In the "99 Things" article in the Chicago Tribune today it says:

When a die-hard Cubs fan dies, can the fan get his or her ashes
scattered at Wrigley Field?  No. Even Goodman didn't get that honor,
according to "Steve Goodman: Facing the Music" by Clay Eals. But
Goodman's admirers surreptitiously scattered some of his ashes at the
ballpark anyway.

So is the under-home-plate story just a myth??

btw see:

http://books.google.com/books?
id=i2WOQcBx0SwC&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=steve+goodman+wrigley+field+ashes&
source=web&ots=08QLqb3-FG&sig=UJGkNKGYrbhbJdfhbVPuex-H3UY#PPA198,M1

for the appropriate section from Graveyards of Chicago.
Alan

I thought it was true too; look here:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6556

Gail

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [MidwestCemeteries] Steve Goodman  - under home plate, or not?
> From: "adgorn1" <adgorn@...>
> Date: Mon, October 01, 2007 9:56 am
> To: MidwestCemeteries@yahoogroups.com
>
> In the "99 Things" article in the Chicago Tribune today it says:
>
> When a die-hard Cubs fan dies, can the fan get his or her ashes
> scattered at Wrigley Field?  No. Even Goodman didn't get that honor,
> according to "Steve Goodman: Facing the Music" by Clay Eals. But
> Goodman's admirers surreptitiously scattered some of his ashes at the
> ballpark anyway.
>
> So is the under-home-plate story just a myth??
>
> btw see:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?
> id=i2WOQcBx0SwC&pg=PA198&lpg=PA198&dq=steve+goodman+wrigley+field+ashes&
> source=web&ots=08QLqb3-FG&sig=UJGkNKGYrbhbJdfhbVPuex-H3UY#PPA198,M1
>
> for the appropriate section from Graveyards of Chicago.
> Alan

Here is Zorn's article - the definite story I guess.

www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-
zorn_02oct02,0,4044996.column

chicagotribune.com
Often a resting place for hopes, why not ashes?
Eric Zorn

October 2, 2007

Near the end of my column last week about the resurgent popularity of
the song "Go Cubs Go," I mentioned that some of the ashes of its
singer and composer, Steve Goodman, are scattered at Wrigley Field.

This means that when fans sing along with the recording of Goodman
now played after every home victory, they also, in effect, serenade
whatever microscopic portion of him is still mixed into the left-
field warning track.

The scattering ceremony was unofficial. After Goodman died in 1984,
his cremated remains ended up in the possession of his longtime
friend and business partner Al Bunetta.

Bunetta and others felt that they ought to be sprinkled at Wrigley,
given not just that Goodman was a devoted Cubs fan, but also that in
his other famous baseball song, "A Dying Cub Fan's Last Request,"
written while he was battling the leukemia that claimed his life at
age 36, the singer asks that his "ashes blow in a beautiful snow ...
over the left-field wall ... to my final resting place out on
Waveland Avenue."

Bunetta said team officials refused this request, so the remains sat
in a box in his office for more than three years. That's when
Goodman's younger brother, photographer David Goodman, got the job
done the Chicago way:

He found a guy -- local singer-songwriter Harry Waller -- who knew
some guys who knew a guy who knew a guy in stadium security who would
let them slip into the Friendly Confines with a portion of Goodman's
remains just before Opening Day 1988.

The plan was to scatter them at home plate, according to an account
confirmed by David Goodman that appears in author Clay Eals' "Facing
the Music" ($29.95, ECW Press), a Goodman biography published earlier
this year. But the tiny bone fragments -- they're not really ashes --
looked too rough to leave where players would be sliding.

So they went into the bleachers: "We stood along the wall, sang the
song and let his ashes flow in a beautiful snow," David Goodman wrote
later. "One problem, the wind was blowing in that day and instead of
coming to rest on Waveland Avenue, Stevie landed jus' a little short,
[on the] warning track under the 368 sign."

Goodman's widow and daughters later were similarly surreptitious in
scattering the rest of his remains by home plate at Doubleday Field
at the National Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, N.Y.

The bone fragments posed no health hazard. Cremated remains, having
been heated to close to 2,000 degrees, are sterile, said Jerry
Sullivan, president of the Cremation Association of Illinois. He said
it's legal to scatter them anywhere as long as you have the consent
of the property owner, and that in his 35 years in the business, he
had never heard of anyone being prosecuted for unsanctioned
scattering.

A ballpark, site of so much excitement and so many hopes, dreams and
memories for so many, is an exquisitely symbolic final resting place.
And the White Sox have a policy that allows those who ask -- a half-
dozen or so families a year -- to conduct brief funeral ceremonies on
the warning track at U.S. Cellular Field on non-game days.

"It's not something the club does on a routine basis," said Peter
Chase, media relations director for the Cubs. "But we examine each
request ... case by case."

This should change. There are many out there such as Rose Freeman,
formerly of Woodridge, a devoted fan who died hard for the Cubs most
of her life and then actually died in December in Tampa at age 82.
She left just two requests, according to her granddaughter Lindsey:
to be laid out in a team jersey and cap, and then to have her
cremated remains scattered at Wrigley.

"Are you aware of any way this can become a reality?" Lindsey asked.

I am: Find a guy who knows some guys who know a guy who know a guy.
Or wait until team officials realize how much life it will breathe
into the old ballpark to honor the last requests of dying Cubs fans
everywhere.

I found the Linscott Cemetery at 4524 Linscott in Downers Grove, IL
yesterday.  See
http://www.dg58.dupage.k12.il.us/3rdgradeTLCF/cemetery/tour4.htm

I have some pictures too.

Alan

More info:

The remains of the founder of Downers Grove, Pierce Downer, and his
wife Lucy, who died within a day of each other in 1863, are on
Linscott Avenue. They had to be buried on their farm because spring
rains had caused St. Joseph Creek to flood, making the downtown
inaccessible from the north.
      This cemetery is located between two private homes. However, the
land is owned and maintained by the Downers Grove Park District. It
is the burial site of Pierce and his wife, Lucy Ann, along with other
members of the Downer family. He wished to have Lucy Ann buried in
the Main Street Cemetery. However, due to high water in St. Joseph
Creek, he couldn't cross it and decided to bury her on the highest
point of his property. Pierce Downer died one day later, possibly
while digging Lucy Ann's grave.

some of us girls are planning a trip through central Iowa-going to
Villisca, Iowa.  If you have any interesting cemeteris, can you please
let me know? We are leaving from Quad Cities, Il

THanks!

--- In MidwestCemeteries@yahoogroups.com, "milanpepsi" <MLSIAS@...>
wrote:
>
> some of us girls are planning a trip through central Iowa-going to
> Villisca, Iowa.  If you have any interesting cemeteris, can you
please
> let me know? We are leaving from Quad Cities, Il
>
> THanks!
>
would love to help but I live in chicago, hope you have fun...

It's here! Issue #5 of Epitaphs Magazine!

Things are a little different this time--the magazine is now available through
Lulu.com .
You can purchase either a print copy (this time in full COLOR!) or an electronic
copy (PDF).
To check it out and even see a preview, visit
http://www.lulu.com/content/1324182.

The print version costs more than in the past, but that is because it is all
color instead of
just the cover in color. The electronic version is much less expensive if you'd
like to go
that route.

Full color print version is $12.50. Electronic version is $5.

For details on the contents of the new issue as well as information for
subscribers, go to
www.TheCemeteryClub.com/magazine.html.

Copies of EM issue #4 are still available through TheCemeteryClub.com. I'm also
working
on getting issues #1-3 back in print (as well as available electronically)
through Lulu.com.

I'd love to hear what you think about the new look of the magazine. Please drop
me an e-
mail to let me know!

All the best,
Minda

www.TheCemeteryClub.com

I went there today (to find Charles Dickens brother's grave).  There
was in fact noticeable damage from the storm a couple of months ago.
A number of trees fell and damaged some stones.  Most of the damaged
trees are gone now, but some toppled and broken monuments are visible.

In related news, the following was in Gaper's Block
(http://www.gapersblock.com/) today:

*** Useless Facts From Chicago's Past And Present ***
This Date in Chicago History
Inventor George Pullman died exactly 110 years ago today, on October
19, 1897. When he first came to Chicago, he made a name for himself
by developing a system to lift downtown buildings so the level of the
street could be raised, including most famously the six-story Tremont
House hotel, which allegedly was raised while the hotel guests still
lounged inside. Pullman is best remembered, however, for inventing
the Pullman sleeping car and the exploitative working conditions in
his company town that led to a violent strike in 1894. When he died
in 1897, Pullman so feared the wrath of his former employees that he
was buried in Graceland Cemetery in a lead-lined coffin in a deep pit
reinforced with concrete, asphalt and steel railroad ties.
<http://www.graveyards.com/IL/Cook/graceland/pullman.html

I went there today (to find Charles Dickens brother's grave). There
was in fact noticeable damage from the storm a couple of months ago.
A number of trees fell and damaged some stones. Most of the damaged
trees are gone now, but some toppled and broken monuments are visible.

In related news, the following was in Gaper's Block
(http://www.gapersblock.com/) today:

*** Useless Facts From Chicago's Past And Present ***
This Date in Chicago History
Inventor George Pullman died exactly 110 years ago today, on October
19, 1897. When he first came to Chicago, he made a name for himself
by developing a system to lift downtown buildings so the level of the
street could be raised, including most famously the six-story Tremont
House hotel, which allegedly was raised while the hotel guests still
lounged inside. Pullman is best remembered, however, for inventing
the Pullman sleeping car and the exploitative working conditions in
his company town that led to a violent strike in 1894. When he died
in 1897, Pullman so feared the wrath of his former employees that he
was buried in Graceland Cemetery in a lead-lined coffin in a deep pit
reinforced with concrete, asphalt and steel railroad ties.




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From: adgorn@...
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:10:26 +0000
Subject: [MidwestCemeteries] Graceland storm update

I went there today (to find Charles Dickens brother's grave). There
was in fact noticeable damage from the storm a couple of months ago.
A number of trees fell and damaged some stones. Most of the damaged
trees are gone now, but some toppled and broken monuments are visible.

In related news, the following was in Gaper's Block
(http://www.gapersblock.com/) today:

*** Useless Facts From Chicago's Past And Present ***
This Date in Chicago History
Inventor George Pullman died exactly 110 years ago today, on October
19, 1897. When he first came to Chicago, he made a name for himself
by developing a system to lift downtown buildings so the level of the
street could be raised, including most famously the six-story Tremont
House hotel, which allegedly was raised while the hotel guests still
lounged inside. Pullman is best remembered, however, for inventing
the Pullman sleeping car and the exploitative working conditions in
his company town that led to a violent strike in 1894. When he died
in 1897, Pullman so feared the wrath of his former employees that he
was buried in Graceland Cemetery in a lead-lined coffin in a deep pit
reinforced with concrete, asphalt and steel railroad ties.
<http://www.graveyards.com/IL/Cook/graceland/pullman.html

Forwarded from another graveyard list; Chicago, Milwaukee, and
Cleveland graveyards are prominently mentioned in this article.

(doesn't *everyone* plan their vacations around cemetery visits?)

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Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:32:08 -0700
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Subject: [Grave-L] Get a new view of a destination from a cemetery



By Kathy Rodeghier
Daily Herald Staff

Suburban Chicago

Published: 10/27/2007


When planning a vacation, most people put museums or scenic landmarks on
their itineraries, perhaps adding a day at a beach or a walk in the
woods.

Some go to the cemetery.

"I just find you learn so much of the history of the city when you visit
a cemetery," says Diane Lanigan of Arlington Heights. If you visit a
historic home, such as Milwaukee's Pabst Mansion, then go to the local
cemetery, you might find the homeowner's ornate tomb there. "It just
follows through with the story," she says.

Diane and fellow cemetery devotee Henry Kuehn, both volunteers at
Chicago's Graceland Cemetery, don't consider their interest morbid.

Cemeteries are "fundamentally beautiful places, like walking into an
arboretum," Kuehn says. "Soon you are swept up in the history of the
place."

Kuehn particularly enjoys visiting cemeteries from the late 19th and
early 20th centuries when landscape architects such as Frederick Law
Olmsted and his followers where designing them. He's visited many in the
Midwest, including one in Detroit where auto barons are buried along
with civil rights idol Rosa Parks.

One of Lanigan's favorites, historic Mount Auburn in Cambridge, Mass.,
inspired the designs of many other cemeteries, especially in the
Midwest. Among her favorites is Lake View in Cleveland, noted for its
Wade Chapel with interior designed by Louis Comfort Tiffany.

Whether you take your vacation in the Midwest, across the country or
across the ocean, there are historic cemeteries and notable tombs to be
discovered.

Here's a sampling of a few I have enjoyed.

Where's Jim?

The man in the kilt looked out of place in fashionable Paris, but his
question seemed even more surprising. The brawny Scotsman (dressed to
support his favorite sports team playing in the city) strode up to me
and asked: "Do you know where I can find Jim Morrison?"

Luckily, I did. I had just visited the grave of the American rock star
and could point the way down the stone path in Pere Lachaise Cemetery.

Morrison's whereabouts come up often here, not just from men in skirts,
but from fans across the globe. The tomb of the frontman for The Doors
ranks among the most visited gravesites in what has become a major
tourist attraction in the French capital.

Founded by Napoleon in 1804, Pere Lachaise is the largest cemetery in
Paris, covering more than 105 acres on the east side of the city. The
hilly land once belonged to Jesuits who came here on retreat, including
Father Francois de la Chaise, confessor of Louis XIV and the cemetery's
namesake. Built on wooded hills where stone paths wind below trees and
around shrubs and flowerbeds, Pere Lachaise is part park, part burial
ground. Parisians come to stroll. Visitors search for tombs.

More than 1.5 million people a year wander this maze of monuments and
mausoleums. Maps in hand, they seek the final resting spots of the
famous, including actress Sarah Bernhardt, painters Camille Pissarro and
Georges-Pierre Seurat, French intellectual Marcel Proust, lovers Heloise
and Abelard, writers and companions Gertrude Stein and Alice B. Toklas
and composer Frederic Chopin (his body is here, but his heart is buried
in Warsaw).

The tomb of novelist, poet and playwright Oscar Wilde stands out among
the flat grave markers and telephone booth-size monuments. Marked by a
modernist sculpture of a naked male angel, the tomb is covered with lip
prints in bright shades of lipstick. The statue's genitals have long
since disappeared.

Wilde's flamboyant lifestyle and sexual habits shocked society in
Victorian England and landed him in prison on charges of indecency. He
later moved to Paris where he lived in a rundown hotel before he died at
age 46 of meningitis (though some claim it was syphilis).

A more traditional marker covers the tomb of French chanteuse Edith
Piaf, whose life is portrayed in the biographical film "La Vie En Rose"
released last summer. Born Edith Giovanna Gassion, she took the name
Piaf, a French colloquialism for her nickname "Sparrow." The diminutive
cabaret singer's torch songs touched the hearts of Parisians from the
1930s until her death of liver cancer in 1963 at age 47. More than
40,000 people attended her burial at Pere Lachaise and flowers still
cover her black marble grave marker.

Visitors to the tomb of Jim Morrison leave more than flowers behind.
Vandalism, litter and graffiti, some pointing the way to the
difficult-to-find grave, disturbed the families whose loved ones lie
nearby. Now cemetery workers often patrol the site. Liquor bottles,
lighters and drug paraphernalia mix with bouquets piled atop the grave.
A bust of the psychedelic rock star, with leonine mane, that stood on
the tombstone has been removed.

Morrison earned a degree in cinematography from UCLA and joined in the
drug culture in Southern California, writing poetry and lyrics before
forming The Doors. "Light My Fire" hit the No. 1 spot on the music
charts in 1967, the "Summer of Love."

In 1971 Morrison moved to Paris and died a few months later in his
bathtub. He was 27. Because no foul play was suspected, an autopsy
wasn't performed and mystery continues to surround his death. Among the
speculations: heart failure, suicide, heroin mixed with alcohol,
assassination by the CIA and a drug overdose in a popular nightclub
where he died while sitting on a toilet like Elvis. Some even speculate
he staged his death and is living in India.

No matter; fans still flock to his grave. A quote attributed to Morrison
seems prophetic: "I see myself as a huge fiery comet, a shooting star.
Everyone stops, points up and gasps 'Oh look at that!' Then -- whoosh,
and I'm gone …and they'll never see anything like it ever again, and
they won't be able to forget me -- ever."

Beer baron burials

In the late 1800s Milwaukee was a city of cramped neighborhoods and
dirty streets with little green space to offer respite from the fetid
air and heat of summer. To escape, families did what some Milwaukee
visitors do now -- head to the cemetery.

The first burial took place at Forest Home Cemetery in 1850, about four
years after Milwaukee was founded. The cemetery's wooded, rolling hills
became a quasi-public park before the city's park system came into
being. On Sundays, as many as 8,000 people gathered there, some coming
by horse-car service on what was then a long trip from town. Though
picnicking was forbidden, most families smuggled in hampers of food for
their day in the country.

Today Milwaukee's oldest cemetery covers 200 acres on its southwest side
and opens its arms to visitors with a museum and maps for self-guided
tours of the grounds and monuments. Listed on the National Register of
Historic Places, its open landscape design was inspired by Mount Auburn
Cemetery in Massachusetts. Intended as a rural retreat or garden, it
contains a manmade lake, waterfall, more than 300 varieties of trees, a
chapel of Lake Superior brownstone, 11½ miles of roads and the tombs
of 85,000 people.

At its most famous spot, Beer Baron Corner, the plots of brewers Pabst,
Blatz, Schlitz and Uihlein overlook one another. The largest monument in
Forest Home, the Blatz Mausoleum, contains more than 500 tons of
granite. Its marble interior still has plenty of space for family
members.

Along with beer, sausages are a legacy of the city's German heritage.
Milwaukee's most famous wurstmacher, Fred Usinger, is buried at Forest
Home. Emigrating from Germany in 1881 with his Old World sausage
recipes, he founded a family business that still thrives on Milwaukee's
Old World Third Street.

But it isn't just beer and brats that make Milwaukee famous. At Forest
Home, bikers make a beeline for the grave of William A. Davidson, often
leaving flowers behind. Davidson, his two brothers and William Harley
tinkered with motorcycles in a woodshed at the Davidson home, founding
the Harley-Davidson Co. headquartered in Milwaukee today.

Two bright lights of Broadway now lay at rest side by side in Forest
Home. Milwaukee native Alfred Lunt and his British wife Lynn Fontane
first starred together in New York in 1924 and went on to become
theatrical royalty. For more than four decades they performed, achieving
international stardom before retiring to their Wisconsin estate Ten
Chimneys.

Aviation pioneer Gen. William Mitchell chose to be buried here in his
hometown rather than Arlington National Cemetery, where many war heroes
are entombed. Billy Mitchell developed the first system of air routes
across the U.S. and served admirably in World War I. However, his
outspoken manner of insisting that an air force was critical to our
military might got him in trouble. His superiors had him court-martialed
for bad-mouthing their unpreparedness.

The story of the "Father of the U.S. Air Force" is portrayed in the 1955
film "The Court-Martial of Billy Mitchell," directed by Otto Preminger
and starring Gary Cooper.
After his death, Congress awarded Mitchell the Congressional Gold Medal.
Milwaukee's International Airport is named for him.

Eerie New Orleans

Cemeteries in New Orleans often are called Cities of the Dead because
the above-ground family tombs carefully arranged along cemetery walkways
resemble miniature homes lining neighborhood streets. The tombs might
better be called condos, because each holds the remains of several
people.

New Orleans sits below sea level, so the water table is too high to dig
a grave. Instead, bodies are interred in tombs above ground.
Historically, unembalmed bodies in biodegradable caskets were placed in
the tomb, which was sealed for a minimum of one year and one day. The
intense heat inside the tomb, which one can easily imagine on a hot
summer day in New Orleans, caused the body to disintegrate in a kind of
natural cremation.
Before the next burial, cemetery caretakers opened the vault and used a
10-foot pole to push the human remains to the back of the tomb where a
passage opened to a pit, or caveau. The process was then repeated with
the next dearly departed. If a death occurred before a year and a day,
the family rented a vault in a wall at the back of the cemetery.

Burial practices have changed today. Special formulas are used for
embalming and tombs are sealed for two years before they are opened and
reused. Also, more families choose cremation, so only ashes are
interred.

In St. Louis Cemetery No. 1 on the edge of the Vieux Carre, or French
Quarter, 41 people share the tomb of New Orleans' most famous Voodoo
Queen. In the 19th century, Marie Laveau performed Voodoo ceremonies in
nearby Congo Square, now renamed Louis Armstrong Park.

Her final resting place in the Glapion family tomb, named for Laveau's
second husband, often is adorned with candles, flowers and coins. For
luck, some visitors scratch a trio of crosses, or X's, on the side of
the whitewashed monument.

St. Louis No. 1, founded in 1789, is the city's oldest cemetery. A scene
from the film "Easy Rider" was shot there, but it is Lafayette Cemetery
No. 1 that is the movie star. It served as the setting for many films
and scenes in novels, especially the vampire tomes of Anne Rice.

Located in the Garden District, across from Commander's Palace
Restaurant, Lafayette No. 1 was established in 1833 on a former
plantation. Its elaborate tombs, life like sculptures and intriguing
inscriptions earn it a stop on Gray Line sightseeing tours. Along with
war veterans, some dating back to the Confederacy, it contains the
remains of hundreds who died in yellow fever and cholera epidemics in
the mid-1800s. At times, so many died so quickly that desperate families
left bodies of their loved ones at the cemetery gate.

Both St. Louis No. 1 and Lafayette No. 1 are listed on the National
Register of Historic Places. Fortunately, these outdoor museums survived
Hurricane Katrina, though water lines appear on some tombs showing the
depth of the flood.

If you go

Cemeteries

Go: To see the final resting place of the famous and infamous

No: If cemeteries give you the willies

Need to know: Search cemeteries by location, name of deceased or claim
to fame at www.findagrave.com

Pere Lachaise: Boulevard Menilmontant, 75020 Paris, France. Near the
Pere Lachaise and Gambetta Metro stops, the cemetery has five entrances.
Maps of the gravesites can be obtained nearby from vendors and at
florists and news kiosks. For more information, visit
www.pariscemeteries.com/pagecems/pere.html; for a virtual tour, see
www.pere-lachaise.com.

Forest Home: 2405 W. Forest Home Ave., Milwaukee, Wis., (414) 645-2632,
www.foresthomecemetery.com. Start your visit at the Hall of History, a
mausoleum, community education center and museum with displays devoted
to famous Milwaukee residents buried here.

St. Louis No. 1 and Lafayette No. 1: Guided tours of St. Louis No. 1,
501 Basin St., and Lafayette No. 1, 1400 Washington Ave., New Orleans,
La., are offered on various Gray Line tours ((800) 535-7786,
www.graylineneworleans.com) and by street hawkers. Save Our Cemeteries
Inc., which is devoted to preserving cemeteries, also offers guided
tours ((888) 721-7493, www.saveourcemeteries.org).

Other notable burial spots and those who occupy them:

Lake View, Cleveland, Ohio: Eliot Ness, John D. Rockefeller, James A.
Garfield

Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, Los Angeles, Calif.: Stan Laurel, Liberace,
Bette Davis, Ricky Nelson

La Recoleta, Buenos Aires, Argentina: Eva Peron

Sleepy Hollow, Tarrytown, N.Y.: Washington Irving, Andrew Carnegie,
Elizabeth Arden, Walter Chrysler, Leona Helmsley

Cimetiere du Montparnasse, Paris, France: Jean-Paul Sartre, Jean Seberg

Kensico, Valhalla, N.Y.: Lou Gehrig, Tommy Dorsey, Ayn Rand

Mount Moriah, Deadwood, S.D.: Wild Bill Hickok, Calamity Jane

Ferncliff, Hartsdale, N.Y.: Judy Garland, Malcolm X, Joan Crawford,
Aaliyah

Hillside Memorial Park, Culver City, Calif.: Al Jolson, Jack Benny,
Milton Berle

Novo-Devichy, Moscow, Russia: Nikita Khrushchev, Anton Chekov

Crown Hill, Indianapolis, Ind.: John Dillinger, Benjamin Harrison, James
Whitcomb Riley

Highgate, London, England: Karl Marx, George Eliot

Westwood Memorial Park, Los Angeles, Calif.: Frank Zappa, Natalie Wood,
Marilyn Monroe

Gate of Heaven, Hawthorne, N.Y.: Babe Ruth, James Cagney

Woodlawn, Detroit, Mich.: Edsel Ford, Rosa Parks, John Dodge

Mount Auburn, Cambridge, Mass.: Mary Baker Eddy, Winslow Homer, Oliver
Wendell Holmes, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

-- Kathy Rodeghier







"If you believe in Forever......."



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11/22/07  6:15pm.EST
Still requesting these free scan graveside photos:
John Sr, John Jr/lorenza and Myra Golphin by letter
and/or email soon. May God bless you richly.
Been trying to get these since Spring 2000-no luck as
yet. Thanks so very much.  T/Miccki from MI
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Hello: 5/14/07 6pm.EST
You may cut and paste
  I'm requesting free scanned gravesite photo(s)
of my deceased relatives. Can some kind person help me
out. You may send to my email address.

GOLPHIN:
Burial Record:  Myra (Singleton)
Number:
Lot: 80
Row:1
Grave:1
Section:36B
Age:--
Died:  1950
Spouse:John Golphin Sr.-deceased
Parents: William Singleton;Rosa Lee Mixson Bell-SC

Burial Record:  John Sr.     YES
Number: 81864
Lot:80
Row:1
Grave:2
Section:36B
Age:71
Died:5-31-1962
Buried: 6-4-1962
Parents: Milledge & Marthia Golphin-SC


Burial Record:  Israel (Brother) YES
Number:
Lot:80
Grave:
Section:36B
Age:
Died:
Birth: 1890-SC

Burial Record: Lorenza/Lorenzo (son)YES
Number:
Lot:
Grave:
Section:
Age:
Died:
Birth: 1920 (3 mo.)


Burial Record: John Golphin Jr.(son)YES-see Lorenza
Number:
Lot:80
Grave:
Section:36B
Age:
Died:
Birth:

Looking forward to your replies soon.







      
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Cemetery conference in northwest Illinois area?
One of my goals for Epitaphs Magazine is to one day host a cemetery conference
in my
area (northwest Illinois/Quad Cities area). For all you cemetery lovers out
there, would this
be something of interest to you? If so, what types of things would you like to
learn about?

- Cemetery history
- Preservation
- Gravestone rubbing
- Tours
- How to start your own cemetery walk
- Etc. ???

Obviously this wouldn't be as in-depth as the AGS conferences, but it could
become
something.

Any feedback, pro or con, is welcome.

E-mail me at: minda.epitaphsmag@...

Thanks!
Minda
www.TheCemeteryClub.com

A very sad story from today's Chicago Tribune.  FYI: This cemetery
includes Abe Saperstein (Harlem Globetrotters founder), Albert Wolff
(one of Elliot Ness' "Untouchables"), Jack Ruby (Oswald's killer) and
Gene Siskel (film critic.)
*************
Anti-Semitic slurs were spray-painted on 57 tombstones
By Steve Schmadeke | Tribune staff reporter
January 12, 2008
At least 57 tombstones in a large Jewish cemetery outside Norridge
were defaced with anti-Semitic slogans last weekend in a vandalism
spree that caused at least $100,000 in damage, Cook County police
said.

Using white and blue spray paint, vandals drew swastikas and slurs on
tombstones in a western section of the 72-acre Westlawn Cemetery,
7801 W. Montrose Ave., where roughly 46,000 people are buried. In one
corner of the cemetery, a headstone inscribed with the words "Beloved
husband & father" for a man who died at age 85 had a white swastika
painted on a corner.

"This is heartbreaking," said Linda Haase, who has relatives buried
at the cemetery, including her father-in-law and grandmother, though
their graves were not defaced. "Look, my husband's father fought
against the Nazis in World War II."

Haase, the spokeswoman for the Jewish United Fund/Jewish Federation
of Greater Chicago, said the cemetery was an extremely honored place
for Chicago-area Jewish families. She took her daughter Jenna, who is
named after grandfather Jerome, to the cemetery soon after Jenna was
born.

Sheriff Tom Dart said he considers the vandalism, thought to have
occurred late Jan. 5 or early Sunday, a hate crime committed by "some
incredibly sick cowards." No arrests have been made.

"What they did here is especially despicable," Dart said at a news
conference Friday afternoon. "The desecration of graves has a level
in the circle of hell that goes to the very bottom."

"I'm shocked. I'm nauseated," said Vickie Pulido, the cemetery's
general manager. She said she has reached about half the families of
those whose headstones were defaced and that some wept when they
heard the news.

Police are investigating the spray paint used, which Dart said was
difficult to purchase. Pulido also said there was one clear footprint
left behind.

Anyone with information about the incident is asked to call 847-635-
1188.

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sschmadeke@...

Let me show you my Illinois geography stupidity ... what is
the "northwest Illinois/Quad Cities area"?

If I can get there (from Missouri) then I'm interested.

I actually offered a course through my local adult education program on
some of these topics.


peace

Hi! If you look at Illinois on the map, look at the
west side where the Mississippi River runs down the
length. If you start at the top, go down until the
river runs east to west. That's where the Quad Cities
is located. The Quad Cities include Moline and Rock
Island on the Illinois side and Davenport and
Bettendorf on the Iowa side of the river.

Depending on where you are in Missouri, you may not be
really all that far away.

Hope that helps!

Minda

www.TheCemeteryClub.com



--- Ella Jay <ella_jay_sings@...> wrote:

> Let me show you my Illinois geography stupidity ...
> what is
> the "northwest Illinois/Quad Cities area"?
>
> If I can get there (from Missouri) then I'm
> interested.
>
> I actually offered a course through my local adult
> education program on
> some of these topics.
>
>
> peace
>
>


Minda Powers-Douglas
Epitaphs Magazine
PO Box 1163
Moline, IL 61266-1163

minda@...

www.TheCemeteryClub.com

Now available: "Cemetery Walk" by Minda Powers-Douglas
Journey into the cemetery and beyond in this fascinating book.
Purchase your copy today from AuthorHouse Publishing
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To: MidwestCemeteries@yahoogroups.com
From: ella_jay_sings@...
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:07:30 +0000
Subject: [MidwestCemeteries] Re: Cemetery conference in northwest Illinois area?

Let me show you my Illinois geography stupidity ... what is
the "northwest Illinois/Quad Cities area"?

If I can get there (from Missouri) then I'm interested.

I actually offered a course through my local adult education program on
some of these topics.

peace

My name is Foxie Hagerty I live in Knox co., IL and am Host of the
Illinois Saving Graves web site which is a site dedicated

"A collaborative effort of cemetery preservation advocates working to
increase public awareness and activism in preserving, protecting and
restoring endangered and forgotten historic cemeteries worldwide."

But I being me & who I am take it steps further and actually go to
the cemeteries myself take photos and let people know what the
conditions of them are. I also have a mailing list to let others know
& also to let other contact me and others on the list with their
questions and hopefully get some help. We are going to be having
a "Witching for Graves" in the Lake County. IL. If anyone is
interested in attending this please feel free to contact me from my
web site.

Also, has anyone had any trouble with the Mt. Hope Cemetery, on 11500
S. Fairfield Ave, Chicago, IL. I will be visiting this cemetery. in a
few weeks. Thanks would be great to hear about any problems or no
problems.
thanks
Foxie Hagerty
Vice-Pres Knox Co Genealogical Society
Warren Co. Historical Society
Lucretia Leffingwell Chapter, NSDAR
Mary Todd Lincoln Tent #48
http://www.myspace.com/foxie_hagerty
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/il/county/knox/
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/il/county/warren/
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/il/state2/index.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhca/index.html

Hi Everyone-
During a break in the weather last month, I took the opportunity to
visit several cemeteries in the NW Chicago metro area, including Elk
Grove Cemetery, which is the final resting place for two Revolutionary
War veterans. According to the village's website, these are two of a
total of five such veterans buried in the Chicago area. Does anyone
know where the other three are at rest?
Thanks

> According to the village's website, these are two of a
> total of five such veterans buried in the Chicago area. Does anyone
> know where the other three are at rest?

Offhand, I can recall only one, in Naperville Cemetery.  I've just looked
at my Naperville photos, and he is John Dudley Sr, 1758-1846 - there is
a bronze marker placed in front of his monument.

--
hucke@... - http://www.graveyards.com

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by the Leaf of China
that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes
a warning.  It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

I've been to that one..... Scary neiborhood, but beautiful cemetery!!

> According to the village's website, these are two of a
> total of five such veterans buried in the Chicago area. Does anyone
> know where the other three are at rest?

Offhand, I can recall only one, in Naperville Cemetery. I've just looked
at my Naperville photos, and he is John Dudley Sr, 1758-1846 - there is
a bronze marker placed in front of his monument.

--
hucke@cynico.net - http://www.graveyards.com

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the Leaf of China
that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes
a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Surely they are wrong about there being only five in the Chicagoland
area? I wonder where they got that idea. Of course, now that I sit
down to think about it, I can't come up with locations where I have
seen others.

Still, that HAS to be wrong.  err...right?

Tracy St Claire
Bible Records Online
http://www.biblerecords.com

Hi Everyone-
During a break in the weather last month, I took the opportunity to
visit several cemeteries in the NW Chicago metro area, including Elk
Grove Cemetery, which is the final resting place for two Revolutionary
War veterans. According to the village's website, these are two of a
total of five such veterans buried in the Chicago area. Does anyone
know where the other three are at rest?
Thanks

just a wee question,Iwas raised in rock island il, waswondering if
anyone has any info on chippianic(hope thats spelled right!) its the
larges cematery in RI and wasjust curios about it.I do know it was
placed on indian barial ground.

You might try this DAR site for Rev War burial sites.
http://www.rsar.org/rosters/findpatr.htm

Mark Davis
Stone Saver Cemetery Restoration
http://www.geocities.com/md9105/StoneSaverCemeteryRestoration.html




Original Message:
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From: iliagog ourhero8@...
Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:11:03 -0000
To: MidwestCemeteries@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MidwestCemeteries] Veterans' Graves


Hi Everyone-
During a break in the weather last month, I took the opportunity to
visit several cemeteries in the NW Chicago metro area, including Elk
Grove Cemetery, which is the final resting place for two Revolutionary
War veterans. According to the village's website, these are two of a
total of five such veterans buried in the Chicago area. Does anyone
know where the other three are at rest?
Thanks




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Hi, Ray

I'm in the Quad Cities and visit Chippiannock pretty
often. I also know the sexton there and have taught
cemetery art classes on the grounds.

The official site is www.chippiannock.org.

It was built on a bluff in Rock Island but not on an
Indian burial ground. Chippiannock means "village of
the dead" in, I believe, Saukenak (I'd have to verify
that).

There have been two books written about the cemetery
that are available through their office. They are
excellent sources of information and include a lot of
photos.

Here's Amazon info:

http://www.amazon.com/Passages-Collection-Personal-Histories-Chippiannock/dp/097\
7401812/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202270640&sr=8-1

The other book is larger but is not on Amazon. It's
very nicely done.

If there are any questions I can answer, please let me
know.

Minda

www.TheCemeteryClub.com



--- Ray <ray.jackson45@...> wrote:

> just a wee question,Iwas raised in rock island il,
> waswondering if
> anyone has any info on chippianic(hope thats spelled
> right!) its the
> larges cematery in RI and wasjust curios about it.I
> do know it was
> placed on indian barial ground.
>
>


Minda Powers-Douglas
Epitaphs Magazine
PO Box 1163
Moline, IL 61266-1163

minda@...

www.TheCemeteryClub.com

Now available: "Cemetery Walk" by Minda Powers-Douglas
Journey into the cemetery and beyond in this fascinating book.
Purchase your copy today from AuthorHouse Publishing
http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail~bookid~27291.aspx


      
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Hi Mindy,
I'm with Illinois Saving Graves and also attended your class on
tombstone rubbing last Spring. this year we are having in May in
Peoria a Dowsing for Graves class on how to do this. I was wondering
if you would be interested in coming to that or would have the time
with all you too.
I'm really excited, have bought rods, a pendulum, and a book and am
reading up on it. I will actually in all be attending three classes
on this. One in Lake County her a couple of weeks and then another
one pretty soon.
didn't know if you would be interested or anyone on the list
interested or not.
You can let me know.
Thanks.
Foxie Hagerty
1635 Sherwood Road
Dahinda, IL 61428
309-337-5530
Vice-Pres Knox Co Genealogical Society
Warren Co. Historical Society
Lucretia Leffingwell Chapter, NSDAR
Mary Todd Lincoln Tent #48
http://www.myspace.com/foxie_hagerty
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/il/county/knox/
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/il/county/warren/
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/il/state2/index.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilhca/index.html