I propose the following club project and would like to invite everyone in the Albuquerque area ( and any other NMO members outside of Albuquerque) to take part in this project. If things work out, we can get some new members and current members can take part in a club project.
I propose a trail O meet to me held in the Foot hills Openspace areas in Albuquerque on the new area that we are currently mapping, The project main focus would be inviting the general public out in hope of getting new NMO members.
This meet location is adjacent to the city ( has lots of parking and facilities) and would provide easy access to the general public ( if enough advance publicity is done a good turnout is a real possibility). Meet setup would be very easy as travel distance is with in the city area.
The event would be a trail O that would make it easy for every one regardless of experience level to have some fun.
Time frame: late April to early May 2010. Date to be set after working with Openspace.
Resources needed:
1. We need a mapping team to help with field checking and updating the map that has already been started and is in process. This would be a hands on opportunity to learn how O maps are made. Given the data we currently have, the trails , the LIDAR data that Rick provided, this map can be brought up to a level that could support a trail O, if work starts in January to add necessary updates to the map. ( I plan to do some field checking and map updating over the Christmas break).Learning how maps are made also helps with your orienteering skills. This would be a good hands on opportunity. Anyone is welcome to help on this. Instruction will be provided.
2. Need a meet promotion / administrative team. This team would work with the city parks department ( to get permission) and other agencies ( news media) to get the word out about the meet well in advance of the meet date. This team would also work with the parks department to promote the possibility of the the meet being part of one of there outdoors programs. This could get more exposure of NMO to the general public via the parks news letters and postings on the city websites.
Andrea is currently working with the USFS in getting permits for the adjacent USFS lands for standard off trail O use. The Openspace area's are restricted on trail use only ( will be used for the trail O). If we can get our USFS permits in in time for of the meet ,we could expend the project to also provide one or more standard O courses on the USFS lands adjacent to the Openspace lands. Something for our experienced members to enjoy.
We also need handouts to be designed and to be delivered for posting at the local sporting goods stores to invite the public. Also if some one has contact with the local scouts council they could help invite the scouts to come out.
3. Need a course deign team. Judy is going to run another course setting class at our annual meeting. This would be a good opportunity to do some hands on for anyone interested to learn how to set an o course. No experience necessary as training and help will be provided from members that have already set courses. This team would design all the courses that will be setup on meet day.
4. Need a control placing and control vet team. Need some people that can place the controls on the trails ( could use mountain bikes to reduce travel time at this location since its a trail o) and check control locations. because this area's location, the controls need to go up and get out on meet day. Vetting can take place in advance by marking / checking using trail tape as markers.
5. Need a post meet control extraction team. Remove the controls after the meet (on meet day).
6. Instruction and training team. This team will work with new comers ( the general public) to give some basic hands on instructions before sending them on there way. They would also invite the public to attend out meets at our other NMO meet venues ( have some type of a handout promoting NMO and listing our 2010 meet schedule to give to the public. They also would get contact info for follow-up.
7. Meet operations. The typical meet operations staff in the start finish area I.E. Registration, Map table, Starter, Score keeper etc.
Please let me know if you are interested in helping with this project and what area you would like to help with.
Also please forward this message to others that may not be on the main club email list.
Judy is having some email account problems that is causing access issues to the yahoo group.
So I an passing this message along to the group.
Jerry
From: Richard Opsahl [mailto:opsahlr@...] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:56 PM To: Bev Aikin; Peter Ridlington; Deb Werenko; Gerry Runte; Greg Kendall; Jeff and Cherylyn Heikoop; Mike Hertrich; Jan Bear; Kim Bear; Karen Kendall; Lisa Robinson-Spader; Garth Reader; Martinson's Martinson; mortenp@...; NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com; Moss Aubrey; John Pascal; plaid@...; Rick Kelley; j.bill.carey@...; scott.thomas@...; TREVOR THOMAS; kathy siebe; thiadarling@...; Una Smith; Gerald Boyd; whdonahue@...; yudi.wong@...; ZSProck@...; ROBERT SCHWARTZ; athomson505@...; Robi Mulford; Richard Opsahl; robaikin@...; OSE Aguirre Luis P; Kevin Nichols; Jerry Scott; Stuart Trugman; Jeanette Brasher; Dimid Hayes; Jason Taylor; sagi; jdmccoy@...; scave@...; robi.mulford@...; nunez_l@...; justin.torgerson@...; mschacht@...; wylupshine@... Subject: Fwd: 2010 meet schedule
I'm forwarding on to all those not on the NMO yahoo groups list (and thus those who are will get it again) Jerry Boyd's e-mail about planning our meets for the coming year. To add a personal note to his message, this is your club. It can only be successful if we have meets, and meets can only happen if people come forward to direct them. Actually, meet directing is a mainly organizational task: choosing the location, date, and hours of the meet, getting course setters to set courses, coordinating the courses if there is more than one course setter, getting vetters to vet the courses, and finding help for setting up for and running the meet. The problem we have had in the last year is that most meet directors have also set the courses, which then makes it all a BIG job. It doesn't need to be. However, we need to have more course setters. As usual, I plan to teach a tutorial on course setting at the annual meeting, which usually takes place in January in Santa Fe (as the most central place for our membership). Those interested in learning course setting should plan to attend. You don't have to be an expert orienteer to set a course, but should at least be able to orienteer at the orange (intermediate) level. Obviously, you can't set a course for level course that you do not regularly do. But if you want to improve your orienteering, learning to course set is a good way to do it. It is my opinion that if we have enough course setters, then it will be easier for people to be meet directors.
So consider in what way you can participate the enable our club to have a full schedule of meets. There will be people available to mentor you in whatever task you choose.
BTW, on the schedule below, Peter Ridlington will be directing a Ski O at the Valles Caldera in either late January or early February. We don't have the exact date yet (it depends on the Valles schedule), but will get that word out as soon as we know it.
I just purchased an upgrade for my OCAD to get to version 10 standard.
Ed Hicks of Orienteering Unlimited indicated that OCAD has a policy that provide discounts to additional members in the same club that purchases the same version ( I think it may be around 20%).
According to OCAD no one in NMO currently has version 10 standard (until I purchased my copy). If you are thinking about getting OCAD you may want to contact Ed about the current pricing and the discount.
Something new for people that are only interested in doing course setting using OCAD.
OCAD now makes a very low cost version of the software for course setting called OCAD CS (no map drawing features). That version is very cheep (~ $50 ish depending on the current exchange rate) compaired for the cost of a new license for OCAD 10 standard ~ 560+/- exchange rate.
The maps I made for the last meet at doc long with the pre printed controls ,clue sheets and control descriptions ware generated with the course setting features in OCAD9 Standard.
Both OCAD 10 standard and OCAD 10 CS can do course setting. Starting with OCAD 10 the software can now generate GPS waypoints for each control after you design a course in the course setting mode.
It appears our yahoo group NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com deletes the
attached PDF. Anyone wanting the PDF please e-mail me for it, and
my apologies for the inconvenience.
Thanks,
Una Smith
New Mexico
Some 60 people attended last Saturday's (Oct 24) mini-rogaine, including three JROTC groups. The weather co-operated wonderfully, the controls were well set, offering a variety of options for two and four hour orienteers, and the only glich was that a mother bear and cubs decided to hang out near one of the controls, significantly reducing the number of people who went to that control. Adam Talmage Neill and Peter Stillwell were the top scorers with 880 points. Kudos to them, but extra special kudos also to the second highest scorers, Bear and Timo Schacht, ages 14 and 10, respectively, who racked up 550 points. Full results will be on the website, www.nm-orienteers.org, soon.
The success of the meet was due to efforts of a number of members who did yeoman work despite having many other demands on their time. Special thanks to all of them. Controls were set by Garth Reader, meet director, Una Smith, Dick Opsahl, and Judy Opsahl. Control hangers were Don Siebe, co-meet director and hampered by a pulled Achilles tendon, Garth Reader, Dick Opsahl, and Judy Opsahl. Rick Kelley took all the information, GPS and other, about the location of 49 controls, and deciphered it and placed each accurately on the three maps we used. Several volunteers form RSVP helped with registration and with reading punch cards at the finish, Nan Saponara, Janet Harris, and Ted and Joan Williams. Their help was invaluable, as was that of control picker uppers, Steve Cave, David Siebe, Garth Reader, Dick Opsahl, and Judy Opsahl.
Plans are in the works for a ski O' this winter in the Valles. A notice will go out as soon as we have a date.
I was looking forward to the mini-Rogaine (they are fun!), but I sprained my ankle last week at a cyclocross race. So, no traipsing about in the woods for a while for me :(
-Andrea
I just learned that our mapping coordinator needs to have all pre-registrations for the mini-rogaine in to him by midnight WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 21, instead of Thursday as advertised. So all you procrastinaters who have been thinking about registering but haven't done it yet, it's crunch time. Go on to www.nm-orienteers.org and pre-register for either the four hour or the two hour rogaine. You'll be glad you did. Great weather is forecast, controls have been set, with a variety of routes around to them. There is enough for people at all levels of orienteering to enjoy (and challenge) themselves. For those wanting to come up from Albuquerque the night before, we have one twin bed room and one queen bed room and a queen sized convertable sofa in the living room and will welcome orienteers.
I just learned that our mapping coordinator needs to have all pre-registrations for the mini-rogaine in to him by midnight WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 21, instead of Thursday as advertised. So all you procrastinaters who have been thinking about registering but haven't done it yet, it's crunch time. Go on to www.nm-orienteers.org and pre-register for either the four hour or the two hour rogaine. You'll be glad you did. Great weather is forecast, controls have been set, with a variety of routes around to them. There is enough for people at all levels of orienteering to enjoy (and challenge) themselves. For those wanting to come up from Albuquerque the night before, we have one twin bed room and one queen bed room and a queen sized convertable sofa in the living room and will welcome orienteers.
Hey, all you potential mini-rogainers,
The website, www.nm-orienteers.org, can now accept pre-registrations
for the mini-rogaine. You don't want to miss this event, but you do
have to pre-register in order to get a pre-printed map. We need your
registration by Thursday night, Oct 22, at the very latest. If you've
never done a rogaine event, come try it. It's fun. If you are
concerned about your skill level, be assured that most of the controls
are at the intermediate level (which means they are at not difficult
to find features), but some will be at the beginning level, and some
will be more challenging aimed at advanced orienteers. We're putting
more controls in areas with few downed trees and fewer controls in
area of considerable downed trees. You can pre-register on the
website, but there isn't time to get payments in advance, so you will
pay at the meet.
BTW all participants need to arrive at the start at least 1/2 hour
(that is, at least 30 minutes) before their start to sign waivers (I
will try to send all pre-registrants a waiver attached to an e-mail,
but may not get everyone), and to pay, and then get your map in time
to study it and plan your route.
As always, we can't do a meet of this scale without people pitching in
to help. We need several people to help set up (which will NOT
interfere with your participating in the meet), several more to help
with check-in, taking payments, and handing out maps. If some who are
doing the two hour rogaine can come help with check-in of the four
hour rogainers, and then can help with tallying finish points. We can
arrange that you get your map at 10:30, go out at 11:00, and be back
at 1:00 PM, so you can both help and do the rogaine. Consider that
possibility. We can use the help, and you can still go out for two
hours. Helpers will need to pre-register, because otherwise we won't
have a map for you. E-mail meet director, Garth Reader,
<ger@...>, or <lisaandgarth@...> if you can lend a hand in any
capacity.
Judy Opsahl
Just a reminder to you all that our mini-rogaine will be Saturday,
October 24 at the Pajarito Trailhead parking lot (just west of the
Sportsman's Club. Directions are on the Website). For those who don't
know a rogaine is a form of orienteering where there are no set
courses, but each control has a point value. Participants go out for a
set period of time (in this meet for 2 hours or 4 hours) and get as
many points as they can. You lose points for each minute you are back
late, so planning your route so you get back on time are important.
The four hour rogaine will begin at 10 AM and the 2 hour rogaine will
begin at 12 noon. All participants must be back by 2PM (or you lose
points). There will be coffee, ERG, water, and snacks and sandwich
makings at the start throughout the meet, so people can drop by the
start on their route to another section of the map and grab something
to eat.
Fees are $20 per person/2 member team/family group. PREREGISTRATION IS
REQUIRED, since we need to know how many maps to pre-print (You really
don't want to have to copy 50 controls on the map in the time between
when you get your map and when you have to start). The website will
have a pre-registration form in a day or so, but in the meantime you
can e-mail me the data: name(s) address(es), age(s) gender, and course
you will be on.
This year we will use the Rendija South, Lower Rendija, and Bayo
Canyon maps. We've added Bayo Canyon and eliminated and area of
particularly dense downed trees. :-)
If anyone would like to hang controls where the control setter has put
out ribbons, let me or Garth Reader, lisaandgarth@..., or ger@...
, know. If someone can't make the mini-rogaine but has time ahead of
time, this would be a good way to experience part of the controls. We
also will need help with check in and handing out maps (we may have
three different JROTC groups here for the meet) and at 2Pm checking
everyone's control cards. And, of course, at the end picking up
controls. Many thanks in advance to all who volunteer to help.
Judy Opsahl
About 60 people participated in last Saturday's meet, including 33
JROTC cadets from Moriarty, the weather cooperated, and everyone
enjoyed their courses. Kudos to Una Smith, who did a fantastic job of
setting up the complex combination of regular beginning and
intermediate courses plus a score O'. Judy Opsahl held a tutorial on
how to orienteer cross country, and the participants all successfully
completed the orange course. Kudos to Bear and Timo Schacht, ages 13
and 9, respectively, who completed the orange course on their own
after the tutorial. Several participants came quite a distance for the
meet; Robert and Edna Schwartz from Bushland, TX, and John Pascal from
Farmington.
As always it takes many helpers to run a successful meet. We are
always grateful for people who volunteer to help. Una set the white
and yellow courses with the help of Bear and Timo Schacht and Una also
set the Score O'. Judy Opsahl set the orange course. Vetters were Tami
and Drew Martenson, who also helped with set up, Dick Opsahl, who also
helped with set up, and Judy Opsahl. Luis Aguirre and Laura Nunez and
Judy Opsahl helped with starts and finishes, and Robi Mulford, Steve
Cave, and Jeff Hunker and Kelly Ray helped pick up controls. Many
thanks to all.
A number of new members joined at the meet. We want to welcome back
Steve Cave, returning after being sidelined from back surgery. It's
good to see you back, Steve. We also welcome new members Laura Nunez
from Albuquerque and the Justin Torgerson family from Los Alamos. A
hearty welcome to you all.
Our next meet is the mini-rogaine on Oct 24th. For those who don't
know, a mini-rogaine is a form of score orienteering in which there
are no set courses, but controls are scattered throughout the map,
each with a point value. Participants go out for a set period of time
(for the Oct 24 meet, for 2 hours or for 4 hours) and get as many
points as they can in that time period. There are penalties for
getting back late. Controls will be set at various degrees of
difficulty, so that inexperienced as well as experienced orienteers
can take part. PREREGISTRATION WILL BE REQUIRED. Further details will
be forthcoming soon, and you will be notified when preregistration is
open. Meanwhile, save the date. This is a popular event, and you don't
want to miss it.
Judy Opsahl
We are in great need of volunteers to vet courses and hang controls.
Vetting and hanging can be done together, on the Orange course and
Score O. The White and Yellow courses are set already, but because
they are on trails we hang the control flags late Friday or first
thing Saturday. And to allow time to make corrections, it is best
if those courses are vetted in advance.
If you are willing and able to vet and/or hang controls on Thursday,
Friday, or Saturday morning, please e-mail me.
Course setting has been done by myself, Judy Opsahl, Timo Schacht,
and Bear Schacht. Laura Nunez and Luis Pedro Aguirre will help run
the meet on Saturday. Judy will be teaching orienteers how to move
up from White and Yellow (beginner) to Orange (intermediate) level
orienteering. I will direct the meet. Jerry Boyd (NMO president)
will bring a box of new cool stuff for prizes. Tami Martinson will
deliver our bulky equipment.
Judging by e-mail queries I have received so far, this meet will
have a large turnout, including more than usual numbers of visiting
orienteers from out of town and out of state. Please do what you
can to help to make Saturday a great success for everyone.
Thanks!
Una
A reminder to all that we are having two important, separate, but linked O' events this Saturday:
1. A regular O' meet plus Score O'. In the regular meet, white, yellow, and orange courses have been set. More advanced participants can try their skills on a 90 minute Score O' (a form of orienteering where, rather than going out on a set course, you go out for a set period of time. Each control has a point value, and the person who gets the most points in the least amount of time wins). The Score O will have staggered starts, just as the regular orienteering will have. The Score O' controls will have varying degrees of difficulty, but most will emphasize technical rather than physical challenge. The 90 minute time limit is generous, to allow slower runners/walkers to have a good chance of getting all the controls. This is excellent preparation for the Mini-Rogaine in October, so come and sharpen your skills in control finding.
The meet will be on Sept 19th, from 10 AM to 2 PM at the Pajarito Trailhead Parking lot (west of the Sportsman's Club--directions on the website, www.nm-orienteers.org, click on 'Locations' and scroll down to Rendija/Pajarito Trailhead), with starts for both the regular courses and the Score O' from 10 AM to 12 noon. Una Smith is meet director. Instruction will be offered to all newcomers, so come and bring someone you would like to introduce to orienteering.
2. Judy Opsahl is offering a tutorial on how to orienteer cross country. It is designed for people who have done beginning courses (white and yellow) and would like to move up to intermediate and advanced courses. The tutorial will be from 9 AM to 11AM on Sept 19th in the Opsahl home on Barranca Mesa (directions also on the Website, www.nm-orienteers.org, under 'locations'. Scroll down to Opsahl Home). This will allow participants to then go to meet, getting there in plenty of time to go out on the orange (intermediate) course or try the Score O', using your new-found skills. PRE-REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED. The tutorial is limited to 10 persons, and there is a $5 fee for materials. Participants are requested to bring a compass if they have one, a hat, walking or running shoes, and a snack. Those going on to the meet will need to bring water. Pre-register by e-mailing Una Smith, una.smith@.... or Judy Opsahl, opsahl@.... Please state on your pre-registration whether you will go to the O' meet after the class.
To do all this requires some help. A meet cannot be run without helpers. Please contact Una (una.smith@...) if you can help with control hanging or vetting (ahead of time), or registration, starts, instruction, or finish results (at the meet). No matter what task you help with, you will still be able to orienteer, and your time helping is you meet fee payment. if everyone pitches in doing something, we have a successful meet.
I was thinking about planning an actual Trail O for a more advanced level, so we could have a longer course for more advanced participants yet stay on the trails. Also, as an experiment in planning a Trail O for handicapped/impaired folks.
Have fun in England!!!! I'm jealous!
-Andrea
To: NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com From: opsahl@... Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:36:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [NMOrienteers] Possible Trail O & call for volunteers
Trail O is the wrong term to use, since that is a specific form of orienteering originally set up for handicapped or lwalking impaired people, but now praciticed by many regular orienteers, in which the participant stays on a trail, and controls are hung in sets of three, maybe20-50 feet from the trail. Only one of the three is the one on the map. Participants go to marked viewing pint for each control det and try to determine which is the correct control. To avoid confusion with the real Trail O, it would be better just to call it a beginning O course, or something like that.
Judy O from the Coast to Cpast trail in England.
On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Gerald Boyd wrote:
All
Update on possible next weekend meet.
If we can get some volunteers there is a possibility that we can have a trail O event to introduce orienteering to beginners.
A decision to have or not have the meet will be made early next week (based on volunteer response).
Time is short but because this is a trail O it is still possible to pull on short notice if Andrea and I can get enough help.
The announcement ( go or no go) will be made on the 25th.
The following is info on the proposed meet.
Proposed date Saturday August 29th.
Meet type: A trail O in the Elena Gallegos open space area on the west side of the Sandia mountains. If we get enough help it may be possible to make this a long course.We can not place controls in advance they have to go up on meet day and get out on meet day.
First start ( based on amount of help to get controls in) 10 - 10:30ish
Start location (TBA) map will be posted via email if decided to proceed on the 25th.
The map is a draft base map that has been a work in process for about a year. Contour data has been provided by Rick Kelley and trail and feature mapping has been done by Jerry Boyd. Note this map is not yet to complete IOF standards, is a work in process but is good enough for a trail O.
Additional notes: all activity inside the Elena Gallegos city of Albuquerque Openspace must be conduced on trail. No cross country travel is permitted in the park. There is a day use fee for parking in the park.
Our club has applied with the USFS for a use permit for USFS lands adjacent to this area. That will be a possible future site for standard orienteering courses and will be mapped when we get a permit.
If you can assist with the meet please send an email indicating that you can help with meet operations. Also please indicate what area you can assist with.
If you would be interested in attending the meet as an attendee ( run the course) please let us know as it would help to get a head count.
Trail O is the wrong term to use, since that is a specific form of orienteering originally set up for handicapped or lwalking impaired people, but now praciticed by many regular orienteers, in which the participant stays on a trail, and controls are hung in sets of three, maybe20-50 feet from the trail. Only one of the three is the one on the map. Participants go to marked viewing pint for each control det and try to determine which is the correct control. To avoid confusion with the real Trail O, it would be better just to call it a beginning O course, or something like that.
Judy O from the Coast to Cpast trail in England.
On Aug 21, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Gerald Boyd wrote:
All
Update on possible next weekend meet.
If we can get some volunteers there is a possibility that we can have a trail O event to introduce orienteering to beginners.
A decision to have or not have the meet will be made early next week (based on volunteer response).
Time is short but because this is a trail O it is still possible to pull on short notice if Andrea and I can get enough help.
The announcement ( go or no go) will be made on the 25th.
The following is info on the proposed meet.
Proposed date Saturday August 29th.
Meet type: A trail O in the Elena Gallegos open space area on the west side of the Sandia mountains. If we get enough help it may be possible to make this a long course.We can not place controls in advance they have to go up on meet day and get out on meet day.
First start ( based on amount of help to get controls in) 10 - 10:30ish
Start location (TBA) map will be posted via email if decided to proceed on the 25th.
The map is a draft base map that has been a work in process for about a year. Contour data has been provided by Rick Kelley and trail and feature mapping has been done by Jerry Boyd. Note this map is not yet to complete IOF standards, is a work in process but is good enough for a trail O.
Additional notes: all activity inside the Elena Gallegos city of Albuquerque Openspace must be conduced on trail. No cross country travel is permitted in the park. There is a day use fee for parking in the park.
Our club has applied with the USFS for a use permit for USFS lands adjacent to this area. That will be a possible future site for standard orienteering courses and will be mapped when we get a permit.
If you can assist with the meet please send an email indicating that you can help with meet operations. Also please indicate what area you can assist with.
If you would be interested in attending the meet as an attendee ( run the course) please let us know as it would help to get a head count.
From: NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrea Carvey Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:20 PM To: NewMexico Orienteers Subject: RE: [NMOrienteers] Possible Trail O & call for volunteers
Can/should I forward this to NMARC? -Andrea
To: NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com From: wb8wfk@... Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:33:07 -0600 Subject: [NMOrienteers] Possible Trail O & call for volunteers
All
Update on possible next weekend meet.
If we can get some volunteers there is a possibility that we can have a trail O event to introduce orienteering to beginners.
A decision to have or not have the meet will be made early next week (based on volunteer response).
Time is short but because this is a trail O it is still possible to pull on short notice if Andrea and I can get enough help.
The announcement ( go or no go) will be made on the 25th.
The following is info on the proposed meet.
Proposed date Saturday August 29th.
Meet type: A trail O in the Elena Gallegos open space area on the west side of the Sandia mountains. If we get enough help it may be possible to make this a long course. We can not place controls in advance they have to go up on meet day and get out on meet day.
First start ( based on amount of help to get controls in) 10 - 10:30ish
Start location (TBA) map will be posted via email if decided to proceed on the 25th.
The map is a draft base map that has been a work in process for about a year. Contour data has been provided by Rick Kelley and trail and feature mapping has been done by Jerry Boyd. Note this map is not yet to complete IOF standards, is a work in process but is good enough for a trail O.
Additional notes: all activity inside the Elena Gallegos city of Albuquerque Openspace must be conduced on trail. No cross country travel is permitted in the park. There is a day use fee for parking in the park.
Our club has applied with the USFS for a use permit for USFS lands adjacent to this area. That will be a possible future site for standard orienteering courses and will be mapped when we get a permit.
If you can assist with the meet please send an email indicating that you can help with meet operations. Also please indicate what area you can assist with.
If you would be interested in attending the meet as an attendee ( run the course) please let us know as it would help to get a head count.
To: NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com From: wb8wfk@... Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:33:07 -0600 Subject: [NMOrienteers] Possible Trail O & call for volunteers
All
Update on possible next weekend meet.
If we can get some volunteers there is a possibility that we can have a trail O event to introduce orienteering to beginners.
A decision to have or not have the meet will be made early next week (based on volunteer response).
Time is short but because this is a trail O it is still possible to pull on short notice if Andrea and I can get enough help.
The announcement ( go or no go) will be made on the 25th.
The following is info on the proposed meet.
Proposed date Saturday August 29th.
Meet type: A trail O in the Elena Gallegos open space area on the west side of the Sandia mountains. If we get enough help it may be possible to make this a long course. We can not place controls in advance they have to go up on meet day and get out on meet day.
First start ( based on amount of help to get controls in) 10 - 10:30ish
Start location (TBA) map will be posted via email if decided to proceed on the 25th.
The map is a draft base map that has been a work in process for about a year. Contour data has been provided by Rick Kelley and trail and feature mapping has been done by Jerry Boyd. Note this map is not yet to complete IOF standards, is a work in process but is good enough for a trail O.
Additional notes: all activity inside the Elena Gallegos city of Albuquerque Openspace must be conduced on trail. No cross country travel is permitted in the park. There is a day use fee for parking in the park.
Our club has applied with the USFS for a use permit for USFS lands adjacent to this area. That will be a possible future site for standard orienteering courses and will be mapped when we get a permit.
If you can assist with the meet please send an email indicating that you can help with meet operations. Also please indicate what area you can assist with.
If you would be interested in attending the meet as an attendee ( run the course) please let us know as it would help to get a head count.
If we can get some volunteers there is a possibility that we can have a trail O event to introduce orienteering to beginners.
A decision to have or not have the meet will be made early next week (based on volunteer response).
Time is short but because this is a trail O it is still possible to pull on short notice if Andrea and I can get enough help.
The announcement ( go or no go) will be made on the 25th.
The following is info on the proposed meet.
Proposed date Saturday August 29th.
Meet type: A trail O in the Elena Gallegos open space area on the west side of the Sandia mountains. If we get enough help it may be possible to make this a long course. We can not place controls in advance they have to go up on meet day and get out on meet day.
First start ( based on amount of help to get controls in) 10 - 10:30ish
Start location (TBA) map will be posted via email if decided to proceed on the 25th.
The map is a draft base map that has been a work in process for about a year. Contour data has been provided by Rick Kelley and trail and feature mapping has been done by Jerry Boyd. Note this map is not yet to complete IOF standards, is a work in process but is good enough for a trail O.
Additional notes: all activity inside the Elena Gallegos city of Albuquerque Openspace must be conduced on trail. No cross country travel is permitted in the park. There is a day use fee for parking in the park.
Our club has applied with the USFS for a use permit for USFS lands adjacent to this area. That will be a possible future site for standard orienteering courses and will be mapped when we get a permit.
If you can assist with the meet please send an email indicating that you can help with meet operations. Also please indicate what area you can assist with.
If you would be interested in attending the meet as an attendee ( run the course) please let us know as it would help to get a head count.
Two in Kansas City and one in Oakland and another in Texas.
The number of controls very. One map in Kansas City 1:15000 has over 70 markers ( purchase the map at park office) there was a 6 page handout that came with the map that recommended some courses ( and control numbers ) from easy short to hard long. This was a very large park with a lake in the middle. The markers were small ~ 3X5 metal plates with a number on them.
The 2nd map in KC 1:5000 was a very small area and had 12 controls. Since most controls are away (off out of sight from the trail)I would rate it between a hard yellow to a vary easy orange. The markers were small ~ 3X5 metal plates with a number on them.
The Map in Oakland and instructions can be downloaded from the web at http://www.orienteer.com/poc.htm an example of a web based package. Map scale is 1:7500. Has the best markers I have seen. A wood pole version of an orienteering marker with 2 letter control code on top.
The map in Texas was purchased on the way to the airport after the 2008 national ARDF meet. It has 120 controls on it. 1:15000 scale on 11X17. instructions and recommended courses pre-printed on the backside. the markers looked like the brown fiberglass trail markers in some forest areas around NM. Came across some of them while on the ARDF course.
If we decided to do the web based version we could do pre-printed courses for different levels and only show the controls for the course in use.
Ocad 9 does a nice job of putting the clue cards on the map. Also cad put text clue for white. examples from the last doc long meet are attached.
For a basic course ( white and yellow) we could provide instructions to guide the person along the course.
for a paper version purchased at a park office of kiosk we could show all the controls and have a handout ( or print on the backside) the recommended courses.
I have been taking co-workers out to the courses in KC and Oakland and they enjoyed them. Have one co-worker that came to the Doc long meet. I think this could be something good to attract new members.
If the doc long examples dont make through yahoo it I can send direct.
Jerry
From: NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Opsahl Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:29 PM To: NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [NMOrienteers] possible club project
Those who have experience with permanent O' course can reply. What level is the course? Is there a set course, or just a batch of controls set out for people to find in any order. If the latter, controls could be different degrees of difficulty. How many controls are there usually?
Judy O
On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:22 AM, Una Smith wrote:
I think a permanent course could be a great recruiting tool and learning tool as well. But I do have one concern: I have heard so many comments about permanent courses being boring. I suspect the courses in question are WHITE level courses. Would it be necessary to have more than one course on the same map?
Another possible location is the area around the Santa Fe headquarters of New Mexico Game and Fish. That is west of Santa Fe, near the growing municipal outdoor recreation area on Caja del Rio road. NMG&F has a huge PR machine: magazine insert in local newspapers statewide, TV program, display ads on the sides of city busses, school program, and point of sale marketing opportunities. (Last year they told me they would be holding an expo there this September, but I have heard nothing more from them.)
Hello, fellow orienteers! We have an exciting day planned for
Saturday, Sept 19th.
1. Una Smith is planning an interesting O' meet. She will have a
regular meet, with white, yellow, and orange courses, and a
simultaneous Score O'. A Score O', for those who don't know is a form
of orienteering where, rather than going out on a set course, you go
out for a set period of time (in this meet, 90 minutes). Each control
has a point value, and the person who gets the most points in the
least amount of time wins. The Score O will have staggered starts,
just as the regular orienteering will have. The Score O' controls will
have varying degrees of difficulty, but most will emphasize technical
rather than physical challenge. The 90 minute time limit is generous,
to allow slower runners/walkers to have a good chance of getting all
the controls. This is excellent preparation for the Mini-Rogaine in
October, so come and sharpen your skills in control finding.
The meet will be on Sept 19th, from 10 AM to 2 PM at the Pajarito
Trailhead Parking lot (west of the Sportsman's Club--directions on the
website, www.nm-orienteers.org), with starts for both the regular
courses and the Score O' from 10 AM to 12 noon. Instruction will be
offered to all newcomers, so come and bring someone you would like to
introduce to orienteering.
2. Judy Opsahl is offering a tutorial on how to orienteer cross
country. It is designed for people who have done beginning courses
(white and yellow) and would like to move up to intermediate and
advanced courses. The tutorial will be from 9 AM to 11AM on Sept 19th
in the Opsahl home on Barranca Mesa. This will allow participants to
then go to meet, getting there in plenty of time to go out on the
orange (intermediate) course or try the Score O', using your new-found
skills. PRE-REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED. The tutorial is limited to 10
persons, and there is a $5 fee for materials. Participants are
requested to bring a compass if they have one, a hat, walking or
running shoes, and a snack. Those going on to the meet will need to
bring water. Pre-register by e-mailing Una Smith, una.smith@....
She will collect the pre-registrations and forward them to Judy.
Please state on your pre-registration whether you will go to the O'
meet after the class.
To do all this requires some help. A meet cannot be run without
helpers. Please contact Una (una.smith@...) if you can help with
control hanging or vetting (ahead of time), or registration, starts,
instruction, or finish results (at the meet). No matter what task you
help with, you will still be able to orienteer, and your time helping
is you meet fee payment. if everyone pitches in doing something, we
have a successful meet.
Judy Opsahl
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 02:57:10AM +0000, Greg Kendall wrote:
>I proposed it at the annual meeting two years ago in Santa fe and it was
defeated. Una lead the charge to crush the idea.
That's not what I remember. Who has the minutes from that meeting?
I guess the first question about maps is are they to be purchased
or free? If printed maps are to be purchased, I recommend selling
them to the visitor center, and letting the visitor center sell
them on to visitors. Just as Dorothy Hoard's LA Jeep Trails map
is sold there. The advantage of the visitor center over the pool
is the visitor center gets far more visits from people looking for
something to do, and the visitor center has more display space.
They also have the town maps, so can show a visitor how to get to
Bayo Canyon. The pool would work only for people who go there
already knowing they want to try orienteering the permanent course
and need a map. They could be sent there from our website or a
poster at the trailhead.
Maps free online works for me, since the one who downloads it then
pays the cost of color printing and has the option of B&W printing.
And there are costs involved in collecting payment online, even
when PayPal is working well for us. Keep it simple.
Location. Bayo Canyon has a kiosk at the trailhead, which helps
a lot to get the word out. But the trails from the pool into and
across the top of Pueblo Canyon are very heavily used, especially
by kids getting around town. That would be a good place to draw
people into trying the permanent O course. We locals know Bayo
Canyon is way cool, but to someone from out of town Pueblo Canyon
has higher interest. That has been my experience with visitors;
they *see* Pueblo Canyon as they enter town, and they can see it
as they drive on Canyon Road and Diamond Drive. The footbridges
are a draw too.
Type of course. Do you want a trail-O or a foot-O? If foot-O,
could it be designed to be done also on mountain bike or horseback?
MBT-O design criteria would work for MTB and horse. What technical
difficulty? A trail-O could have stations of variable difficulty,
yet being a trail-O the visitor encountering a stumper could still
go on to the next station.
Apart from all the above, I think an important requirement is that
there be a kiosk at the trailhead where a copy of the map can be
posted. I would like the map to have a place at the side where the
user can punch or (in the case of trail-O) mark the control code.
And the back should have printed instructions for how to use the
map, do the course, and further info about NMO.
Una
Those who have experience with permanent O' course can reply. What level is the course? Is there a set course, or just a batch of controls set out for people to find in any order. If the latter, controls could be different degrees of difficulty. How many controls are there usually?
Judy O
On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:22 AM, Una Smith wrote:
I think a permanent course could be a great recruiting tool and learning tool as well. But I do have one concern: I have heard so many comments about permanent courses being boring. I suspect the courses in question are WHITE level courses. Would it be necessary to have more than one course on the same map?
Another possible location is the area around the Santa Fe headquarters of New Mexico Game and Fish. That is west of Santa Fe, near the growing municipal outdoor recreation area on Caja del Rio road. NMG&F has a huge PR machine: magazine insert in local newspapers statewide, TV program, display ads on the sides of city busses, school program, and point of sale marketing opportunities. (Last year they told me they would be holding an expo there this September, but I have heard nothing more from them.)
I like the free on-line as a club development offer, since it should increase the attendance at our meets.
Judy
On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Greg Kendall wrote:
I proposed it at the annual meeting two years ago in Santa fe and it was defeated. Una lead the charge to crush the idea.
As far as where to put the maps ... We could put them at the aquatic center in the rec office or at the visitors center dpwntown. People could pay for them on line and get a receipt that they could trade for a map.
Anything that brings people to town the lacdc loves.
We could even email a pdf version of the map after we get payment. Or make it free online as a club development offer.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Richard Opsahl Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:08:12 -0600 To: <NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [NMOrienteers] possible club project
I don't have any recollection of your offering to set up a permanent course in Bayo Canyon, Greg (although that doesn't mean you didn't). Since I think a permanent course would be a good thing for the club (and that Bayo Canyon is really the only place in town we could do it), I have no idea why I would have turned it down. My only concern about Bayo Canyon (or any other place in Los Alamos) is where would we keep the course maps? At a state our county park in most places, there is a ranger station or office where they could be kept. If we just leave them in the Canyon, they will fast disappear. Maybe they found some way to deal with the maps in MN.
Judy
On Aug 10, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Greg Kendall wrote:
I created a map of Bayo Canyon in Los Alamos for the purpose of creating a permanent course for Los Alamos. The area is ideal for this purpose. As a member of the Minnesota Orienteering Club, many people, including myself, found the local permanent courses in state parks to be invaluable for beginning Orienteers to learn the sport at their own pace. They were also exceptionally valuable for the recruitment of new members, as the local parks would advertise and sell the course maps to park visitors and many would become interested in the sport.
When the new Bayo Canyon map was completed, I requested permission to proceed with the planning for a permanent course for Los Alamos, but unfortunately the Board at that time rejected my proposal to move forward.
I hope that permanent courses will be pursued. Hyde Memorial also would be a great area for this.
From:Richard Opsahl <opsahl@losalamos.com> To:NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:13:10 PM Subject:Re: [NMOrienteers] possible club project
I would like to see one in Hyde Memorial State Park in Santa Fe. It is well set up for a permanent course but probably not enough suitable area for regular orienteering, and would give us a presence in SF.
Just last week I had another opportunity to visit a permanent Orienteering course.
This one was in Oakland CA at Joaquin Miller Park (map attached).
Is this something our club wants to consider doing?I see it as a possible way to attract new members.
Would we want to consider putting one up in both the Los Alamos and Albuquerque area?
Who all would be interested in working on a project like this.
The markers at this site were wood poles with O club flags painted on the sides and the two letter control code on top. The BAOC did a real nice job on this course and the markers. It would be easy for someone who can do woodworking to make them.
I took some photos on my cell phone ( just need to find a way to get them out).
I proposed it at the annual meeting two years ago in Santa fe and it was defeated. Una lead the charge to crush the idea.
As far as where to put the maps ... We could put them at the aquatic center in the rec office or at the visitors center dpwntown. People could pay for them on line and get a receipt that they could trade for a map.
Anything that brings people to town the lacdc loves.
We could even email a pdf version of the map after we get payment. Or make it free online as a club development offer.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
From: Richard Opsahl Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:08:12 -0600 To: <NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [NMOrienteers] possible club project
I don't have any recollection of your offering to set up a permanent course in Bayo Canyon, Greg (although that doesn't mean you didn't). Since I think a permanent course would be a good thing for the club (and that Bayo Canyon is really the only place in town we could do it), I have no idea why I would have turned it down. My only concern about Bayo Canyon (or any other place in Los Alamos) is where would we keep the course maps? At a state our county park in most places, there is a ranger station or office where they could be kept. If we just leave them in the Canyon, they will fast disappear. Maybe they found some way to deal with the maps in MN.
Judy
On Aug 10, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Greg Kendall wrote:
I created a map of Bayo Canyon in Los Alamos for the purpose of creating a permanent course for Los Alamos. The area is ideal for this purpose. As a member of the Minnesota Orienteering Club, many people, including myself, found the local permanent courses in state parks to be invaluable for beginning Orienteers to learn the sport at their own pace. They were also exceptionally valuable for the recruitment of new members, as the local parks would advertise and sell the course maps to park visitors and many would become interested in the sport.
When the new Bayo Canyon map was completed, I requested permission to proceed with the planning for a permanent course for Los Alamos, but unfortunately the Board at that time rejected my proposal to move forward.
I hope that permanent courses will be pursued. Hyde Memorial also would be a great area for this.
From:Richard Opsahl <opsahl@losalamos.com> To:NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:13:10 PM Subject:Re: [NMOrienteers] possible club project
I would like to see one in Hyde Memorial State Park in Santa Fe. It is well set up for a permanent course but probably not enough suitable area for regular orienteering, and would give us a presence in SF.
Just last week I had another opportunity to visit a permanent Orienteering course.
This one was in Oakland CA at Joaquin Miller Park (map attached).
Is this something our club wants to consider doing?I see it as a possible way to attract new members.
Would we want to consider putting one up in both the Los Alamos and Albuquerque area?
Who all would be interested in working on a project like this.
The markers at this site were wood poles with O club flags painted on the sides and the two letter control code on top. The BAOC did a real nice job on this course and the markers. It would be easy for someone who can do woodworking to make them.
I took some photos on my cell phone ( just need to find a way to get them out).
I don't have any recollection of your offering to set up a permanent course in Bayo Canyon, Greg (although that doesn't mean you didn't). Since I think a permanent course would be a good thing for the club (and that Bayo Canyon is really the only place in town we could do it), I have no idea why I would have turned it down. My only concern about Bayo Canyon (or any other place in Los Alamos) is where would we keep the course maps? At a state our county park in most places, there is a ranger station or office where they could be kept. If we just leave them in the Canyon, they will fast disappear. Maybe they found some way to deal with the maps in MN.
Judy
On Aug 10, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Greg Kendall wrote:
I created a map of Bayo Canyon in Los Alamos for the purpose of creating a permanent course for Los Alamos. The area is ideal for this purpose. As a member of the Minnesota Orienteering Club, many people, including myself, found the local permanent courses in state parks to be invaluable for beginning Orienteers to learn the sport at their own pace. They were also exceptionally valuable for the recruitment of new members, as the local parks would advertise and sell the course maps to park visitors and many would become interested in the sport.
When the new Bayo Canyon map was completed, I requested permission to proceed with the planning for a permanent course for Los Alamos, but unfortunately the Board at that time rejected my proposal to move forward.
I hope that permanent courses will be pursued. Hyde Memorial also would be a great area for this.
From:Richard Opsahl <opsahl@losalamos.com> To:NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:13:10 PM Subject:Re: [NMOrienteers] possible club project
I would like to see one in Hyde Memorial State Park in Santa Fe. It is well set up for a permanent course but probably not enough suitable area for regular orienteering, and would give us a presence in SF.
Just last week I had another opportunity to visit a permanent Orienteering course.
This one was in Oakland CA at Joaquin Miller Park (map attached).
Is this something our club wants to consider doing?I see it as a possible way to attract new members.
Would we want to consider putting one up in both the Los Alamos and Albuquerque area?
Who all would be interested in working on a project like this.
The markers at this site were wood poles with O club flags painted on the sides and the two letter control code on top. The BAOC did a real nice job on this course and the markers. It would be easy for someone who can do woodworking to make them.
I took some photos on my cell phone ( just need to find a way to get them out).
I think a permanent course could be a great recruiting tool and learning
tool as well. But I do have one concern: I have heard so many comments
about permanent courses being boring. I suspect the courses in question
are WHITE level courses. Would it be necessary to have more than one
course on the same map?
Another possible location is the area around the Santa Fe headquarters
of New Mexico Game and Fish. That is west of Santa Fe, near the growing
municipal outdoor recreation area on Caja del Rio road. NMG&F has a
huge PR machine: magazine insert in local newspapers statewide, TV
program, display ads on the sides of city busses, school program, and
point of sale marketing opportunities. (Last year they told me they
would be holding an expo there this September, but I have heard nothing
more from them.)
Una
I created a map of Bayo Canyon in Los Alamos for the purpose of creating a permanent course for Los Alamos. The area is ideal for this purpose. As a member of the Minnesota Orienteering Club, many people, including myself, found the local permanent courses in state parks to be invaluable for beginning Orienteers to learn the sport at their own pace. They were also exceptionally valuable for the recruitment of new members, as the local parks would advertise and sell the course maps to park visitors and many would become interested in the sport.
When the new Bayo Canyon map was completed, I requested permission to proceed with the planning for a permanent course for Los Alamos, but unfortunately the Board at that time rejected my proposal to move forward.
I hope that permanent courses
will be pursued. Hyde Memorial also would be a great area for this.
From: Richard Opsahl <opsahl@...> To: NMOrienteers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 8:13:10 PM Subject: Re: [NMOrienteers] possible club project
I would like to see one in Hyde Memorial State Park in Santa Fe. It is well set up for a permanent course but probably not enough suitable area for regular orienteering, and would give us a presence in SF.
Just last week I had another opportunity to visit a permanent Orienteering course.
This one was in Oakland CA at Joaquin Miller Park (map attached).
Is this something our club wants to consider doing?I see it as a possible way to attract new members.
Would we want to consider putting one up in both the Los Alamos and Albuquerque area?
Who all would be interested in working on a project like this.
The markers at this site were wood poles with O club flags painted on the sides and the two letter control code on top. The BAOC did a real nice job on this course and the markers. It would be easy for someone who can do woodworking to make them.
I took some photos on my cell phone ( just need to find a way to get them out).
I would like to see one in Hyde Memorial State Park in Santa Fe. It is well set up for a permanent course but probably not enough suitable area for regular orienteering, and would give us a presence in SF.
Just last week I had another opportunity to visit a permanent Orienteering course.
This one was in Oakland CA at Joaquin Miller Park (map attached).
Is this something our club wants to consider doing?I see it as a possible way to attract new members.
Would we want to consider putting one up in both the Los Alamos and Albuquerque area?
Who all would be interested in working on a project like this.
The markers at this site were wood poles with O club flags painted on the sides and the two letter control code on top. The BAOC did a real nice job on this course and the markers. It would be easy for someone who can do woodworking to make them.
I took some photos on my cell phone ( just need to find a way to get them out).