--- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, sctree <sctree@d...> wrote:
> Not sure epoxy
> w/wood filler is the way to go. I'd strongly suggest you switch to
> WEST  System 710 as an epoxy filler,
>

It may be easier to sand, but I have the wood flour. So far it's not
been too bad (not that I know anything different).

> Also, and maybe you said this and I forgot, but what are you
> building????

Haven't mentioned it recently, but I'm building a Skat--a few photos
are posted in the photos section under "Another Skat." It's also the
Alabama Skat mentioned in the prototypes section of Jim's newsletter.
More to come once the fill coat is done this afternoon.

Tidmarsh

Finally got my nymph out on the water! Everything was great - took my
kids out one at a time, even made it back to the dock!  Last trip
back in I was letting the wind just coast me back to shore and got a
little sidways to the beach.  The toungue(?) that goes inside the
boat cracked almost all the way through just above the rail when I
got in close and hit some shallow water.  Anybody have any thoughts
on a better attachment method?  I wasn't real happy with the leeboard
attachment on the nymph during building but built it per plans anyway.

Thanks for the help.

Doug

Hi - I'd like to hear more about the trailer shown under the boats in
the "Roar and Nymph" picture which is in the "sorta Roar 2" folder,
all in Michalak_Boats_Photos_Only.  I'm getting ready to start Roar2
and have been wondering how to cart it around.  Thanks!
Steve Crogan
Seattle

--- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, "steve_crogan" <steve_crogan@y...>
wrote:
> Hi - I'd like to hear more about the trailer shown under the boats
in
> the "Roar and Nymph" picture which is in the "sorta Roar 2" folder,

> all in Michalak_Boats_Photos_Only.  I'm getting ready to start Roar2
> and have been wondering how to cart it around.  Thanks!
> Steve Crogan
> Seattle





Just judging from the photo, it appears to be
a dolly rather than a trailer;  basically a set
of wheels that straps to the boat to aid in
moving it around by hand.

Some of the kayak sites have plans for dollies.

If what you are looking for is a road-worthy
trailer, the small flat-bed trailers of the
type that harbor Freights sells are adequate,
espeically if you "dry launch" without actually
submerging the trailer (easy to do with a roar).

You might check-out the "oracle" photo file;  I beleive
that I posted a photo or two in there of the
very short boat trailer that i modified to carry
the Oracle.  The same thing could be done to a flat bed
trailer.


Max

--- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, "fogovonslack" <fogovonslack@y...> wrote:

> More to come once the fill coat is done this afternoon.
>
The photos section appears to be full & wouldn't let me post, so I
added a couple more photos in the files section, also in a folder
named "Another Skat."

Tidmarsh

Have just posted the progress on the Johnsboat.  Sides are done but
not butt jointed yet to save space in the garage.  Bulkheads and
temporary form are finished except bow block and stern has no
framing yet.

Other picture is joint where the stern and side meet.  Since its
pretty loose yet and not being assembled, it probably doesn't show
for sure that bevel spot.  I still don't think it needs a bevel and
since its so easy to skip doubt if previous builders would even
mention it.  The width of the boat doesn't change at all in the back
half.

Any suggestions on wood to rip down for the chine logs?  Will pine
actually bend up for the bow?  Do I need to piece together the chine
like Bolger had me do on the "Tortuous".  (That boat is
uncomfortable but floats well)

> Ah, what sharpie may this be? Are you in the Chesapeake area?

Craig,

I have a Norwalk Islands Sharpie 18 that I launched in August 2001.
And yes, I'm on the Chesapeake.  More details at
http://www.stompingground.com/users/jclayton.

Jack

twinsfan2020 wrote:

> Other picture is joint where the stern and side meet.  Since its
> pretty loose yet and not being assembled, it probably doesn't show
> for sure that bevel spot.  I still don't think it needs a bevel and
> since its so easy to skip doubt if previous builders would even
> mention it.  The width of the boat doesn't change at all in the back
> half.

I thought in Jim's reply 'Seeing both planks on edge' must have meant viewing at
an angle
off to one side.
I'm very reluctant to doubt him, especially when he's had another look and
clarified it.

One thing in your favor is that if you look at the plans in the book for the
Power QT
skiff, it has  a similar stern, though with a slight curve left in the sides.
The transom
side bevel there is only 2 degrees, an amount easily filled by your choice of
thickened goop.

Mark

The weather forcast for this weekend @ Rend lake,
always subject to change, of course;

Friday tempts ranging from 55 to 78, chance of rain.

Sat. temps ranging from 55 to 78, chance of rain
in morning.

Sunday a bit warmer and no rain.

No need for air-conditioned tents.


I am plannning on arriving at the lake at about
09:00 Friday morning, and will be parking the red
truck @ the ramp parking lot after launching.

I imagine that Jim will be a few hours behind me.

You apparently can't check-into the campspots until
4:00 pm, unless you have the spot the day before
as well, but there is a lakefront picinic area
between the boat ramp and the campground and if
I am not out on the Lake, I will most likely be
around there.  Boats can be beached at the picinic
area


Max

Anybody have any thoughts
> on a better attachment method?
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Doug

Hi Doug,

When I built a Nymph I just made two cleats, one at the gunwale and one at the
bottom of the side panel.  They were shaped like a shallow D with the opening
parallel to the boat's center line and in inboard edges curved to fit the side
curvature.  They were bolted and epoxied to hull and the board was used like a
daggerboard and worked well.

Reed

Today I launched my Roar2 for the first time. I floats well.
I did not finish everything before I did this. I followed Jim's
suggestion about a float trial to make sure of the oarlock location.
I used big c clamps on the gunnels. The spot called for on the plans
for the oarlock location was perfect I think. For some odd reason I
did not put on a skeg yet. What a wiggly squerrel. The aft end kept
trying to get up front,and quickly too. I was very impressed a how
light weight the boat seemed. like I was floating on a paper plate.
The stability was better than I expected. So I'm very Happy.
The 1/4 inch thick plywood bottom did not seem to bend under my 217
lbs. A Good thing.
Steve Yahn

Steve,

I just ordered Roar2 plans, expecting a light but able cartopper. Glad to hear
the big
investment is likely to pay off...

Any idea how much yours weighs ( in what kind of ply and how much sheathing ) ?

Tx,
Mark

yahn101a wrote:
>
> Today I launched my Roar2 for the first time. I floats well.
> I did not finish everything before I did this. I followed Jim's
> suggestion about a float trial to make sure of the oarlock location.
> I used big c clamps on the gunnels. The spot called for on the plans
> for the oarlock location was perfect I think. For some odd reason I
> did not put on a skeg yet. What a wiggly squerrel. The aft end kept
> trying to get up front,and quickly too. I was very impressed a how
> light weight the boat seemed. like I was floating on a paper plate.
> The stability was better than I expected. So I'm very Happy.
> The 1/4 inch thick plywood bottom did not seem to bend under my 217
> lbs. A Good thing.
> Steve Yahn

I applied sikaflex 291 as a sealant between deck boards on an old
wooden powerboat. SOme of it is rough. Is there any way to smooth
this after it has been applied?

That's a boat cart we picked up a couple of years (maybe 3 or 4?) from
West Marine. Ain't cheap ($130??) but very handy. Knocks down easily
into axle, wheels, and bunks. The wheels are like wheelbarrow wheels
except plastic. We roll the Roar about 1/2 mile or so to put it in the
river as it doesn't take much more time than cartopping. I bet with a
little ingenuity you could save 2/3 or more of the price by making
something with wheelbarrow wheels. The wheels are low pressure so you
can roll on sand or rough surfaces. However, we've found that the bunks
are too flexible to carry a large adult without risk of collapse, though
  a total load of 150 lbs or less should be ok.

>steve_crogan wrote:
>Hi - I'd like to hear more about the trailer shown under the boats in
>the "Roar and Nymph" picture which is in the "sorta Roar 2" folder,
>all in Michalak_Boats_Photos_Only.  I'm getting ready to start Roar2
>and have been wondering how to cart it around.  Thanks!
>Steve Crogan
>Seattle
>

Congrats! Fun, isn't it?

The 1/4" is prettty good as long as you don't run into a submerged rock
at 4 knots or so (rowing plus current).I'm about your weight and have
had no other troubles in that department.

I'm hoping you will soon try rowing into some chop so I can hear how a
correctly made one works. I took over a project that didn't quite match
the lines as drawn (as you can see in the inverted picture in the Photos
Only group) and it hobbyhorses and gets held up. OTOH, we can carry 4
adults with plenty of freeboard, which I bet is more than most. It's
hard to find places for them, and the hobbyhorsing when hitting a wake
with passengers up in the bow and back in the stern is impressive.

We orignially had a slightly undersized skeg (smaller than the plans
show) and had to make it a bit larger, then it behaved. So make it match
the plans exactly.

>Steve Yahn wrote:
>Today I launched my Roar2 for the first time. I floats well.
>I did not finish everything before I did this. I followed Jim's
>suggestion about a float trial to make sure of the oarlock location.
>I used big c clamps on the gunnels. The spot called for on the plans
>for the oarlock location was perfect I think. For some odd reason I
>did not put on a skeg yet. What a wiggly squerrel. The aft end kept
>trying to get up front,and quickly too. I was very impressed a how
>light weight the boat seemed. like I was floating on a paper plate.
>The stability was better than I expected. So I'm very Happy.
>The 1/4 inch thick plywood bottom did not seem to bend under my 217
>lbs. A Good thing.
>Steve Yahn
>

--- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, "vexatious2001" <cadbury@s...> wrote:
> The weather forcast for this weekend @ Rend lake,
> always subject to change, of course;
>
> Friday tempts ranging from 55 to 78, chance of rain.
>
> Sat. temps ranging from 55 to 78, chance of rain
> in morning.
>
> Sunday a bit warmer and no rain.
>
> No need for air-conditioned tents.
>
>



forcast as of Tuesday evening:


Friday 55 f to 78 f, chance of rain early
and late in day.

Saturday 59F to 79 F with NO MENTION OF RAIN

Sunday  58 f to 78 F with chance of rain late.


Bring your mashmellow roast'n sticks!


Max

Hi Mark. I used doug fir plywood, $12 dollar a sheet. I used 10 oz glass cloth.
The bottom panel was covered and over the corners about 3 inches. Then up on the
knuckle a strip of 3.5 inch wide. Three tiangular hanky size scraps for the
beach scratcher. And inside 3.5 inch strips on all the joints.
And one coat of west system epoxy over every inch inside and out to seal the
wood. I have not weighed it yet. I'm not sure how to do it yet.  Also it is not
completely finished. The skeg and oarlock blocks/pads are not on yet.
I'll follow up when I know the rest.
Good Luck,Steve Yahn
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mark A.
   To: Michalak@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 2:38 AM
   Subject: Re: [Michalak] Roar2 Launch


   Steve,

   I just ordered Roar2 plans, expecting a light but able cartopper. Glad to hear
the big
   investment is likely to pay off...

   Any idea how much yours weighs ( in what kind of ply and how much sheathing )
?

   Tx,
   Mark

   yahn101a wrote:
   >
   > Today I launched my Roar2 for the first time. I floats well.
   > I did not finish everything before I did this. I followed Jim's
   > suggestion about a float trial to make sure of the oarlock location.
   > I used big c clamps on the gunnels. The spot called for on the plans
   > for the oarlock location was perfect I think. For some odd reason I
   > did not put on a skeg yet. What a wiggly squerrel. The aft end kept
   > trying to get up front,and quickly too. I was very impressed a how
   > light weight the boat seemed. like I was floating on a paper plate.
   > The stability was better than I expected. So I'm very Happy.
   > The 1/4 inch thick plywood bottom did not seem to bend under my 217
   > lbs. A Good thing.
   > Steve Yahn

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Thanks for the detail, Steve.

For weight, if you can lift the boat to a shoulder while standing on a bathroom
scale,
that'll do it. Or stand the boat up on the transom end for a moment.

Cheers,
Mark


Stephen Yahn wrote:
>
> Hi Mark. I used doug fir plywood, $12 dollar a sheet. I used 10 oz glass
cloth. The bottom panel was covered and over the corners about 3 inches. Then up
on the knuckle a strip of 3.5 inch wide. Three tiangular hanky size scraps for
the beach scratcher. And inside 3.5 inch strips on all the joints.
> And one coat of west system epoxy over every inch inside and out to seal the
wood. I have not weighed it yet. I'm not sure how to do it yet.  Also it is not
completely finished. The skeg and oarlock blocks/pads are not on yet.
> I'll follow up when I know the rest.
> Good Luck,Steve Yahn

Check out Harbor Freight, they have a sale on blue Nitrile gloves
which are 100% better for use with epoxy than latex (also no latex
allergy problems also) for about 8 bucks for a hundred pair. Not bad.

Jules

You might want to look on Ebay.  I bought a case of 1000 gloves for $16.00.
I did have
to pay freight which nearly doubled the price but they were still
inexpensive.

James Fuller


-----Original Message-----
From: lulalake_1999 [mailto:lulalake_1999@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 8:36 AM
To: Michalak@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Michalak] Nitrile Gloves


Check out Harbor Freight, they have a sale on blue Nitrile gloves
which are 100% better for use with epoxy than latex (also no latex
allergy problems also) for about 8 bucks for a hundred pair. Not bad.

Jules



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> The 1/4" is prettty good as long as you don't run
> into a submerged rock
> at 4 knots or so (rowing plus current).I'm about
> your weight and have
> had no other troubles in that department.

I wouldn't worry excessively, you'll be surprised how
easily the boat will deflect when you do hit something
bit, plus you're more likely to hit something with a
chine (i.e. a strong point) than with an unsupported
panel.

Also bear in mind that I've hit some fairly impressive
objects (not rocks) in a 1/8" or less rowing shell
without incurring damage.

Al

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OK Thanks
Steve Yahn
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Al
   To: Michalak@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:17 AM
   Subject: Re: [Michalak] Re: Roar2 Launch


   > The 1/4" is prettty good as long as you don't run
   > into a submerged rock
   > at 4 knots or so (rowing plus current).I'm about
   > your weight and have
   > had no other troubles in that department.

   I wouldn't worry excessively, you'll be surprised how
   easily the boat will deflect when you do hit something
   bit, plus you're more likely to hit something with a
   chine (i.e. a strong point) than with an unsupported
   panel.

   Also bear in mind that I've hit some fairly impressive
   objects (not rocks) in a 1/8" or less rowing shell
   without incurring damage.

   Al

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You folks have a fun time, but remember to take some pics for those of
us that can't make it.......

Rick

What you really want to do is find a friend who works in an Emergency
Room or somesuch hospital setting. The dark purple, MUCH thicker
nitrile gloves they use are the best. One pair will outlast a dozen or
more of the thin light blue type sold at Harbor Freight.....

Rick


--- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999" <lulalake_1999@y...>
wrote:
> Check out Harbor Freight, they have a sale on blue Nitrile gloves
> which are 100% better for use with epoxy than latex (also no latex
> allergy problems also) for about 8 bucks for a hundred pair. Not
bad.
>
> Jules

Can someone post driving directions to thr Rend Lake messabout? And
the exact name of the campground so I can plug it into Mapquest?

I was trying to get "Twisted Seagull" ready, but I'm just not gonna'
make it, so I'm taking some photos of a 90% completed Welsford
Seagull, and throwing the "Ada E", my wife's Bolger Nymph in ther
back of the truck. If there's room I'll toss in the world's ugliest
Payson Pirogue also.

We're heading out this afternoon, if I've got the directions.

See ya'all there.

Bruce and Elaine Hector

THE 14TH ANNUAL MIDWEST HOMEBUILT BOAT MESSABOUT will take place at Rend
Lake in Southern Illinois on the weekend of June 7 and 8. Lots of folks come
on Friday and leave early Sunday. Take I-57 to exit 77W and then follow the
signs to the Gun Creek Recreation Area. Camping at this Corps of Engineers
facility is $10/night and that includes the ramp fee. There is no schedule
of events except a pot luck dinner in the campground on Saturday evening- we
wing it. This year some of us have reserved the campsites on the water of
the two middle camping loops so look for us there if we aren't at the boat
ramp.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Hector" <bruce_hector@...>
To: <Michalak@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:32 AM
Subject: [Michalak] Midwest Messabout directions


> Can someone post driving directions to thr Rend Lake messabout? And
> the exact name of the campground so I can plug it into Mapquest?
>
> I was trying to get "Twisted Seagull" ready, but I'm just not gonna'
> make it, so I'm taking some photos of a 90% completed Welsford
> Seagull, and throwing the "Ada E", my wife's Bolger Nymph in ther
> back of the truck. If there's room I'll toss in the world's ugliest
> Payson Pirogue also.
>
> We're heading out this afternoon, if I've got the directions.
>
> See ya'all there.
>
> Bruce and Elaine Hector
>
>
>
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>

--- In Michalak@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Leinweber" <chuck@d...> wrote:

Thanks Chuck,

We're heading out around noon today, s/b around Detroit overnight and
arrive Rend Lake Friday night. We'll be staying in a motel, but will
bring folding chairs to sit around the fire and gam boats.

Bringing a Nymph and/or Pirogue plus very recent photos of my 90%
finished, but not quite ready to get wet, Welsford Seagull.

Is there a prize for longest drive?

Bruce Hector

I'm not Steve, but I have one of these. Mystery ply looks like it might
be luan but is quite moisture resistant as it was outside for quite a
while before I took it over. 6oz glass and epoxy on bott., 1 oz most
other places. Easy to pick up an carry around for me, but then I'm a
reasonably large guy ( I SHOULD weigh 180). I'm guessing the boat is 70
or 80 lbs. Maybe a bit less. Haven't bothered to weigh it, but to me it
seems comparable to our Brick which I recall weighs maybe 74 lbs. Easier
to move around merely due to less bulk.

>Mark wrote:
>Steve,
>
>I just ordered Roar2 plans, expecting a light but able cartopper. Glad to hear
the big
>investment is likely to pay off...
>
>Any idea how much yours weighs ( in what kind of ply and how much sheathing ) ?
>
>Tx,
>Mark
>

Come on down!

The second Lake Charles Messabout will be on August 2, 2003 at the Lake Charles
Yacht Club under the bridge on Lake Charles in Louisiana.  The club features a
launch area, sandy beaches, piers, a clubhouse with restrooms and showers, shady
areas and good companionship.

Activities:  No scheduled activities but a lunch of hot dogs and chili will be
served at about noon and an informal dinner will be served in the evening.  The
dinner is a Club function and was scheduled on this date in conjunction with the
Messabout.  Happy hour will start at about 6:00 pm with dinner following.  Menu
is unknown but the Bonneys always have good food!

Who is invited?  Anyone interested in ''Messing About in Boats''.  (This
includes Club members.)

The grounds can be used for camping if you like and some slips are available.  I
suggest that participants start arriving about mid-morning but anytime is fine. 
If you plane to arrive early, or Friday, let me know and I'll arrange to have
the gate opened.

What is a messaabout?  It is just a gathering of people interested in small
boats, either paddle, oar, power or sail.  It generally brings out home built
boats but Potters, Montgomerys, Ventures, etc. are all welcome.  I'll probably
have my PocketCat 18 and an Uncle John 10 in the water.

For additional information contact me at abrahams@...

Ken Abrahams



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I'm not worried, but what I said was based on actual experience. We got
a little bit of a leak and the wood delaminated in that area. I cut it
out and replaced it with a small plug of ply glassed in. I would guess
with only one person in the boat or without the current it might not
have broken at all. As it was we were stuck on top of the rock for a
minute or two. Nasty submerged rock out in the middle of the stream, not
leaving much wake. I think a lot of boats would have broken.

>AL wrote:
>
>
>>> The 1/4" is prettty good as long as you don't run
>>> into a submerged rock
>>> at 4 knots or so (rowing plus current).I'm about
>>> your weight and have
>>> had no other troubles in that department.
>>
>>
>
>I wouldn't worry excessively, you'll be surprised how
>easily the boat will deflect when you do hit something
>bit, plus you're more likely to hit something with a
>chine (i.e. a strong point) than with an unsupported
>panel.
>
>Also bear in mind that I've hit some fairly impressive
>objects (not rocks) in a 1/8" or less rowing shell
>without incurring damage.
>
>Al
>