Hi Nuri
Thanks for the info. I'll contact her before I go and if I manage to
do a class, I'll post a pic of my success! lol Take car Laetitia





--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, pinar yildirim <nuripinar@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Laetitia,
>
>   You can contact Mrs. MukaTder Kavas Siviloðlu in Antalya who gives
ebru's lessons.
>
>   e-mail : bulutumsu_@...
>
>   wev site : www.ebrucu.com
>
>   Have a nice trip and good luck.
>
>   nuri pinar
>   www.nuripinar.com
>
>
>
>
> Laetitia de Chazal <laetitia_dechazal@...> a écrit :
>
>
> Hi!
> I'm new to marbling and will be going to Antalya, Turkey, in May. Can
> anybody possibly tell me if there is a member in this town that offers
> classes?
> Thanks
> Laetitia de Chazal
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Susanne,

You may as well go one step further and give more information on this
book (price, how to order, etc.)  Do you still run Calaphon?  The
selling price and contact info or website link if you are selling it
directly, or at least the ISBN to find it easily on Amazon.

Thanks,
Enid Adams

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne Krause" <studio@...> wrote:
>
> Just one remark on the side ... Garrett didn't mention it but
Karli's
> recipe for tiger eyes is from the book 'International Decorated
Paper
> – Beyond the Sample Book'. In the book are three recipes for tiger
> eyes: from Karli, Iris Nevins and Garrett himself (I'm the publisher
> of the book, so I don't have to be as modest as Garrett is!).
>
> 25 international paper decorators, several of them members of this
> group, have contributed to the book with an original sample of their
> work, a personal text and a technical text. It's a limited (100
> copies), bi-lingual edition in German and English.
>
> Susanne Krause
>

Hi Enid,

no problem with more info:
The price for shipping to US is € 148 incl. shipping (registered). The
book can be ordered from me.

Authors are: Joan Ajala (Australia), Vibeke Bak Hansen (Denmark),
Brigitte Chardome (Belgium), Renato Nascimento Crepaldi (Brazil),
Karli Frigge (The Netherlands), Garrett Dixon (USA), Victoria Hall
(England), Ingeborg Hartmann (Germany), Milena Hughes (USA), Leslie
Kleinwaechter (Austria), Susanne Krause (Germany), Takaji Kuroda
(Japan), Diane Maurer (USA), Claire Maziarczyk (USA), Einen Miura
(Japan/USA), Tini Miura (USA/Japan), Marianne Moll (Switzerland), Iris
Nevins (USA), Christopher Nobbs (England), Sabine Rasper  (Germany),
Gisela Reschke (Germany), Ahmet Saral (Austria), Nedim Sönmez
(Turkey), Lutz Walter (Germany), Violet Wilson (Australia).
Introduction: Dr. Sidney Berger (USA)

The book is in German and English, 18 x 24 cm landscape format, 112
pp., bound and designed by Olaf Nie, he is a master bookbinder living
near Munich. Limited and numbered edition of 100 copies.

Many of the authors are represented in the exhibition 'Album Amicorum'
in Colorado, announced by Tom Leech the other day.

You ask, do you still run Calaphon? No I don't and never have. In fact
I don't know what it is, sorry.

Susanne Krause

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "enidadams" <enid@...> wrote:
>
> Susanne,
>
> You may as well go one step further and give more information on this
> book (price, how to order, etc.)  Do you still run Calaphon?  The
> selling price and contact info or website link if you are selling it
> directly, or at least the ISBN to find it easily on Amazon.
>
> Thanks,
> Enid Adams
>
> --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne Krause" <studio@> wrote:
> >
> > Just one remark on the side ... Garrett didn't mention it but
> Karli's
> > recipe for tiger eyes is from the book 'International Decorated
> Paper
> > – Beyond the Sample Book'. In the book are three recipes for tiger
> > eyes: from Karli, Iris Nevins and Garrett himself (I'm the publisher
> > of the book, so I don't have to be as modest as Garrett is!).
> >
> > 25 international paper decorators, several of them members of this
> > group, have contributed to the book with an original sample of their
> > work, a personal text and a technical text. It's a limited (100
> > copies), bi-lingual edition in German and English.
> >
> > Susanne Krause
> >
>

Hi Peter

I just read your message.  Would you please mail the sun spot to me
too.  Thank you.

Anjali



--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, baumgartner.papierdesign@... wrote:
>
> I scanned a sun spot paper from the book "The Art of Marbled Paper"
by
> Einen Miura (page 80). If you want, I  mail it as an attachment to
you
> (.jpg file).
> Peter
>

Happy Valentines day! I'm looking for advice/opinions/ whatever, on the
subject of making a living with marbling.
I recently left a full time job as a designer and am considering
spending some time marbling again before returning to a desk-job.  Is
there currently a market for marbled paper/workshops, etc?  I live in
the San Francisco Bay Area, and would love to meet up with local
marblers as inspriration for getting my feet (hands) wet again.
Thanks in advance for any advice,
Susan Haufler Foster

Here is Ms Krause's Web info

studio@...
http://www.hamburgerbuntpapier.de


She still has some copies.

momora

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone might be interested in another paper exchange. It's
been about
two years since the last one. I know we have a lot of new members and people
have been
trying new things.

For those of you who haven't participated in past exchanges, the way it works is
this.
Everyone who is interested contacts me. Once we have a final count, you send
that many
5" x7" (12.5cm x 17.5cm) samples to me, along with some information about your
work. I
then redistribute the samples and return to you one each of everyone else's,
along with
their information.

The last time we had about 15 participants. The work was varied and extremely
interesting.
While web pictures are fine, it's always much more satisfying and instructive 
to be able to
actually see a real sample.

The exchange is open to everyone (not just those in the Yahoo group), so invite
your
friends if you like. Also, it is open to people at every level, from beginner to
professional.

If you are interested, please contact me directly at bannerworks@..., so
as not to
waste the time of those not interested. I'll send you more detailed
instructions. Let's set a
cut-off date for signing up of March 1. I look forward to hearing from you!

--Marc Horovitz

Hi Marc,

Thank you again for arranging the paper exchange. Its been a while
since the last exchange. Hopefully this will be a yearly thing :)

I enjoyed the papers sent in the last exchange. The last exchange was
well organised.

You can count me in for this one.

I encourage members to join in the exchange as you get to see the real
stuff, the different techniques and material employed.


John Ang
Co-moderator.

> I was wondering if anyone might be interested in another paper
exchange. It's been about
> two years since the last one. I know we have a lot of new members
and people have been
> trying new things.
>
> --Marc Horovitz
>

I can participate, but I have a question.

Is only marbled paper Exchange?

Giro.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Marbling@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de
John Ang
Enviado el: viernes, 15 de febrero de 2008 3:12
Para: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [Marbling] Re: Paper exchange?

Hi Marc,

Thank you again for arranging the paper exchange. Its been a while
since the last exchange. Hopefully this will be a yearly thing :)

I enjoyed the papers sent in the last exchange. The last exchange was
well organised.

You can count me in for this one.

I encourage members to join in the exchange as you get to see the real
stuff, the different techniques and material employed.


John Ang
Co-moderator.

> I was wondering if anyone might be interested in another paper
exchange. It's been about
> two years since the last one. I know we have a lot of new members
and people have been
> trying new things.
>
> --Marc Horovitz
>





Yahoo! Groups Links

Thank you Momora for the info.  I will write to her today.

   Anjali

momo <momora@...> wrote:
           Here is Ms Krause's Web info

studio@...
http://www.hamburgerbuntpapier.de

She still has some copies.

momora






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Hi Giro,

Yes, only marbled paper, please. Shall I add your name to the list?

Thanks,
Marc



I can participate, but I have a question.

Is only marbled paper Exchange?

Giro.



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angchengsiew wrote:
> Greetings fellow members,
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk-Ta7ichz4>
>
>>From KETC, LIVING ST. LOUIS Producer Jim Kirchherr discovers the rare
> art of paper marbling—an old-fashioned way of making decorative sheets

   Sorry for the delay. MissHunt and I attended this by accident when
visiting her brother who taught at UMSL until retirement last year.
The library was only a block from his office on campus. It was the
first time I had been in St. Louis and we tried to see as much as
possible. It was by happenstance that we were 1000 miles from home
and stumbled on a marbling exhibit.
   The exhibit was well done and worth the visit. I remember they had
photos of a number of the public events and demonstrations of
marbling. The kids looked like they had a blast. There were probably
30-40 papers up for display, plus a lot of the equipment and examples
of older equipment. It is long gone now, but fun to look back on
through the video.
   Thanks, Roger
--
Visit http://www.misshunt.com/ for fun and creative items including
the famous Clean/Dirty dishwasher magnet, now available in velcro.

Plaese add me to the list. Respectfully;
momora

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "sidestreet6862" <bannerworks@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was wondering if anyone might be interested in another paper
exchange. It's been about
> two years since the last one. I know we have a lot of new members
and people have been
> trying new things.
>
> For those of you who haven't participated in past exchanges, the way
it works is this.
> Everyone who is interested contacts me. Once we have a final count,
you send that many
> 5" x7" (12.5cm x 17.5cm) samples to me, along with some information
about your work. I
> then redistribute the samples and return to you one each of everyone
else's, along with
> their information.
>
>
>
> --Marc Horovitz
>

merhaba,
   I am from Türkiye;I practice tradatinal Turkish Ebru.
   You may add me this group.I am wondering the new things.
   Thanks,
   Yeşim Göktepe

sidestreet6862 <bannerworks@...> wrote:
           Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone might be interested in another paper exchange. It's
been about
two years since the last one. I know we have a lot of new members and people
have been
trying new things.

For those of you who haven't participated in past exchanges, the way it works is
this.
Everyone who is interested contacts me. Once we have a final count, you send
that many
5" x7" (12.5cm x 17.5cm) samples to me, along with some information about your
work. I
then redistribute the samples and return to you one each of everyone else's,
along with
their information.

The last time we had about 15 participants. The work was varied and extremely
interesting.
While web pictures are fine, it's always much more satisfying and instructive to
be able to
actually see a real sample.

The exchange is open to everyone (not just those in the Yahoo group), so invite
your
friends if you like. Also, it is open to people at every level, from beginner to
professional.

If you are interested, please contact me directly at bannerworks@..., so
as not to
waste the time of those not interested. I'll send you more detailed
instructions. Let's set a
cut-off date for signing up of March 1. I look forward to hearing from you!

--Marc Horovitz






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Posta'da
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Hi Marc,
My name is Evi Parissi and I have participated in the previous two
paper exchanges. I would like to be included in your list.
Best,
Evi

Hi Evi,

Thanks for your note. Nice to hear from you again. At the moment I'm just saving
everyone's e-mail addresses. After the cut-off date I'll get back in touch with
you with complete instructions, which will be much like last time.

Best wishes,
Marc



  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "evibol" <evibol@...>
> Hi Marc,
> My name is Evi Parissi and I have participated in the previous two
> paper exchanges. I would like to be included in your list.
> Best,
> Evi
>
>



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I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for marbling.
Can anyone confirm this ??
... or give comments

Erik,

>I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for marbling.

Did the person who told you this mention what kind of paints they were
using?

Much as MC HPMC and HMC have various kinds and grades, so does CMC.
There is a kind made that is so viscous, it is used as a building
material and in architectural restoration.

While I've never used it for any method of marbling, I do know paper
conservators who use certain types of Sodium CMC in very low solutions
as as an adhesive.

<http://aic.stanford.edu/sg/bpg/annual/v01/bp01-04.html>

I have the impression that it is a lot more viscous and also also more
polar, which may limit the paint that is used to oil.  In fact, I
think that Asco marbling, a kind of oil-color method developed by
artists at the Ascona School in Switzerland, is made on such a viscous
sizing.

If you try it out, let us know how it goes!

Jake Benson





--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen" <erik@...> wrote:
>
> I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for marbling.
> Can anyone confirm this ??
> ... or give comments
>

I think that maybe the people at Il Papiro in Italy also use this, their sizing
is very thick.

Susanne


To: Marbling@...: jemiljan@...: Fri, 22 Feb 2008
16:08:43 +0000Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers




Erik,>I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for marbling.Did
the person who told you this mention what kind of paints they wereusing? Much as
MC HPMC and HMC have various kinds and grades, so does CMC. There is a kind made
that is so viscous, it is used as a buildingmaterial and in architectural
restoration. While I've never used it for any method of marbling, I do know
paperconservators who use certain types of Sodium CMC in very low solutionsas as
an adhesive. <http://aic.stanford.edu/sg/bpg/annual/v01/bp01-04.html>I have the
impression that it is a lot more viscous and also also morepolar, which may
limit the paint that is used to oil. In fact, Ithink that Asco marbling, a kind
of oil-color method developed byartists at the Ascona School in Switzerland, is
made on such a viscoussizing. If you try it out, let us know how it goes! Jake
Benson--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen" <erik@...> wrote:>> I've
heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for marbling.> Can anyone
confirm this ??> ... or give comments>






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I'm just in the starting phase of marbling and my experience is close
to zero.
I first tried out oil based paints on MC size - but had a lot of
trouble and small control of pattern.
Then I got hold of some samples of CMC and tried out water based paints
(which I made from Caran D'Ache aquarelle "chalks") and different
amount of syntetic oxgall. Suddenly I achieved something that looked
much better and felt that I actually could control the patterns of
several colours much better - even if the results were generally
somewhat pale.
According to the following technical datasheet for the CMC it should be
possible to adjust the rheology quite much. I made the size to a
viscosity similar to a thick coffee cream - maybe a little thicker.

So... to me CMC seems to have some potensial. But as I said - my
experience is still close to zero. (But increasing!)

Hi Susanne,

I just asked a friend who worked for them for some years, and he said
that they actually used boiled carragheen moss for size, but they did
use oil colors and oil-based printing inks.

Natural Carragheen moss contains three distinct types of gels,
designated by a different Greek letter; Kappa, Iota, and Lambda.
Kappa and Iota are less soluble and tend to form very viscous, even
solid gels.  The powdered carragheenan extract  that is generally sold
for marbling here in the US is refined lambda, which is a very fine
gel that never really solidifies.

Jake

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, susanne martin <alavee15@...> wrote:
>
>
> I think that maybe the people at Il Papiro in Italy also use this,
their sizing is very thick.
>
> Susanne
>
>
> To: Marbling@...: jemiljan@...: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:08:43
+0000Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>
>
>
>
> Erik,>I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
marbling.Did the person who told you this mention what kind of paints
they wereusing? Much as MC HPMC and HMC have various kinds and grades,
so does CMC. There is a kind made that is so viscous, it is used as a
buildingmaterial and in architectural restoration. While I've never
used it for any method of marbling, I do know paperconservators who
use certain types of Sodium CMC in very low solutionsas as an
adhesive. <http://aic.stanford.edu/sg/bpg/annual/v01/bp01-04.html>I
have the impression that it is a lot more viscous and also also
morepolar, which may limit the paint that is used to oil. In fact,
Ithink that Asco marbling, a kind of oil-color method developed
byartists at the Ascona School in Switzerland, is made on such a
viscoussizing. If you try it out, let us know how it goes! Jake
Benson--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen" <erik@>
wrote:>> I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
marbling.> Can anyone confirm this ??> ... or give comments>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Erik- can you obtain carragheen seaweed (Latin: Chondrus crispus) for
marbling where you live?

What is synthetic Ox gall?

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen" <erik@...> wrote:
>
> I'm just in the starting phase of marbling and my experience is close
> to zero.
> I first tried out oil based paints on MC size - but had a lot of
> trouble and small control of pattern.
> Then I got hold of some samples of CMC and tried out water based paints
> (which I made from Caran D'Ache aquarelle "chalks") and different
> amount of syntetic oxgall. Suddenly I achieved something that looked
> much better and felt that I actually could control the patterns of
> several colours much better - even if the results were generally
> somewhat pale.
> According to the following technical datasheet for the CMC it should be
> possible to adjust the rheology quite much. I made the size to a
> viscosity similar to a thick coffee cream - maybe a little thicker.
>
> So... to me CMC seems to have some potensial. But as I said - my
> experience is still close to zero. (But increasing!)
>

Thanks Jake, that explains it. I went to a demo in Italy and when I told them
that I marbled they let me try a sheet. It was a whole different experience,
alot rougher and faster pace then what I am used to!
    I hope you are keeping well. I got a interesting letter from Pyramiod
Atlantic about the next Book Arts Fair. It sounds like the complaints were
listened to, it looks like the next show is shaping up to be a good one, see you
then!

Susanne
________________________________
> To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
> From: jemiljan@...
> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:47:57 +0000
> Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>
>
> Hi Susanne,
>
> I just asked a friend who worked for them for some years, and he said
> that they actually used boiled carragheen moss for size, but they did
> use oil colors and oil-based printing inks.
>
> Natural Carragheen moss contains three distinct types of gels,
> designated by a different Greek letter; Kappa, Iota, and Lambda.
> Kappa and Iota are less soluble and tend to form very viscous, even
> solid gels. The powdered carragheenan extract that is generally sold
> for marbling here in the US is refined lambda, which is a very fine
> gel that never really solidifies.
>
> Jake
>
> --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, susanne martin  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think that maybe the people at Il Papiro in Italy also use this,
> their sizing is very thick.
>>
>> Susanne
>>
>>
>> To: Marbling@...: jemiljan@...: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:08:43
> +0000Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Erik,>I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
> marbling.Did the person who told you this mention what kind of paints
> they wereusing? Much as MC HPMC and HMC have various kinds and grades,
> so does CMC. There is a kind made that is so viscous, it is used as a
> buildingmaterial and in architectural restoration. While I've never
> used it for any method of marbling, I do know paperconservators who
> use certain types of Sodium CMC in very low solutionsas as an
> adhesive. I
> have the impression that it is a lot more viscous and also also
> morepolar, which may limit the paint that is used to oil. In fact,
> Ithink that Asco marbling, a kind of oil-color method developed
> byartists at the Ascona School in Switzerland, is made on such a
> viscoussizing. If you try it out, let us know how it goes! Jake
> Benson--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen"> wrote:>> I've heard
that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
> marbling.> Can anyone confirm this ??> ... or give comments>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> To: marbling@yahoogroups.com
> From: alavee15@...
> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:09:34 +0000
> Subject: RE: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>
>
> Thanks Jake, that explains it. I went to a demo in Italy and when I told them
that I marbled they let me try a sheet. It was a whole different experience,
alot rougher and faster pace then what I am used to!
> I hope you are keeping well. I got a interesting letter from Pyramiod Atlantic
about the next Book Arts Fair. It sounds like the complaints were listened to,
it looks like the next show is shaping up to be a good one, see you then!
>
> Susanne
> ________________________________
>> To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
>> From: jemiljan@...
>> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:47:57 +0000
>> Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>>
>>
>> Hi Susanne,
>>
>> I just asked a friend who worked for them for some years, and he said
>> that they actually used boiled carragheen moss for size, but they did
>> use oil colors and oil-based printing inks.
>>
>> Natural Carragheen moss contains three distinct types of gels,
>> designated by a different Greek letter; Kappa, Iota, and Lambda.
>> Kappa and Iota are less soluble and tend to form very viscous, even
>> solid gels. The powdered carragheenan extract that is generally sold
>> for marbling here in the US is refined lambda, which is a very fine
>> gel that never really solidifies.
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, susanne martin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that maybe the people at Il Papiro in Italy also use this,
>> their sizing is very thick.
>>>
>>> Susanne
>>>
>>>
>>> To: Marbling@...: jemiljan@...: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:08:43
>> +0000Subject: [Marbling] Re: Types of cellulose ethers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Erik,>I've heard that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
>> marbling.Did the person who told you this mention what kind of paints
>> they wereusing? Much as MC HPMC and HMC have various kinds and grades,
>> so does CMC. There is a kind made that is so viscous, it is used as a
>> buildingmaterial and in architectural restoration. While I've never
>> used it for any method of marbling, I do know paperconservators who
>> use certain types of Sodium CMC in very low solutionsas as an
>> adhesive. I
>> have the impression that it is a lot more viscous and also also
>> morepolar, which may limit the paint that is used to oil. In fact,
>> Ithink that Asco marbling, a kind of oil-color method developed
>> byartists at the Ascona School in Switzerland, is made on such a
>> viscoussizing. If you try it out, let us know how it goes! Jake
>> Benson--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen"> wrote:>> I've heard
that Carboxy Methyl Cellulose (CMC) is great for
>> marbling.> Can anyone confirm this ??> ... or give comments>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Carrageen:
I have tried to find suppliers of carragheen seaweed, but without
success (Norway).
However, I ended up at a company providing different additives to the
food industry - among other things a lot of "thickeners".
We ended up that he sent me samples of a one type carragheenan powder
and one type CMC.

The first one consists of mainly ioata-carragheen - which is the type
that should not form a jelly - but give a viscous mixture, depending
on the concentration powder/water.
As I understood, in the food industry, there's a lot of
different "carragheenans" and they all are made of different
combinations of the 3 base types.

The second sample (CMC) seems to make similar properties when mixed
with water - but one need a lot less powder per unit water.
The one I tried gives a viscosity similar to thick cream at 1 flat
teaspoon per liter water. You have to mix in a high speed blender to
avoid lumps - and it seems ready for use after 1 hour "resting".
There is a lot of different types of this material - and CMC also
have a lot of applications. The rheology and lubrication properties
makes it suitable as additive in many areas (construction, food, oil
drilling, etc. etc.).
http://www.cpkelco.com/applications/cmc_products.html



Synthetic Ox Gall:
I havn't the faintest idea. Just that the guy in the artists shop
told me he had a SYNTHETIC one when I asked for ox gall.
Here's a link to the one I bought:
http://www.talens.com/english/products/detail.asp?
subID=8&mc=004&artikel=24280051

Erik,

use Kremer Pigmente. I have checked their German main catalogue and
found Carragheenan as well as ox gall. They give KEM in Oslo as their
Norwegian address, Tel 02-332 69 40 If KEM don't have it in stock they
can probably add the items to their next order.

Susanne Krause, Hamburg

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Erik Haagensen" <erik@...> wrote:
>
> Carrageen:
> I have tried to find suppliers of carragheen seaweed, but without
> success (Norway).
> However, I ended up at a company providing different additives to the
> food industry - among other things a lot of "thickeners".
> We ended up that he sent me samples of a one type carragheenan powder
> and one type CMC.
>
> The first one consists of mainly ioata-carragheen - which is the type
> that should not form a jelly - but give a viscous mixture, depending
> on the concentration powder/water.
> As I understood, in the food industry, there's a lot of
> different "carragheenans" and they all are made of different
> combinations of the 3 base types.
>
> The second sample (CMC) seems to make similar properties when mixed
> with water - but one need a lot less powder per unit water.
> The one I tried gives a viscosity similar to thick cream at 1 flat
> teaspoon per liter water. You have to mix in a high speed blender to
> avoid lumps - and it seems ready for use after 1 hour "resting".
> There is a lot of different types of this material - and CMC also
> have a lot of applications. The rheology and lubrication properties
> makes it suitable as additive in many areas (construction, food, oil
> drilling, etc. etc.).
> http://www.cpkelco.com/applications/cmc_products.html
>
>
>
> Synthetic Ox Gall:
> I havn't the faintest idea. Just that the guy in the artists shop
> told me he had a SYNTHETIC one when I asked for ox gall.
> Here's a link to the one I bought:
> http://www.talens.com/english/products/detail.asp?
> subID=8&mc=004&artikel=24280051
>

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Hello,
¨
I'm interested in this paper exchange.
If you don't know my work, you can see it at
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Hope to hear from you,

Alain Valet
Belgium

Am interested in joining the paper exchange.  Let me know what is
involved.  Always fun to get packages from everywhere!  Especially
marbled papers!
Creatively,
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