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#3514 From: Lavinia Adler <laviniaa@...>
Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: NYPL digital collection 		onemarbler
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I'd really llike to see that beautiful example of marbling, but haven't
time to go through all the books. Do you remember which title it was in?

Lavinia

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:05:56 -0000 "katherine coddington"
<kcoddington@...> writes:

> there is one Tiger's eye that is amazing (should be called God's
> eye).
>  The specific link for that one is too complicated to post here, but
> go to the main page:
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http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=ar
ts

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#3515 From: paulhenrydesign@...
Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: NYPL digital collection 		paulhenry7499
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try this link

  it's long but....


_http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=\
339175&imageID=491530&parent_id=244729&word=&snum=&s=¬word=&d=&c=&f=&sSc
ope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&total=7&num=0&imgs=12&pNum=&pos=1_
(http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=\
339175&imageID=49153
0&parent_id=244729&word=&snum=&s=¬word=&d=&c=&f=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&to
tal=7&num=0&imgs=12&pNum=&pos=1)


paul

www.paulhenrydesign.com


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#3516 From: katherine coddington <kcoddington@...>
Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: NYPL digital collection 		kncoddington
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The Tiger's Eye piece is item 64, on the 6th page of thumbnails.  The links seem
to get chopped up by Yahoo so if you cut and paste the whole thing they might
work.

   There are many others worth seeing if you have the time.  William Augustus
Spencer was an American book collector who lived in Paris and seemed to have
commissioned a number of beautiful bindings while he was there.  He especially
supported a binder by the name of Jean Stroobants, who used the most amazing
marbled paper in his binding.  If you search that him in the "names" you will
see what I mean.  He does not seem to have done the Tiger's Eye marbling, but as
his leather bindings are very plain (compared to a number of the French
bindings) and it is the marbling that is spectacular, I wonder if he was the
marbler as well.

   Katherine


Lavinia Adler <laviniaa@...> wrote:
   I'd really llike to see that beautiful example of marbling, but haven't
time to go through all the books. Do you remember which title it was in?

Lavinia

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:05:56 -0000 "katherine coddington"
<kcoddington@...> writes:

> there is one Tiger's eye that is amazing (should be called God's
> eye).
>  The specific link for that one is too complicated to post here, but
> go to the main page:
>
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=ar
ts



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#3517 From: Lavinia Adler <laviniaa@...>
Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:32 pm
Subject: Re: NYPL digital collection 		onemarbler
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Thanks! It worked... and what a wonderful marbled design it is.

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:17:51 EST paulhenrydesign@... writes:
> try this link
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_http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&s
trucID=339175&imageID=491530&parent_id=244729&word=&snum=&s=¬word=&d=&
c=&f=&sSc
> ope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&total=7&num=0&imgs=12&pNum=&pos=1_
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trucID=339175&imageID=49153
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0&parent_id=244729&word=&snum=&s=¬word=&d=&c=&f=&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabe
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#3518 From: "johnsorge" <jlsorge@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:47 pm
Subject: appeal for help 		johnsorge
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I have put on many miles on my car.  I have spent many hours going to
all sorts of stores, from Michaels to Hobby Lobby to Texas Art
Supply.  I have done many searches on the internet.

I need 11" x 14" x 2 to 3" plastic tray for marbling.

I live near Houston.

Does anyone know where I can buy these plastic trays?

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#3519 From: "Technotabby" <technotabby@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: appeal for help 		technotabby
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US Plastics carries a variety of trays that you might be able to use. You can
order from their website at
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%\
5Fname=97&Page=1&MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464F1E114D643EBF9E366B\
4A21AA6E15E9589D3D287A3F018A18FA81AB65B721C234070C41F90E625D923CC32AA4AF2650BDE5\
7337C79D09650AE6EE598F3D09E5CE960F45FCF3E2E5009EC01415A71A2EB0733AEB150FB11196B6\
5B87530D71A943A3AF573C3EBCFBD905351AF6F28F7FA3DFD77BBE65E60FA

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   To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:47 AM
   Subject: [Marbling] appeal for help


   I have put on many miles on my car.  I have spent many hours going to
   all sorts of stores, from Michaels to Hobby Lobby to Texas Art
   Supply.  I have done many searches on the internet.

   I need 11" x 14" x 2 to 3" plastic tray for marbling.

   I live near Houston.

   Does anyone know where I can buy these plastic trays?


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#3520 From: "Guffey" <dguff@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:52 pm
Subject: Marbling Tray 		dguffus
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Hi..

I use a photo developing tray...they come in all sizes (mine is 16" x 20")
and as I recall not too terribly expensive, although I did buy it more than
20 years ago!  Check camera stores that sell photo developing supplies.

d. guffey


----- Original Message -----
From: "Technotabby" <technotabby@...>
To: <Marbling@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [Marbling] appeal for help


> US Plastics carries a variety of trays that you might be able to use. You
> can order from their website at
>
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%\
5Fname=97&Page=1&MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464F1E114D643EBF9E366B\
4A21AA6E15E9589D3D287A3F018A18FA81AB65B721C234070C41F90E625D923CC32AA4AF2650BDE5\
7337C79D09650AE6EE598F3D09E5CE960F45FCF3E2E5009EC01415A71A2EB0733AEB150FB11196B6\
5B87530D71A943A3AF573C3EBCFBD905351AF6F28F7FA3DFD77BBE65E60FA
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>  Supply.  I have done many searches on the internet.
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>  I need 11" x 14" x 2 to 3" plastic tray for marbling.
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#3521 From: "Technotabby" <technotabby@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: appeal for help 		technotabby
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Huh... that link takes you to VH1. Weird.

Anyway, just go to www.usplastic.com, click on "totes, tray, and bins" in the
left column, then click on the picture of a tray. There is a large variety
available.

-Lorraine


   ----- Original Message -----
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   To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:32 AM
   Subject: Re: [Marbling] appeal for help


   US Plastics carries a variety of trays that you might be able to use. You can
order from their website at
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%\
5Fname=97&Page=1&MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464F1E114D643EBF9E366B\
4A21AA6E15E9589D3D287A3F018A18FA81AB65B721C234070C41F90E625D923CC32AA4AF2650BDE5\
7337C79D09650AE6EE598F3D09E5CE960F45FCF3E2E5009EC01415A71A2EB0733AEB150FB11196B6\
5B87530D71A943A3AF573C3EBCFBD905351AF6F28F7FA3DFD77BBE65E60FA

     ----- Original Message -----
     From: johnsorge
     To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:47 AM
     Subject: [Marbling] appeal for help


     I have put on many miles on my car.  I have spent many hours going to
     all sorts of stores, from Michaels to Hobby Lobby to Texas Art
     Supply.  I have done many searches on the internet.

     I need 11" x 14" x 2 to 3" plastic tray for marbling.

     I live near Houston.

     Does anyone know where I can buy these plastic trays?


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#3522 From: Gail MacKenzie <gailmackenzi@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:47 pm
Subject: Re: appeal for help 		gail95585
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> I have put on many miles on my car.  I have spent many hours going to
> all sorts of stores, from Michaels to Hobby Lobby to Texas Art
> Supply.  I have done many searches on the internet.
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> I need 11" x 14" x 2 to 3" plastic tray for marbling.
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> Does anyone know where I can buy these plastic trays?
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Hi!  Try a restaurant supply store and ask for busboy trays....or maybe,
aluminum sheet cake baking pans.  Then, you can always make one out of wood,
plumbers pipe strapping and line it with plastic!


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#3523 From: "John Goode" <watermarktile@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:59 pm
Subject: Re: appeal for help 		jbg78734
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Try Colophon Book Arts Supply and support an institution and you will be
able to pick up other needed items and save all those miles by letting ups
do it for you.
Peace John Goode


On 3/22/06, Technotabby <technotabby@...> wrote:
>
> US Plastics carries a variety of trays that you might be able to use. You
> can order from their website at
>
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%\
5Fname=97&Page=1&MSCSProfile=95385A1F52DEA1A229D5B37542054464F1E114D643EBF9E366B\
4A21AA6E15E9589D3D287A3F018A18FA81AB65B721C234070C41F90E625D923CC32AA4AF2650BDE5\
7337C79D09650AE6EE598F3D09E5CE960F45FCF3E2E5009EC01415A71A2EB0733AEB150FB11196B6\
5B87530D71A943A3AF573C3EBCFBD905351AF6F28F7FA3DFD77BBE65E60FA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnsorge
> To: Marbling@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:47 AM
> Subject: [Marbling] appeal for help
>
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> I have put on many miles on my car.  I have spent many hours going to
> all sorts of stores, from Michaels to Hobby Lobby to Texas Art
> Supply.  I have done many searches on the internet.
>
> I need 11" x 14" x 2 to 3" plastic tray for marbling.
>
> I live near Houston.
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy these plastic trays?
>
>
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#3524 From: Carole Floate <cfloate@...>
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: appeal for help 		cfloate
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Try photographic supply, darkroom tray.

Gail MacKenzie <gailmackenzi@...> wrote:  > I have put on many miles on my
car.  I have spent many hours going to
> all sorts of stores, from Michaels to Hobby Lobby to Texas Art
> Supply.  I have done many searches on the internet.
>
> I need 11" x 14" x 2 to 3" plastic tray for marbling.
>
> I live near Houston.
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy these plastic trays?
>
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Hi!  Try a restaurant supply store and ask for busboy trays....or maybe,
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plumbers pipe strapping and line it with plastic!


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#3525 From: carylhanc@...
Date: Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: appeal for help 		carylhanc@...
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Hi!
  Try a store that sells photographic equipment - especially look for one that
sells used   darkroom equipment.   Most photographers are no longer
processing in darkrooms and these trays can be had for pennies on the dollar!  
I have
11x14's, 16x20's, a 24x30, and a 40x40!   The last one cost me about $20, I
think!

Surely there is such a store in Houston.   If all else fails, try Jack's
Camera Store in Muncie, Indiana, or the Columbus Camera Group in Columbus, Ohio.
HTH, and good luck!   Let me know what you find!
Caryl Hancock


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#3526 From: "hamburgerbuntpapier_de" <studio@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:08 am
Subject: Trays 		hamburgerbun...
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There once was a time when I felt I should marble as well as making the direct
patterns... I
did not like photo developing trays, much too wobbly to my taste. Asked my local
butcher
(and me being a vegetarian since the seventies! That's what I call commitment)
for the
normed trays that are used for transporting meat from the slaughterhouse to the
shops.
Was sent to the slaughterhouse for brand new ones, worked just fine and is much
cheaper
than photo developing trays.
The only drawback is size, there are no really big ones. I persuaded a small
firm that's
making air condition systems for hotels, restaurants and hospitals to teach
their youngest
apprentice to solder by having him make a marbling tray for me, complete with
one wall
slightly slanting and an extra tray for the surplus pains. Pure luxury, and I
payed only for
the metal sheeting.

Susanne Krause

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#3527 From: "Pat K. Thomas" <pktlivingstones@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:49 am
Subject: Marbling tray 		kaytpatrick
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An inexpensive tray is in the framing department of A.C. Moore or
Hobby Lobby-type stores.  Look for clear acrylic box frames.  They
come in standard framing sizes, 8X10, 11X14, 16X20 but are under 2"
deep.  These are perfect for marbling-- light-weight, ready-made &
inexpensive.

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#3528 From: "sixshort" <joan@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: NYPL digital collection 		sixshort
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Hi Katherine, Thanks for a very interesting collection of late 19th
and early 20thC bindings and endpapers.  It takes forever to go
through all the examples.  If anyone wants to see a few excellent
examples, I have noted "Les Chevalier des Touches" (Tiger Eye); "Au
Petit bonheur - comedie en un acte" (Figure 8 across a non pareil
pattern);  "Estampes at livres"; "Francesco Cenci e la sua famiglia"-
  (which shows a number of different styles of marbling in the
endpapers).

There are several beautiful examples of oil marbling as well as the
above combed patterns,( "Flingot") and some gorgeous stylus patterns
with added Spanish laying of the paper (Histoire de mes Betes).

If anyone has the time, it is worth looking at all the examples.
Happy computering,  Joan Ajala


"F--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "katherine coddington"
<kcoddington@...> wrote:
>
> Being in Canada, I don't check out all the US sites, but a friend
just
> sent me a link to the New York Public Library Digital Collection
and
> suggested that the bindings in the Spencer Collection were
> interesting.  There are some marbled papers that are just
beautiful --
> there is one Tiger's eye that is amazing (should be called God's
eye).
>  The specific link for that one is too complicated to post here,
but
> go to the main page:
> http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?
topic=arts
>
> Scroll down to the "French 19th-Century Bindings in the Collection
of
> William A. Spencer" about half-way down the page: it is definately
> worth the browse.
>

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#3529 From: "Jake Benson" <handbindery@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: NYPL digital collection 		jemiljan
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Thanks for sharing that information about the NYPL web site.  The Spencer
collection at
NYPL is home to some very interesting and unique works of marbling.  Last summer
I was
able to visit and see a small two small Japanese manuscripts that were made with
suminagashi paper.  The first was Jap MS 1-48-1, a copy of Shokubutsu ze-no-doku
(Pictures of Plants). c. 1700.  (neglected to note the pagination, binding
stucture- I believe
it is a pamphlet wrapper).  It is described as "an herbal for the care of man or
beast".  The
outer paper wrapper of the book was an example of suminagashi that was applied
over a
piece of kumogami or "cloud paper".   This is a kind of decorative paper made
during the
paper-making process.  Basically, Indigo blue pulp fibers are poured in and
produce soft
mottled bands of blue within the sheet.  Kumogami was often used for tanzaku by
poets.

The way the marbling was applied was juxtaposed to the pattern of kumogami-a
band of
blue in the kumogami.  The distance and juxtaposition of  arcs within the
suminagashi
pattern and the kumogami banding effectively rendered the aesthetic sense of a
kind of
abstract landscape. Or better yet, perhaps a "seascape" of ocean waves and
clouds.  I have
never seen suminagashi combined with kumogami before, so this was very
intriguing to
me and visually quite stunning.

the second item was a Japanese booklet decorated with suminagashi.  The item
number
for this book is JAP 88-1 (may also be 1-88-1).  It is a copy of Kindai Shuka,
which is
described as "an ancient anthology".

It is a kind of two-section style of binding.  I looked up the style in the book
by Kojiro
Ikegami, but I didn't see anything exactly like it.  It is similar to the ledger
or receipt book;
only two sections are sewn together, through the folds, instead of just one. 
They are sewn
at four sewing holes, and I think the thread makes a “figure eight†pattern
through both of
the sections.  In through the top, out the hole to the bottom, out the hole,
back to the top,
turn around at the end, and so on.  After asking japanese book conservator
Kiyoshi imai
about the specific style of binding, he replied that it might possibly have been
something
of a "one-off' booklet that was made after the scholar who wrote took their
notes.

The outer folios of both of the sections were wrapped with 2 laminated
suminagashi
papers.  Hence the pattern on the front cover did not match the back of the
cover, nor
were they conjoined.  The pattern seen on the first section was composed of a
more
traditional suminagashi pattern over a paper that had been printed in an
abstract pattern
using silver colored pigment (possibly tin?  It was not tarnished like silver
and looked very
dull)

The pattern on the back cover was very unusual variation of a more common
pattern.  It
was of a long narrow horizontal oval of concentric blue and black rings.  Only
in this case
the outermost band was stylized in a manner reminiscent to combing seem in
Islamic and
Western forms of marbling.  The hair was used to tool only in a short depth- to
the next
band, and that was all.  This was repeated around the entire circumference of
the oval.
After observing the pattern I theorize that the marbler may have used a single
(horse?) hair
to accomplish this.  So I will have to try out my theory and see if I can
reproduce the
pattern.

As a result of the way that the pattern was applied to the paper, and then the
way that the
paper was used in the binding, you only see half of the oval as a result on the
back cover.
The application had a very unusual aesthetic about it, unlike other examples of
suminagashi I have seen applied in books and manuscripts.

There is more to write about what is in the Spencer collection, but I have to
stop here for
now.  Unfortunately these images are not featured on the NYPL web site.  There
is also a
collection of decorated papers that I had no time to go through.  Has anyone
else on this
list possibly taken the time to rummage through those boxes NYPL?  Care to share
with us
what you saw?

Jake Benson

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#3530 From: "Jake Benson" <handbindery@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:25 pm
Subject: Re: NYPL digital collection 		jemiljan
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Here's a link to an image of what is called kumogami in japanese- "cloud paper"
used for a
calligraphy scroll:

http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~taniguti/D-043b.htm

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#3531 From: "Jake Benson" <handbindery@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:05 pm
Subject: Indian Marbling at Christies 		jemiljan
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If you happen to have a lot of money to burn collecting historic marbling, you
might be
interested in this piece.  While rather basic hafif marbling, it is underneath
the text, so
therefore certainly contemporary to the border.  The painted border is a
wonderful
example of how the Mughal painters employed greater realism and persepctive,
establishing their own distinct tradition.  It is fine enough work, and clearly
and expensive
and mbitious undertaking to produce.  Hence it is probably Imperial work, or
very good
sub-imperial work, say from the atelier patronized by Akbar's commander in Cheif
Abdur
Rahim Khan Khanan.  It is a wonderul example of how the painters employed
marbling in
manuscript production.

But who made the marbling?  We don't really know at this time.  Were they
ethnically
Turks?  Persians?  Or possibly even Hindus?  All worked together in India.....

You may need to copy and paste this very long link in your browser bar to get
the image to
come up.

<http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/LotDetail.asp?
sid=80765&intObjectID=4685093&SE=CMWCAT04+8573+%2D2112344249+&QR=M+1
+0+Aqc0000900+7324++Aqc0000900+&entry=marbled+paper&T=Lot&Ti=&P=&SR=All
&MF=03&DF=018&YF=2006&MT=&DT=&SU=0&RQ=False&AN=1>

Here is the detail image:

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/search/alt_images.asp?lObjectID=4685093

See it now before they remove it from the web!

Jake Benson

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#3532 From: "ebrucu33" <ebrucu33@...>
Date: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: collector's items 		ebrucu33
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Hi Yehuda,

A good one from Düzgünman is sold 3000 -5000 usd in istanbul.
and  his standart marblings are sold between 200 -1000 usd.

And it is difficult to find  them.But They will be a more valuable
investment.

Best regards

Ahmet Saral


--- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "yehudamiklaf" <fritzmiklaf@...>
wrote:
>
> Papers by Mustafa Duzgunman and Christopher Weimann must now be
> collector's items. Any idea how much they cost these days?
>
> Yehuda Miklaf
>

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#3533 From: "johnsorge" <jlsorge@...>
Date: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:42 am
Subject: How to make your own combs 		johnsorge
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I solved my lack of trays.  Now on to the the next hurdle.  Does
anyone out there make their own combs/rakes?  If so, how did you do it
and specifically, how do you make the tines or teeth a perfect 90
degree angle to the wood part?

I don't want to reinvent the wheel, therefore I am tapping the most
knowledgeable persons for their expertise.

I am very grateful for any help I receive.


Yours,
John Sorge

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#3534 From: "sixshort" <joan@...>
Date: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: How to make your own combs 		sixshort
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Hi John,  There must be as many ways to make combs as there are
marblers, including portable combs made from flyscreen wire which
can be rolled up for easy packing, combs attached to wooden rods
with velcro, and combs made from everyday materials such as
corrugated cardboard and packets of pins. And then there is the
basic whack a few nails into a piece of timber variety. If other
marblers are like me, they spend their spare moments or sleepless
night figuring out better ways . . . . .
Get a few books from your library for a start to get a variety of
ideas both simple and complex.

For myself, I have found the best and most reliable combs are made
from two pieces of approx 1/4" thick balsa wood.  I carefully glue
the pins along the edge of one piece, pushing the heads into the
soft wood so that the pins lie flat.  Then, using drip-free contact
glue I put glue on both pieces of balsa and when dry press them
together. This is a long process, but at least in the end I have a
light reliable comb.  For added strength I sometimes finish by
painting the comb with the resin used to make fibreglass surfboards
etc.  This penetrates the balsa wood and makes it rock hard. They
are light enough to hang from a piece of string on a coat rack or
somesuch for easy storage.

For bouquet combs I use 5/8" thick balsa woodg and push plastic hair
curling pins or metal floral pins through.  They tend to wobble a
bit, and often have to be stabilised with blu-tak.

There is not much high tech involved in making combs, just lots and
lots of time and patience if you want good reliable ones.

Best of British luck.   Joan

-- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "johnsorge" <jlsorge@...> wrote:
>
> I solved my lack of trays.  Now on to the the next hurdle.  Does
> anyone out there make their own combs/rakes?  If so, how did you
do it
> and specifically, how do you make the tines or teeth a perfect 90
> degree angle to the wood part?
>
> I don't want to reinvent the wheel, therefore I am tapping the
most
> knowledgeable persons for their expertise.
>
> I am very grateful for any help I receive.
>
>
> Yours,
> John Sorge
>

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#3535 From: "Guffey" <dguff@...>
Date: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: How to make your own combs 		dguffus
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Hi All,

The suggestions (below) from Joan are all wonderful, and I've used most of
them.  In 1984 I had the privilege of meeting Sidney Cockerell at his studio
outside of Cambridge, England.  I was a novice marbler at that time
(remember, this was before all the "how-to" books on marbling became
available), and very anxious to see how the different patterns could be
obtained.  After escorting me around his studio (one of his assistants was
actually doing the French Bouquet, and that was the first time I saw the
double tooth bouquet comb) I asked him where one could purchase marbling
tools, especially the combs.  He replied "my dear, marblers always make
their own."

That being said, you can purchase combs from Colophon and from Galen
Berry...but it really is quite easy to make your own.  One of the first
combs I made I used a wooden yard stick as the base so that I had exact
spacing to place needles.  I made a little grove every 1/4" (or whatever
spacing you want) and laid a needle there.  After they were all lined up I
put a layer of PVA to hold them, let dry, and 3 or 4 more layers of PVA to
make sure they really were stable and also, the PVA makes the wooden yard
stick waterproof.  All these years later I'm still using that comb.

In a workshop I took from Don Guyot we used rakes he had made from plastic
hair picks...the type you used to use to hold rollers in your hair (think
back to the 1960's).  The only problem there is finding them.  Do they still
make those perforated rollers that needed the picks to hold them?

Have fun making your own.  You can make them just the right size for your
tray, and you can make them any spacing you like.

d. guffey



> Hi John,  There must be as many ways to make combs as there are
> marblers, including portable combs made from flyscreen wire which
> can be rolled up for easy packing, combs attached to wooden rods
> with velcro, and combs made from everyday materials such as
> corrugated cardboard and packets of pins. And then there is the
> basic whack a few nails into a piece of timber variety. If other
> marblers are like me, they spend their spare moments or sleepless
> night figuring out better ways . . . . .
> Get a few books from your library for a start to get a variety of
> ideas both simple and complex.
>
> For myself, I have found the best and most reliable combs are made
> from two pieces of approx 1/4" thick balsa wood.  I carefully glue
> the pins along the edge of one piece, pushing the heads into the
> soft wood so that the pins lie flat.  Then, using drip-free contact
> glue I put glue on both pieces of balsa and when dry press them
> together. This is a long process, but at least in the end I have a
> light reliable comb.  For added strength I sometimes finish by
> painting the comb with the resin used to make fibreglass surfboards
> etc.  This penetrates the balsa wood and makes it rock hard. They
> are light enough to hang from a piece of string on a coat rack or
> somesuch for easy storage.
>
> For bouquet combs I use 5/8" thick balsa woodg and push plastic hair
> curling pins or metal floral pins through.  They tend to wobble a
> bit, and often have to be stabilised with blu-tak.
>
> There is not much high tech involved in making combs, just lots and
> lots of time and patience if you want good reliable ones.
>
> Best of British luck.   Joan
>
> -- In Marbling@yahoogroups.com, "johnsorge" <jlsorge@...> wrote:
>>
>> I solved my lack of trays.  Now on to the the next hurdle.  Does
>> anyone out there make their own combs/rakes?  If so, how did you
> do it
>> and specifically, how do you make the tines or teeth a perfect 90
>> degree angle to the wood part?
>>
>> I don't want to reinvent the wheel, therefore I am tapping the
> most
>> knowledgeable persons for their expertise.
>>
>> I am very grateful for any help I receive.
>>
>>
>> Yours,
>> John Sorge
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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#3536 From: "feliciamccann" <feliciamccann@...>
Date: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:11 am
Subject: Plastic pins for brusj curlers--marbling 		feliciamccann
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Hello,
I found them in dime store/variety stores in the hair products section
and/or at beauty shop suppliers, by the way they are still being used
in beauty shops with brush rollers. Also, my husband made me several
combs, one of the larger ones was made with small 1/4 inch dowels,
sharpened in a pencil sharpener and put thru a 1/4 inch pegboard and
glued.

From the lurker... first post.
Felicia Forder

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#3537 From: "feliciamccann" <feliciamccann@...>
Date: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:12 am
Subject: Plastic pins for brush curlers--marbling 		feliciamccann
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Hello,
I found them in dime store/variety stores in the hair products section
and/or at beauty shop suppliers, by the way they are still being used
in beauty shops with brush rollers. Also, my husband made me several
combs, one of the larger ones was made with small 1/4 inch dowels,
sharpened in a pencil sharpener and put thru a 1/4 inch pegboard and
glued.

From the lurker... first post.
Felicia Forder

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#3538 From: "Maurene Fritz/Yehuda Miklaf" <fritzmiklaf@...>
Date: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:19 pm
Subject: Re:Collector's items 		yehudamiklaf
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Ahmet, saalem alehum!

Thank you for the info. This is a lot more than I had expected. How does one
decide whether a paper is "good" or "standard"? I met someone here in Israel
who has about 80 of Mustafa's papers and other marblers as well. Sitting on
a gold mine, no?


Yehuda Miklaf
Jerusalem

http://www.societyofbookbinders.com/gallery/gallery_frames.html
http://www.yehudamiklaf.com (under construction)

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#3539 From: "Maurene Fritz/Yehuda Miklaf" <fritzmiklaf@...>
Date: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:24 pm
Subject: Re:making combs 		yehudamiklaf
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In order to get my pins completely straight, I used brass pins set in paper.
They are done by machine (I assume) and are completely regular. I sandwiched
the lines of pins, with their paper,  between thin strips of wood and
varnished the whole thing. If the pins are too close together, pull out
every other one. To make an interesting pattern, pull them out randomly.

Regards,
Yehuda


Yehuda Miklaf
Jerusalem

http://www.societyofbookbinders.com/gallery/gallery_frames.html
http://www.yehudamiklaf.com (under construction)

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#3540 From: "johnsorge" <jlsorge@...>
Date: Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:57 pm
Subject: papers 		johnsorge
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Dear Members,
I am a novice and need some critical information.  With all the paper
available I do not know what is good for marbling.  Please tell me
what paper you use and where you buy it.  If you would, please tell me
what is acceptable and what is best, in your opinion.  I know it is
always the case that the best costs more, but what do you use and why
do you like it?

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#3541 From: paulhenrydesign@...
Date: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: papers 		paulhenry7499
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All of us marblers use different papers for different effect, because of
different pigments,  even different water types.


www.paulhenrydesign.com


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#3542 From: "hamburgerbuntpapier_de" <studio@...>
Date: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:46 am
Subject: Books on marbling 		hamburgerbun...
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For those with a cache of money under their pillow, Oak Knoll offers 21 books on
marbling, and I hope this is the appropiate link:
http://oakknoll.com/results.php?s_Catnr=1000&s_ShowPics=1

Susanne Krause

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#3543 From: "blynnekelly" <blynnekelly@...>
Date: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:56 am
Subject: alum 		blynnekelly
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Hi Everybody, I am new to marbling and am stumped by the whole alum
thing. I was experimenting with Masa paper and got some stunning
results right away. Then I decided to read a book and follow the rules
and put alum on the paper first. Now the paint won't stick to the
paper!!! I thought alum was supposed to make the paint stick. I bought
the powdered alum at Daniel Smith Art Supply and mixed it 1 Tablspoon:
1 cup water. I heated it up a little until it was blended, then
painted it on the paper.
I used a carrageenan gel base and also am having one heck of a time
keeping my colors from sinking. I have "The Ultimate Marbling
Handbook" by Diane Maurer-Mathison and have read it.
Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Lynne

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