They will not go off unless hit on the sensore and at a high enough speed. The
police said was going too slow for them to deploy but Tiger is 6'1'' tall and I
doubt if his lip would have hit anything.  IF he hit the windshield, his head
would have made the contact, if the steering wheel, it would have been his
chest.   It is my view the the only way his lib would have been injuried is if
the air bags did deploy,  and that is why I think he had these injuries before
the accident and the accident was staged to cover it up.  I contend that he is
acting just like a victim would to cover his wive's assult.

ken

--- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, butch4750 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>   Tiger's vehicle does have airbags which should have deployed when he hit the
fire hydrant. Right? So wouldn't that have prevented him from hitting the wild
shield? By most accounts I have ever seen the airbags usually leave one black &
blue without any kind of cuts.
>
>    Just an observation.
>
> Butch
>
> --- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/28/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-fight-accident-suv-lace\
rations/
> >
> > Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not SUV
> > Posted Nov 28th 2009 6:08AM by TMZ Staff
> >
> > Tiger Woods did not suffer facial lacerations from a car accident. They were
inflicted by his wife, Elin Nordegren -- according to a conversation Woods had
Friday after the accident.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tiger has yet to be formally interviewed by the Florida Highway Patrol --
that should happen this afternoon. But we're told Tiger had a conversation
Friday -- with a non-law enforcement type -- detailing what went down before his
Escalade hit a fire hydrant.
> >
> > We're told he said his wife had confronted him about reports that he was
seeing another woman. The argument got heated and, according to our source, she
scratched his face up. We're told it was then Woods beat a hasty retreat for his
SUV -- but according to our source, Woods says his wife followed behind with a
golf club. As Tiger drove away, she struck the vehicle several times with the
club.
> >
> > We're told Woods became "distracted," thought the vehicle was stopped, and
looked to see what had happened. At that point the SUV hit the fire hydrant and
then hit a tree.
> >
> > We're also told Woods had said during the conversation Friday he had been
taking prescription pain medication for an injury, which could explain why he
seemed somewhat out of it at the scene
> >
> >
> > Read more:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/28/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-fight-accident-suv-lace\
rations/#ixzz0YBRP9NAA
> >
>

Tiger's vehicle does have airbags which should have deployed when he hit the
fire hydrant. Right? So wouldn't that have prevented him from hitting the wild
shield? By most accounts I have ever seen the airbags usually leave one black &
blue without any kind of cuts.

    Just an observation.

Butch

--- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/28/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-fight-accident-suv-lace\
rations/
>
> Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not SUV
> Posted Nov 28th 2009 6:08AM by TMZ Staff
>
> Tiger Woods did not suffer facial lacerations from a car accident. They were
inflicted by his wife, Elin Nordegren -- according to a conversation Woods had
Friday after the accident.
>
>
>
> Tiger has yet to be formally interviewed by the Florida Highway Patrol -- that
should happen this afternoon. But we're told Tiger had a conversation Friday --
with a non-law enforcement type -- detailing what went down before his Escalade
hit a fire hydrant.
>
> We're told he said his wife had confronted him about reports that he was
seeing another woman. The argument got heated and, according to our source, she
scratched his face up. We're told it was then Woods beat a hasty retreat for his
SUV -- but according to our source, Woods says his wife followed behind with a
golf club. As Tiger drove away, she struck the vehicle several times with the
club.
>
> We're told Woods became "distracted," thought the vehicle was stopped, and
looked to see what had happened. At that point the SUV hit the fire hydrant and
then hit a tree.
>
> We're also told Woods had said during the conversation Friday he had been
taking prescription pain medication for an injury, which could explain why he
seemed somewhat out of it at the scene
>
>
> Read more:
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/28/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-fight-accident-suv-lace\
rations/#ixzz0YBRP9NAA
>

I agree with you to a point, but she is always taking actions that always
bring this to the forefront of my mind.

    Over time she has given my phone number as her residence or second contact
number for bills she doesn't pay. And one of the reasons it took nearly 11
months to get her into court this last time is that she gave CSE my sisters
address as her residence. More so than not she will call here and start fights
with out daughter that makes Alec's phone call sound like a Sesame Street
episode. And on the afternoon after I came home from the last hearing I got a
phone call of a woman asking for her here. I told the woman that she doesn't
live here. The3 women the abruptly said, " Damn!!! She has lied to me again!!!"
Then she hung up before I could get or give her any information she could use.
It wasn't until the next day that I went and dialed THE CALLING NUMBER FROM MY
CALLER ID. A recording came on saying that it was Social Security and the line
was for outgoing only from that line. So I am moved to just try using a lawyer
just this once.

    When in court last time I made a bad mistake. Because I spoke from
frustration and anger when I had already typed out a script to read. That may be
also why such a low purge amount when the last one was twice as much. Because
like I say. I am not dealing with someone who has been effected by the bad
economy. I am dealing with a person who has said in so many word's that she is
deliberately not paying because she feels she doesn't deserve to. And she is
very good at trying to throw responsibility of her poor decisions of having more
children on both these children and myself. "I ain't going for it ya see." So I
don't think this one time will be a waste of money or time. In fact she may be
also made to pay my attorney's fees. If she doesn't do this than she will just
get picked up again.

    There is just one more reason I find it necessary to do this. Because as the
times may be changing to more fathers getting their children with them I want to
be able to say to them that if it is needed to make the childrens lives better
than go after it and don't let a male ego, or something else, get in the way.

Butch

--- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, howard deaton <outlet110volts@...>
wrote:
>
> Butch I feel your pain And I do read your Post.
> Hope you come to terms soon with trying to get money from your ex.
> Because you are beating your head against a brick wall.
> As for A Lawyer you are wasteing your money.
> Spend it on your kids and forget the ex because you will poke and poke and
sooner or later it is going to trun on you.
> Dont think for one minn i dont feel your pain i raise my kids no support
infact i had to pay support on my kids for welfare my ex frauded the state for.
> That order is done now payed I hope they choke on it.
> And my oldest just truned 18 i have raised her for the full 18 years no help
from Mom not even a card the full 18 years.
> She is A good kid and has a Job And going to Culanary classes.
> But the Biggest thing I am grateful for I got to be in her life and watch her
grow up.
> Somthing most of us dont get to do.
> You have somthing that most on here dont get to do.
> Raise your Children count your blessings.
> Money is the root of this evil for sure.
> At the same time it is just Money dont lose your Kids over it.
> I doubble up on everything work, time with my kids and have become resorceful
i get bye.
> It is not fair you are right but we have somthing that others dont have in the
groups a chance to be in are kids lifes.
> Tammi is right Document everything it save my ass more then once we are lucky
in colorado as well it is a one party phone state.
> So we can recored phone convotions with out telling the other party.
> In less they ask if they are being taped.
> Just wondering what state are you in ?
> Howie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> H.C. Deaton
> Colorado Fathers Dedicated to the Support our Children Need  That Money Can't
Buy
> CoFathers@yahoogroups.com
> outlet110volts@...
>  
>  
>
> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, butch4750 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: butch4750 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Men's Issues Online] Re: Heads up to all our fathers
> To: MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 11:41 PM
>
>
>    Guess what? They also get screwed when it come to receiving child sup[port.
>
>    As I have been telling for years, all a woman has to do is get pregnant, go
on public assistance, or get some crocked doctor to say she is not able to work
because she is Bipolar, and she is off "Scott Free."
>
>    I went to court last week (after waiting almost 11 months because OF CHILD
SUPPORT eNFORCEMENT) AND SHE STILL GOT OFF WITH JUST A $500 PURGE. And you would
think she had wised up after being locked up for 4 days and had gotten a little
common sense. Well she didn't. I called her on the phone the day before
yesterday and she acted like $500 should last me a year without a thought of the
over 20K she still owes. But this time I am doing things a little different. I
am investing that $500 for a retainer. And it is not so much that I need a
lawyer, but it is more that I don't wait another period of months to get her
into court on Contempt charges.
>
>   When I think of all the hardships my children and I have gone threw and all
the BS promises I have heard from her I go ballistic in my head. The way this
woman has been working the system is a syndrome in itself. And the fact that the
Prez gave millions to this agency and things have only gotten worse since then
is an insult to the children and the American public. And all along the way this
so-called mother has made even more false reports, false statements, and perjury
that seem to always be cast out with the morning garbage in offices that are
supposed to identify and prosecute these very things. So don't think for one
minute if it were the other way around that it is any easier for a father who
has primary custody.
>
> Butch
>
> --- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, jett52ra <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > i so agree with this.  in florida fathers do not have rights.  my soon to be
ex is currently living with the man she was having an affiar with and the courts
demand almost 2/3 of my salary in child support plus i pay well over 200.00 for
their health insurance.  what i am to live on i don't know.  i know she will
attempt to file false allegations against me any chance she gets.  i want to
support my sons and take care of their health ins but at the same time i too
want to move on with my life but she will do anything to keep me from doing it. 
she already has filed false restraining orders which have been thrown out of
court.  now i'm faced with paying child support which leaves very little for me
to live on.  the court system in florida does not look at fathers and their
rights.  i am responsible man who has done nothing to my children other than
being a great father.  i feel for all fathers in florida who are faced with my
issues too.  if
>  i don't pay i go to jail!  what is that going to accomplish? 
> >
> > --- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, tami pepperman <tamikay23@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Spring Break is approaching fast, and false allegations happen most often
just prior to extended parenting times....
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > remember to DOCUMENT where you go, who you see, what you do with your
children, to help combat potential false allegations being lodged against you
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > when you document your time by journalling, writing down potential
witnesses, where you eat out at, where you go (parks, resteraunts, sporting
events, work, time with friends and family) you make it almost impossible to be
falsely accused at specific times....even though most of us still adhere to the
Constitution and believe that men are innocent until proven guilty, they are
not...and your documentation could save you not only thousands of dollars, but
possibly a stint in jail, or prison....
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > there are patterns that happen just prior to false allegations...if you
are not able to pay child support, or you just got a downward modification of
child support....if you enter into a new relationship....if you buy a bigger
house, or a better car, or any other "bling"...If you appear HAPPY, and if you
have moved on from the relationship, and she is still single...if SHE enters
into a new relationship, and wants to entrap the new man in her life, she will
force him into becoming a "hero" by making false allegations against YOU, in
effect prompting him to honor his instintcual protective stance as a man (just
like most of you were hooked in the first place)
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > if she is about to be charged with a crime, or if child protection has
been called on her by various sources, you are more likely to be falsely
accused, or pointed at as the abuser...
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > IF HER HOME IS IN FORECLOSER you are very likely to be falsely accused,
because to qualify for MANY FORMS of assistance, she has to be a victim, or your
children have to be victims....anyone can qualify to be HOMELESS, but only
victims qualify to live in many shelters that are not full, and fully funded
through VAWA....
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT 
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > carpe diem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > HotmailŽ is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast.
> > > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

I didn't even realize that I was already a member. But thanks for bringing it
up. I just changed the way I am notified about the group.

Butch

--- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, "mens_issues" <mens_issues@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the invitation, Steve.  I just joined.  This is a good opportunity
to complement Men's Issues Online's efforts to counter this kind of inane and
offensive advertising.
>
> Steve
>
> --- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, "nerosfiddle1"
<creative_internet_ideas@> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone interested in those nasty TV ads that must beat up a male in order to
sell a product, you can post that stuff on this group.  I found it quite some
time ago and it can use a few extra members.
> > Hope you all had a good Thanksgiving including those who like me
> > don't live with or didn't see your child/ren yesterday.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-MaleAdvertising/
> >
>

Part of the way these "bastards" got into office was by corrupting the voter
registration and election system. Bill Clinton passing the Motor Voter Act as
his second order in office (first was gays in military) opened the floodgates.
The media and the sociopathic professors only remember that Bush was selected
not elected. So any voting options are diminished. Though the Marxists like
Soros know to let the people cool off a bit and win a few "opposition" seats
soon.

As to the Chinese, one of our many America-hating Marxist cheerleaders wrote a
book "When China Rules the World: The End of the Western World and The Birth of
a New Global Order." The author is very pleased that the West will be cut down
to size and have no "presumption of underlying superiority." Remember that China
is the country that forces men to work in coal mines where horrendous accidents
are common and thousands of male workers die annually just in that industry and
women and men are sterilized by the state at will.

--- In MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com, Stan Rains <patriotdad2004@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to Jimmy Lehew for sending this out.    You should click on the link
Jimmy has provided.   There is a lot of  data presented in 'time clock'
fashion to consider and compare crammed on to the one page.  
>  
> Of course these are estimations but a quick check will confirm some of the key
data is very much on target.  I would suspect some if not all of the other data
is just as confirmable.
>  
> It is well worth passing on to all we know.   Remember, NONE of the people
we have in office at this time, need to be re-elected.  Even our local  city
councils sell out our rights for the Federal dollars.   Legal and non-legal
corruption is at every level.  No one disputes that any more.  Government
credibility is approaching nil.
>  
> If there is a revolution at the ballot box, we will all be much more safe, for
at least a while longer, until the next batch of politicians get too
greedy..  
>  
> Let's clean house on ALL incumbents at ALL levels, in ALL parties. (That is,
if we make it through the next two years without a complete financial collapse
of our current government.  Couldn't think of a better Christmas present to
America and all humanity.)
>  
> Stan
>
>
> From: jimmy lehew <jimmylehew@...>
> Subject: Better Learn to Speak Chinses
> To: tulsa_area_fathers_rights_association@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: "Stan Rains" <patriotdad2004@...>
> Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 5:30 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If you all think that those Bastards that we have elected in Washington DC for
Congress and Senate and of course the Biggest Idiot of them all that is in the
White House. Then you need to look at this and when 2010/2012 comes around then
“WE THE PEOPLE” need to clean house, because if we don’t then you better
learn how to Speak Chinses. Look at this link   http://usdebtclock.org/
>

Are Men Obsolete?

wth?

I suppose I will be forced to call you ms. (mizz.)?

I see NO humor in domestic violence...


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Joeysopha <joeysopha@...>
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:02:33
To: <female-male@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [female-male] Re: Tiger Woods Coverup of D/V

 




  That will teach him not to go out clubbin for other women - giggles !

  --- In female-male@yahoogroups.com <mailto:female-male%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Shatteredmen <ken4thelamb@...> wrote:
  >
  > There is more coming out:
  >
  > * Tiger Woods update: domestic violence or car accident?
  > http://tinyurl.com/yfzsvjc <http://tinyurl.com/yfzsvjc>
  >
  > * Tiger Woods injured during heated argument with wife
  > http://tinyurl.com/y9u68fn <http://tinyurl.com/y9u68fn>
  >
  >
  > * Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not SUV
  > http://tinyurl.com/yedwanv <http://tinyurl.com/yedwanv>
  >
  > * Tiger Woods said Elin Nordegren, not car crash, scratched
  > face & chased him with golf club: report
  > http://tinyurl.com/ybcl9mg <http://tinyurl.com/ybcl9mg>
  >
  > From this last URL we read:
  >
  > "But TMZ.com reported that a source said Nordegren scratched Woods' face
after she went berserk over reports he was seeing another woman and chased him
with a golf club, striking his vehicle as he ran from the home.
  >
  > "Nordegren told cops she ran outside and discovered her husband bleeding from
the mouth, with cuts on his lips
  >
  > Question, how would Tiger have gotten these injuries from this auto minor
accident?
  >
  > "The crash remains under investigation and charges are possible against
Woods," What charges? Could they be thinking of charging Tiger with...Domestic
violence? After all, he may have assulted his wife's golf club with his face.
  >
  > Could it be that Erin was jealous and believed the reports that her husband
was having an affair although there is no proof of such? Could it be her ranting
and raving at 2 AM that caused him to leave shortly afterward?
  >
  > Listed below are the contact information for the hospital and police. Perhaps
they can be questioned about the possiblity of the above questions.
  >
  > Health Central Hospital
  > (407) 296-1000
  > Address: 10000 W Colonial Dr, Ocoee, FL 34761
  >
  > Windermere Police Department
  > (407) 876-3757
  > 620 Main St, Windermere, FL 34786
  > Police Chief Daniel Saylor.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > --- On Sat, 11/28/09, Shatteredmen <ken4thelamb@...> wrote:
  >
  >
  > From: Shatteredmen <ken4thelamb@...>
  > Subject: [Shatteredmen] (unknown)
  > To: Shatteredmen@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Shatteredmen%40yahoogroups.com> ,
abusedguys@yahoogroups.com <mailto:abusedguys%40yahoogroups.com> ,
female-male@yahoogroups.com <mailto:female-male%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Fathers_are_Parents_too@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Fathers_are_Parents_too%40yahoogroups.com>
  > Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 2:19 PM
  >
  >
  >  
  >
  >
  >
  > There are several RED FLAGS that I believe show a cover up of possible
domestic violence in this story. Did Wood's wife hit him before the accident?
Why break out a "rear" window? Why move someone unless there is danger of fire?
Why did she have a gold club with her?
  >
  > This report asks where was he going at 2:25 AM.....could he just be leaving a
heated debate as men are told to do...but she followed him?
  >
  > Read these TWO reports...the second seems to confirm that Tiger is the victim
of domestic violence but since the victim was a man....it sure would not be good
for this to get out.
  >
  > Police to talk to Woods about accident
  >
  > http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.>  com/ybjst7t
  >
  > By DOUG FERGUSON, AP Golf Writer Doug Ferguson, Ap Golf Writer
  >
  > There are plenty of vivid details from the car crash that sent Tiger Woods to
the hospital:
  >
  > His SUV hit a fire hydrant and a tree; his lips were cut and he had blood in
his mouth; his wife smashed a rear window with a golf club to get him out; he
briefly lost consciousness.
  >
  > There are also plenty of questions, among them:
  >
  > Where was he going at 2:25 a.m. Friday? Why was there no word from the Woods'
camp for nearly 13 hours after the accident?
  >
  > Police hope Woods can answer some of them Saturday.
  >
  > Two troopers tried to talk to the world's No. 1 golfer Friday evening, but
his wife said he was sleeping and they agreed to come back Saturday, Florida
Highway Patrol Sgt. Kim Montes said.
  >
  > One of Woods' neighbors, who didn't want her name to be used, said it was
quiet in front of his house Saturday. She said there are usually two or three
cars parked outside his home and that was the scene now as well.
  >
  > The neighbor said everyone in the gated community was discussing Woods'
crash.
  >
  > According to the patrol, Woods had just left his Florida mansion when he lost
control of his 2009 Cadillac and hit a fire hydrant, then a tree on his
neighbor's property. The report said alcohol was not a factor.
  >
  > The patrol reported the accident occurred at 2:25 a.m. Friday morning and
classified the injuries as serious. The first word from Woods' camp â€" some 13
hours after the crash â€" was that it was a "minor accident," and he was in good
condition after being treated and released.
  >
  > Windermere police chief Daniel Saylor said his two officers found the
33-year-old Woods lying in the street with his wife, Elin, hovering over him.
  >
  > "She was frantic, upset," Saylor said in a briefing Friday night. "It was her
husband laying on the ground."
  >
  > Saylor said Woods' wife told officers she was in the house when she heard the
accident and "broke the back window with a golf club." He said the front-door
windows were not broken and that "the door was probably locked."
  >
  > "She supposedly got him out and laid him on the ground," he said. "He was in
and out of consciousness when my guys got there."
  >
  > Saylor said Woods had lacerations to his upper and lower lips, and blood in
his mouth; officers treated Woods for about 10 minutes until an ambulance
arrived. Woods was conscious enough to speak, though the police chief said Woods
didn't say anything coherent.
  >
  > In a telephone interview, Woods' father-in-law, radio journalist Thomas
Nordegren, told The Associated Press in Stockholm that he would not discuss the
accident.
  >
  > "I haven't spoken to her in the last few ... " Nordegren said about his
daughter, Elin, before cutting himself off. "I don't want to go into that."
  >
  > Woods' mother-in-law Barbro Holmberg also refused to address the matter.
  >
  > "She doesn't want to comment on private issues like these," Holmberg's
spokeswoman Eva Malmborg said.
  >
  > Damage to the front of Woods' SUV was described by Saylor as "not real
extensive, but not real light."
  >
  > Left unanswered was where Woods was going at that hour. His agent, Mark
Steinberg, and spokesman Glenn Greenspan said there would be no comment beyond
the short statement of the accident posted Friday afternoon on Woods' Web site
that said:
  >
  > "Tiger Woods was in a minor car accident outside his home last night. He was
admitted, treated and released today in good condition. We appreciate very much
everyone's thoughts and well wishes."
  >
  > Asked at an evening news conference if the couple could have been arguing,
Saylor said he had no knowledge of that. The couple, married five years, have
two children.
  >
  > The accident came two days after the National Enquirer published a story
alleging that Woods had been seeing a New York night club hostess, and that they
recently were together in Melbourne, where Woods competed in the Australian
Masters.
  >
  > The woman, Rachel Uchitel, denied having an affair with Woods when contacted
by the AP.
  >
  > "I resent my reputation is getting completely blasted in the media," she said
during a telephone interview late Friday. "Everyone is assuming I came out and
said this. This is not a story I have anything to do with."
  >
  > Uchitel said she was in Melbourne two weeks ago with clients and never saw
Woods the entire time she was there.
  >
  > "The story stands for itself," National Enquirer executive editor Barry
Levine told the AP on Saturday.
  >
  > The Florida Highway Patrol said tapes of the 911 call won't be released until
they can be reviewed, probably Monday at the earliest.
  >
  > "Right now we believe this is a traffic crash," Montes said. "We don't
believe it is a domestic issue."
  >
  > She said the accident report was not issued for 12 hours because it did not
meet the criteria of a serious crash, and the FHP only released information
because of inquiries from local media.
  >
  > Woods, coming off a two-week trip to China and Australia earlier this month,
is host of the Chevron World Challenge in Thousand Oaks, Calif., which starts
Thursday. He is scheduled to have his press conference Tuesday afternoon at
Sherwood Country Club. Steinberg said he did not know if Woods planned to play
next week.
  >
  > Woods rarely faces such private scrutiny, even as perhaps the most famous
active athlete in the world.
  >
  > He usually makes news only because of what he can do with a golf club. Few
other athletes have managed to keep their private lives so guarded, or have a
circle of friends so airtight when it comes to life off the course.
  >
  > Woods' $2.4 million home is part of an exclusive subdivision near Orlando, a
community set on an Arnold Palmer-designed golf course and a chain of small
lakes. The neighborhood, which is fortified with high brick walls and has its
own security force, is home to CEOs and other sports stars such as the NBA's
Shaquille O'Neal.
  >
  > Woods has won 82 times around the world and 14 majors, becoming the first
player of black heritage to win a major at the 1997 Masters when he was 21. He
attended the Stanford-Cal football game last Saturday, where he tossed the coin
at the start of the game and was inducted into Stanford's sports Hall of Fame at
halftime.
  >
  > He won six times this year after missing eight months recovering from
reconstructive surgery on his left knee. Even though he failed to win a major,
Woods said he considered this a successful year because he did not know how his
knee would respond.
  >
  > Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not SUV
  > Posted Nov 28th 2009 6:08AM by TMZ Staff
  >
  > Tiger Woods did not suffer facial lacerations from a car accident. They were
inflicted by his wife, Elin Nordegren -- according to a conversation Woods had
Friday after the accident.
  >
  > Tiger has yet to be formally interviewed by the Florida Highway Patrol --
that should happen this afternoon. But we're told Tiger had a conversation
Friday -- with a non-law enforcement type -- detailing what went down before his
Escalade hit a fire hydrant.
  >
  > We're told he said his wife had confronted him about reports that he was
seeing another woman. The argument got heated and, according to our source, she
scratched his face up. We're told it was then Woods beat a hasty retreat for his
SUV -- but according to our source, Woods says his wife followed behind with a
golf club. As Tiger drove away, she struck the vehicle several times with the
club.
  >
  > We're told Woods became "distracted, " thought the vehicle was stopped, and
looked to see what had happened. At that point the SUV hit the fire hydrant and
then hit a tree.
  >
  > We're also told Woods had said during the conversation Friday he had been
taking prescription pain medication for an injury, which could explain why he
seemed somewhat out of it at the scene.
  >
  > Read more: http://www.tmz. <http://www.tmz.>  com/2009/ 11/28/tiger-
woods-elin- nordegren- fight-accident- suv-lacerations/ #ixzz0YAKHFmAA
  >

MSM Discovers Paternity Fraud

Saturday, November 21, 2009

Fatherhood isn’t in the genes: DNA tests are confirming men’s suspicions of
not being their kid’s real dad — but they’re still made to pay up

A man is supposed to take care of his children. If he gets a woman pregnant,
he’s expected to step up and take responsibility. But what if that man
discovers that the child he thought was his own — the kid he read to, cuddled
and tucked in at night — is another man’s? Then who is responsible for the
kid — the biological father or the nurturing adoptive dad? That is the
quandary increasingly being raised by DNA tests. As Ruth Padawer writes in a
fascinating cover story for the upcoming New York Times Magazine, the rise of
paternity tests — bought on the cheap online or at local drug stores — have
revealed “just how murky society’s notions of fatherhood actually are.”

Mike L., the lead subject in Padawer’s piece, found evidence of his wife’s
affair with a coworker and decided to have L., his 5-year-old daughter, take a
DNA test. The results arrived in the mail: He was not the father. “I ran
upstairs, locked myself in the bathroom and cried and dry-heaved for 45 minutes.
I felt like my guts were being ripped out,” he says. Mike separated from his
wife, Stephanie, and began paying her child support because, he says, she
claimed Rob, L.’s bio-dad, had refused. Things continued on this way for
several years, until he got news that Stephanie would be marrying Rob, and that
was too much to bear. He asked a Pennsylvania court to relieve him of parental
responsibility, but a judge ruled that Mike was the legal father, not Rob.

Continue reading @salon.com…
http://www.salon.com/life/broadsheet/feature/2009/11/20/paternity/index.html

Before you read this, I would like to remind everyone that rape does occur and
we can not afford to let real rapes go unpunished however we can not really
afford to let false rape accusations go unpunished although almost all of them
do. It is NOT rape when one regrets it the next morning or they are afaid they
will be caught.

http://shatterdmen.com/Guestbook.htm

Several years ago, a woman in Shattered men told us that a man she invited to
her home from another group "raped" her.  One of our female moderators did talk
with her and found that it was consensual.  I talked to the man involved and
told him how close he was to a false rape claim which he would not have been
able to get out of without spending thousands if not tens of thousands of
dollars.

I contend that it is too dangerous to have sexual contact outside of marriage
for anyone, espeically men.  Oh you may think you can score a one night stand
with that pretty chick but you could well be facing sexual assult charges too. 
There is always a cost for this and it is always more then can be affored:

http://www.shatterdmen.com/HIDDEN%20COST.htm

ken


Rape Law: YES can mean NO

Saturday, November 28, 2009

http://mensnewsdaily.com/sexandmetro/2009/11/28/rape-law-yes-can-mean-no/


A woman in Chennai happened to notice a missed call alert in her mobile phone
and returned the call. The recipient of the call was a man. What started off as
a matter of curiosity quickly turned into regular phone conversations which,
after a few weeks, culminated in a face-to-face meeting and, finally, a
whirlwind romance.

A few months later, the man’s name and picture were flashed in a widely
circulated newspaper, along with the news that he was charged of rape and
arrested under sections 366 (Kidnapping) and 376 (Rape) of the Indian Penal
Code. The woman’s version of the story was published in detail but her
identity was kept secret for “security” reasons. The editor seemed to have
run out of space or forgot to fill in the man’s version.

Nobody was surprised at the news. After all, we have been told, “a male is,
prima facie, a rapist!”

According to Section 375 of the Indian Penal Code, a man is said to have
committed rape if he has had sexual intercourse with a woman against her will
and without her consent.

The definition of rape does not end there!

Even if a woman has given her consent for sex, the man would be deemed to have
committed rape when

•    her consent has been obtained by putting her or any person in whom she is
interested in fear of death or of hurt.
•    the man knows that he is not her husband, and that her consent is given
because she believes that he is another man to whom she is or believes herself
to be lawfully married.
•    at the time of giving such consent, by reason of unsoundness of mind or
intoxication or the administration by him personally or through another of any
stupefying or unwholesome substance, she is unable to understand the nature and
consequences of that to which she gives consent.

In addition, a male having sex with a female under sixteen years of age is rape
regardless of whether the act is done with or without her consent.

What is striking, at the outset, is the inherent bias in the definition of rape
itself. According to this law, rape is a criminal act that is committed by a man
against a woman. Not only that, the crime is entirely in the mind of the female
“victim”.

Another aspect that stands out in this law, as with many other “pro-women”
laws, is the urge to protect the female AT ANY COST, even if it means innocent
men are thrown into jail, the judicial system is taken for a ride, and public
resources and time are squandered to satisfy the whim of a dishonest, criminal
minded, depraved woman.

People often ask, “Why would a woman lie about being raped?” The answer is
“Why wouldn’t she?” When a crime is so loosely defined and when the law is
severely biased towards the woman, and when the sole testimony of the female
“victim” is enough to charge or convict the accused, why would it not tempt
a mischievous woman to misuse it?

There are innumerable cases of celebrities being threatened of rape complaints
by fortune-hunting vixens. Successful businessmen, fashion designers, film
producers, publishers, and many other simple, honest, decent men are among those
who have been threatened and falsely charged of rape.

The judiciary, oozing compassion towards the “fairer” sex, has only helped
in emboldening women to play both “Madame Bovary” and “Pavitra Bharatiya
Nari” as per their own convenience.

The following excerpts from a judgment of the apex court of India illustrate the
point:

“It is a settled law that the victim of sexual assault is not treated as
accomplice and as such, her evidence does not require corroboration from any
other evidence including the evidence of a doctor. In a given case even if the
doctor who examined the victim does not find sign of rape, it is no ground to
disbelieve the sole testimony of the prosecutrix”

What? The testimony of the victim is the gospel truth? What is the basis for
such presumption of veracity? The judgment provides a simple answer to these
questions:

“Indian women have tendency to conceal such offence because it involves her
prestige as well as prestige of her family. Only in few cases, the victim girl
or the family members have the courage to go before the police station and lodge
a case.”

It is no wonder that former Union Law Minister Ram Jethmalani, said, “Before I
could go to bed with a woman, I would have to call a notary public.’’

Legal experts have observed that rape complaints are often made by women who
have been jilted, by minor girls who have had consensual relationships with
older men, by commercial sex workers who have been shortchanged by their clients
and by women who are just “caught in the act”. They have observed instances
where women admitted to having consensual sex but claimed to have done it “out
of fear”, thus, taking advantage of the loopholes in the law and the
credibility they enjoy under the law. As the burden of proof is on the accused
man, he has to produce evidence that he had consensual sex with the complainant
woman.

Unfortunately, the sneering quips and serious observations by many legal experts
and police officers have not been able to improve the situation with the rape
law and its implementation.

The reason for this deplorable situation -

Radical feminists have successfully tied the hands of the police, gagged the
judiciary and blindfolded the public to advance their agenda of hate and malice
against the entire male gender.

Police officers claim that they are always under intense pressure from feminists
and fear being attacked by women’s rights activists if they are not prompt in
registering rape cases and framing charges.

While radical feminists over-zealously fight to make existing provisions harsher
and demand more and more absurd laws, it is heyday for criminal minded women.
News reports show that incidents of women extorting money from men under the
threat of registering false rape complaints have become commonplace.

Despite having caused so much damage and creating so much fear in the society
through the rape law, the female Taliban still feels that “Feminist Utopia”
will not be achieved until they bring the legally wedded husband’s head under
the guillotine too.

They claim that the rape law is not loaded against men. They, in fact, think
that the Government should broaden the scope of the rape law by including
marital rape.

We should not be surprised if our Government buckles under pressure and concedes
to their outrageous demands, but we should not forget to ask the Government one
question:

Which law is going to protect all the men, women and children of our country who
are being gang-raped by the feminist Taliban?


About the Authors:

S. Krishnamurthy is a representative of the All India Men’s Welfare
Association, and is working for the protection and welfare of men and boys.

And

Uma Challa is the President of All India Forgotten Women’s Association, a
group fighting against the misuse of protections and privileges granted to
women.

Beware boys! The female Taliban is coming for you!
Thursday, November 26, 2009

http://mensnewsdaily.com/sexandmetro/2009/11/26/beware-boys-the-female-taliban-i\
s-coming-for-you/


Captive audiences composed of young primary school boys in Australia will now be
subject to indoctrination by ‘compulsory feminism’. Clearly, the feminist
movement has decided that the only way to ensure global dominance is by catching
‘em young, even if the concept is repulsive to teachers, parents and the boys
themselves. Completely ignoring the boys’ ability to reason, and literally
shoving feminist theories down their throats will undoubtedly lead to them
growing into a generation of self-loathing and ill-confident young men who would
rather stay away from women.

Are we to think of this as another giant leap for womankind? Even if one were to
ignore the political intentions of introducing feminism into schools, whatever
happened to the concept of choice? Don’t such programs send the grossly
incorrect message that all boys need to be ‘educated’ about how to treat
women?

While schools are still grappling with the decision of whether teaching
evolution should be mandatory, the feminist movement seems to have no problems
in convincing schools about the absolute necessity to impose feminism in the
classroom, with no room for alternatives. Was there a debate on the subject
(that nobody was invited to)? Who made feminists the experts on explaining
violence in relationships? Apparently, feminism programs in schools will be
reinforced in all disciplines including Drama, English, Science and Sport. Soon,
there will be scores of young boys whose worlds revolve around feminism and who
will probably be incapable of a single original thought on any subject.

If the agenda and strategy of the feminist movement were unclear to anyone, this
latest news from Australian schools should be informative and educational!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/boys-face-compulsory-feminism-programs-in-state\
-schools-across-victoria/story-e6frf7jo-1225803918910

Kiranam is a scientist by training and an advocate of equal rights for all.

There is more coming out:

*  Tiger Woods update: domestic violence or car accident?
http://tinyurl.com/yfzsvjc

*  Tiger Woods injured during heated argument with wife
http://tinyurl.com/y9u68fn


*  Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not SUV
http://tinyurl.com/yedwanv

*  Tiger Woods said Elin Nordegren, not car crash, scratched
     face & chased him with golf club: report
http://tinyurl.com/ybcl9mg

From this last URL we read:

"But TMZ.com reported that a source said Nordegren scratched Woods' face after
she went berserk over reports he was seeing another woman and chased him with a
golf club, striking his vehicle as he ran from the home.

"Nordegren told cops she ran outside and discovered her husband bleeding from
the mouth, with cuts on his lips

Question, how would Tiger have gotten these injuries from this auto minor
accident?

"The crash remains under investigation and charges are possible against Woods," 
What charges?  Could they be thinking of charging Tiger with...Domestic
violence?   After all, he may have assulted his wife's golf club with his face.

Could it be that Erin was jealous and believed the reports that her husband was
having an affair although  there is no proof of such?  Could it be her ranting
and raving at 2 AM that caused  him to leave shortly afterward?

Listed below are the contact information for the hospital and police.  Perhaps
they can be questioned about the possiblity of the above questions.

Health Central Hospital
(407) 296-1000
Address: 10000 W Colonial Dr, Ocoee, FL 34761

Windermere Police Department
(407) 876-3757
620 Main St, Windermere, FL 34786
Police Chief Daniel Saylor.






--- On Sat, 11/28/09, Shatteredmen <ken4thelamb@...> wrote:


From: Shatteredmen <ken4thelamb@...>
Subject: [Shatteredmen] (unknown)
To: Shatteredmen@yahoogroups.com, abusedguys@yahoogroups.com,
female-male@yahoogroups.com, Fathers_are_Parents_too@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 2:19 PM


 



There are several RED FLAGS that I believe show a cover up of possible domestic
violence in this story. Did Wood's wife hit him before the accident? Why break
out a "rear" window? Why move someone unless there is danger of fire? Why did
she have a gold club with her?

This report asks where was he going at 2:25 AM.....could he just be leaving a
heated debate as men are told to do...but she followed him?

Read these TWO reports...the second seems to confirm that Tiger is the victim of
domestic violence but since the victim was a man....it sure would not be good
for this to get out.

Police to talk to Woods about accident

http://tinyurl. com/ybjst7t

By DOUG FERGUSON, AP Golf Writer Doug Ferguson, Ap Golf Writer

There are plenty of vivid details from the car crash that sent Tiger Woods to
the hospital:

His SUV hit a fire hydrant and a tree; his lips were cut and he had blood in his
mouth; his wife smashed a rear window with a golf club to get him out; he
briefly lost consciousness.

There are also plenty of questions, among them:

Where was he going at 2:25 a.m. Friday? Why was there no word from the Woods'
camp for nearly 13 hours after the accident?

Police hope Woods can answer some of them Saturday.

Two troopers tried to talk to the world's No. 1 golfer Friday evening, but his
wife said he was sleeping and they agreed to come back Saturday, Florida Highway
Patrol Sgt. Kim Montes said.

One of Woods' neighbors, who didn't want her name to be used, said it was quiet
in front of his house Saturday. She said there are usually two or three cars
parked outside his home and that was the scene now as well.

The neighbor said everyone in the gated community was discussing Woods' crash.

According to the patrol, Woods had just left his Florida mansion when he lost
control of his 2009 Cadillac and hit a fire hydrant, then a tree on his
neighbor's property. The report said alcohol was not a factor.

The patrol reported the accident occurred at 2:25 a.m. Friday morning and
classified the injuries as serious. The first word from Woods' camp — some 13
hours after the crash — was that it was a "minor accident," and he was in good
condition after being treated and released.

Windermere police chief Daniel Saylor said his two officers found the
33-year-old Woods lying in the street with his wife, Elin, hovering over him.

"She was frantic, upset," Saylor said in a briefing Friday night. "It was her
husband laying on the ground."

Saylor said Woods' wife told officers she was in the house when she heard the
accident and "broke the back window with a golf club." He said the front-door
windows were not broken and that "the door was probably locked."

"She supposedly got him out and laid him on the ground," he said. "He was in and
out of consciousness when my guys got there."

Saylor said Woods had lacerations to his upper and lower lips, and blood in his
mouth; officers treated Woods for about 10 minutes until an ambulance arrived.
Woods was conscious enough to speak, though the police chief said Woods didn't
say anything coherent.

In a telephone interview, Woods' father-in-law, radio journalist Thomas
Nordegren, told The Associated Press in Stockholm that he would not discuss the
accident.

"I haven't spoken to her in the last few ... " Nordegren said about his
daughter, Elin, before cutting himself off. "I don't want to go into that."

Woods' mother-in-law Barbro Holmberg also refused to address the matter.

"She doesn't want to comment on private issues like these," Holmberg's
spokeswoman Eva Malmborg said.

Damage to the front of Woods' SUV was described by Saylor as "not real
extensive, but not real light."

Left unanswered was where Woods was going at that hour. His agent, Mark
Steinberg, and spokesman Glenn Greenspan said there would be no comment beyond
the short statement of the accident posted Friday afternoon on Woods' Web site
that said:

"Tiger Woods was in a minor car accident outside his home last night. He was
admitted, treated and released today in good condition. We appreciate very much
everyone's thoughts and well wishes."

Asked at an evening news conference if the couple could have been arguing,
Saylor said he had no knowledge of that. The couple, married five years, have
two children.

The accident came two days after the National Enquirer published a story
alleging that Woods had been seeing a New York night club hostess, and that they
recently were together in Melbourne, where Woods competed in the Australian
Masters.

The woman, Rachel Uchitel, denied having an affair with Woods when contacted by
the AP.

"I resent my reputation is getting completely blasted in the media," she said
during a telephone interview late Friday. "Everyone is assuming I came out and
said this. This is not a story I have anything to do with."

Uchitel said she was in Melbourne two weeks ago with clients and never saw Woods
the entire time she was there.

"The story stands for itself," National Enquirer executive editor Barry Levine
told the AP on Saturday.

The Florida Highway Patrol said tapes of the 911 call won't be released until
they can be reviewed, probably Monday at the earliest.

"Right now we believe this is a traffic crash," Montes said. "We don't believe
it is a domestic issue."

She said the accident report was not issued for 12 hours because it did not meet
the criteria of a serious crash, and the FHP only released information because
of inquiries from local media.

Woods, coming off a two-week trip to China and Australia earlier this month, is
host of the Chevron World Challenge in Thousand Oaks, Calif., which starts
Thursday. He is scheduled to have his press conference Tuesday afternoon at
Sherwood Country Club. Steinberg said he did not know if Woods planned to play
next week.

Woods rarely faces such private scrutiny, even as perhaps the most famous active
athlete in the world.

He usually makes news only because of what he can do with a golf club. Few other
athletes have managed to keep their private lives so guarded, or have a circle
of friends so airtight when it comes to life off the course.

Woods' $2.4 million home is part of an exclusive subdivision near Orlando, a
community set on an Arnold Palmer-designed golf course and a chain of small
lakes. The neighborhood, which is fortified with high brick walls and has its
own security force, is home to CEOs and other sports stars such as the NBA's
Shaquille O'Neal.

Woods has won 82 times around the world and 14 majors, becoming the first player
of black heritage to win a major at the 1997 Masters when he was 21. He attended
the Stanford-Cal football game last Saturday, where he tossed the coin at the
start of the game and was inducted into Stanford's sports Hall of Fame at
halftime.

He won six times this year after missing eight months recovering from
reconstructive surgery on his left knee. Even though he failed to win a major,
Woods said he considered this a successful year because he did not know how his
knee would respond.

Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not SUV
Posted Nov 28th 2009 6:08AM by TMZ Staff

Tiger Woods did not suffer facial lacerations from a car accident. They were
inflicted by his wife, Elin Nordegren -- according to a conversation Woods had
Friday after the accident.

Tiger has yet to be formally interviewed by the Florida Highway Patrol -- that
should happen this afternoon. But we're told Tiger had a conversation Friday --
with a non-law enforcement type -- detailing what went down before his Escalade
hit a fire hydrant.

We're told he said his wife had confronted him about reports that he was seeing
another woman. The argument got heated and, according to our source, she
scratched his face up. We're told it was then Woods beat a hasty retreat for his
SUV -- but according to our source, Woods says his wife followed behind with a
golf club. As Tiger drove away, she struck the vehicle several times with the
club.

We're told Woods became "distracted, " thought the vehicle was stopped, and
looked to see what had happened. At that point the SUV hit the fire hydrant and
then hit a tree.

We're also told Woods had said during the conversation Friday he had been taking
prescription pain medication for an injury, which could explain why he seemed
somewhat out of it at the scene.

Read more: http://www.tmz. com/2009/ 11/28/tiger- woods-elin- nordegren-
fight-accident- suv-lacerations/ #ixzz0YAKHFmAA

I keep looking at the reports on, Tiger's, "accident" and have been very
suspicious of the news reports. Case and point, why did his wife come out with a
golf club in her hands???? I can bet she was after him if the truth be told.

Butch

Aw isn't that standard procedure?  Heck when they show up with a warrant all any
person has to do is politely excuse themselves as they sheepishly ask them to
fix the door that was accidently kicked in right?

Maybe Tiger is a Muslim, psychologist with the military...we need to be quiet
and allow them to present the most plausible sheep fodder...hush all you
thinkers...they are playing the quiet game.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: Jeff <trvlshpp@...>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:24:34
To: <MensIssuesOnline@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Men's Issues Online] Tiger Woods

 



Can one imagine any one of us plebeian's 'agent' informing the police that you
are not available,huh, the doors and the swat team would be inside in less than
5 seconds.

  --
  Troopers Denied Interview At Woods' Home Again

  VIDEO REPORT: Investigators To Talk To Woods
  <http://www.wftv.com/tu/5LDfUQMTO.html <http://www.wftv.com/tu/5LDfUQMTO.html>
>
  EXCLUSIVE IMAGES:Tiger Woods Accident Scene

  Highway Patrol troopers drove to Tiger Woods' home just before 3 p.m. Saturday
  to interview him about his car crash in the exclusive Isleworth subdivision,
  but his agent told troopers he wasn't available.


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  Date: Saturday, November 28, 2009, 12:55 PM

   

  If Woods' case is one of covered-up
  domestic violence against a man, a mega-celebrity no less, activist
  organizations such as dvmen.org, abusedmen.com and safe4all.org need to
  capitalize on the same. It's a great opportunity for men show the media, courts
  and legislature that all humans with a phallic structure are vulnerable to
  attacks by women. And that these same men are afraid to do anything that
  resembles protecting themselves in fear that they may wrongly arrested
  and prosecuted.
   
  DT
   
   
  http://www.tmz. <http://www.tmz.>  com/2009/ 11/28/tiger- woods-elin-
nordegren- fight-accident- suv-lacerations/

  Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not
  SUV
  Posted Nov 28th 2009 6:08AM by TMZ
  Staff

  Tiger Woods did not suffer facial lacerations from a
  car accident. They were inflicted by his wife, Elin Nordegren -- according to a
  conversation Woods had Friday after the accident.

  Tiger has yet to be formally interviewed by the
  Florida Highway Patrol -- that should happen this afternoon. But we're told
  Tiger had a conversation Friday -- with a non-law enforcement type -- detailing
  what went down before his Escalade hit a fire hydrant.

  We're told he
  said his wife had confronted him about reports that he was seeing another
woman.
  The argument got heated and, according to our source, she scratched his face
up.
  We're told it was then Woods beat a hasty retreat for his SUV -- but according
  to our source, Woods says his wife followed behind with a golf club. As Tiger
  drove away, she struck the vehicle several times with the club.

  We're
  told Woods became "distracted, " thought the vehicle was stopped, and looked to
  see what had happened. At that point the SUV hit the fire hydrant and then hit
a
  tree.

  We're also told Woods had said during the conversation Friday he
  had been taking prescription pain medication for an injury, which could explain
  why he seemed somewhat out of it at the scene.

  Read more: http://www.tmz. <http://www.tmz.>  com/2009/ 11/28/tiger-
woods-elin- nordegren- fight-accident- suv-lacerations/ #ixzz0YAKHFmAA

   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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Can one imagine any one of us  plebeian's 'agent' informing the police that you
are not available,huh, the doors and the swat team would be inside in less than
5 seconds.

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Troopers Denied Interview At Woods' Home Again

VIDEO REPORT: Investigators To Talk To Woods
<http://www.wftv.com/tu/5LDfUQMTO.html>
EXCLUSIVE IMAGES:Tiger Woods Accident Scene

Highway Patrol troopers drove to Tiger Woods' home just before 3 p.m. Saturday
to interview him about his car crash in the exclusive Isleworth subdivision,
but his agent told troopers he wasn't available.






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If Woods' case is one of covered-up
domestic violence against a man, a mega-celebrity no less, activist
organizations such as dvmen.org, abusedmen.com and safe4all.org need to
capitalize on the same. It's a great opportunity for men show the media, courts
and legislature that all humans with a phallic structure are vulnerable to
attacks by women. And that these same men are afraid to do anything that
resembles protecting themselves in fear that they may wrongly arrested
and prosecuted.
 
DT
 
 
http://www.tmz. com/2009/ 11/28/tiger- woods-elin- nordegren- fight-accident-
suv-lacerations/

Tiger Woods: Injuries Caused by Wife, Not
SUV
Posted Nov 28th 2009 6:08AM by TMZ
Staff

Tiger Woods did not suffer facial lacerations from a
car accident. They were inflicted by his wife, Elin Nordegren -- according to a
conversation Woods had Friday after the accident.


Tiger has yet to be formally interviewed by the
Florida Highway Patrol -- that should happen this afternoon. But we're told
Tiger had a conversation Friday -- with a non-law enforcement type -- detailing
what went down before his Escalade hit a fire hydrant.

We're told he
said his wife had confronted him about reports that he was seeing another woman.
The argument got heated and, according to our source, she scratched his face up.
We're told it was then Woods beat a hasty retreat for his SUV -- but according
to our source, Woods says his wife followed behind with a golf club. As Tiger
drove away, she struck the vehicle several times with the club.

We're
told Woods became "distracted, " thought the vehicle was stopped, and looked to
see what had happened. At that point the SUV hit the fire hydrant and then hit a
tree.

We're also told Woods had said during the conversation Friday he
had been taking prescription pain medication for an injury, which could explain
why he seemed somewhat out of it at the scene.


Read more: http://www.tmz. com/2009/ 11/28/tiger- woods-elin- nordegren-
fight-accident- suv-lacerations/ #ixzz0YAKHFmAA

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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