In a message dated 5/1/99 9:29:02 PM Central Daylight Time,
a0005835@... writes:

> I am by no means an expert, but it sounds to me like you have
>  Seven leafed- Creeper (Parthenocissus heptaphylla). I know many gardeners
> have
>  expressed an interest in getting it up here in my neck of the
>  woods...including me.
>  It seems to be endemic in your area. I haven't come across it here.

I have been dying to get some native plant experts out here--this property
has been in the family for almost 50 years & most of it has been left in the
native state, except for taking care of the two field areas.  We have one
area that has old-growth forest--no telling how old that part is.  The
vegetation is fantastic + don't forget the orchid we found last
month--Corallorhiza striata (Striped Coral-root)!  We have trails all through
the property that follow the deer trails.

We welcome guests any time to roam our 125 acres--just let us know when you
want to come!

Susan

Hi Susan
(you wrote)

>Are there any Virginia Creeper experts out there--my husband reports that we
>have a lot on our property with 7 leaves & that is most unusual/reference
>books--they should have 5 leaves.

>Susan Schaezler
>San Antonio/New Braunfels

I am by no means an expert, but it sounds to me like you have
Seven leafed- Creeper (Parthenocissus heptaphylla). I know many gardeners have
expressed an interest in getting it up here in my neck of the
woods...including me.
It seems to be endemic in your area. I haven't come across it here.

I enjoy the 5 leaf Virginia Creeper (Parthenocissus quinquifolia). I use it
as a
ground cover and it is quite pretty in the late spring and early summer.

Linny Heagy
Linny/Designer, Illustrator
Arlington, Texas

(SORRY, I FORGOT TO POST A SUBJECT ......THUS THE REPEAT OF MY MESSAGE)


You wrote:


>Do you know what kind of moths are attracted to datura (jimson weed)?

I'm sure Suzanne Tuttle could give you more information than I, but I know
on my Datura,White-linedSphinx moths (Hyles lineata) visit at twilight and
night.
Sometimes, you will see them in the day seeking nectar.
They have wingspans of 2 1/2- 3 1/2". Forewings are brown with a
buff-colored band
from near base to tip; veins outlined in white. The hind wing mostly pink,
dark brown
to black near body and along outer margin. Thorax (upper back, behind head)
brown with 6 white stripes.
Abdomen brown with paired dark spots on each segment.

According to the list compiled by Joann Karges that can be found in the new
Shinners & Mahler's Illustrated Flora of N.C.Texas. The host plant of
Datura spp.
is the Pink-spotted Hawk Moth (Agrius cingulata).

Give your Turk's cap some time, maybe it will come back from the roots.
As long as it gets water, it should do fine in the sun, but part shade
would probably
be easier on you. Just got some rain here in my neck of the woods. (Arlington)

Happy Gardening

Linny Heagy
Linny/Designer, Illustrator
Arlington, Texas



(SORRY, I FORGOT TO POST A SUBJECT)

You wrote:


>Do you know what kind of moths are attracted to datura (jimson weed)?

I'm sure Suzanne Tuttle could give you more information than I, but I know
on my Datura,White-linedSphinx moths (Hyles lineata) visit at twilight and
night.
Sometimes, you will see them in the day seeking nectar.
They have wingspans of 2 1/2- 3 1/2". Forewings are brown with a
buff-colored band
from near base to tip; veins outlined in white. The hind wing mostly pink,
dark brown
to black near body and along outer margin. Thorax (upper back, behind head)
brown with 6 white stripes.
Abdomen brown with paired dark spots on each segment.

According to the list compiled by Joann Karges that can be found in the new
Shinners & Mahler's Illustrated Flora of N.C.Texas. The host plant of
Datura spp.
is the Pink-spotted Hawk Moth (Agrius cingulata).

Give your Turk's cap some time, maybe it will come back from the roots.
As long as it gets water, it should do fine in the sun, but part shade
would probably
be easier on you. Just got some rain here in my neck of the woods. (Arlington)

Happy Gardening

Linny Heagy
Linny/Designer, Illustrator
Arlington, Texas

Thank you.  I had never seen one until I lived here.  I just planted more red
honeysuckle last fall.  I guess I will be seeing even more of the hawk moths
now.
Do you know what kind of moths are attracted to datura (jimson weed)?  I have
tried to plant things which do not need much attention (I am a lazy
gardener...work for an hour and then sit and think about what I am going to do
next for an hour) and things which will attract birds and butterflies, toads
(perchance a horned toad) and other interesting creatures.  I planted a turk's
cap
last year, but in the wrong place.  It got the hot afternoon sun from about 3:00
to sundown.  It did ok last year, but I haven't seen it so far this year.  I
guess
the next one will go in the backyard.  The front yard gets hammered since it
faces
west.  We're having a lovely spring this year.  We certainly need the rain.

Stephen or Suzanne Tuttle wrote:

> From: "Stephen or Suzanne Tuttle" <stuttle1@...>
>
> Your lantana-loving insect is a species of hawk moth - probably a
> hummingbird clearwing moth.  They are all over my lantana, salvias, turk's
> cap, etc. in the summer.  Interestingly enough, their larval plants are
> honeysuckles and the caterpillars do very well on coral honeysuckle.  You
> can have a little ecology life cycle going on all in your own yard....
>
> Suzanne Tuttle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnvernon <johnvernon@...>
> To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com <NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com>
> Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 10:40 AM
> Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] Re: Warnock
>
> >From: johnvernon <johnvernon@...>
> >
> >If you want to attract hummingbirds to your yard be sure to plant lots of
> >salvia greggii (autumn sage).  They LOVE it.  I was out cleaning out my
> flower
> >beds two weeks ago and was sitting right by my beautiful sage plant.  I
> heard
> >a thrumming buzz right by my left ear, and guess who was visiting the
> salvia
> >plant?  I am familiar with the noise by now, but am always caught off guard
> by
> >it.  The hummer wasn't two feet away from my head, and I got to get a close
> >look for a couple of seconds.  He flew away because I was too close to the
> >plant.  I didn't expect them to show up so early.  I also have planted red
> >honeysuckle for them, but they do love the salvia.  I usually buy some
> >sad-looking, on-sale, end-of-the-season salvia at Wal-mart.  They are
> pretty
> >tough, especially after they establish.
> >Can anyone identify the large, hummingbird sized insect which loves
> lantana?
> >It is yellow and black striped like a bee.  I can never get close enough to
> >really see what it is.
> >
> >M D Simmons wrote:
> >
> >> From: "M D Simmons" <msimmons@...>
> >>
> >> Brad and NPSOT-NPAT,
> >>
> >> I'm fairly sure I don't have a copy of Warnock's book or a source for
> >> you.  But your post does remind me that I'd like to order a
> >> relatively new book on the wildflowers/weeds/native plants of the
> >> Fort Davis area.  Can anyone recommend one?
> >>
> >> My husband and I will be going on our first Elderhostel trip to the
> >> Ft. Davis Mountains for a week at the end of May/beginning of June.
> >> We'll be studying birds, plants and astronomy.  I've gotten a new
> >> bird guide of the area.  We were just out in the Big Bend/Ft. Davis
> >> area toward the end of '97.  But somehow we never seem to end up with
> >> a good book on plants.  And I'd like to order one before we go.
> >>
> >> In an effort to introduce myself, I live in southwest Houston and
> >> have been a member of the Hou. chapter of NPSOT for a couple of
> >> years.  I'm particularly interested in hummingbirds and planting my
> >> yard to try to attract them.  I'm trying to use natives as much as
> >> possible and a lot of salvias.  I've had some successes, but have
> >> managed to kill a lot of plants.  Unfortunately many of the things
> >> I've been trying to get established in new beds around my house may
> >> succumb to the heat and lack of water before we return.  You can
> >> probably tell I'm already expecting a hot, dry summer here in
> >> Houston!
> >>
> >> Margret Simmons
> >>
> >> On 29 Apr 99, at 22:30, Brad Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: "Brad Smith" <bsmith@...>
> >> >
> >> > I'm still looking for a copy of Barton Warnock's _Wildflowers of the
> Big
> >> > Bend_.  It's out of print and I have his other two books that are still
> >> > fairly readily available.
> >> >
> >> > Anybody know of any available?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Margret Simmons
> >> Houston, Texas
> >> msimmons@...
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I have some Brazos penstemon seeds I'll trade you for the Big Red Sage seeds.
john

Stephen or Suzanne Tuttle wrote:

> From: "Stephen or Suzanne Tuttle" <stuttle1@...>
>
> I have a hummingbird garden, and the very best plants I have found to
> attract hummingbirds are:  Salvia penstemonoides (big red sage), Salvia
> greggii (autumn sage), Anisacanthus wrightii (flame acanthus) and
> Malvaviscus drummondii (turk's cap).  The birds will particularly battle
> over the S. penstemonoides.  If you cannot find it in your area, let me
> know - it makes lots of seeds and volunteers itself quite freely in my
> garden.  I will be glad to send you some seeds and/or plants.
>
> Suzanne Tuttle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M D Simmons <msimmons@...>
> To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com <NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com>
> Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 9:20 AM
> Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] Re: Warnock
>
> From: "M D Simmons" <msimmons@...>
>
> Brad and NPSOT-NPAT,
>
> I'm fairly sure I don't have a copy of Warnock's book or a source for
> you.  But your post does remind me that I'd like to order a
> relatively new book on the wildflowers/weeds/native plants of the
> Fort Davis area.  Can anyone recommend one?
>
> My husband and I will be going on our first Elderhostel trip to the
> Ft. Davis Mountains for a week at the end of May/beginning of June.
> We'll be studying birds, plants and astronomy.  I've gotten a new
> bird guide of the area.  We were just out in the Big Bend/Ft. Davis
> area toward the end of '97.  But somehow we never seem to end up with
> a good book on plants.  And I'd like to order one before we go.
>
> In an effort to introduce myself, I live in southwest Houston and
> have been a member of the Hou. chapter of NPSOT for a couple of
> years.  I'm particularly interested in hummingbirds and planting my
> yard to try to attract them.  I'm trying to use natives as much as
> possible and a lot of salvias.  I've had some successes, but have
> managed to kill a lot of plants.  Unfortunately many of the things
> I've been trying to get established in new beds around my house may
> succumb to the heat and lack of water before we return.  You can
> probably tell I'm already expecting a hot, dry summer here in
> Houston!
>
> Margret Simmons
>
> On 29 Apr 99, at 22:30, Brad Smith wrote:
>
> > From: "Brad Smith" <bsmith@...>
> >
> > I'm still looking for a copy of Barton Warnock's _Wildflowers of the Big
> > Bend_.  It's out of print and I have his other two books that are still
> > fairly readily available.
> >
> > Anybody know of any available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> >
>
> --
> Margret Simmons
> Houston, Texas
> msimmons@...
>
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Are there any Virginia Creeper experts out there--my husband reports that we
have a lot on our property with 7 leaves & that is most unusual/reference
books--they should have 5 leaves.

Susan Schaezler
San Antonio/New Braunfels

Dodder is parasitic - its orange color means it has no chlorophyll so it
gets all its nutrients from its host plants.  We see it commonly on prairie
remnants at the nature center where I work, and you are right - it doesn't
seem to cause any lasting harm to the plants.  It reminds me of spaghetti
squash!

Indian paintbrush is hemiparasitic - on little bluestem primarily I have
heard.

Suzanne Tuttle

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Stone <leeprairie@...>
To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com <NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 3:07 AM
Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] Re: ID help


>From: "Lee Stone" <leeprairie@...>
>
>Sounds like "dodder," which I've only really noticed on relictual prairie
>lands.  Anyone seen it on so-called "improved" land? Don't have my
"Vascular
>Plants of Texas" by Correll and Johnston with me, so can't fill in details
>on the plant.  It might be parasitic, but I've never heard that it was a
>problem.  Aren't Indian Paintbrush parasitic, too?
>Looking forward to more details,
>Lee Stone
>----------
>>From: SusanS3733@...
>>To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com
>>Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] ID help
>>Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999, 3:51 PM
>>
>
>>From: SusanS3733@...
>>
>>
>>I need some ID help--we live near Hwy. 35 & FM 3009/Garden Ridge Area.
>>
>>We have a bright orange vine, crisp, tubular type structure that breaks
>>crisply.  It is growing over some plants we have shredded & is wrapping
>>itself all over the plant with branches of it hanging out all over,
searching
>>for something else to hang onto.  Looks like orange weedeater line chaos &
is
>>very pretty.  Tiny leaves possibly, but hard to see.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Susan Schaezler
>>San Antonio/New Braunfels
>>
>>p.s. for the new members, we have two wild orchids growing here
>>also--Corallorhiza Striata (Striped Coral-root)
>>
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I have a hummingbird garden, and the very best plants I have found to
attract hummingbirds are:  Salvia penstemonoides (big red sage), Salvia
greggii (autumn sage), Anisacanthus wrightii (flame acanthus) and
Malvaviscus drummondii (turk's cap).  The birds will particularly battle
over the S. penstemonoides.  If you cannot find it in your area, let me
know - it makes lots of seeds and volunteers itself quite freely in my
garden.  I will be glad to send you some seeds and/or plants.

Suzanne Tuttle

-----Original Message-----
From: M D Simmons <msimmons@...>
To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com <NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 9:20 AM
Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] Re: Warnock


From: "M D Simmons" <msimmons@...>

Brad and NPSOT-NPAT,

I'm fairly sure I don't have a copy of Warnock's book or a source for
you.  But your post does remind me that I'd like to order a
relatively new book on the wildflowers/weeds/native plants of the
Fort Davis area.  Can anyone recommend one?

My husband and I will be going on our first Elderhostel trip to the
Ft. Davis Mountains for a week at the end of May/beginning of June.
We'll be studying birds, plants and astronomy.  I've gotten a new
bird guide of the area.  We were just out in the Big Bend/Ft. Davis
area toward the end of '97.  But somehow we never seem to end up with
a good book on plants.  And I'd like to order one before we go.

In an effort to introduce myself, I live in southwest Houston and
have been a member of the Hou. chapter of NPSOT for a couple of
years.  I'm particularly interested in hummingbirds and planting my
yard to try to attract them.  I'm trying to use natives as much as
possible and a lot of salvias.  I've had some successes, but have
managed to kill a lot of plants.  Unfortunately many of the things
I've been trying to get established in new beds around my house may
succumb to the heat and lack of water before we return.  You can
probably tell I'm already expecting a hot, dry summer here in
Houston!

Margret Simmons


On 29 Apr 99, at 22:30, Brad Smith wrote:

> From: "Brad Smith" <bsmith@...>
>
> I'm still looking for a copy of Barton Warnock's _Wildflowers of the Big
> Bend_.  It's out of print and I have his other two books that are still
> fairly readily available.
>
> Anybody know of any available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>


--
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Houston, Texas
msimmons@...

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Your lantana-loving insect is a species of hawk moth - probably a
hummingbird clearwing moth.  They are all over my lantana, salvias, turk's
cap, etc. in the summer.  Interestingly enough, their larval plants are
honeysuckles and the caterpillars do very well on coral honeysuckle.  You
can have a little ecology life cycle going on all in your own yard....

Suzanne Tuttle

-----Original Message-----
From: johnvernon <johnvernon@...>
To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com <NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com>
Date: Saturday, May 01, 1999 10:40 AM
Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] Re: Warnock


>From: johnvernon <johnvernon@...>
>
>If you want to attract hummingbirds to your yard be sure to plant lots of
>salvia greggii (autumn sage).  They LOVE it.  I was out cleaning out my
flower
>beds two weeks ago and was sitting right by my beautiful sage plant.  I
heard
>a thrumming buzz right by my left ear, and guess who was visiting the
salvia
>plant?  I am familiar with the noise by now, but am always caught off guard
by
>it.  The hummer wasn't two feet away from my head, and I got to get a close
>look for a couple of seconds.  He flew away because I was too close to the
>plant.  I didn't expect them to show up so early.  I also have planted red
>honeysuckle for them, but they do love the salvia.  I usually buy some
>sad-looking, on-sale, end-of-the-season salvia at Wal-mart.  They are
pretty
>tough, especially after they establish.
>Can anyone identify the large, hummingbird sized insect which loves
lantana?
>It is yellow and black striped like a bee.  I can never get close enough to
>really see what it is.
>
>M D Simmons wrote:
>
>> From: "M D Simmons" <msimmons@...>
>>
>> Brad and NPSOT-NPAT,
>>
>> I'm fairly sure I don't have a copy of Warnock's book or a source for
>> you.  But your post does remind me that I'd like to order a
>> relatively new book on the wildflowers/weeds/native plants of the
>> Fort Davis area.  Can anyone recommend one?
>>
>> My husband and I will be going on our first Elderhostel trip to the
>> Ft. Davis Mountains for a week at the end of May/beginning of June.
>> We'll be studying birds, plants and astronomy.  I've gotten a new
>> bird guide of the area.  We were just out in the Big Bend/Ft. Davis
>> area toward the end of '97.  But somehow we never seem to end up with
>> a good book on plants.  And I'd like to order one before we go.
>>
>> In an effort to introduce myself, I live in southwest Houston and
>> have been a member of the Hou. chapter of NPSOT for a couple of
>> years.  I'm particularly interested in hummingbirds and planting my
>> yard to try to attract them.  I'm trying to use natives as much as
>> possible and a lot of salvias.  I've had some successes, but have
>> managed to kill a lot of plants.  Unfortunately many of the things
>> I've been trying to get established in new beds around my house may
>> succumb to the heat and lack of water before we return.  You can
>> probably tell I'm already expecting a hot, dry summer here in
>> Houston!
>>
>> Margret Simmons
>>
>> On 29 Apr 99, at 22:30, Brad Smith wrote:
>>
>> > From: "Brad Smith" <bsmith@...>
>> >
>> > I'm still looking for a copy of Barton Warnock's _Wildflowers of the
Big
>> > Bend_.  It's out of print and I have his other two books that are still
>> > fairly readily available.
>> >
>> > Anybody know of any available?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Margret Simmons
>> Houston, Texas
>> msimmons@...
>>
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In a message dated 5/1/99 12:25:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
dsimpson@... writes:

> You are blessed, cuscuta and orchids. Wow!

Thanks--that description fits!  It is really pretty & in a huge tangle.  This
area also has a lot of cacti that was uncovered when I shredded the
underbrush.  Another plant found in this area was a form of Passion Flower
Vine, but I don't remember the name--my husband is out with some butterfly
people from Austin right now & he keeps up with the names!

We welcome guests any time--just let us know when you want to roam our 125
acres.  We would also love to get some grass people out here for the prairie
areas.

Susan & Don Schaezler

If you want to attract hummingbirds to your yard be sure to plant lots of
salvia greggii (autumn sage).  They LOVE it.  I was out cleaning out my flower
beds two weeks ago and was sitting right by my beautiful sage plant.  I heard
a thrumming buzz right by my left ear, and guess who was visiting the salvia
plant?  I am familiar with the noise by now, but am always caught off guard by
it.  The hummer wasn't two feet away from my head, and I got to get a close
look for a couple of seconds.  He flew away because I was too close to the
plant.  I didn't expect them to show up so early.  I also have planted red
honeysuckle for them, but they do love the salvia.  I usually buy some
sad-looking, on-sale, end-of-the-season salvia at Wal-mart.  They are pretty
tough, especially after they establish.
Can anyone identify the large, hummingbird sized insect which loves lantana?
It is yellow and black striped like a bee.  I can never get close enough to
really see what it is.

M D Simmons wrote:

> From: "M D Simmons" <msimmons@...>
>
> Brad and NPSOT-NPAT,
>
> I'm fairly sure I don't have a copy of Warnock's book or a source for
> you.  But your post does remind me that I'd like to order a
> relatively new book on the wildflowers/weeds/native plants of the
> Fort Davis area.  Can anyone recommend one?
>
> My husband and I will be going on our first Elderhostel trip to the
> Ft. Davis Mountains for a week at the end of May/beginning of June.
> We'll be studying birds, plants and astronomy.  I've gotten a new
> bird guide of the area.  We were just out in the Big Bend/Ft. Davis
> area toward the end of '97.  But somehow we never seem to end up with
> a good book on plants.  And I'd like to order one before we go.
>
> In an effort to introduce myself, I live in southwest Houston and
> have been a member of the Hou. chapter of NPSOT for a couple of
> years.  I'm particularly interested in hummingbirds and planting my
> yard to try to attract them.  I'm trying to use natives as much as
> possible and a lot of salvias.  I've had some successes, but have
> managed to kill a lot of plants.  Unfortunately many of the things
> I've been trying to get established in new beds around my house may
> succumb to the heat and lack of water before we return.  You can
> probably tell I'm already expecting a hot, dry summer here in
> Houston!
>
> Margret Simmons
>
> On 29 Apr 99, at 22:30, Brad Smith wrote:
>
> > From: "Brad Smith" <bsmith@...>
> >
> > I'm still looking for a copy of Barton Warnock's _Wildflowers of the Big
> > Bend_.  It's out of print and I have his other two books that are still
> > fairly readily available.
> >
> > Anybody know of any available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brad
> >
>
> --
> Margret Simmons
> Houston, Texas
> msimmons@...
>
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Brad and NPSOT-NPAT,

I'm fairly sure I don't have a copy of Warnock's book or a source for
you.  But your post does remind me that I'd like to order a
relatively new book on the wildflowers/weeds/native plants of the
Fort Davis area.  Can anyone recommend one?

My husband and I will be going on our first Elderhostel trip to the
Ft. Davis Mountains for a week at the end of May/beginning of June.
We'll be studying birds, plants and astronomy.  I've gotten a new
bird guide of the area.  We were just out in the Big Bend/Ft. Davis
area toward the end of '97.  But somehow we never seem to end up with
a good book on plants.  And I'd like to order one before we go.

In an effort to introduce myself, I live in southwest Houston and
have been a member of the Hou. chapter of NPSOT for a couple of
years.  I'm particularly interested in hummingbirds and planting my
yard to try to attract them.  I'm trying to use natives as much as
possible and a lot of salvias.  I've had some successes, but have
managed to kill a lot of plants.  Unfortunately many of the things
I've been trying to get established in new beds around my house may
succumb to the heat and lack of water before we return.  You can
probably tell I'm already expecting a hot, dry summer here in
Houston!

Margret Simmons


On 29 Apr 99, at 22:30, Brad Smith wrote:

> From: "Brad Smith" <bsmith@...>
>
> I'm still looking for a copy of Barton Warnock's _Wildflowers of the Big
> Bend_.  It's out of print and I have his other two books that are still
> fairly readily available.
>
> Anybody know of any available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>


--
Margret Simmons
Houston, Texas
msimmons@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Olivia_Kwong@... <Olivia_Kwong@...>
To: native-plants@... <native-plants@...>
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 2:54 PM
Subject: PUB: Planting Foundations Vol. 3, Issue 1


>
>
>The long awaited next issue of the newsletter is now done!  Sorry it's
>taken so long, but it has been a busy past few months for me and I haven't
>had time to finish it until now.  This issue centers on invasive plants and
>there is also some coverage of our 1999 Action Agenda Meeting in Austin,
>TX.  The next issue will come out on time and cover the topic of public
>outreach in native plant conservation, especially efforts including
>wildflowers.  If you're interested in writing an article or having a little
>news item in it, please contact me.
>
>As this issue is our longest newsletter yet, 5 pages front and back, I'm
>not putting the text in this e-mail.  I'm mailing out paper copies of the
>newsletter this week and early next week, e-mail me if you want to be added
>to the list (I think most of you are probably already on the list).
>Otherwise, you can find it in html and PDF formats on the web at
>http://www.nps.gov/plants/newslet/.  For those of you who need it in text
>format in e-mail for some reason, just e-mail me and I can accomodate you
>with that.
>
>Olivia
>SER/NPCI
>http://www.nps.gov/plants/
>
>

Lee,

According to Shinners (1999), Castilleja (Paintbrushes) hemiparasitic
(with green photosynthetic tissues but also parasitizing the roots of
other plants).

I agree with you and Dianne on the ID of Cuscuta (Dodder). In the news
Shinners (1999) covers down to Williamson Co., Cuscuta pentagona is
listed, along with 3 varieties.

Jeff
Ft. Worth

Lee Stone wrote:
>
> From: "Lee Stone" <leeprairie@...>
>
> Sounds like "dodder," which I've only really noticed on relictual prairie
> lands.  Anyone seen it on so-called "improved" land? Don't have my "Vascular
> Plants of Texas" by Correll and Johnston with me, so can't fill in details
> on the plant.  It might be parasitic, but I've never heard that it was a
> problem.  Aren't Indian Paintbrush parasitic, too?
> Looking forward to more details,
> Lee Stone
> ----------
> >From: SusanS3733@...
> >To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com
> >Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] ID help
> >Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999, 3:51 PM
> >
>
> >From: SusanS3733@...
> >
> >
> >I need some ID help--we live near Hwy. 35 & FM 3009/Garden Ridge Area.
> >
> >We have a bright orange vine, crisp, tubular type structure that breaks
> >crisply.  It is growing over some plants we have shredded & is wrapping
> >itself all over the plant with branches of it hanging out all over, searching
> >for something else to hang onto.  Looks like orange weedeater line chaos & is
> >very pretty.  Tiny leaves possibly, but hard to see.
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >Susan Schaezler
> >San Antonio/New Braunfels
> >
> >p.s. for the new members, we have two wild orchids growing here
> >also--Corallorhiza Striata (Striped Coral-root)
> >
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Hello Susan-from your excellent description it sounds like you've got some
Dodder, Strangler Weed, Love Vine, Gold Thread:  _Cuscuta pentagona_ G.
Engelmann. There are three varieties in this region. A few notes from Ellen
D. Schulz- "500 Wildflowers of San Antonio and Vicinity", published in 1922:
"A slender, twining parasite that forms a tangle of orange threads tying
itself to weeds in vacant lots and waste places. Flowers tiny, white,
fleshy, bell-like, in massed clusters at intervals along the curling,
leafless, orange or yellow stems....Plant starts from seed in the ground but
stem soon attaches itself to its host by minute discs that sink into the
tissue of the plant upon which it feeds. The true roots shrivel and die
causing the green plant to feed both itself and the parasite. Indians used
this as a dye-stuff by boiling the vines...."

You are blessed, cuscuta and orchids. Wow!

Dianne
San Antonio

> -----Original Message-----
> From: SusanS3733@... [mailto:SusanS3733@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 4:52 PM
> To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com
> Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] ID help
>
>
> From: SusanS3733@...
>
>
> I need some ID help--we live near Hwy. 35 & FM 3009/Garden Ridge Area.
>
> We have a bright orange vine, crisp, tubular type structure that breaks
> crisply.  It is growing over some plants we have shredded & is wrapping
> itself all over the plant with branches of it hanging out all
> over, searching
> for something else to hang onto.  Looks like orange weedeater
> line chaos & is
> very pretty.  Tiny leaves possibly, but hard to see.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Susan Schaezler
> San Antonio/New Braunfels
>
> p.s. for the new members, we have two wild orchids growing here
> also--Corallorhiza Striata (Striped Coral-root)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Trying out the new site. Also need to introduce myself, as I don't recall
if I ever did! I'm Traci Wyrick, NPSOT member 2 years now and affiliated
with the Belton (Tonkawa) chapter. My husband Tim and I live on about 9
acres south of Killeen, near Florence.
Friends call us "dinks".   Duel Income No Kids. Very clever of them, ha.
Without kids to hold my attention, the beautiful Texas vegetation took
hold. I've learned more in the last 3 years than I did in 12 years of
school, not counting college. Three or 4 years ago I never gave a flower,
a garden, anything growing a second thought. My guess to as what happened
is #1 (I was getting older, maturing, in what life is really all about)
and #2 (my grandfathers gene's kicked in.)
Grandad Schellbach  was a nature/naturalist/birder/insect studier/ you
name it. He was chief park naturalist at the Grand Canyon AZ for many
years. He discovered unknown insects there, and in the 1970's after his
death, got a butte there named after him (Schellbach Butte).
Thus, my fondness of Arizona (Breck)....as I traveled there every year as
a kid.
I'm enjoying learning about and helping this land I'm the current
"care-taker" of, and hope to learn from all of you as we share ideas on
what I considerer "Doing the Right Thing".

Press On!     Traci


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You're very welcome!

Could you please tell us more about the Bexas Nature Preserve System?

Can't help you with the digest thing, I'm to new to it myself.  We place
ourselves in your hands, Brad.

Lee
----------
>From: "Dianne R. Simpson" <dsimpson@...>
>To: <NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com>
>Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] Re: Welcome
>Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999, 12:32 AM
>

>From: "Dianne R. Simpson" <dsimpson@...>
>
>
>Hello Brad, Lee, et.al.
>
>I can see by the "To" address that came up that I am communicating with the
>"joint" group. I like the concept. In fact am thrilled. The high level of
>discussion & variety of interests in this list are the reason I am a member
>of the NPSOT.
>
>By way of introduction, I am a radical native plant advocate. Realistically,
>make that a wannabe. At the moment keeping up with three teenagers is
>challenge enough. Like ya'll know though, the opportunities to spread the
>native word abound.
>
>I do plant rescues with our NPSOT chapter once in a while, but many of us
>are also heavily invested in a fledgling offshoot of the San Antonio Open
>Space Advisory Board: the Bexar Nature Preserve System, an entity that will,
>in my lifetime, be communicating with folks before they bring in the
>bulldozers.
>
>Please see below concerning Brads instructions included here:
>
>> I have gone back to see that each person that was subscribed as
>> DIGEST under
>> NPSOT is still DIGEST under the new list.  For those of you who aren't
>> familiar with this, DIGEST sends you one consolidated message per day with
>> all the day's messages within it.  That way, your INBOX doesn't
>> look so full
>> and, if you're too busy to read any, you can delete the whole thing with
>> just a key stroke.  You can change your own subscription by going to the
>> ONElist website
>
>I haven't yet gone to the site below for help, thinking others may be in my
>situation: I use MS Outlook, which I really like. Easy to organize. All my
>Onelist mail comes to my inbox just like any other mail. I have been
>creating  a rule for the mail to go to a 'Onelist file' as each new member
>signs on. So, it looks like my mail is not being DIGESTED? I will go to the
>address below and get DIGESTED. Thanks a million, Brad and Lee, for getting
>us organized.
>
>All good things!
>
>Dianne
>
> (http://www.onelist.com) or, if you have trouble, Lee or I
>> can help you.
>
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For those of you who had heard about this field trip, it is on - rain or
shine.  We are expecting storms tonight and tomorrow, but this time of year
they are usually at dawn, and of short duration.  The prairie should be
WONDERFUL after rains last weekend. (Sorry I didn't think to put it on the
listserve earlier.  I have my own list of interested people that I usually
email to.  Plus I was occupied with thinking about the merger with us
prairie people.)

Field Trip Details
Details for those who haven't heard about it and are interested:  The
Burleson Prairie may be the oldest prairie restoration in Texas.  We will
meet at 9 AM on I.35, just north of Temple (TX) at the Berger Road exit.
The prairie is 5 minutes from there.  It's a great little prairie that just
sparkles with flowers.  Bob or Mickey Burleson will be our guides.

Bring something to drink, rain gear or umbrella, and maybe an extra pair of
socks and shoes to change into afterwards.  The whole tour will last about 2
hours, so we'll be on our way home well before noon.

If you're in Austin and want to car pool or caravan, I'll be leaving from
3503 Lafayette at 7:45 AM.  (From I.35, go EAST at 38 1/2 St.  Turn right at
the 4th block which is my street.  I'm at the top of the gentle hill.

Lee

Sounds like "dodder," which I've only really noticed on relictual prairie
lands.  Anyone seen it on so-called "improved" land? Don't have my "Vascular
Plants of Texas" by Correll and Johnston with me, so can't fill in details
on the plant.  It might be parasitic, but I've never heard that it was a
problem.  Aren't Indian Paintbrush parasitic, too?
Looking forward to more details,
Lee Stone
----------
>From: SusanS3733@...
>To: NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com
>Subject: [NPSOT-NPAT] ID help
>Date: Fri, Apr 30, 1999, 3:51 PM
>

>From: SusanS3733@...
>
>
>I need some ID help--we live near Hwy. 35 & FM 3009/Garden Ridge Area.
>
>We have a bright orange vine, crisp, tubular type structure that breaks
>crisply.  It is growing over some plants we have shredded & is wrapping
>itself all over the plant with branches of it hanging out all over, searching
>for something else to hang onto.  Looks like orange weedeater line chaos & is
>very pretty.  Tiny leaves possibly, but hard to see.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Susan Schaezler
>San Antonio/New Braunfels
>
>p.s. for the new members, we have two wild orchids growing here
>also--Corallorhiza Striata (Striped Coral-root)
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Attention small business owners:
>http://www.onelist.com
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I need some ID help--we live near Hwy. 35 & FM 3009/Garden Ridge Area.

We have a bright orange vine, crisp, tubular type structure that breaks
crisply.  It is growing over some plants we have shredded & is wrapping
itself all over the plant with branches of it hanging out all over, searching
for something else to hang onto.  Looks like orange weedeater line chaos & is
very pretty.  Tiny leaves possibly, but hard to see.

Any ideas?

Susan Schaezler
San Antonio/New Braunfels

p.s. for the new members, we have two wild orchids growing here
also--Corallorhiza Striata (Striped Coral-root)

> Hello All
>
> This is Niki, the new educational outreach assistant and volunteer
> coordinator at the American Botanical Council.  I am writing to invite
> all of you to a Volunteer Open House and Veggie BBQ that will be
> happening on June 4 from 4-8 PM.  We are developing programs and
> projects for people who would like to help us achieve our goals.  For
> those of you not completely familiar with us I will summarize our
> goals.  ABC is a non-profit organization dedicated to educating the
> public on the use of phytomedicines(botanicals, herbs, and medicinal
> plants).  We do this through our publication HerbalGram, our service
> HerbClip and all of our third party literature and materials available
> through our catalog.  We also tend to answer a lot of questions from
> all over the herb world, many of which I am dealing with.  We are
> hoping to put in some very interesting and fun programs for any of you
> who would like to be a part of us as we grow.
> I, personally, am on the road to becoming a professional herbalist and
> my emphasis is on natives (that includes the local community of
> people).
> We would love to have you come out to the open house. We are starting
> to line up events and if you would like to be kept informed of what is
> going on here and how you can get involved please e-mail me back.  We
> are asking that people register for the open house so that we can know
> how many people to expect and how much food to make.  I am going to
> put together a nickname for all the people who want to be kept
> informed on a regular basis, so remember, e-mail me or call.
> The events for June are as follows:
> June 4 4-8pm, volunteer open house and veggie BBQ-call for
> registration or to receive more information
> June 5  10-5pm, open house to view our rainwater harvesting system
>
> Also, we are in a rushed situation that maybe some of you would be
> interested in helping with.  We need gardeners!  We have a bunch of
> plants to get in the ground as soon as possible and need able bodies
> to do it.  Feel free to call me or stop by to speak with the head
> gardener, Lisa Larousse.  Our gardening program is still in the works
> but right now we just need a little extra help.  If you are
> interested, or have  a friend that would like to come in please call
> me asap.
>
> Feel free to forward this message to others that would be interested.
> Also, please specify if you would like to be on our volunteer mailing
> list, and if you call, leave your vital information.....
> My extension is 132
>
> NIKI TELKES
> AMERICAN BOTANICAL COUNCIL
> POST OFFICE BOX 144345
> AUSTIN, TEXAS 78714-4345
> PHONE 512/926-4900   FAX 512/926-2345
> email: ntelkes@...
> url: www.herbalgram.org
>

Hello Brad, Lee, et.al.

I can see by the "To" address that came up that I am communicating with the
"joint" group. I like the concept. In fact am thrilled. The high level of
discussion & variety of interests in this list are the reason I am a member
of the NPSOT.

By way of introduction, I am a radical native plant advocate. Realistically,
make that a wannabe. At the moment keeping up with three teenagers is
challenge enough. Like ya'll know though, the opportunities to spread the
native word abound.

I do plant rescues with our NPSOT chapter once in a while, but many of us
are also heavily invested in a fledgling offshoot of the San Antonio Open
Space Advisory Board: the Bexar Nature Preserve System, an entity that will,
in my lifetime, be communicating with folks before they bring in the
bulldozers.

Please see below concerning Brads instructions included here:

> I have gone back to see that each person that was subscribed as
> DIGEST under
> NPSOT is still DIGEST under the new list.  For those of you who aren't
> familiar with this, DIGEST sends you one consolidated message per day with
> all the day's messages within it.  That way, your INBOX doesn't
> look so full
> and, if you're too busy to read any, you can delete the whole thing with
> just a key stroke.  You can change your own subscription by going to the
> ONElist website

I haven't yet gone to the site below for help, thinking others may be in my
situation: I use MS Outlook, which I really like. Easy to organize. All my
Onelist mail comes to my inbox just like any other mail. I have been
creating  a rule for the mail to go to a 'Onelist file' as each new member
signs on. So, it looks like my mail is not being DIGESTED? I will go to the
address below and get DIGESTED. Thanks a million, Brad and Lee, for getting
us organized.

All good things!

Dianne

  (http://www.onelist.com) or, if you have trouble, Lee or I
> can help you.

I'm still looking for a copy of Barton Warnock's _Wildflowers of the Big
Bend_.  It's out of print and I have his other two books that are still
fairly readily available.

Anybody know of any available?

Thanks,

Brad

Hi Niki,

I don't think many people who subscribe to this list would disagree that
stopping the bulldozers would be the ultimate best solution.  While we work
on it, let's save as much of the gene pool as we can for the day when we
need to begin revegetating this planet.

Suzanne Tuttle
-----Original Message-----
From: Niki Telkes <NTelkes@...>
To: 'NPSOT@onelist.com' <NPSOT@onelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 10:13 AM
Subject: [NPSOT] Re: Digest Number 114


>From: Niki Telkes <NTelkes@...>
>
>In response (not to shake anyone up or get a big argument started)but I
>think it's a little ironic to say help save the plants, pick them before
>their bulldozed.  I think that it would make more sense to stop the
>bulldozer..............Anyway, it was just a thought.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NPSOT@onelist.com [SMTP:NPSOT@onelist.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 1:32 AM
>> To: NPSOT@onelist.com
>> Subject: [NPSOT] Digest Number 114
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _________
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> _________
>>
>> Message: 6
>>    Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:48:33 PDT
>>    From: "Scott Lenharth" <slenharth@...>
>> Subject: Rescue site alert
>>
>> For those of you in central Texas, this is an opportunity to collect
>> free plants.  The site below will be bulldozed sometime next month.
>> It contains thousands (>100,000 by my estimate) of liatris plants, as
>> well as milkweeds, prairie clover, prairie parsley, calylophus, etc.
>> The plants grow - literally - up to the road, so collecting is
>> extremely easy.
>>
>> Help save the plants!  Please forward this notice as much as possible!
>>
>> Permission from landowner?  Yes (via Rick Rosson of NPSOT)
>> Who can go?  Only NPSOT people?  No, ANYONE can collect plants!
>> When:  any time until construction starts "some time" in May.
>> What can I do with the plants?  Anything - keep/give away/sell.
>> Where:  Halmar Cove, north of Georgetown off I35.
>> Directions:  from interstate 35, take the exit labeled "Georgetown
>> Airport" (Exit 264 I *think*).  Follow the signs to the Georgetown
>> Airport:  drive west one-half mile; at the first intersection drive
>> north roughly one mile.  Just past the airport entrance (which is on
>> the left) is Halmar Cove (on the right).  The rescue site is at the
>> end of this short road.  All area bounded by fences is eligible for
>> collecting - it is a U-shaped area of perhaps 5 acres.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Lenharth [SMTP:slenharth@...]
>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 6:49 PM
>> To: NPSOT@onelist.com
>> Subject: [NPSOT] Rescue site alert
>>
>> From: "Scott Lenharth" <slenharth@...>
>>
>> For those of you in central Texas, this is an opportunity to collect
>> free plants.  The site below will be bulldozed sometime next month.
>> It contains thousands (>100,000 by my estimate) of liatris plants, as
>> well as milkweeds, prairie clover, prairie parsley, calylophus, etc.
>> The plants grow - literally - up to the road, so collecting is
>> extremely easy.
>>
>> Help save the plants!  Please forward this notice as much as possible!
>>
>> Permission from landowner?  Yes (via Rick Rosson of NPSOT)
>> Who can go?  Only NPSOT people?  No, ANYONE can collect plants!
>> When:  any time until construction starts "some time" in May.
>> What can I do with the plants?  Anything - keep/give away/sell.
>> Where:  Halmar Cove, north of Georgetown off I35.
>> Directions:  from interstate 35, take the exit labeled "Georgetown
>> Airport" (Exit 264 I *think*).  Follow the signs to the Georgetown
>> Airport:  drive west one-half mile; at the first intersection drive
>> north roughly one mile.  Just past the airport entrance (which is on
>> the left) is Halmar Cove (on the right).  The rescue site is at the
>> end of this short road.  All area bounded by fences is eligible for
>> collecting - it is a U-shaped area of perhaps 5 acres.
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Clovis:

Your emails are exactly why I subscribed to this list....
Your writing is informative without turning people off by
finger pointing and one sighted solutions.
It is quite clear you have studied this issue from all sides.

Co-existance of man and the environment has never been
an easy road. Man has changed the equation, therefore
it is up to man to find an answer or nature will find it for him.

Thanks again for your informative response.

Linny Heagy
Linny/Designer, Illustrator
706 Ross Trail
Arlington, Texas 76012
a0005835@...

Hi Brad and all, I am here with you on new list.  Welcome!
Breck Breckenridge at Tucson, Arizona USA
The American Gasteria Project
Director, Gasteria and Haworthia e-mail Robins

Brad Smith wrote:
>
> From: "Brad Smith" <bsmith@...>
>
> If you are receiving this message, you are subscribed to the new NPSOT-NPAT
> discussion list.  Congratulations and welcome to a new facet of cooperation
> between these two organizations.
>
> I have gone back to see that each person that was subscribed as DIGEST under
> NPSOT is still DIGEST under the new list.  For those of you who aren't
> familiar with this, DIGEST sends you one consolidated message per day with
> all the day's messages within it.  That way, your INBOX doesn't look so full
> and, if you're too busy to read any, you can delete the whole thing with
> just a key stroke.  You can change your own subscription by going to the
> ONElist website (http://www.onelist.com) or, if you have trouble, Lee or I
> can help you.
>
> As I said before, the old NPSOT list is still active for now.  Please change
> the address that you used to post messages to NPSOT to
> NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com.  I will delete the old list at some point when
> everyone acclimates to the change.
>
> Hope you all enjoy this new project!
>
> Brad
> bsmith@...
>
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Brad,

Thanks to you and Lee for doing all the work of transferring all of us
to NPSOT-NPAT... mine appears to be working fine.

Ollie
San Marcos Chapter

If you are receiving this message, you are subscribed to the new NPSOT-NPAT
discussion list.  Congratulations and welcome to a new facet of cooperation
between these two organizations.

I have gone back to see that each person that was subscribed as DIGEST under
NPSOT is still DIGEST under the new list.  For those of you who aren't
familiar with this, DIGEST sends you one consolidated message per day with
all the day's messages within it.  That way, your INBOX doesn't look so full
and, if you're too busy to read any, you can delete the whole thing with
just a key stroke.  You can change your own subscription by going to the
ONElist website (http://www.onelist.com) or, if you have trouble, Lee or I
can help you.

As I said before, the old NPSOT list is still active for now.  Please change
the address that you used to post messages to NPSOT to
NPSOT-NPAT@onelist.com.  I will delete the old list at some point when
everyone acclimates to the change.

Hope you all enjoy this new project!

Brad
bsmith@...

Lee,

Presently, you and I are the only ones that should get this.  I'll move
everybody else over later tonight if this works.

Brad