Thanks Garrett ....I just make it fresh. I find nothing more depressing than
starting a morning with filthy size, I always get bottom residue, I do about
80-100 sheets in a day so it's pretty useless after that. I just never liked the
borax. I have followed Halfer and Chambers, and I think Loring's methods. It
would be nice to have a tray up and running all the time to experiment. Though I
can make size be ready in an hour with very hot water, blend no more than one
TBS at a time ( I usually do four and make a thick gloop and add lots of water
if it is to sit overnight) and I can actually work on hot/warm size quite well.
I used to work like that long ago. When the mood struck. Now it's not so
spontaneous, I have orders and plan around them. When not marbling I need the
room for other pursuits too.... I have oddly enough, taken up guitar making and
am doing the finishing work on the marbling bench lately.

iris nevins



----- Original Message -----
   From: G. Dixon<mailto:gdixon@...>
   To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:42 PM
   Subject: Re: [Marbling] size mixtures - carrageenan and tragacanth


   Iris,
   When I started marbling I used Anne Chambers book as my starting point and she
advised one heaping teaspoonful (about 6-7 grams) of borax for 3 liters of size.
It has some antiseptic qualities and I think that is does help to preserve the
size a little longer, and that is why I use it.  During the winter, when my room
is cold, the size can last about two weeks in pretty good shape.  In summer,
with the warmer temperatures it is less effective - I can get only about 4 good
days out of the size.  I like to keep some useable size around in case I get an
idea about trying something out.  Joseph Halfer added about 10 grams of borax to
six quarts of size, as best I can tell from his book.  He did find that size
with borax affected the paints - causes more spreading of the paints, and didn't
recommend adding it when doing combed or drawn patterns.  I haven't found that
it affects my paints either way (perhaps because I developed my paints to work
on this size), but I think I will test out
    some combed patterns with and without the borax to see if there is a
difference.  If you're not keeping the size, however, it wouldn't seem worth
adding to me either.
   Garrett
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: irisnevins
     To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
     Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 9:38 AM
     Subject: Re: [Marbling] size mixtures - carrageenan and tragacanth


     Garrett... doesn't the borax mess your size up? It makes my lines less
clear. With all kinds of paints. Why do you use it, for PH or do the materials
work better?

     I was never taught marbling, it was just trial and lots of error, more error
than trial, lol! Still I never bothered with PH issues, only as far as paper
goes, but for the rest of it, I always kept things simple and easy and they work
really well, even in the most hard water you can imagine. I heard about borax a
few years into marbling and never liked it, nor saw for myself, a reason to use
it at all. They say it preserves the size, but it never made a difference for
me, and I hated looking at dirty size the next day anyway so out it would go. I
know exactly how much I need for any amount of paper and just make that up.

     I wish my room would stay 50-55% humidity and 62 degrees year round. Even
artificial air conditioning doesn't make things the same.

     iris nevins
     ----- Original Message -----
     From: dixongarrett<mailto:gdixon@...<mailto:gdixon@...>>
     To:
Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogr\
oups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>>
     Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 1:02 PM
     Subject: [Marbling] size mixtures - carrageenan and tragacanth

     I appreciate the discussion and the interest. Susanne is right, we
     all develop our decorated paper styles and techniques as our local
     conditions demand or as our own particular difficulties force us to.
     As I have said, the advantage of this mixture, for me, has been that
     it makes the paints much less sensitive to ox gall. I use more ox
     gall than in the past, but I have never had the problem of residual
     gall building up on the size and interfering with the marbling, as
     happens on pure carrageenan, and have no problems with paint sinking.
     I work on a "thicker" size than Iris, and this will have some effect
     on the total amount of gall needed to float the paints. I obtain the
     tragacanth in powder form from Talas, but haved used other sources as
     well. I purchase 8 oz amounts. This lasts a long time and does not
     appear to spoil.

     My process is as follows: I mix carrageenan using the blender method
     with 12 grams (today this equaled 1 level tablespoonful) for each 1.5
     liters (a little more than 1 1/2 quarts) of water. I use tap water,
     but also add borax at about 1 teaspoonful for each 3 liters of size.
     I usually make about 5 gallons of size at a time. For each 3.75-4
     liters of size (or gallon)I will add 1 gram of gum tragacanth, so for
     the 5 gallons of size I blend 5 grams (today this measured 1 and 1/2
     teaspoonsful - 1 tsp was 3.4 grams) of gum tragacanth powder with hot
     water (usually 1/2 liter of water) and stir this into the carrageenan
     size. I let my size rest for about 12 hours before using it.

     I make my own paints, so there is no dispersant in them to start with.
     In winter, the temperature of my room is usually around 58 degrees
     Farenheit; in summer 65-70 degrees (winter marbling is better and the
     size lasts much longer).

     I have not found this mixture to be of much benefit when using acrylic
     paints chiefly for the reason that they have so much dispersant
     already in the paints that this small amount of tragacanth has little
     impact.

     Comments are always welcome.
     Garrett Dixon

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Greetings Marbling Listserv!

Guild Of Book Workers Celebrates 100 Years!
STILL TIME TO REGISTER
REGISTRATION CLOSES SEPTEMBER 12

There is still space available to attend the Guild of Book Workers
Centennial Celebration to be held in New York City on October 12-14, 2006.
The conference will feature a two-day symposium of the "Art of the Book in
America," two exhibitions of current and past Guild members' work, and a
dinner cruise to celebrate our anniversary.

Registration materials may be downloaded from the GBW Centennial Celebration
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and non-members are available, as well as forms for bookbinding suppliers
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Full information on conference events and speakers are available on the
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Events in summary:
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€ Thursday, October 12: An Opening Reception for the Centennial Exhibition
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and a Contemporary Exhibition.
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Book in America, 1906-2006" at the New York Academy of Medicine
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€ Vendor Room at the New York Academy of Medicine.
€ Lab tours and visits at NY museums
€ For up-to-date details, check the GBW website:
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for all the book arts. It was founded in New York City in 1906 to "establish
and maintain a feeling of kinship and mutual interest among workers in the
several hand book crafts." Among its early members were well-known
artist-craft workers. Today, the Guild is almost 1000 members strong, and
embraces all the book arts - from binding to printing to marbling to
calligraphy; from the traditional to the avant-garde. Our members come from
across the United States and around the world. For more information about
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Questions? Please contact Nancy Lev-Alexander, Guild of Book Workers
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Galen Berry, a nationally known "Marbler" will be teaching  "Marbling on
Paper and Fabric" in Manhattan this October. This is a one  day workshop -
Beginner Marbling class and it is limited to 16  people.   The class may fill
quickly.

The class is  Saturday, October 21, 2006
Time:  10:00 am to 4:00 pm (bring a lunch)
Cost is $120.00

The class is  sponsored by "The Ink Pad", 22 Eighth Avenue (at West 12th  St.)

The class  will be held at:
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Washington Street; one block from the Hudson River. (five blocks from the Ink
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For more  information, or to register, call the Ink Pad at
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Thanks Garret and Iris,

Now I see that I mixed far too much trag in my mix- a full 50% 50%
mix.  Hence the "stringy" results.

I have wonderd whether using a different form of carrageenan would
also help here.  As I understand it, the powdered extract that is used
by many of us for marbling is LAMBDA carrageenan, which is very fine.
  I wonder if mixing in another variety.  For example, would adding a
small amount of  KAPPA or IOTA carrageenan results in a stronger gel?

I tried boiling seaweed once, but i think it was old, and the quality
poor.  However I do understand the natural stuff has all three types
combined.  I wonder if a little bit of boiled seaweed, added to the
lambda gel, may also help?

Once I did try adding a little cold water dispersible Methyl Cell to
lambda carrageenan to see if I could work with that. I added a very
small amount, but it changed the properties so greatly that I had a
hard time getting my hand-made water colors to float on it properly.
I bet it would have worked just fine for acrylic paints.


Jake Benson

I am so tired of experimenting! I will likely try the mix at some point, but not
yet....!
thanks
irsi
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Jake Benson<mailto:jemiljan@...>
   To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:25 PM
   Subject: [Marbling] combined gels


   Thanks Garret and Iris,

   Now I see that I mixed far too much trag in my mix- a full 50% 50%
   mix.  Hence the "stringy" results.

   I have wonderd whether using a different form of carrageenan would
   also help here.  As I understand it, the powdered extract that is used
   by many of us for marbling is LAMBDA carrageenan, which is very fine.
    I wonder if mixing in another variety.  For example, would adding a
   small amount of  KAPPA or IOTA carrageenan results in a stronger gel?

   I tried boiling seaweed once, but i think it was old, and the quality
   poor.  However I do understand the natural stuff has all three types
   combined.  I wonder if a little bit of boiled seaweed, added to the
   lambda gel, may also help?

   Once I did try adding a little cold water dispersible Methyl Cell to
   lambda carrageenan to see if I could work with that. I added a very
   small amount, but it changed the properties so greatly that I had a
   hard time getting my hand-made water colors to float on it properly.
   I bet it would have worked just fine for acrylic paints.


   Jake Benson








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A little inspiration

http://www-us.flickr.com/photos/41707669@N00/225607825/

Thanks Jake!

Indeed, a puddle in New Mexico is almost as rare as ice at the equator. After
a long drought and scary fire season earlier this summer, in August we had
more rain in New Mexico than anyone can remember. My basement (sometimes
referred to as the Billy the Kid Memorial Dungeon) at the Palace Press flooded
twice
- once due to a broken city water main, but the second time from heavy rain.

Last week my wife and I were camping at Chaco Canyon and were poured on
during dinner one evening. All the other campers sought refuge in their tents,
but
Kathleen and I donned rain gear, toasted the heavens, and ate out in the rain.
Later I figured out that everyone else was from out of state. For us, rain is
still a gift. Reminds me of what I learned from Oz in Istanbul - that for
some, an umbrella is an offence to Allah for the offering of rain.

Perhaps the photo illustrates why I am so attracted to marbled concentric
overlays. I would recommend to any marbler taking the time to watch raindrops on
a lake (if you are lucky enough to have rain, that is!) Right now I flash back
a few years to standing on a wooden bridge in the rain next to the 8th
Century poet Tu Fu's cottage in Chengdu, China. In the creek below I pondered
the
millions of raindrops falling, thinking of each as an annual ring in a tree, or
the annual year of one's life, and the millions of lives growing, overlapping
and vanishing in an instant.

Marblers, take the time to think about time! Hopefully, it will slow you down
to a pace more in step with the universe. Our trip last week also took us to
the Grand Canyon. Talk about feeling small and humble and insignificant. At
Chaco we thought about the vanished culture of 700 to a thousand years ago. At
the Grand Canyon, a thousand years is a but a second compared to the 6 million
years it took rain and wind to gouge out the gorge, and that is but a second
compared to the 1.2 billion years of rock laid out before your eyes. And the
color! Should anything approaching it ever end up in my tank I will consider
myself blessed.

As a sorry aside, a ranger told me that the new Superintendent at Chaco
Canyon National Historic Park is a politically appointed creationist, who
maintains
that all the rock at Chaco (which includes plentiful deposits of fossilized
sea life) was formed at the Creation - 6,000 years ago!)

But enough musing.

I also want to tell everyone that our show, Rebirth of a Craft: Paper
Marbling in New Mexico, opens on Friday, September 8 at the DW WIlliams Art
Center at
New Mexcio State University in Las Cruces. The show has traveled a fair
amount this summer and was at Ghost Ranch, near Geogia OKeeffe's house, in June.
Olaf and Barbara were able to see the show on their visit.

Hope this finds you well, and happy marbling!

tom

-----------------
Forwarded Message:
Subj:Re: [Marbling] Digest Number 1141
Date:9/3/2006 6:49:12 AM Mountain Standard Time
From:Leech541
To:notify-dg-Marbling@yahoogroups.com



Thanks Jake!

Indeed, a puddle in New Mexico is almost as rare as ice at the equator. After
a long drought and scary fire season earlier this summer, in August we had
more rain in New Mexico than anyone can remember. My basement (sometimes
referred to as the Billy the Kid Memorial Dungeon) at the Palace Press flooded
twice
- once due to a broken city water main, but the second time from heavy rain.

Last week my wife and I were camping at Chaco Canyon and were poured on
during dinner one evening. All the other campers sought refuge in their tents,
but
Kathleen and I donned rain gear, toasted the heavens, and ate out in the rain.
Later I figured out that everyone else was from out of state. For us, rain is
still a gift. Reminds me of what I learned from Oz in Istanbul - that for
some, an umbrella is an offence to Allah for the offering of rain.

Perhaps the photo illustrates why I am so attracted to marbled concentric
overlays. I would recommend to any marbler taking the time to watch raindrops on
a lake (if you are lucky enough to have rain, that is!) Right now I flash back
a few years to standing on a bridge in the rain next to the poet Tu Fu's
cottage in Chengdu, China. In the creek below I pondered the millions of
raindrops
falling, thinking of each as an annual ring in a tree, or the annual year of
one's life, and the millions of lives growing, overlapping and vanishing in an
instant.

Marblers, take the time to think about time! Hopefully, it will slow you down
to a pace in step with the universe. Our trip last week also took us to the
Grand Canyon. Talk about feeling small and humble and insignificant. At Chaco
we thought about the vanished culture of 700 to a thousand years ago. At the
Grand Canyon, a thousand years is a but a second compared to the 6 million years
it took rain and wind to gouge out the gorge, and that is but a second
compared to the 1.2 billion years of rock laid out before your eyes. And the
color!
Should anything approaching it ever end up in my tank I will consider myself
blessed.

As a sorry aside, a ranger told me that the new Superintendent at Chaco
Canyon National Historic Park is a politically appointed creationist, who
maintains
that all the rock at Chaco (which includes plentiful deposits of fossilized
sea life) was formed at the Creation - 6,000 years ago!)

But enough musing.

I also want to tell everyone that our show, Rebirth of a Craft: Paper
Marbling in New Mexico opens on Friday, September 8 at the DW WIlliams Art
Center at
New Mexcio State University in Las Cruces. The exhibit features a true cross
section of marbled works by Pam Smith, Polly Fox, Katherine Loeffler, Cove
(john Coventry), Paul Maurer and myself. This show has traveled a fair amount
this
summer and was at Ghost Ranch, near Geogia OKeeffe's house, in June. Olaf and
Barbara were able to see the show on their visit.

Hope this finds you well, and happy marbling!

tom


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dear mr leech  just read the wonderful messafe you postd to the marbling
group.  you mentioned how you liked concentric circles.  since most of my
marblings are begun with concen tric circles I would like to send you some
laser prints via snail mail. my xcomputer knowlewdge is not good wenough to
send them by the net.  so please send me a currewnt snail mail address and i
will get them in the mail.    omas d'aquin>From: leech541@...
>Reply-To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
>To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Marbling] New Mexico....
>Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 00:34:38 EDT
>
>Thanks Jake!
>
>Indeed, a puddle in New Mexico is almost as rare as ice at the equator.
>After
>a long drought and scary fire season earlier this summer, in August we had
>more rain in New Mexico than anyone can remember. My basement (sometimes
>referred to as the Billy the Kid Memorial Dungeon) at the Palace Press
>flooded twice
>- once due to a broken city water main, but the second time from heavy
>rain.
>
>Last week my wife and I were camping at Chaco Canyon and were poured on
>during dinner one evening. All the other campers sought refuge in their
>tents, but
>Kathleen and I donned rain gear, toasted the heavens, and ate out in the
>rain.
>Later I figured out that everyone else was from out of state. For us, rain
>is
>still a gift. Reminds me of what I learned from Oz in Istanbul - that for
>some, an umbrella is an offence to Allah for the offering of rain.
>
>Perhaps the photo illustrates why I am so attracted to marbled concentric
>overlays. I would recommend to any marbler taking the time to watch
>raindrops on
>a lake (if you are lucky enough to have rain, that is!) Right now I flash
>back
>a few years to standing on a wooden bridge in the rain next to the 8th
>Century poet Tu Fu's cottage in Chengdu, China. In the creek below I
>pondered the
>millions of raindrops falling, thinking of each as an annual ring in a
>tree, or
>the annual year of one's life, and the millions of lives growing,
>overlapping
>and vanishing in an instant.
>
>Marblers, take the time to think about time! Hopefully, it will slow you
>down
>to a pace more in step with the universe. Our trip last week also took us
>to
>the Grand Canyon. Talk about feeling small and humble and insignificant. At
>Chaco we thought about the vanished culture of 700 to a thousand years ago.
>At
>the Grand Canyon, a thousand years is a but a second compared to the 6
>million
>years it took rain and wind to gouge out the gorge, and that is but a
>second
>compared to the 1.2 billion years of rock laid out before your eyes. And
>the
>color! Should anything approaching it ever end up in my tank I will
>consider
>myself blessed.
>
>As a sorry aside, a ranger told me that the new Superintendent at Chaco
>Canyon National Historic Park is a politically appointed creationist, who
>maintains
>that all the rock at Chaco (which includes plentiful deposits of fossilized
>sea life) was formed at the Creation - 6,000 years ago!)
>
>But enough musing.
>
>I also want to tell everyone that our show, Rebirth of a Craft: Paper
>Marbling in New Mexico, opens on Friday, September 8 at the DW WIlliams Art
>Center at
>New Mexcio State University in Las Cruces. The show has traveled a fair
>amount this summer and was at Ghost Ranch, near Geogia OKeeffe's house, in
>June.
>Olaf and Barbara were able to see the show on their visit.
>
>Hope this finds you well, and happy marbling!
>
>tom
>
>-----------------
>Forwarded Message:
>Subj:Re: [Marbling] Digest Number 1141
>Date:9/3/2006 6:49:12 AM Mountain Standard Time
>From:Leech541
>To:notify-dg-Marbling@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>Thanks Jake!
>
>Indeed, a puddle in New Mexico is almost as rare as ice at the equator.
>After
>a long drought and scary fire season earlier this summer, in August we had
>more rain in New Mexico than anyone can remember. My basement (sometimes
>referred to as the Billy the Kid Memorial Dungeon) at the Palace Press
>flooded twice
>- once due to a broken city water main, but the second time from heavy
>rain.
>
>Last week my wife and I were camping at Chaco Canyon and were poured on
>during dinner one evening. All the other campers sought refuge in their
>tents, but
>Kathleen and I donned rain gear, toasted the heavens, and ate out in the
>rain.
>Later I figured out that everyone else was from out of state. For us, rain
>is
>still a gift. Reminds me of what I learned from Oz in Istanbul - that for
>some, an umbrella is an offence to Allah for the offering of rain.
>
>Perhaps the photo illustrates why I am so attracted to marbled concentric
>overlays. I would recommend to any marbler taking the time to watch
>raindrops on
>a lake (if you are lucky enough to have rain, that is!) Right now I flash
>back
>a few years to standing on a bridge in the rain next to the poet Tu Fu's
>cottage in Chengdu, China. In the creek below I pondered the millions of
>raindrops
>falling, thinking of each as an annual ring in a tree, or the annual year
>of
>one's life, and the millions of lives growing, overlapping and vanishing in
>an
>instant.
>
>Marblers, take the time to think about time! Hopefully, it will slow you
>down
>to a pace in step with the universe. Our trip last week also took us to the
>Grand Canyon. Talk about feeling small and humble and insignificant. At
>Chaco
>we thought about the vanished culture of 700 to a thousand years ago. At
>the
>Grand Canyon, a thousand years is a but a second compared to the 6 million
>years
>it took rain and wind to gouge out the gorge, and that is but a second
>compared to the 1.2 billion years of rock laid out before your eyes. And
>the color!
>Should anything approaching it ever end up in my tank I will consider
>myself
>blessed.
>
>As a sorry aside, a ranger told me that the new Superintendent at Chaco
>Canyon National Historic Park is a politically appointed creationist, who
>maintains
>that all the rock at Chaco (which includes plentiful deposits of fossilized
>sea life) was formed at the Creation - 6,000 years ago!)
>
>But enough musing.
>
>I also want to tell everyone that our show, Rebirth of a Craft: Paper
>Marbling in New Mexico opens on Friday, September 8 at the DW WIlliams Art
>Center at
>New Mexcio State University in Las Cruces. The exhibit features a true
>cross
>section of marbled works by Pam Smith, Polly Fox, Katherine Loeffler, Cove
>(john Coventry), Paul Maurer and myself. This show has traveled a fair
>amount this
>summer and was at Ghost Ranch, near Geogia OKeeffe's house, in June. Olaf
>and
>Barbara were able to see the show on their visit.
>
>Hope this finds you well, and happy marbling!
>
>tom
>
>
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>

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Greetings,

Is anyone in touch with Lucy LaPierre in Montreal?  Her old email at
the host videotron in Canada is no longer valid.  I cannot find her
listed as a member anymore, though she posted this past June.

Lucy if you are out there, please contact me!

Jake Benson

Hi Jake

   THat's strange.....I just got an email from Lucie Lapierre recently.......You
might want to try again......

   lucielapierre@...

   She has a website about her marbling work......
   http://pages.infinit.net/marbrure/a_index.html

   If all things fail, maybe you want to give her a call......

   Best, Robert Wu, Toronto

Jake Benson <jemiljan@...> wrote:
           Greetings,

Is anyone in touch with Lucy LaPierre in Montreal? Her old email at
the host videotron in Canada is no longer valid. I cannot find her
listed as a member anymore, though she posted this past June.

Lucy if you are out there, please contact me!

Jake Benson






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Not exactly marbling, but this is edible.

Coffee Art video
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?
vid=5cc41a33df474cf5092dc7ccca14a6fc.694089&cache=1&fr=fpman-8mi

John Ang

Silly me,  I was looking for Lucy and not LUCIE.  Thanks for the
clarification robert!

Jake

Well, John, these colors do float, and I think the pigments used are
all naturally occurring!

I've heard of a similar activity in Turkey, when drinking a cup of
SALEP.  Cinnamon is sprinkled over the top, and some told me that as
children, they would play with floating spice.

Any of our Turkish friends care to elaborate?  Traditional family
recipes?  Unfortunately much of what was commonly sold in powder form
was heavily adulterated with starch.

Here is a recipe:

http://superluminal.com/cookbook/beverages_sahlab.html

Salep, also called by the name Sahlap or Sahlab in other sountries in
the region, is a traditional marbling size.  Halfer knew of it, and
praised it highly in his chpater on various sizings, but commented
that it was too expensive, even back then.

The reason is that it is a kind of orchid root.  Over in England, you
have a kind that grows in the wild, and is called "Early purple
Orchid".  The Latin name is Orchis Mascula.  Try doing a google image
search and see pretty flowers.  I have tried to get it, cannot seem to
find live plants here in the US.

Jake

When I tried the link it says "no longer available"  (sigh).   Here's my
(blurry) contribution, a Seattle memory.   Mary

angchengsiew <angchengsiew@...> wrote:           Not exactly marbling, but
this is edible.

Coffee Art video
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?
vid=5cc41a33df474cf5092dc7ccca14a6fc.694089&cache=1&fr=fpman-8mi

John Ang






---------------------------------
Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com.  Check it out.

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Try this link, which I've reposted between brackets:
<http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=5cc41a33df474cf5092dc7ccca14a6fc.694089&c\
ache=1&fr=fpman-8mi>

Yahoo sometimes splits a long link into two halves.  Using brackets
can help preserve the link intact.  In fact, when I first saw it, only
the first part of the link was highlighted, the rest left out.  I had
to cut and paste the link into the browser to get it to work.

If it is still not working, check and see that "%20" was added to the
link when you pasted it.  That means that a space was captured when
you copied it, but it then is translated to that cbut of code when it
is pasted.  Eliminating that should should allow it to work.

I know this is confusing and convoluted but you might like to see the
result.  In general, posting links in brackets is a good idea, but
let's see if I can remember to do it from now on!

Jake

ESTEEMED MEMBERS,

I WAITED FOR THE FOLLOWING EVENT  TO BE ANNOUNCED  BY THE  ORGANIZERS,

BUT ALAS !!!!


SEPTEMBER 7-14      Ebru  days at the CRR exhibition place in Istanbul

13 artists participating

100 works will be displayed

5 artists will present papers  on the panel


workshops  at Hikmet's and Yilmaz Enes  (actually  today !!!!)



Frankly  speaking,I would be very disillusioned
if it turns out that some members are participating in this event....



UNLESS OF  COURSE  IT IS A CLOSED CIRCUIT GATHERING


WOULD TURKISH MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP,

PLEASE INFORM OVERSEAS MARBLING COMMUNITY

ABOUT THE LOCAL  EBRU EVENTS  ON THE NET ?

cordially
EBRU-PA   (ebru Paper Arts)


ps.leaving for Xinjiang  in a day or so,

to meet Ms.Elaine Koretsky ...

and  to see the results of  2002 MARBLASIA  EXHIBITION









----- Original Message -----
From: Ebristan
To: uygur13
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:06 PM
Subject: Ebru Gunleri


EBRU GÜNLERİ 2006

BAŞLIYOR



Klasikten moderne, zanaatten sanata, bütün yönleriyle ebru sanatı tekrar masaya
yatırılıyor. Cemal Reşit Rey Konser Salonunda 13 ebru ustasının katılımıyla
gerçekleştirilecek olan "Ebru Günleri 2006" 7 gün sürecek olan 100 eserlik karma
bir sergi, 5 sanatçının tebliğlerini sunacağı bir panel ve Hikmet Barutcugil ile
Yılmaz Eneş atölyelerinde yapılacak olan Atölye Buluşmalarını kapsıyor.



Sergi Süresi: 7 - 14 Eylül 2006

Sergi Açılışı: 7 Eylül Perşembe Saat: 19.00

Panel: 9 Eylül Cumartesi Saat:10.00

Atölye Buluşmaları: 10 Eylül Pazar



İletişim:

Eray Atay

0532 683 25 80

0212 235 32 34


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Please send notification of any marbling or related event!!!
The deadline for this is TOMORROW September 15th!!!!
Do you know of any workshops? demonstrations? exhibits? lectures?
LET US KNOW!

A common schedule on the web is very effective
It will help YOU promote YOUR event!!
There is no cost, you do not need to be a member.
It can be located ANYWHERE in the world!!!
More people will see your listing and attend your event!

This feature is easily found by the public while searching Google.
We are always in the top 5, if not top 2 sites listed.
Many of you feature your events on your own web sites.
Simply take a minute to forward them to us when you update your site.

They are compiled by Events coordaintor, Mary Shilman.
Then forwarded to our web master Dorothy LaFara.
They volunteer their time to provide this service to you.
The dealine is the 15th of each month.
They are posted by the end of the month.

PLEASE follow these very easy and simple submission guidelines:

http://marbling.org/information_for_site.htm

and send your event in this format in an email to Mary Shilman,

events@...

THANKS!!

Jake Benson, Society of Marbling.

www.marbling.org

Hello everybody:

I'm a marbler from Spain. I've been looking at this forum for more
than a year and I want to thank all of you. I have learned more with
your mails than with all the information I could get here.
Congratulations for your open minded treatment of marbling. Thank you
for give all your receips just for free, only to the more honour of
marbling. I promise I'll do the same on this side of the world.

Today is my second year as professional. This summer I made three
courses in Madrid and Alicante, and my very best impression was the
smiles of the people when they got their answers solves. On this
occasions I remember this group.

I give you a link of this

http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Marmolados/index.htm

Thank you all.
Antonio Velez

Lucie Lapierre wanted to pass along that this online exhibition

"Montréal en reliures et papiers décorés."

It celebrates Montreal as a "worldwide city of the book" as named by
UNESCO.

The main site "l'Association des Relieurs du Québec"

<http://www.bibliopolis.net/arq/>

The main page for this exhibition:

<http://www.bibliopolis.net/arq/galerie/index.html>

video of the inauguration:

<http://www.bibliopolis.net/arq/galerie/mr06_video.html>

and finally, the page featuring decorative and hand marbled papers

<http://www.bibliopolis.net/arq/galerie/mr06_salle3.html>

a CD of the exhibition is also avilable.

Please contact arq@... for more information.

Thanks Antonio,

I like the image of he woman who accidnetally marbled her glasses, as
this has happened to me as well...

Can you tell us anything more about the edge gilding workshop featured
on this same site?  these are also very nice images to look at.

Do you by chance know Montse Buxo up in Barcelona?

Thanks for writing.

Jake Benson

<http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Cortes/>

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "avcelemin" <ANVECE@...> wrote:
>
> I give you a link of this
>
> http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Marmolados/index.htm
>
> Thank you all.
> Antonio Velez
>

Sorry, here is the link featuring edge gilding:

<http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Cortes/>

Jake

Hi Jake-

I have Montse's postal address, or at least an old postal address of her's, but
when I wrote
I didn't get an answer. From what I've seen (thanks, Joan!) she is very
innovative and good.

Contact me privately if you wish.

Susanne Krause

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Benson" <jemiljan@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Antonio,
>
> I like the image of he woman who accidnetally marbled her glasses, as
> this has happened to me as well...
>
> Can you tell us anything more about the edge gilding workshop featured
> on this same site?  these are also very nice images to look at.
>
> Do you by chance know Montse Buxo up in Barcelona?
>
> Thanks for writing.
>
> Jake Benson
>
> <http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Cortes/>
>
> --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "avcelemin" <ANVECE@> wrote:
> >
> > I give you a link of this
> >
> > http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Marmolados/index.htm
> >
> > Thank you all.
> > Antonio Velez
> >
>

--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "Jake Benson" <jemiljan@...> wrote:
>
Yes, Jake, I have the adress of Montse, she opened to me the firsts
doors of marbling, it is as follows:

Montse Buxo
Santa Agata, 16
Barcelona 08012
Spain

I don´t know her e-mail, if she has one.

Also I can give you another adress of the only spanish web of marbling
I know:
http://www.alagua.com/

The main site of my previous link is
http://www.encarte.org/llar/generalCursos.php
is a very good site of Bookbinding, but in spanish.
You have to wait a seconds to get automatically the main page.

Thanks for your interest.
Antonio





> Thanks Antonio,
>
> I like the image of he woman who accidnetally marbled her glasses, as
> this has happened to me as well...
>
> Can you tell us anything more about the edge gilding workshop featured
> on this same site?  these are also very nice images to look at.
>
> Do you by chance know Montse Buxo up in Barcelona?
>
> Thanks for writing.
>
> Jake Benson
>
> <http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Cortes/>
>
> --- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "avcelemin" <ANVECE@> wrote:
> >
> > I give you a link of this
> >
> > http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Marmolados/index.htm
> >
> > Thank you all.
> > Antonio Velez
> >
>

That was fun to "attend" one of your classes via photographs! Thanks for
the link, Antonio.

Lavinia

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:43:34 -0000 "avcelemin" <ANVECE@...> writes:
> Hello everybody:
>
> I'm a marbler from Spain. I've been looking at this forum for more
> than a year and I want to thank all of you. I have learned more with
> your mails than with all the information I could get here.
> Congratulations for your open minded treatment of marbling. Thank
> you
> for give all your receips just for free, only to the more honour of
> marbling. I promise I'll do the same on this side of the world.
>
> Today is my second year as professional. This summer I made three
> courses in Madrid and Alicante, and my very best impression was the
> smiles of the people when they got their answers solves. On this
> occasions I remember this group.
>
> I give you a link of this
>
> http://www.encarte.org/llar/Albunes/Curso_Marmolados/index.htm
>
> Thank you all.
> Antonio Velez

Joan, I hope you see this. I just sent you an email that bounced. Perhaps
your address has changed since I last wrote?

Lavinia

Greetings,
I've posted an album with two marbled images of mine that have
been made into 8 ft. vinyl mesh window banners for City Hall,
Aurora, Illinois.  They will hang in the windows for one year.
Interestingly, the original images were marbled on paper many
years ago, and are quite small (Autumn Leaves: 8 inches high,
and Wind Song, 10 inches high). What I've posted are the
images as seen in the actual windows after installation.
Passers by think they are viewing folded fabric.  The banners
were produced from a PhotoShop file, sent to the printing
company on a CD after being adjusted to their digital press
specifications: the size of each window.  Considering I haven't
marbled in a tray for over two years other than a few public
demonstrations, this was a great project to be involved in. Think
of computer technology as a creative tool. Scan and save your
favorite marbled images.  One never knows where they will end
up (or hang up in this instance)!
Milena

They're wonderful, Milena! And they certainly would fool most people into
thinking they were looking at draped fabric.

Lavinia

Great Milena!
iris nevins
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: mpmh60201<mailto:milena@...>
   To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:00 PM
   Subject: [Marbling] Aurora Window Banners


   Greetings,
   I've posted an album with two marbled images of mine that have
   been made into 8 ft. vinyl mesh window banners for City Hall,
   Aurora, Illinois.  They will hang in the windows for one year.
   Interestingly, the original images were marbled on paper many
   years ago, and are quite small (Autumn Leaves: 8 inches high,
   and Wind Song, 10 inches high). What I've posted are the
   images as seen in the actual windows after installation.
   Passers by think they are viewing folded fabric.  The banners
   were produced from a PhotoShop file, sent to the printing
   company on a CD after being adjusted to their digital press
   specifications: the size of each window.  Considering I haven't
   marbled in a tray for over two years other than a few public
   demonstrations, this was a great project to be involved in. Think
   of computer technology as a creative tool. Scan and save your
   favorite marbled images.  One never knows where they will end
   up (or hang up in this instance)!
   Milena






   Yahoo! Groups Links











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Dear fellow marblers, Can anyone tell me where I can buy the drop
bottles with a curved tubular spout, as pictured in Einen Miura's
fantastic book "The Art of Marbled Paper" p.32 Illustration 13. (or
let me know Einen's email address for a personal enquiry).  I am
trying to find a way to apply drops fast and accurately as shown in
Illustration 14, and have tried using a stylus, plastic pipette, eye
dropper and regular drop bottles, with mixed success.  Mimi and Patty
Schleicher's video "Experience the Magic of Marbling" shows Mimi using
the same drop bottle with a curved spout.

I have only recently tried applying paint in concentric circles, as
used in much Turkish and Spanish marbling, and when combined with
regular whisks for tiny drops of paint this technique has cleaned up
many of my problems in marbling, creating a much more distinct and
vivid image, with cleaner lines.  The old overdrawn, greyish muddy
look caused by overcombing and lines too finely drawn has at last been
largely overcome.  Just one more technique to add to others in a
never-ending search for good reliable marbling.  As Peter Sellers used
to whine "So much to do, so little time" . . . .

Happy marbling,  Joan

Great to see this list has resumed its wonderful exchange of ideas
after the annual summer dearth of interesting postings.

Another option would be the squirt bottles from Colophon Books. You can cut
the hole to any size. I have very good luck with them.

Susanne


>From: "sixshort" <joan@...>
>Reply-To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
>To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Marbling] drop bottles etc.
>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:09:45 -0000
>
>Dear fellow marblers, Can anyone tell me where I can buy the drop
>bottles with a curved tubular spout, as pictured in Einen Miura's
>fantastic book "The Art of Marbled Paper" p.32 Illustration 13. (or
>let me know Einen's email address for a personal enquiry).  I am
>trying to find a way to apply drops fast and accurately as shown in
>Illustration 14, and have tried using a stylus, plastic pipette, eye
>dropper and regular drop bottles, with mixed success.  Mimi and Patty
>Schleicher's video "Experience the Magic of Marbling" shows Mimi using
>the same drop bottle with a curved spout.
>
>I have only recently tried applying paint in concentric circles, as
>used in much Turkish and Spanish marbling, and when combined with
>regular whisks for tiny drops of paint this technique has cleaned up
>many of my problems in marbling, creating a much more distinct and
>vivid image, with cleaner lines.  The old overdrawn, greyish muddy
>look caused by overcombing and lines too finely drawn has at last been
>largely overcome.  Just one more technique to add to others in a
>never-ending search for good reliable marbling.  As Peter Sellers used
>to whine "So much to do, so little time" . . . .
>
>Happy marbling,  Joan
>
>Great to see this list has resumed its wonderful exchange of ideas
>after the annual summer dearth of interesting postings.
>
>
>