Dave, I agree with the "outdoor" rule but I would have a hard time letting my animals( if I had some )out in weather we have in vermont. Not every day is bad...
I have to agree with Charlie to where you are located. I am one of the most northeast farmers. I live in Northern Maine 6 hours north of the New Hampshire...
This is my 4th winter outside in northern WI. We know cold. I have a pole shed they can get into when it gets really nasty. They spend most time out on the...
I know it is that time again with all of the New year's resolutions of healthy and happy living! I am chiming in to let everyone know that I have plenty of...
Dave, How much bedding does it take to keep your cows clean in the weather we've been having? And, what happens to your mastitis/SCC in weather like this v....
Mark, When it is muddy like this keep them out on grass and keep them moving. Moving the cows to grass for bresting is lower cost than buildings and bedding. I...
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Chuck Deichmann
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Jan 2, 2007 3:36 pm
Here in Western New York with our clay soil it would be very hard to keep the cows outside all winter, especially this year when the ground has not frozen yet...
Dear Odairy readers, This morning I found this headline on the Organic Consumers Association website: "Boycott Horizon and Aurora" "Does your organic milk come...
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Odairy@yahoogroups.com
Jan 2, 2007 5:15 pm
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Hi Clark, You are right, to compare Horizon and Aurora Dairy to the holocaust is about as low as one can get. Not only that it is not even a good comparison of...
I saw no mention of the holocaust on the OCA website. Obviuosly you are trying to sensationalize this which is pathetic. A concentration camp does not...
Well I guess we should expect Clark and his "spin doctors" to be hard at work. Can someone please point out where OCA used the word "holocaust"? Shame on you...
I agree with Clark and share his disgust at the language used and the depiction that the language wants to encourage. Our media have made commonplace...
"These are concentration camps for hogs. We had concentration camps in Poland once before. We will not have them again. " - Comments of Andrzej Lepper,...
Does Your Horizon 'Organic' Milk Come from a 10,000 Cow Animal Concentration Camp? Did anyone take the time to READ the distorted quote? Regards, Tom Jaszewski...
Hmmm Ed - no mention of holocaust in the article actually. Do you disagree that a confinement dairy looks like a concentration camp? Limited access to the...
I cant speak for the whole of Horizon (cause corporate head quarters in in Clorado and Im in NY) and I dont have any connection with Aurora but I can tell you...
I think grazing cows is the best way and eventually most people will move towards what works best. Also organic management of the soil is best. The dairymen...
Johnny - this isnt about tie stalls in the winter - this is about cows not having access to substantial pasture in the growing season. While there is room for...
My personal preference is livestock operations that aren't confined and that is the way I farm. I know it can be done well and profitably with respect for both...
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Chuck Benbrook
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Jan 2, 2007 10:05 pm
Well stated Ed, and thanks for your good work in creating an informative and positive cyber-place for us to share ideas. Chuck Benbrook ...
I agree, Aliza. There is no more accurate comparison than concentration camps. Also, why does everyone leap to Nazis when discussing them? We have had...
HI RAY , It is good to have another organic expert in the group like you. What processing plant do you work at? You obviously have been blinded by Horizons...
I understand and I don't disagree with you that it's best for cows to have pasture. Pasture is also better for the bottom line, profits. Confinement...
Hi Ed, I agree that Aurora does not mistreat their animals. I just don't think they treat them organically. And I agree with you about working positively and...
Thank You, we are transitioning farmers. There has been a lot of conventional farm magazines and organizations that are debunking Organics and their...
