless as I am when it comes to finding a gift for your
Significant Other? This year I got some professional help. I consulted the wife
of an old friend, who is also an Avon representative, and she put together some
gift packages designed to improve your domestic tranquility.

Finally, I am giving out a few gifts of my own, something that means a lot to
me. When I was a kid I was inspired by the old TV show THUNDERBIRDS. A splendid
new series of novels based on THUNDERBIRDS is now being published. I'm giving
copies away with gift orders. All you have to do is tell me that what you're
ordering is a gift when you check out, and I'll include a free book.

Doug Pratt
www.pratthobbies.com

Yeah, I noticed they have some at $9.99 in their clearance section that are
NiCd.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Bob Kaplow <bobkaplow@...> wrote:

>
>
> 7.2v packs are NiCad or NiMH, not gell cell.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Chan Stevens
<chanstevens@...<chanstevens%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Chan Stevens <chanstevens@... <chanstevens%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [OldRockets] Estes Pro launcher
> > To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com <OldRockets%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 12:19 PM
>
> > Tower hobbies, look for 7.2v gel
> > cells, 6-cell pack.
> >
> > --Chan Stevens
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM, jpalillo
<jpalillo@...<jpalillo%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone know where I can get new recharge
> > batteries for the Estes Pro
> > > Launcher? The ones I have can't be charged anymore and
> > Radio Shack does not
> > > have them anymore.
>
>
>


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7.2v packs are NiCad or NiMH, not gell cell.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Chan Stevens <chanstevens@...> wrote:

> From: Chan Stevens <chanstevens@...>
> Subject: Re: [OldRockets] Estes Pro launcher
> To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 12:19 PM
> Tower hobbies, look for 7.2v gel
> cells, 6-cell pack.
>
> --Chan Stevens
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM, jpalillo <jpalillo@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know where I can get new recharge
> batteries for the Estes Pro
> > Launcher? The ones I have can't be charged anymore and
> Radio Shack does not
> > have them anymore.

Tower hobbies, look for 7.2v gel cells, 6-cell pack.

--Chan Stevens

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM, jpalillo <jpalillo@...> wrote:

>
>
> Does anyone know where I can get new recharge batteries for the Estes Pro
> Launcher? The ones I have can't be charged anymore and Radio Shack does not
> have them anymore.
>
>
>


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Does anyone know where I can get new recharge batteries for the Estes Pro
Launcher?  The ones I have can't be charged anymore and Radio Shack does not
have them anymore.

I was the first MESS committee chairman back in 1970 as part of the Standards
and Testing committee.  If MESS forms are submitted and there is a trend, S&T
has a point to bring up with the manufacturer.  As has been mentioned, these
motors may be in the supply line for years before being flown.



One thing we can do is to record the motor code prior to flying (if the motor is
to be ejected in sports flying) or after if there is concern about an over
energetic ejection.  Then the rest of us can see if we have any of the offending
batch and can be very, very careful how we fly them.



Chas



To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
From: doug_man_sams@...
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 00:00:10 +0000
Subject: [OldRockets] Re: 1/2 A Ejection Charges







--- In OldRockets@yahoogroups.com, "tonyl6619" <tonylhome@...> wrote:
>
> What is the deal with the ejection charges on 1/2A engines
> these days? I've had one rocket and three gliders badly
> damaged by the ejection charges, even with blow holes. I
> swear the engines were assembled upside down with the engine
> part on top. Is there any way to identify these bad engines
> by batch number or anything?

Good question, and, unfortunately, I haven't logged any data, although I've had
several of these grenades wreck my gliders. In my defense, the motors usually
get spit out and aren't always readily recoverable.

In addition to the blow holes, I try to sand the edges off the ends of the
motors so they slide out easily. Also, keep the motor tube sanded clean as well.

This issue was elevated with one of Estes' engineers a while back, and he had
never heard of it, so apparently, there hasn't been much feedback given to them.
But I know that several here on this forum have had rockets get trashed.

I think this all started ~7 years ago. Motors can stay in the supply chain a
long time, so consumers can have seemingly new motors that are actually several
years old. Thus, a problem like this can linger for years.

This is a good example of when the MESS process could really benefit us. These
are not just a few isolated incidents.

Sometimes the folks who need to know are the last to find out.

Doug

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I still have my Cirrus, but I lost the original nose cone about 40 years
ago.

astron_art wrote:
>
>
> Hey, Art Nestor here. I've spent some time recently with Irv Wait
> documenting his accomplishments to our hobby & Rocket Development
> Corp. for the NAR Digital Archives.
>
> I'd like to know if anyone here in the Old Rockets community flew any
> of his kits and took photos, had any correspondance with Irv "back in
> the day" or just had anything in general to say or contribute to the
> Archives on Irv or RDC. What have you, but I'm not looking for
> catalogs. Anyone ever fly the Feather or Nova III?
>
> Thanks,
> Art
>
>

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Christopher Brian Deem NAR 12308 TRA 2256 level II



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Hey, Art Nestor here. I've spent some time recently with Irv Wait documenting
his accomplishments to our hobby & Rocket Development Corp. for the NAR Digital
Archives.

I'd like to know if anyone here in the Old Rockets community flew any of his
kits and took photos, had any correspondance with Irv "back in the day" or just
had anything in general to say or contribute to the Archives on Irv or RDC. What
have you, but I'm not looking for catalogs. Anyone ever fly the Feather or Nova
III?

Thanks,
Art

--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Doug <doug_man_sams@...> wrote:
|I think this all started ~7 years ago.  Motors can stay in the supply |chain a
long time, so consumers can have seemingly new motors that are |actually several
years old.  Thus, a problem like this can linger for |years.

Hot ejections on mini motors have been around a LOT longer than 7 years. Maybe
27 years. Maybe more.

--- In OldRockets@yahoogroups.com, "tonyl6619" <tonylhome@...> wrote:
>
> What is the deal with the ejection charges on 1/2A engines
> these days?  I've had one rocket and three gliders badly
> damaged by the ejection charges, even with blow holes.  I
> swear the engines were assembled upside down with the engine
> part on top.  Is there any way to identify these bad engines
> by batch number or anything?

Good question, and, unfortunately, I haven't logged any data, although I've had
several of these grenades wreck my gliders.  In my defense, the motors usually
get spit out and aren't always readily recoverable.

In addition to the blow holes, I try to sand the edges off the ends of the
motors so they slide out easily.  Also, keep the motor tube sanded clean as
well.

This issue was elevated with one of Estes' engineers a while back, and he had
never heard of it, so apparently, there hasn't been much feedback given to them.
But I know that several here on this forum have had rockets get trashed.

I think this all started ~7 years ago.  Motors can stay in the supply chain a
long time, so consumers can have seemingly new motors that are actually several
years old.  Thus, a problem like this can linger for years.

This is a good example of when the MESS process could really benefit us.  These
are not just a few isolated incidents.

Sometimes the folks who need to know are the last to find out.

Doug

.

FIle a MESS report!

On Thu   , 'tonyl6619'  sent:
>What is the deal with the ejection charges on 1/2A engines these days?
>I've had one rocket and three gliders badly damaged by the ejection
>charges, even with blow holes.  I swear the engines were assembled upside
>down with the engine part on top.  Is there any way to identify these bad
>engines by batch number or anything?
>Tony
>
>
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What is the deal with the ejection charges on 1/2A engines these days?  I've had
one rocket and three gliders badly damaged by the ejection charges, even with
blow holes.  I swear the engines were assembled upside down with the engine part
on top.  Is there any way to identify these bad engines by batch number or
anything?

Tony

I think you could try either durams or plaster of paris. Spray a little Pam in
the wraps before making the mold.  Wipe off any extra.

From: doug holverson [mailto:dholverson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:54 PM
To: OldRockets@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OldRockets] vacuum former



On Nov 4, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Vatsaas, Richard D wrote:

> Durham's supposedly does not shrink when it dries. Plaster actually
> grows.
>
What would anybody recommend for pulling a mold off say Centuri Orion
or Skylab wraps?

DGH



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On Nov 4, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Vatsaas, Richard D wrote:

> Durham's supposedly does not shrink when it dries.  Plaster actually
> grows.
>
What would anybody recommend for pulling a mold off say Centuri Orion
or Skylab wraps?

DGH