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#14971 From: Brawkha@...
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:10 pm
Subject: Analysis: Obama’s Cairo Speech
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This analysis and that of Obama's speech at the UN are posted on the site below in reverse order--that is, the newest are at the top. 

Analysis: Obama’s Cairo Speech

 

Preface

Obama in Cairo

Obama in Cairo

Okay, okay . . . I know this post is a little late…but it has given me time to read and dissect Obama’s much anticipated speech to the Muslim world. In addition, I have read various news accounts and political pundit’s analyses of the speech and what they believe the significance might be.

Now it’s my turn. I have developed a four part series highlighting the most important issues as I see them. The articles are as follows:

  • Part I – Islam and Religious Freedom…A Dilemma
  • Part II – Palestinian/Israeli Conflict
  • Part III – Why does Osama Bin Laden Hate Obama?
  • Part IV – Confusing Turnaround on Iran’s Nuclear Capability

#14970 From: "Bruce Porteous" <bruceporteous50@...>
Date: Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:55 pm
Subject: GLOBAL ECONOMIC CHAOS SOON TO UNFOLD
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GLOBAL ECONOMIC CHAOS SOON TO UNFOLD  


The world is entering a period of economic upheaval that has never before been experienced in history.  While many economists proclaim that the world economy is recovering from the near global economic collapse of 2008, the reality is that like a tsunami following an earthquake, an economic tsunami will soon arrive following the economic earthquake of last year.

In an attempt to prevent the global economic system from collapsing, the printing of currency by central banks around the world has been like pouring oil on an out of control fire.  Injecting so much liquidity into the worlds banking system may have temporally prevented a global economic collapse last year, but it has failed to correct the fundamental problems that caused the crisis in the first place.  Rather, central banks have just created the environment for a global economic collapse on a scale the world has never experienced.  They have created the perfect economic storm.

As a result of injecting trillions of dollars into the worlds banking system, this newly created fiat money is now beginning to flow into the global economy.  There is a general feeling that the recession is over and that the good times will soon be here again.  This false sense of optimism is based on the assumption that the banking system once again lending to consumers financing their consumption lifestyles, will jump start a new era of prosperity.  Many advanced nations have taken that it is their right to exploit the planets resources to maintain their living standards.  Yet nothing has been done to correct the fiscal problems that caused to economic crisis in the first place. 

The stage is now set for hyperinflation.  According to investor Marc Faber in a recent Bloomberg interview, the US will experience inflation rates similar to those which took place in Zimbabwe rising to 231 million percent in July.  Inflation at this level means the currency will become worthless, as Germany experienced in 1923 during the economic chaos of the Weimar Republic.  Just as Germany experienced at that time, the current, impending economic disaster will bring great hardship to those people on fixed incomes, and to the nation as a whole.

The economic crisis of 2008 was primarily caused by excessive credit in the global banking system, and the large current account and budget deficits of the English speaking world, especially for the USA and UK.  Large surpluses in US dollars used to pay for consumer goods from Asia were recycled back into the US and British banks; encouraging them to create new financial products to develop consumer markets to recycle money.  This has resulted in an unsustainable property boom, encouraging extravagant consumer spending habits, and debt. This has enabled the banks to enslave the people of the Anglo-Saxon nations in bondage under a mountain of debt, earning for themselves excessive profits and bonuses on the money lent by foreign investors.  Due to very lax lending rules, it was inevitable that eventually the inability of many bank customers to repay their loans emerged as one of the key causes of the current crisis.

Central banks injecting money into the their domestic banks may have saved the banking system from a total melt-down last year, but this capital injection has not corrected the cause of the original problem.  The Anglo-Saxon nations growing current account and budget deficits continue to mount, and they depend on the inflow of Asian capital to finance these deficits.  Their budget deficits have blown out of control following the bail-outs and can only be financed through printing even more fiat money or borrowing at ever increasing interest rates. The stage has been set for the dramatic and sudden collapse of the English-speaking nations.

Americas creditors have become increasingly alarmed about the sustainability of the U.S. being able to finance its budget and current account deficits.  There is now discussion amongst world financial leaders of replacing the US dollar as the worlds reserve currency with a basket of currencies, to finance international trade.  However this is unlikely to be effective as it will mean the establishment of an organisation such as the IMF which would also have the power to regulate the member countries money supply.  Nations will be unlikely to give up their national sovereignty to allow this to happen.

We are now seeing the downward spiral in the value of the U.S. dollar against the Euro and some other currencies.  The dollar will continue to fall in value unless the USA can correct its current account and budget deficits.  There is little chance of this happening with rising oil prices, the maintenance of an unaffordable global military establishment bogged down with unwinnable wars, and the large amount of money required to support the economy collapsing last year.  The Federal Reserve may soon be forced to increase interest rates in an attempt to support the dollar, but this will only bring about more corporate collapses, defaults on home mortgages, and a lack of confidence in the US economy.  Either way the US cannot save its economy from collapse.

The collapse of the $US will trigger economic turmoil around the world.  Those nations with reserves in US dollars will suffer massive losses as their foreign reserves are wiped out with the collapse of the dollar.  In particular this will have a major impact on China and Japan, as both nations have large holdings in US dollar reserves not to mention massive holdings in Treasury Certificates and other Federal Vouchers.  The losses the Asian economies will suffer will bring wide-spread economic depression in Asia.  These nations will blame the Anglo-Saxon nations for their plight, and for good reason.  Japan, already burden with a national debt almost the same size at that of America could well face bankruptcy along with other heavily indebted nations in the region.

There is only one economic region that will withstand the fall-out of the economic collapse of the Anglo-Saxon nations, and that is the EU.  In spite of many skeptics predicting that the Euro would not survive as a single currency, it has proved to have been remarkably successful. The model adopted by the Euro zone nations can also be adopted globally, creating a single world currency. The European Central Bank which imposes financial disciplines on the member states of the Euro zone, has created fiscal stability in the region.  While unemployment has increased in the EU following the crisis, member states are making adjustments to the management of their economies to lay the foundations for solid economic growth in the future. This will eventually be a stimulus to world trade, stop currency speculation and restore global prosperity.  It would remove tariff barriers, trade protectionism, and stimulate world trade between Asia and Europe.

The recent acceptance by the EU member states of the Treaty of Lisbon will enable the EU to have a single President, Foreign Minister and defense policy.  The actual shape of this new Europe is yet to take place, but no doubt the sudden economic collapse of the Anglo-Saxon nations will trigger off a political and economic crisis in Europe, to where the Europeans will be willing to accept a single strong leader to restore economic prosperity and social order, even if it means giving up some individual freedoms.

The outcome of this chaos will result in the end of democracy, and free market Anglo-Saxon capitalism.  A desperate world will be willing to give up many individual freedoms to support a strong leader in order to have prosperity and economic order.  The international banking system will become strictly regulated no longer will bankers be able to enrich themselves at the expense of savers.  New technology will enable a global central bank to control the currency supply, and implement controls to prevent taxation avoidance, money laundering, and unfair balance of trade deficits.

Such a new world order can only be brought about by a strong  European leader with dictatorial powers that would allow him or her  to have the authority to bring about the controls to reform the global economy and restore prosperity to the world.  This leader will be looked upon as the savior of the worlds economy, and will be given the power to not only regulate the global economy, but also the way people live and trade.

The coming collapse of the Anglo-Saxon nations will see their people soon slide into total poverty there money will be worthless, their people facing starvation, diseases, and internal conflict.  They will receive little sympathy or support from the rest of the world.  These nations will enter a period of total collapse, and their skilled workers used to provide the labor force for advanced nations in Europe and Asia requiring skilled workers to maintain their aging populations.

The stage is now set for these events to unfold quickly and suddenly.  It will catch many by surprise to see the dollar and British pound collapse and loose or value once creditors loose confidence in these currencies there will be panic selling, hyper-inflation and economic collapse.  It will create a new world economic order where the world will prosper under the authority of this new global leader, with the exception of the Anglo-Saxon nations.  It will be the end result of a perfect economic tsunami brought on by the self-destructive, thunderous collapse of Anglo-American capitalistic greed. 

Bruce Porteous

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18 October, 2009 


#14969 From: Messianic Girl <messianicgrl@...>
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 6:12 pm
Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad's 'Jewish Family'?
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it is possible.. alot of Jewish people were/are forced to convert to Islam.



On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:27 AM, <Brawkha@...> wrote:

Subject: Ahmadinejad's 'Jewish Family' A hidden family history? January 27, 2009
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This is one of several sites on Google claiming the Ahmadinejad family has Jewish roots. -- -- -- -- -- How ironic!!! CM

Ahmadinejad's 'Jewish Family'

http://gdb.rferl.org/68DFFC31-C00C-4640-8859-3F52FC3085A6_mw800_mh600.jpg

A hidden family history?

January 27, 2009
Mehdi Khazali, the son of the conservative Ayatollah Khazali, has written on his personal website that he recently learned that President Mahmud Ahmadinejad has Jewish roots.

Khazali notes that Ahmadinejad changed his family name from Saburjian, and says that the origins of the Saburjian family in the town of Aradan should be investigated.

Ahmadinejad's relatives had told Britain's
"The Guardian" following his election that the family had changed its name for "a mixture of religious and economic reasons."

"The name change provides an insight into the devoutly Islamic working-class roots of Mr. Ahmadinejad's brand of populist politics," journalist Robert Tait wrote in "The Guardian." "The name Saborjhian derives from thread painter -- sabor in Farsi -- a once common and humble occupation in the carpet industry in Semnan Province, where Aradan is situated. Ahmad, by contrast, is a name also used for the Prophet Muhammad and means virtuous; nejad means race in Farsi, so Ahmadinejad can mean Muhammad's race or virtuous race.

Ahmadinejad, of course, is known for his frequent slurs and threats against the Jewish state of Israel. The claim about his background should be seen in the context of a growing rift among the president's political allies, the so-called principlists, in the run-up to the June presidential election.

-- Golnaz Esfandiari
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#14968 From: Brawkha@...
Date: Wed Oct 7, 2009 4:27 am
Subject: Ahmadinejad's 'Jewish Family'?
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Subject: Ahmadinejad's 'Jewish Family' A hidden family history? January 27, 2009
To:

This is one of several sites on Google claiming the Ahmadinejad family has Jewish roots.  --  --  --  --  --  How ironic!!!  CM

Ahmadinejad's 'Jewish Family'

http://gdb.rferl.org/68DFFC31-C00C-4640-8859-3F52FC3085A6_mw800_mh600.jpg

A hidden family history?

January 27, 2009
Mehdi Khazali, the son of the conservative Ayatollah Khazali, has written on his personal website that he recently learned that President Mahmud Ahmadinejad has Jewish roots.

Khazali notes that Ahmadinejad changed his family name from Saburjian, and says that the origins of the Saburjian family in the town of Aradan should be investigated.

Ahmadinejad's relatives had told Britain's
"The Guardian" following his election that the family had changed its name for "a mixture of religious and economic reasons."

"The name change provides an insight into the devoutly Islamic working-class roots of Mr. Ahmadinejad's brand of populist politics," journalist Robert Tait wrote in "The Guardian." "The name Saborjhian derives from thread painter -- sabor in Farsi -- a once common and humble occupation in the carpet industry in Semnan Province, where Aradan is situated. Ahmad, by contrast, is a name also used for the Prophet Muhammad and means virtuous; nejad means race in Farsi, so Ahmadinejad can mean Muhammad's race or virtuous race.”

Ahmadinejad, of course, is known for his frequent slurs and threats against the Jewish state of Israel. The claim about his background should be seen in the context of a growing rift among the president's political allies, the so-called principlists, in the run-up to the June presidential election.

-- Golnaz Esfandiari
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#14967 From: "Cami McCraw" <cmccraw@...>
Date: Sun Oct 4, 2009 4:47 am
Subject: Re: David Rohl - possible speaking engagement?
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Dear Messianic_Apologetic group & mod -
   You are so nice! No need to apologize at all! (re: your note, below.) I do try
not to post too often.
   I am leaving my previous note below, but would just like to add 2 quick
things:
   (1) We are looking for a venue (or two!) to work out a speaking engagement for
David Rohl in the USA. He does stay booked months in advance, so realistically
we are likely looking at 2011 or even 2012. If anyone is connected to a school
or church (or museum?) and is interested, we will give you a nice
'advertisement' in the credit roll of the new DVDs.
  (2) The '3rd DVD' I mention in the post below is re: 'Eden'.
   Thanks everyone!
   Cami McCraw


--- In Messianic_Apologetic@yahoogroups.com, "Cami McCraw" <cmccraw@...> wrote:
>   David Rohl's special TV program 'Pharaohs & Kings: A Biblical Quest' was
released last September on DVD, but only on a very limited basis. There are very
few copies left.
>  (Also, if you order one of these DVDs, there is a special 3rd DVD
> available- just write to me and ask me about it!  stretch@...)
>   You can order both 'Pharaohs & Kings' and the David Rohl seminar shot in
Florida ('Myth or Reality') here:
>   http://stretchproductions.com/RohlProducts.html
>   David Rohl video SAMPLES in the center of the page:
> http://www.youtube.com/StretchProductions
>    Thanks!
> -Cami McCraw
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newchronology/
>
> (mod note)
> apologies for the delay Cami

#14966 From: "Ed dalcours 10 questions answered By MLCulwell" <mlculwell@...>
Date: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:16 pm
Subject: Word inThe Septuagint
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Steve A, AKA Praxeas, I covet your opinion. I was wondering what you think about
this from a Trinitarian I have encountered. Of Course you know I am Oneness, I
am about to engage this person and was wondering how much information you know
about what is being said.

Manuel

  He writes:
"I'm going to give you a collection of information regarding the meaning of term
"Word" during the time of Christ amongst Jews. As I said in the previous thread,
when interpreting Scripture first determine what it says, then work on what it
means. In determining the meaning of what something says, you must look at
context. And while you must look at the context on the passage, you must also
take into consideration the context on the time and culture it was said; what
would the writer have meant, what would the audience have understood? To do
otherwise is to practice eisegesis rather than exegesis.

In John 1, the word "Word" is Logos in the Greek. To the Jews, the word would
have been the Aramaic "Memra." That said, the following is from the Jewish New
Testament Commentary:

"Word" translates Greek logos. While "logos" had a role in pagan Gnosticism as
one of the steps through which people work their way up to God and as such found
it way into numerous Jewish and Christian heresies, here it does not bespeak a
pagan intrusion into the New Testament, as some suppose. Rather, it corresponds
to Aramaic "memra" (also "word"), a technical theological term used by the
rabbis in the centuries before and after Yeshua when speaking of God's
expression of himself. In the Septuagint logos translates Hebrew davar, which
can mean not only "word" but "thing" or "matter"; hence the Messianic Jew
Richard Wurmbrand has suggested this midrashic understanding of the initial
phrase of this verse: "In the beginning was the Real Thing."

Thus the Messiah existed before all creation (compare 17:5). In fact, he was
involved in creation (Co. 1:15, MJ 1:2-3). The Talmud too teaches the Messiah's
pre-existence. According to a baraita (an unattributed teaching from the
Mishnaic period rabbis, who are known as Tanna'im),(Jewish New Testament
Commentary, Introduction to Yochanan, Pg. 154)

I can't provide you a link for the above, I had to type that myself from my
commentary.

The following is are excerpts are from the Jewish Encylopedia. However, rather
than just read some teaser quotes, I encourage you to read the whole article
which can be found here:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...d=399&letter=M

"The Word," in the sense of the creative or directive word or speech of God
manifesting His power in the world of matter or mind; a term used especially in
the Targum as a substitute for "the Lord" when an anthropomorphic expression is
to be avoided.

In the Targum:

In the Targum the Memra figures constantly as the manifestation of the
divinepower, or as God's messenger in place of God Himself, wherever the
predicate is not in conformity with the dignity or the spirituality of the
Deity.

Instead of the Scriptural "You have not believed in the Lord," Targ. Deut. i. 32
has "You have not believed in the word of the Lord"; instead of "I shall require
it [vengeance] from him," Targ. Deut. xviii. 19 has "My word shall require it."
"The Memra," instead of "the Lord," is "the consuming fire" (Targ. Deut. ix. 3;
comp. Targ. Isa. xxx. 27). The Memra "plagued the people" (Targ. Yer. to Ex.
xxxii. 35). "The Memra smote him" (II Sam. vi. 7; comp. Targ. I Kings xviii. 24;
Hos. xiii. 14; et al.). Not "God," but "the Memra," is met with in Targ. Ex.
xix. 17 (Targ. Yer. "the Shekinah"; comp. Targ. Ex. xxv. 22: "I will order My
Memra to be there"). "I will cover thee with My Memra," instead of "My hand"
(Targ. Ex. xxxiii. 22). Instead of "My soul," "My Memra shall reject you" (Targ.
Lev. xxvi. 30; comp. Isa. i. 14, xlii. 1; Jer. vi. 8; Ezek. xxiii. 18). "The
voice of the Memra," instead of "God," is heard (Gen. iii. 8; Deut. iv. 33, 36;
v. 21; Isa. vi. 8; et al.). Where Moses says, "I stood between the Lord and you"
(Deut. v. 5), the Targum has, "between the Memra of the Lord and you"; and the
"sign between Me and you" becomes a "sign between My Memra and you" (Ex. xxxi.
13, 17; comp. Lev. xxvi. 46; Gen. ix. 12; xvii. 2, 7, 10; Ezek. xx. 12). Instead
of God, the Memra comes to Abimelek (Gen. xx. 3), and to Balaam (Num. xxiii. 4).

Mediatorship:

As in ruling over the destiny of man the Memra is the agent of God (Targ. Yer.
to Num. xxvii. 16), so also is it in the creation of the earth (Isa. xlv. 12)
and in the execution of justice (Targ. Yer. to Num. xxxiii. 4). So, in the
future, shall the Memra be the comforter (Targ. Isa. lxvi. 13): "My Shekinah I
shall put among you, My Memra shall be unto you for a redeeming deity, and you
shall be unto My Name a holy people" (Targ. Yer. to Lev. xxii. 12). "My Memra
shall be unto you like a good plowman who takes off the yoke from the shoulder
of the oxen"; "the Memra will roar to gather the exiled" (Targ. Hos. xi. 5, 10).
The Memra is "the witness" (Targ. Yer. xxix. 23); it will be to Israel like a
father (l.c. xxxi. 9) and "will rejoice over them to do them good" (l.c. xxxii.
41). "In the Memra the redemption will be found" (Targ. Zech. xii. 5).

The Logos:

The Memra as a cosmic power furnished Philo the corner-stone upon which he built
his peculiar semi-Jewish philosophy. Philo's "divine thought," "the image" and
"first-born son" of God, "the archpriest," "intercessor," and "paraclete" of
humanity, the "arch type of man" (see Philo), paved the way for the Christian
conceptions of the Incarnation ("the Word become flesh") and the Trinity.

If you study this topic you will here Philo brought up a great deal as he was a
Jewish philosopher/theologian and a contemporary of the Apostle John (though he
was John's senior). I suppose one way to put it is that Philo vacillated between
personifying the Memra and actually hypostasizing the Memra. Here is a quote
from Philo:

To His Word {Memra}, His chief messenger, highest in age and honour, the Father
of all has given the special prerogative, to stand on the border and separate
the creature from the Creator. This same Word both pleads with the immortal as
suppliant for afflicted mortality and acts as ambassador of the ruler to the
subject. He glories in this prerogative and proudly describes it in these words
"and I stood between the Lord and you" (Deut. v. 5), that is neither uncreated
by God, nor created as you, but midway between the two extremes, a surety to
both sides. (Quis rerum divinarum heres sit 205-206)(26)"

#14965 From: Brawkha@...
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:42 pm
Subject: History Unfolding--from Hitler's Germany to Obama's 'Change' in America
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All the more reason to ensure that we are firm in our faith and walking in His Light!
 
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History Unfolding--from Hitler's Germany to Obama's 'Change' in America
 
Take the three minutes to read this.
Maybe he is wrong.
What if he is right?
David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C. , Albany , New York , and Dakar , Senegal .. He attended Harvard University , graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.

He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College . He has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.


Dr. David Kaiser
History Unfolding


I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.

Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.

We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?

We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.

We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy.. Why?

We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?

We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?

Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x  ten...And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.

And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla , Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)

Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?

I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.


This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.

And that is only the beginning..

As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now.

And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,  

How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for.

If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.

So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.

Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.

As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me..

I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.

I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.

David Kaiser    
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States    
I HOPE THIS IF NOTHING ELSE GETS YOU TO THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW AND WHAT MAY LAY AHEAD? IF IT CAUSES THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF CONCERN, PASS IT ON TO OTHERS TO READ AND REPOST IT BEFORE THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR US TO DO. IF YOU ARE ASKED TO TURN IN YOUR GUNS IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WHAT YOU HAVE JUST READ IS COMING TRUE.

#14964 From: Brawkha@...
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:39 pm
Subject: Way International Seeks to Ban Bible by Suing Jewish Group
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http://www.religionnewsblog.com/23574/hebraic-roots-version

Group alleges copyright infringement

Fort Worth, Texas – The Way International, an ostensibly Christian group often branded a “cult” (1) and with a history of alleged anti-Semitism(2), has filed a federal lawsuit against The Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism (also known as the Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim http://www.wnae.org), an organization of Jewish believers in Yeshua (Jesus) as the Messiah of Judaism.

The suit claims that the Hebraic Roots Version (HRV) Bible, the standard version of the Scriptures for many Nazarene Jews worldwide, infringes on the copyright of the Aramaic English Interlinear New Testament once published by the Way. The Way seeks through this suit, to ban the HRV Bible.

The Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism maintains that all translations of the Bible read very much alike and that the Hebraic Roots Version does not infringe on anyone else’s copyright.

This action is the latest in a series of similar legal actions by the Way International which raise questions concerning the free exercise of religion.

In 2007 The Way International sent a letter to The Way, a Baptist church located in Grant County, Kentucky, threatening to sue them over use of the name “The Way”(3)

That same year, they filed a lawsuit against “The Way Ministries” claiming trademark infringement (4).

The term “The Way” is actually a term found in the Bible for the early followers of Yeshua (Jesus) (Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23 & 24:14).

In this latest move, The Way International seeks not only to control use of the biblical term “The Way,” but also seeks to ban the accepted Scriptures of a Messianic Jewish Group.

(1) Listed as a “cult” by Watchman Fellowship a leading Christian anti-Cult ministry. Their “profile” on the Way International is at: http://www.watchman.org/profile/waypro.htm

(2) The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette says concerning The Way International: ”Charges of anti-Semitism brought more unwanted publicity when followers were urged to read “The Myth of the Six Million” and “The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.” Both books cast doubt on the Holocaust. Six ex-followers have told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazettethat Wierwille and other Way leaders had taught that the Holocaust was a myth concocted by the Jews.”

- The Way: After a family breaks up, questions arise about the group; By Mary Hargrove; Arkansas Democrat-Gazette Staff Writer
(http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/way/11.asp)

(3) http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/news/latest/the-way-internationals-lawyers-strike-again.html

(4) http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-kywdce/case_no-3:2007cv00368/case_id-62046/

- The Way International Seeks to Ban Bible by Suing Jewish Group, Press Release, Rabbi Robert Miller, International Assembly of Nazarene Israelites, Aug. 21, 2009>

#14963 From: Brawkha@...
Date: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:13 am
Subject: Medical tyranny?
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Dear Reader,

Forced entry. Seizure and destruction of your property. Restriction of assembly. Government control of food, clothing, and shelter. Forced isolation.

Straight out of Orwell's 1984, right?

Nope—it's all contained in a bill currently making its way through the Massachusetts legislative system. One that violates our rights with reckless abandon. And I wouldn't be surprised if many more states were to follow.

Basically, once the governor declares a state of emergency (a designation that can be renewed every 90 days, mind you), the government can take any actions deemed "necessary to assure the maintenance of public health and the prevention of disease." And I mean ANY actions. The list provided in the bill takes those rights you enjoy as an American and stomps all over them.

The whole terrifying bill is worth a look, but I'll highlight a few choice bits for you. As if the list I opened with weren't enough, the government of Massachusetts will also be able to:
  • imprison you for six months or fine you $1000 if you violate any orders (Lines 124-127).
  • take any supplies they want from anyone they want to take them from (Lines 94-96).
  • arrest you without a warrant (Lines 480-482).
  • require instate healthcare providers to give vaccinations as a condition of the ability to keep functioning as a healthcare provider in Massachusetts (Lines 97-99).
Now, there is some good news. They can't forces residents to be vaccinated!

..But what they can do is force you into quarantine if you refuse to submit to vaccination. An order for isolation may include any individual who refuses vaccination or medical examination, among other invasive actions, if it's determined that this individual "poses a serious danger to public health."

And anyone who assists during this state of emergency can do all of these things with zero liability.

Unfortunately, this isn't just a "worst-case scenario" interpretation of the bill. No, it's all there in black and white. In fact, you can read the whole 28-page list of the ways the state of Massachusetts plans on violating its citizens' rights
here   <http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st02pdf/st02028.pdf>. And if it scares you as much as it scares me, let your own state representatives know.

Yours in good health,

Christine O'Brien
To start receiving your own copy of the Health e-Tips, visit:
http://www.wrightnewsletter.com/etips/freecopy.html Or forward this e-mail to a friend so they can sign-up to receive their own copy of the Health e-Tips.

#14962 From: Brawkha@...
Date: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:20 pm
Subject: Praise the Lord, Pass the Ammunition: Rabbi’s Got a Gun – Forward.c
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#14961 From: schmuel <schmuel@...>
Date: Tue Sep 8, 2009 11:44 pm
Subject: Michael Brown - Barry Silver debate - on now
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Debate
http://www.greatestdebateofall.com/

Online Streaming
http://66.228.115.186/listen/player.asp?station=wtru-am&

However, no debate that could find.. maybe later.

#14960 From: <wwyd@...>
Date: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:10 pm
Subject: [Messianic_Apologetic] Cornelius
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Hi Folks:

I seem to remember that there was something out that announced an ancient
synagogue that may have been built by Cornelius.  However I am unable to find
anything about this.  Is there anyone who has a link or could reprint the
article here?  Or am I dreaming this?

Shalom, Dee

(mod note)
I was just reading about the issue of the catacombs where pics or writings were
dedicated to Paul and Peter and the theory is that they preached there c. 40 AD.
However the Cornelius question sounds interesting, probably has not been covered
here so time to search a bit, presumably that could be around Jaffa.

#14959 From: BRIHOECK7@...
Date: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:14 am
Subject: Have you made Feast plans yet?
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Friends and brethren,
 
    Shalom 'aleichem (Peace to you)! The Feast is soon approaching (beginning at sunset October 4th through sunset of October 12th). Have you booked your stay with us?
 
PLEASE NOTE: If you plan to make your stay in a cabin, you need to make your reservation now. Unreserved cabins will begin to release to the general public next week, so please book now!
 
     Come and join us for teaching, for Scripture studies, for edification, in singing praises, in worship with dance, in food, in fun, and in great fellowship at "Heaven in the Hills," being Lake Tenkiller State Park near Vian, OK (about 150 miles due east from Oklahoma City--about 85 miles southeast of Tulsa).
 
     Find out more here: http://www.truthontheweb.org/THEFEAST.htm
 
     Please sign the online Guest Book and let us know how many will be attending with you: 2009 FOT Guest Book
 
     What I tell you in secret, SHOUT from the rooftops!!! Please forward this notice on to your friends and brethren...and come keep the Feast at "Heaven in the Hills"! Please write with any questions. See you there!!!
 
in love and truth,
Brian
 
Brian C. Hoeck
Truth On The Web Ministries
www.truthontheweb.org

 

YHVH bless you, and keep you.
YHVH make His face to shine on you, and be gracious to you.
YHVH lift up His face toward you, and give you peace.
 
 
 
 

#14958 From: "Cami McCraw" <cmccraw@...>
Date: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:48 pm
Subject: David Rohl DVDs - update
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Dear Messianic_Apologetic group,
   I tried to post this a few weeks ago but no other posts were making it through
at that time- so I guess it got lost during that break.
   I can see the same old legal issues are on-going with some of your list
updates. This is exactly one reason we did not take money for these DVDs until
everything was completely done and ready to mail out.
   Several of you had followed our progress, so here is the update! I do hope
this can be posted, as its so hard to get these updates to the right folks.
-Thanks!! - Cami
-----------------------

   David Rohl's special TV program 'Pharaohs & Kings: A Biblical Quest' was
released last September on DVD, but only on a very limited basis. There are very
few copies left.
  (Also, if you order one of these DVDs, there is a special 3rd DVD
available- just write to me and ask me about it!  stretch@...)
   You can order both 'Pharaohs & Kings' and the David Rohl seminar shot in
Florida ('Myth or Reality') here:
   http://stretchproductions.com/RohlProducts.html
   David Rohl video SAMPLES in the center of the page:
http://www.youtube.com/StretchProductions
    Thanks!
-Cami McCraw
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newchronology/

(mod note)
apologies for the delay Cami

#14957 From: <themagazine@...>
Date: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:47 pm
Subject: [Messianic_Apologetic] HRV plagiarism under legal fire !
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Hi Steven,
Boy, you really miss a lot if you take 5 years off the computer.
Eric Sandquist is now dissassociated from James T? good, he always seemed
sincere.

I was irked to find out that Ken Westby of the long standing ACD and who was one
of the hosts of the One God Conference in Dallas this spring had Trimm as a
speaker. He really has some Rasputin like qualities.

Shalom.
Christine (aka kazakh@...)

(mod note)
Nice to see you Christine !  For the readers, it was the fortitude and integrity
of Christine that triggered the whole issue of exposing the HRV plagiarism.

#14956 From: "Eric Sandquist" <esandquist@...>
Date: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:21 am
Subject: Re: Re: HRV plagiarism under legal fire ! UPDATE [1 Attachment]
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Indeed...

I have, at great effort, purchased the AEINT texts and concordance after
separating from James.  The word "because" does not exist in the Peshitta
text in the AEINT version.  It is an added word and based on a litteral
translation should have been better rendered "I stand", and not "because I
stand".  Using "because" for grammatical correctness would not have been my
choice, in fact I dont see that it was needed at all.  I would have tried to
choose a different word if a word that could mean that appeared in other
texts that I may have considered more authoritative since it appears in the
AEINT English to avoid thisvery issue. I do not know that it appears in
other texts and do not know what other text he claims to have used for Luke.

Incidentally, I dont believe his "sepher Ha Yashar" to be an accurate
translation either. I believe he only modified the standing base text based
on the Hebrew.  I think he made significant adjustments the first few
chapters, but he produced the rest too fast and I found too much that needed
editing later.  I have obtained the Hebrew text that he claims to have work
for myself and am working on an "interlinear" format translation that peomay
actually be useful...  But since I am not fluent, I expect this project to
take several years.  And NO I am not asking anyone to send my butt money to
produce it.  When it is done, I will deal with a publisher or fund it
myself.

Also, anyone who has a link to nazarene.net on their sight should indicate
that the site is not SANJ/INJS/WNAE(Or what ever new shell he pretends to
have as a cover), but has been repurposed.  I server the community, the
community is not there to serve me.

Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl@...>
To: <Messianic_Apologetic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Messianic_Apologetic] Re: HRV plagiarism under legal fire !
UPDATE [1 Attachment]


> Dear Sir,
>
> This is a copy of what I just sent off to
>
> schmuel@....
>
> May he forgive this sending it to you withou permission.
>
> I happened to read your old article (2004)
> http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/plagiarisms/HRVAveryPaper.htm.
>
> Just recently going through my own work, where I was doing a global
> find/replace to change priest into kohen and priests into kohanim
> (because using 'priests' of pagan and Catholic practice in the N.T.
> English is anachronistic, as these occurrences in the N.T. are all
> pertaining to Judaic office, except one in Act  where it refers to
> 'priest of Zeus'.
>
> When I saw the sample comparison of AEINT and HRV (Luke 1) in your
> article, I could see that Mr. Trimm did even copy an error in v. 19.
>
> "I am Gavri'el because I stand before Eloah."
>
> In both AEINT and HRV, it reads 'because I stand'. No other English
> translations has it that way; it reads 'who stands'.
>
> I put a footnote on this word in my work for a passing interest. I
> have attached here a pdf for several pages of Luke 1:1ff.
>
>
> Oun.
>
> By the way, I did buy a copy of HRV through the web many years ago,
> but hardly make any use of it.
>
>
> I'm attaching the same copy here.  Oun.
>
>
> --
> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean.
> Click here to report this message as spam.
> http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=C5CCB28337.845DB
>
>
>

#14955 From: "Eric Sandquist" <esandquist@...>
Date: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:37 pm
Subject: Re: Re: HRV plagiarism under legal fire ! UPDATE [1 Attachment]
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This is some review of the judge that will be hearing the case:

http://www.therobingroom.com/Judge.aspx?ID=965

Based on what I am seeing, its too bad as when he loses,and I suspect he
will, he will have cause to appeal as this judge has a reputation in not
acting justly and has been reprimanded by higher couts for it.

I would have preferred a judge with an impecable reputation so that all the
arguments would be heard and recourse on appeal would be less.  Since The
Way is a larger organization and out of state, he may side with James as a
local boy and a small fish.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl@...>
To: <Messianic_Apologetic@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Messianic_Apologetic] Re: HRV plagiarism under legal fire !
UPDATE [1 Attachment]


> Dear Sir,
>
> This is a copy of what I just sent off to
>
> schmuel@....
>
> May he forgive this sending it to you withou permission.
>
> I happened to read your old article (2004)
> http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/plagiarisms/HRVAveryPaper.htm.
>
> Just recently going through my own work, where I was doing a global
> find/replace to change priest into kohen and priests into kohanim
> (because using 'priests' of pagan and Catholic practice in the N.T.
> English is anachronistic, as these occurrences in the N.T. are all
> pertaining to Judaic office, except one in Act  where it refers to
> 'priest of Zeus'.
>
> When I saw the sample comparison of AEINT and HRV (Luke 1) in your
> article, I could see that Mr. Trimm did even copy an error in v. 19.
>
> "I am Gavri'el because I stand before Eloah."
>
> In both AEINT and HRV, it reads 'because I stand'. No other English
> translations has it that way; it reads 'who stands'.
>
> I put a footnote on this word in my work for a passing interest. I
> have attached here a pdf for several pages of Luke 1:1ff.
>
>
> Oun.
>
> By the way, I did buy a copy of HRV through the web many years ago,
> but hardly make any use of it.
>
>
> I'm attaching the same copy here.  Oun.
>
>
> --
> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean.
> Click here to report this message as spam.
> http://h0stname/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id=C5CCB28337.845DB
>
>
>

#14954 From: "Cheri" <Davida_Q@...>
Date: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: HRV plagiarism under legal fire !
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Thank you so much for keeping us informed, Schmuel. I have friends who use and
trust this tainted version. I will forward this information (copy, paste, &
e-mail) to a few of them, if you don't mind. I hope and pray that they will be
able to see the truth and respond in a way that is pleasing to Yahuah. I pray
that this man will be brought to justice. I am a strong defender of the Holy
Word, as you know, and am jealous for it--I don't want anyone messing with it,
changing it, or deceiving people by twisting it. It is pure and perfect and
beautiful to me. It is as precious to me as my very own flesh and blood children
are to me.

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

Blessings to you, dear friend, and to all those who love Yahushua in sprit and
in truth,

Cheri Davida

#14953 From: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl@...>
Date: Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:04 am
Subject: Re: Re: HRV plagiarism under legal fire ! UPDATE
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Dear Sir,

This is a copy of what I just sent off to 

schmuel@....

May he forgive this sending it to you withou permission.

I happened to read your old article (2004)
http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/plagiarisms/HRVAveryPaper.htm.

Just recently going through my own work, where I was doing a global
find/replace to change priest into kohen and priests into kohanim
(because using 'priests' of pagan and Catholic practice in the N.T.
English is anachronistic, as these occurrences in the N.T. are all
pertaining to Judaic office, except one in Act  where it refers to
'priest of Zeus'.

When I saw the sample comparison of AEINT and HRV (Luke 1) in your
article, I could see that Mr. Trimm did even copy an error in v. 19.

"I am Gavri'el because I stand before Eloah."

In both AEINT and HRV, it reads 'because I stand'. No other English
translations has it that way; it reads 'who stands'.

I put a footnote on this word in my work for a passing interest. I
have attached here a pdf for several pages of Luke 1:1ff.


Oun.

By the way, I did buy a copy of HRV through the web many years ago,
but hardly make any use of it.


I'm attaching the same copy here.  Oun.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:56 PM, nanasarshalom<nanasarshalom@...> wrote:
>  
>
>  
>
> UPDATE:
>
> 1. COMPLAINT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT AND FALSE ADVERTISING with JURY
> DEMAND against James Trimm, Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism
> filed by The Way International.
>
> (Filing fee $350; Receipt number FW8810)
> (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 1, # 2 Exhibit 2, # 3 Exhibit 3, # 4 Exhibit 4)
> (krg) (Entered: 06/15/2009)
>
> ...Summons Issued as to James Trimm, Society for the Advancement of Nazarene
> Judaism. (krg) (Entered: 06/16/2009)...
>
> http://www.freecourtdockets.com/Dockets/..._98781.htm
>
> ********************
>
> Also some added info about Trimm and the WAY International to refresh your
> memory :)
>
> From the article: Michael Rood & James Trimm & The WAY >
> http://www.SeekGod.ca/trfactor2.htm
>
> "....What James failed to list in his translation resources was The Way
> International Bible. James Trimm also neglected to mention that in 1993 he
> put out a request on the internet, for a copy of that Version.
>
> James Trimm's The Way International Request
>
> From: James.Trimm@... (James Trimm)
> Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
> Subject: WAY INTL & ARAMAIC NT
> Message-ID: <Dec.6.06.15.28.1993.14707@...>
> Date: 6 Dec 93 11:15:28 GMT
>
> ...CALLING ALL MEMBERS AND EX-MEMBERS OF THE WAY INTERNATIONAL!
>
> I am looking for members and ex-members of The Way International. As you may
> know, the late Dr. Wierwille, founder of The Way International, taught that
> the NT was originally written in Aramaic, that the Peshitta Aramaic NT is an
> important witness to the NT text, and that research tools on this subject
> are badly needed. As the following quotes demonstrate:
>
> "...Aramaic was the original language in which the New Testament was
> written..."-- Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille; Twenty-fifth Anniversay Souvenir
> Booklet, p. 17.
>
> "For centuries, the Greek versions of the New Testament have recieved their
> due attention while the Aramaic versions, for the most part, have been
> neglected. Discoveries in textual criticism in the last 150 years, however,
> have shown the Peshitta [Aramaic] text,... and other versions play as vital
> a role as the Greek in ascertaining the original New Testament text... In
> recent times some scholars have demonstrated that a Palestinian Aramaic
> original lies behind the Greek versions of New Testament documents....
> research tools of the Peshitta [Aramaic] Version are essential to this
> task."-- Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille; The Concordance to the Peshitta Version
> of the Aramaic New Testament; p. ix
>
> If you are interested in this type of research we would like to hear from
> you.
>
> HEBREW/ARAMAIC NEW TESTAMENT RESEARCH INSTITUTE
> "Researching & publishing Hebrew and Aramaic N.T. manuscripts"
> ... Hebrew/Aramaic New Testament Research Institute
> PO Box 471
> Hurst, TX 76053..." 4 [spelling as seen]
> *** end quote
>
> Trimm's associations from the same article:
>
> "...When James Trimm appears to have used The Way International Bible for at
> least a source for his "translation" of his Hebrew Roots Version, he made a
> connection to the foundational theology of false prophet Michael John Rood.
> Roods beginnings and many of his current teachings are linked directly to
> Way International theology. But more than that. People who work together and
> believe together, are joined together. It has been alleged that Chris Lingle
> and Eric Sandquist were both reportedly 'former' Way International members
> and worked, and Sandquist continues to work, with James Trimm. If true, that
> means they also, at least while in The Way, denied the Deity of Jesus
> Christ...."
>
> That article also holds more Way International connections to James Trimm.
>
> Michael Rood & James Trimm & The WAY > http://www.SeekGod.ca/trfactor2.htm
>
>  
>
>  
>
>


1 of 1 File(s)


#14952 From: "nanasarshalom" <nanasarshalom@...>
Date: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:56 am
Subject: Re: HRV plagiarism under legal fire ! UPDATE
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UPDATE:

1. COMPLAINT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT AND FALSE ADVERTISING with JURY DEMAND against James Trimm, Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism filed by The Way International.

(Filing fee $350; Receipt number FW8810)
(Attachments: # 1 Exhibit 1, # 2 Exhibit 2, # 3 Exhibit 3, # 4 Exhibit 4) (krg) (Entered: 06/15/2009)

...Summons Issued as to James Trimm, Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism. (krg) (Entered: 06/16/2009)...

http://www.freecourtdockets.com/Dockets/..._98781.htm

********************

Also some added info about Trimm and the WAY International to refresh your memory :)


From the article: Michael Rood & James Trimm & The WAY > http://www.SeekGod.ca/trfactor2.htm

"....What James failed to list in his translation resources was The Way International Bible. James Trimm also neglected to mention that in 1993 he put out a request on the internet, for a copy of that Version.

James Trimm's The Way International Request

From: James.Trimm@... (James Trimm)
Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian
Subject: WAY INTL & ARAMAIC NT
Message-ID: <Dec.6.06.15.28.1993.14707@...>
Date: 6 Dec 93 11:15:28 GMT

...CALLING ALL MEMBERS AND EX-MEMBERS OF THE WAY INTERNATIONAL!

I am looking for members and ex-members of The Way International. As you may know, the late Dr. Wierwille, founder of The Way International, taught that the NT was originally written in Aramaic, that the Peshitta Aramaic NT is an important witness to the NT text, and that research tools on this subject are badly needed. As the following quotes demonstrate:

"...Aramaic was the original language in which the New Testament was written..."-- Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille; Twenty-fifth Anniversay Souvenir Booklet, p. 17.

"For centuries, the Greek versions of the New Testament have recieved their due attention while the Aramaic versions, for the most part, have been neglected. Discoveries in textual criticism in the last 150 years, however, have shown the Peshitta [Aramaic] text,... and other versions play as vital a role as the Greek in ascertaining the original New Testament text... In recent times some scholars have demonstrated that a Palestinian Aramaic original lies behind the Greek versions of New Testament documents.... research tools of the Peshitta [Aramaic] Version are essential to this task."-- Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille; The Concordance to the Peshitta Version of the Aramaic New Testament; p. ix

If you are interested in this type of research we would like to hear from you.

HEBREW/ARAMAIC NEW TESTAMENT RESEARCH INSTITUTE
"Researching & publishing Hebrew and Aramaic N.T. manuscripts"
... Hebrew/Aramaic New Testament Research Institute
PO Box 471
Hurst, TX 76053..." 4 [spelling as seen]
*** end quote

Trimm's associations from the same article:

"...When James Trimm appears to have used The Way International Bible for at least a source for his "translation" of his Hebrew Roots Version, he made a connection to the foundational theology of false prophet Michael John Rood. Roods beginnings and many of his current teachings are linked directly to Way International theology. But more than that. People who work together and believe together, are joined together. It has been alleged that Chris Lingle and Eric Sandquist were both reportedly 'former' Way International members and worked, and Sandquist continues to work, with James Trimm. If true, that means they also, at least while in The Way, denied the Deity of Jesus Christ...."

That article also holds more Way International connections to James Trimm.

Michael Rood & James Trimm & The WAY > http://www.SeekGod.ca/trfactor2.htm

 

 


#14951 From: "nanasarshalom" <nanasarshalom@...>
Date: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: HRV plagiarism under legal fire !
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Vickey Dillion posted this on her SeekGod Forum.  The link to the original post can be found here:
 
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=266
 
 
Update on James Trimm and his HRV.

The Way International has filed a lawsuit June 12, 2009, in Texas Federal Court against James Trimm for CopyRight Infringement.


//dockets.justia.com/browse/state-texas/court-txndce/noscat-10/nos-820/

Federal District Court Filings > Texas > Texas Northern District Court > Intellectual Property > Copyrights

June 12, 2009
The Way International v. Trimm et al TX Northern McBryde Copyrights Copyright Infringement

Plaintiff: The Way International Defendant: James Trimm, Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism


*****

According to James Trimm on one of his blogs, the lawsuit is an attempt to ban his HR version, due to the 'correct Hebrew' etc. In his first announcement he says nothing about copyright infringement being the issue. He also starts his initial announcement post by a brief history of the HRV, albeit lacking the repeated failed delivery dates etc, and compares a few verses the HRV with The Way International's "Aramaic English Interlinear New Testament" (AEINT), declaring their translation to be antinomian, anti torah, etc. He then makes it appear that a different organisation is launching the lawsuit for copyright infringement: [Re failed del dates etc: See: http://www.seekgod.ca/fraudnewsflash.htm

The Bible they are trying to Ban! Posted by James Trimm on August 7, 2009 at 7:47pm

"....Now an ostensibly Christian organization has filed a federal lawsuit seeking to effectively ban the Hebraic Roots Version this is a version of the Bible they do not want you to have!...You can make donations to this legal defense fund at *** or at ***. You can also make tithes and offerings to the WNAE general fund at the same locations." nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-bible-they-are-trying-to

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After a few comments supporting his wonderful and expert version by his followers, he responded with this:

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"Comment by James Trimm on August 7, 2009 at 9:55pm We were served with the suite back on July 15th but have not said anything yet until we had consulted with council and created a legal fund. I am not sure how much of the details of the suite I can reveal yet, am waiting to hear from my atty on some of that. But suffice it to say we believe that banning a Bible would be unconstitutional to say the least. As I said there are more details, but I am waiting for word from our attorney about how much I should state publicly at this time. Among other issues is that arguing this case in the forums, will reveal our legal strategies to the other side before we have even gotten to court."

"Comment by James Trimm on August 7, 2009 at 11:00pm Yes, we believe we can win... but first we have to respond to the suite (or they win by default).
That means serious legal expenses. (We are asking the court to order them to pay our legal fees, but that is all after the fact, and there is no guarantee). "
nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-bible-they-are-trying-to

"Comment by James Trimm on August 8, 2009 at 8:04pm OK I know you all have been asking some questions, and I can now answer SOME of them.

The ostensibly Christian organization suing us is The Way International, the group I wrote of in this blog:
nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/there-is-a-way-which-seems.

Their suite alleges that our Hebraic Roots Version infringes on the copyright their AEINT translation, and they are thus asking the court to effectively ban the HRV. We have not infringed on their copyright and feel very strongly that we can win this case, but that is all I can say right now. It is not our intention to reveal our legal arguments here before ever getting to the court room. This would be like a football team telling the press what plays they intend to run before game day.

No matter how ridiculous you think this suite might be, we must respond to it in court and it is in a court room where we may ultimately have to show it to be ridiculous. If we do not argue our case in court, then they will prevail by default. So even if the suite is ridiculous, we must respond to it and that means legal fees. We MAY recover those fees later, but that will be up to a judge and after the fact, before we even get that far, we must pay those fees and fight this thing.

That is all I can say for now as I said above. "
nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-bible-they-are-trying-to?id=2182335%3ABlogPost%3A31483&page=2#comments.



I believe there is a difference in a lawsuit based on violation of copyright than someone simply attempting to ban a 'bible' aka James Trimm's Hebraic Roots Version, which many would question it's validity and content regardless of beliefs. Yuk

http://www.seekgod.ca/topichrministries.htm#james
 
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Hopefully this will put him out of business.
 
nana

#14950 From: schmuel <schmuel@...>
Date: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:09 pm
Subject: HRV plagiarism under legal fire !
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Hi Folks,

Most of you know some about the HRV plagiarism scam that hurt so many in the Messianic movement.

James Trimm - Hebraic-Roots Version NT Plagiarism 1/19/04 - Steven Avery schmuel@...
http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/plagiarisms/HRVAveryPaper.htm

Apparently now the original authors of the AEINT realized their  material had been plagiarized by James
Trimm and have begun legal action.

"Now an ostensibly Christian organization has filed a federal lawsuit seeking to effectively ban the Hebraic Roots Version this is a version of the Bible they do not want you to have! " - James Trimm

No James, they were simply unhappy that you stole their material, and were concerned either on a financial or integrity level, or both. 

And hopefully, the South African group

The Hebraic Roots Version Scriptures
http://www.isr-messianic.org/pubs/hrv.shtml

who has supported the Trimm plagiarism the last few years will smell some herb tea as well, it is less likely they received papers since they have a minimal USA presence.  Note: they were warned about  this very clearly, years back.

The Trimm attempt to cover his tracks is at:

The Bible they are trying to Ban!
http://nazarenespace.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-bible-they-are-trying-to

If you are on forums where the "ban" canard for the plagiarism is raised, feel free to use the link above
to point out that the HRV is one of the worst, most blatant examples of plagiarism in modern history,
and worse, by an "ostensible Bible-believer".

Shalom,
Steven Avery
Queens, NY


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The speech Geert Wilders would have given: London, Feb. 12, 2009
 
America as the last man standing: September 28, 2008
 
In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: "who lost Europe?"
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for  Freedom, the Netherlands, at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem. The speech was sponsored by the Hudson Institute on September 28, 2008.
 
Quote:

Dear  friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me.

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe.  Then, I will say a few things about Islam.  To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem.

The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the  landmarks. But in all  of these cities, sometimes a  few blocks away from your tourist  destination, there is  another world. It is the world of the  parallel society  created by Muslim mass-migration. All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few  indigenous people reside or  are even seen. And if they are, they  might regret it.  This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead, with mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These  are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.


There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With   larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will
dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal  is: we rule.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden.   

In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most  popular name among  boys in many cities. In some elementary  schools in   Amsterdam  the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean  mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims. Many  state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. 

In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost  exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women  routinely hear  'whore, whore'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to   local TV stations, but to stations in the country of  origin.  In France school  teachers are advised to avoid  authors deemed offensive to Muslims,  including Voltaire  and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of    Darwin .  The history of the  Holocaust  can no longer be taught because of Muslim  sensitivity. In  England sharia courts are now officially  part of the British legal system..

Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost  died after being beaten up by  Muslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan. Jews are fleeing France in record  numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since  World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel .  I could go on forever with stories like this.  Stories about  Islamization.

A total of fifty-four  million Muslims now  live in Europe. San  Diego  University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from  now. Bernhard Lewis has  predicted a Muslim majority by  the end of this century.

Now  these are just  numbers. And the numbers would not be  threatening if the  Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire  to assimilate. But there are  few signs of that. The  Pew    Research   Center  reported that half of French Muslims see  their loyalty to Islam as  greater than their loyalty to France.  One-third of French  Muslims do  not object to suicide  attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate.  Muslims demand what they call  'respect'. And this is how we give  them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to  accept  sharia in the Netherlands if  there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports  from   Morocco and   Turkey . Muslim  demands are  supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from  petty crimes and  random violence, for example against  ambulance workers and bus  drivers, to small-scale riots.  Paris has  seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs,  the banlieus. I call  the perpetrators 'settlers'.  Because that is what they are. They  do not come to  integrate into our societies, they come to  integrate our  society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are  settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed  exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native  people to leave their neighborhoods, their  cities, their  countries. Moreover, Muslims  are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of  Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all  Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi  and Mother  Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several   marriages - at the same  time. Islamic tradition  tells us  how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed  himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu  Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If  it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins, but in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'.  Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to  the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it  dozens of times. I support  Israel. First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including  Auschwitz, second because it is a  democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad,  frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like  Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and  Aceh in Indonesia. Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel ,  Islamic imperialism  would have found other venues to release its  energy and  its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and  America can sleep well and dream,  unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West.  It would not mean our  Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would,  and rightly so, see the  demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the  beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world  domination.  If they can get Israel, they can get everything.

So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of   Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or   'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy  mistake since World War II. And another  60 percent sees  Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a danger greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine.

An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will  turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, & amp; nbsp; Athens and Jerusalem.

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to   Europe 's children in the same state in which it was offered to  us. 

We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so. 

This is not the first time our civilization is under threat. We have seen dangers before. We have been betrayed by our elites before. They have sided with our enemies before. And yet, then, freedom prevailed.

These are not times in which to take lessons from appeasement, capitulation, giving away, giving up or giving in. These are not times in which to draw lessons from Mr. Chamberlain. These are times calling us to draw lessons from Mr. Churchill and the words he spoke in 1942:

“Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy”.  End of quote

Note:  Mr. Geert Wilders is receiving continued death threats.  He has been censored by the European Union for his warnings about Islam and [its] threat to Europe, and [for] his documentary movie "Fitna".
 
Unbelievable, since he should be honored for trying to protect his country!

#14947 From: "yudiann" <yudiee333@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:04 pm
Subject: Time to put Dr. Kevorkian on the Taxpayer Payroll too now??
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#14946 From: Marianne Tioran <m_tioran@...>
Date: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:36 pm
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pregnant women get to go first.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20090729/hl_hsn/prioritizepregnantwomentogetswineflushotexpertssay

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From: Brawkha@... <Brawkha@...>
Subject: [Messianic_Apologetic] Swine Flu Swindle
To: Messianic_Apologetic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 2:00 AM

 

Shalom all,

I pray this is for information only, and that none of us know anyone affected by the H1N1 virus.  But just in case...

Shalom b'shem Yeshua,

Brawkha

Swine Flu Swindle

The FDA has decided to swindle us.

First they laid the groundwork by scaring us with their ridiculous swine flu estimates. Then they rushed to the rescue, telling us to rely on Tamiflu and Relenza...two potentially dangerous drugs that, by the way, are already implicated in creating a drug- resistant strain of the flu. And now they've apparently decided that it doesn't matter if those drugs are effective -- as long as doctors hand them out anyway.

The FDA is allowing -- actually calling for, endorsing, promoting! -- the use of expired Tamiflu and Relenza. In fact, the agency decided under its SLEP (Shelf Life Extension Program...the name says it all) that four batches of antiviral drugs that expired in June 2009 now expire in May 2011. Magic!

And that's not all... To make sure government agencies can use up all their already bought and paid for and stockpiled, no matter what, they've also decided to waive their own standards. Now even improperly stored Relenza and Tamiflu will be deemed safe and effective for use...even in infants.

Of course, none of this is common knowledge <http://www.fda. gov/NewsEvents/ PublicHealthFocu s/ucm154962. htm>. But it should be -- that's why HSI is bringing you this information when no one else is. You have the right to know that the course of Tamiflu your doctor prescribes may be expired, and may not have been properly stored. (Not to mention the potential adverse effects of Tamiflu  <http://www.rocheusa .com/products/ tamiflu/pi. pdf> !) Do you still want to take it?



#14945 From: "yudiann" <yudiee333@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:34 pm
Subject: please listen to this interview with Fred Thompson!!!!!
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#14943 From: Yudie Kasnik <yudiee333@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:05 pm
Subject: Page 425 of the proposed health care bill
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Contact EVERY senator and representative.  Ask them to read Page 425 of the proposed health care bill
 On Page 425 of Obama’s Health Care Bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier.  Yes . . . They are going to push SUICIDE to cut Medicare spending!
 Listen to Fred Thompson Interview  
 Now,  CALL YOUR PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON !!!!    Tell them to read page 425 if they don’t read anything else.  Surely, some of them have parents.
 
You might want to forward the following web site address to everyone in your address book.  It provides the email address of every elected official in the United States .  The web address is www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml.  It might help others make the necessary contacts regarding page 425 of the proposed health care bill.
 On Page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security (will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANADATORY counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your suffering (and your life).  Health care will be denied based on age.  500 billion dollars will be cut from Senior’s healthcare budget.  The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care.  The oldest and the sickest will be cut first.  Paying for your own care will not be an option.
 Now you know why he's trying to rush this thru for passage -- before the people find out the facts.

 

Little gems from the Health Care Bill

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Ever y person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn't have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited from owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services



#14942 From: Brawkha@...
Date: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:00 am
Subject: Swine Flu Swindle
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Shalom all,

I pray this is for information only, and that none of us know anyone affected by the H1N1 virus.  But just in case...

Shalom b'shem Yeshua,

Brawkha

Swine Flu Swindle

The FDA has decided to swindle us.

First they laid the groundwork by scaring us with their ridiculous swine flu estimates. Then they rushed to the rescue, telling us to rely on Tamiflu and Relenza...two potentially dangerous drugs that, by the way, are already implicated in creating a drug- resistant strain of the flu. And now they've apparently decided that it doesn't matter if those drugs are effective -- as long as doctors hand them out anyway.

The FDA is allowing -- actually calling for, endorsing, promoting! -- the use of expired Tamiflu and Relenza. In fact, the agency decided under its SLEP (Shelf Life Extension Program...the name says it all) that four batches of antiviral drugs that expired in June 2009 now expire in May 2011. Magic!

And that's not all... To make sure government agencies can use up all their already bought and paid for and stockpiled, no matter what, they've also decided to waive their own standards. Now even improperly stored Relenza and Tamiflu will be deemed safe and effective for use...even in infants.

Of course, none of this is common knowledge <http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm154962.htm>. But it should be -- that's why HSI is bringing you this information when no one else is. You have the right to know that the course of Tamiflu your doctor prescribes may be expired, and may not have been properly stored. (Not to mention the potential adverse effects of Tamiflu  <http://www.rocheusa.com/products/tamiflu/pi.pdf> !) Do you still want to take it?


#14941 From: Brawkha@...
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:42 am
Subject: Fwd: [Messianic-Talmud] How the HRV NT Improves Understanding
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More of the same...
 

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Subj: [Messianic-Talmud] How the HRV NT Improves Understanding
 
 

The Hebraic Roots Version (http://www.lulu.com/nazarene) (now in print for eight years! Revised E-version now avaiable) (which began as the Semitic New Testament Project) was the result of a ten year project to produce a new and accurate translation of the New Testament taken primarily from old Hebrew and Aramaic sources. Unlike most translations this edition is not rooted in a Greek Hellenistic text. Instead this translation will seek to understand the text of the New Testament from the languages in which it was originally written. This is important because there are some passages in the NT which do not make sense at all in Greek, but only begin to make sense when we look at them in Hebrew and Aramaic.

Acts 11:27-30

And in these days prophets came from Jerusalem to Antioch. Then one of
them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was
going to be a great famine throughout all THE WORLD, which also
happened in the days of Claudius Caesar. Then the talmidim, each
according to his ability, determined to send relief to the brothers
dwelling IN JUDEA. This they also did, and sent it to the elders by
the hands of Barnabas and Saul.

Now this doesn't make sense at all, why would those in Antioch send
relief to those dwelling IN JUDEA if the famine was to strike all THE
WORLD. They would be facing famine themselves.

The Jewish New Testament translates the Greek word as "throughout the
Roman Empire" but this has the same problem, since Antioch and Judea
were both in the Roman Empire.

The solution lies in the fact that the word for "WORLD" in the
Aramaic manuscripts is ERA (Strong's #772) the Aramaic form of the
Hebrew word ERETZ (Strong's 776). This word can mean "world" (as in
Prov. 19:4) "earth" (as in Dan. 2:35) or "land" (as in Dan. 9:15)
and is often used as a euphemism for "The Land of Israel" (as in Dan.
9:6). Certainly the word here is not meant to mean "world" but "land
of Israel."

Mt. 26:6 = Mk. 14:3

And when Y'shua was in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper,
(KJV)

As any Bible student knows, lepers were not permitted to live in the
city (see Lev. 13:46).

Stern's JNT attempts to fix the problem by translating:

Stern's JNT has:
Yeshua was in Beit-Anyah, at the hom of Shim'on, the man who had had
the repulsive skin disease.

But in fact the Greek does NOT say that Shim'on HAD BEEN a Leper.
The Greek calls him "Simon the Leper".

Since ancient Hebrew and Aramaic were written
without vowels, there was no distinction between the Aramaic words
GAR'BA (leper)and GARABA (jar maker or jar merchant). Since in this
story a woman pours oil from a jar it is apparent that Simon was a
jar merchant or jar maker and not a leper.

Mt. 19:12 & Acts 8:26f

....there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the
Kingdom of Heaven's sake....
--Mt. 19:12 NKJV

So he [Phillip] arose and went. And behold, a man of Ethiopia, a
eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians,
who had charge of all her treasury, and had come to Jerusalem to
worship.
--Acts 8:27 NKJV

In Mt. 19 Stern's JNT translates the same Greek phrase for "eunuch"
as "do not mary"; "without desire"; "been castrated" and "renounced
marraige" to avoid this problem. He translates the same Greek word
as "eunuch" in Acts 8:27 just as the KJV does.

The man in Acts 8:27 appears to be a proselyte to Judaism since he
seems to be making the Torah-required pilgrimage to Jerusalem (Dt.
16:16). The Torah, however, forbids a eunuch both from becoming a
proselyte Jew, and from worshiping at the Temple (Dt. 23:1f). This
also raises the question of why one would become a eunuch (be
castrated) for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. After all eunuchs
are excluded from the assembly of Israel. The word for "eunuch" in
the Aramaic manuscripts of both of these passages is M'HAIMNA which
can mean "eunuch" but can also mean "believer" or "faithful one" as
it clearly means here. In Mt. 19 it appears as a sort of wordplkay
bbecsue it also refers to one who is faithful in marraige.

Mt. 19:24 = Mk. 10:25 = Lk. 18:25

...it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle
than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.

Stern's JNT has "...it is easier for a camel to pass through a
needle's eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."

The word for "camel" in the Aramaic manuscripts is GAMLA which can
mean "camel" but can also refer to a "large rope," which is certainly
the meaning here.

Jn. 12:11 & 15:16

One word that the Greek translators often misunderstood was the
Aramaic word 'EZAL which normally means "to go" or "to depart" but is
used idiomatically in Aramaic to mean that some action goes forward
and that something progresses "more and more".

One case where the Greek translator misunderstood this word and
translated to literally is in Jn. 12:11:

Because that by reason of him many of the Jews
went away (!?!?!?!?), and believed on Jesus. (KJV)

Stern's JNT has:

since it was because of him that large numbers of the Judeans were
leaving their leaders and putting their trust in Yeshua.

Note that Stern adds the phrase "their leaders" which does NOT appear
in the Greek in an attempt to force the Greek to make some kind of
sense.

Now I have translated the Aramaic of this passage as follows:

because many of the Judeans, on account of him,
were trusting more and more ('EZAL) in Yeshua.

And Jn. 15:16:

...that ye should go and bring forth fruit...
KJV

...to go and bear fruit...
JNT

I have translated from the Aramaic:

...that you also should bear fruit more and more ('EZAL)...

OK that is enough for today I will post more soon.

James Trimm

PS: In the above HRV = Hebraic Roots Version; KJV = King James Version and JNT = Jewish New Testament.


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