Hi all you marbeles people!

I`m hereby introducing myself: i`m 27 years of age and beeing a
bookbinder by profession I use marbled paper for endpapers, covers
and
so on... I have some experience in marbling with "karragen-mose" (the
norwegian spelling) but I mostly buy my marbled papers.

Soon I´m supposed to teach a class of art students (introductory
class)
a bit about marbling, and I´d like to demonstrate this with the
use of
MC as the size and oil-painting as the colours. I am well experienced
in creating all the trad patterns in the traditional tech, but I have
no experience whatsoever using MC and oil-colours.

MY Q TO YOU ALL: please give me some hints on your experience with
this
type of marbling tech. Any information you have on this topic is
relevant. Especially the chemical part. How much of what to blend
into
this and so on... E-mail me on: mailto:han-ols@... or reply to
the group.

Awaiting my mailbox to flow with tips and hints, I`ll start trying
and
absolutely failing.

Yours Sincerely,

Hans Yngvar Olsen
Oslo, Norway.

Hi Hans!
     You will get good info here--and while you are at it--check through the
archives for this list--you will pick up a ton of info there, too.
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Y. Olsen" <han-ols@...>
To: <Marbling@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:08 PM
Subject: [Marbling] Intro of me and a Q!?



Hi all you marbeles people!

I`m hereby introducing myself: i`m 27 years of age and beeing a
bookbinder by profession I use marbled paper for endpapers, covers
and
so on... I have some experience in marbling with "karragen-mose" (the
norwegian spelling) but I mostly buy my marbled papers.

Soon I´m supposed to teach a class of art students (introductory
class)
a bit about marbling, and I´d like to demonstrate this with the
use of
MC as the size and oil-painting as the colours. I am well experienced
in creating all the trad patterns in the traditional tech, but I have
no experience whatsoever using MC and oil-colours.

MY Q TO YOU ALL: please give me some hints on your experience with
this
type of marbling tech. Any information you have on this topic is
relevant. Especially the chemical part. How much of what to blend
into
this and so on... E-mail me on: mailto:han-ols@... or reply to
the group.

Awaiting my mailbox to flow with tips and hints, I`ll start trying
and
absolutely failing.

Yours Sincerely,

Hans Yngvar Olsen
Oslo, Norway.



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Hi Hans,

I marbled with oils for about 7 years before I discovered acrylics.  I used
sodium alginate for the size and found I could do traditional marbling
patterns.  The only advantage to using oil paints was that you didn't have
to alum the paper.  The disadvantages were far greater.  Having to use toxic
substances like paint thinner and the smell as well as the mess.  Also,
patterns made with oil paints are grainier than those you can get with
acrylics or marbling inks.  One advantage of sodium alginate is that you
don't have to make your size 24 hours in advance, just sprinkle the sodium
alginate on the water and wait about 30 minutes for it to disolve.  Sodium
alginate comes in different granular sizes...the finer grain gave the best
results.

I haven't marbled with oil paints for the past 15 years, and I can't say how
they would work with MC.  When I first started marbling in 1977 I used the
carraghean in the dried form which you had to boil and strain (the instant
type hadn't been discovered yet by marblers).  Sodium alginate was a big
advantage over boiling and straining, but now I'm a dedicated user of
blender carraghean.

Good luck in your demonstration.

d.guffey

How does the sodium alginate compare in end results to carrageenan? How
long does it keep?

Boy, do I remember the days of boiling and straining! As if marbling was
not already enough work. Plus the size always came out a little different
and you had so many more adjustment problems with the colors. I remember
all the sea foam too! And nylon stockings and strainers getting clogged and
the size overflowing onto the floor! Gee....thanks for the memories! What a
mess!

Iris Nevins

>How does the sodium alginate compare in end results to carrageenan? How
>long does it keep?

I would only do a day's worth of marbling on the sodium alginate...it would
start to break down after about 50 sheets.  I have no idea as to the cost
comparison to carraghean, but I don't think it is any less expensive...its
been too many years since I've used it, and only used it for oil paint
marbling.

>Boy, do I remember the days of boiling and straining! As if marbling was
>not already enough work. Plus the size always came out a little different
>and you had so many more adjustment problems with the colors. I remember
>all the sea foam too! And nylon stockings and strainers getting clogged and
>the size overflowing onto the floor! Gee....thanks for the memories! What a
>mess!
>
>Iris Nevins
>
Yes, the days of boiling and straining were messy.  If anyone out there is
still doing it, the best strainer is to go to a paint store and get a bag
that is used for straining paint...works a lot better than panty hose (which
would break and you'd have to start all over!).  I only had one boil over
and that was a nightmare.

d.guffey

Thanks for the info on the Sodium Alginate. I will skip it! These lists are
great to fill each other in on what is not worth bothering trying! I really
trust other marblers' experience. When I started I was self taught and from
bad and archaic instructions,at that.....if I had invested the small
fortune I spent on things that didn't work over the years I'd have a pretty
nice nest egg by now. But marbling was more fun than saving money!

I can't imagine anyone wanting to boil and strain carrageenan
anymore....but about 10 years ago I collected a bunch of it from the Maine
coast, dried it and tried it. It was very weak even in large quantities,
but it did work and was free. There are so many different types and grades
though, I don't really know what variety I had. The consistency and
regularity of the powder is a blessing. Even that is a little different
from batch to batch, but the differences are really minimal in comparison.

Message text written by INTERNET:Marbling@egroups.com
>Yes, the days of boiling and straining were messy.  If anyone out there is
still doing it, the best strainer is to go to a paint store and get a bag
that is used for straining paint...works a lot better than panty hose
(which
would break and you'd have to start all over!).  I only had one boil over
and that was a nightmare.

d.guffey<

I think that Ann Chambers recommended using Ethulose (A cellulose ether that
has NOT been methylated to make it more soluble) instead of Methyl Cellulose
in her relatively recent book published by Thames and Hudson on Oil Marbling,
as it hold up better.  I think that a Tylose is the brand name it is sold
under here in the US.  Then agian, with so many grades of Methyl Cell
available, you might try a grade like Dow a4m or e4m, which is made in hot
water rather than the cold water dispersable variety.  Are the Klucel brand
cellulose ethers more avaiable in Europe?  I use Klucel G in alcohol for
consolidating red rot leather, but I know that other grades (a-f) may be
suitable.  Chck the specs for solubility parameters in H2O.

I don't do oil marbling , but I would have to agree about the potential mess
and  toxicity.  There are a number of Turpentine substitutes available ,
mainly the citrus essential oil variety, that may be a safer (and sweet
smelling) alternative thinner.  I still think that Acrylic is SO much easier
to clean up than Oils.

Jake

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>       1. Intro of me and a Q!?
>            From: "Hans Y. Olsen" <han-ols@...>
>       2. Re: Intro of me and a Q!?
>            From: "J Dolphin" <jdolphin@...>
>       3. Re: Intro of me and a Q!?
>            From: "D. Guffey" <dguff@...>
>       4. Re: Intro of me and a Q!?
>            From: irisnevins <irisnevins@...>
>       5. Sodium Alginate
>            From: "D. Guffey" <dguff@...>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 21:08:29 -0000
>    From: "Hans Y. Olsen" <han-ols@...>
> Subject: Intro of me and a Q!?
>
> Hi all you marbeles people!
>
> I`m hereby introducing myself: i`m 27 years of age and beeing a
> bookbinder by profession I use marbled paper for endpapers, covers
> and
> so on... I have some experience in marbling with "karragen-mose" (the
> norwegian spelling) but I mostly buy my marbled papers.
>
> Soon I´m supposed to teach a class of art students (introductory
> class)
> a bit about marbling, and I´d like to demonstrate this with the
> use of
> MC as the size and oil-painting as the colours. I am well experienced
> in creating all the trad patterns in the traditional tech, but I have
> no experience whatsoever using MC and oil-colours.
>
> MY Q TO YOU ALL: please give me some hints on your experience with
> this
> type of marbling tech. Any information you have on this topic is
> relevant. Especially the chemical part. How much of what to blend
> into
> this and so on... E-mail me on: mailto:han-ols@... or reply to
> the group.
>
> Awaiting my mailbox to flow with tips and hints, I`ll start trying
> and
> absolutely failing.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
>
> Hans Yngvar Olsen
> Oslo, Norway.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:34:09 -0400
>    From: "J Dolphin" <jdolphin@...>
> Subject: Re: Intro of me and a Q!?
>
> Hi Hans!
>     You will get good info here--and while you are at it--check through the
> archives for this list--you will pick up a ton of info there, too.
> Jill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans Y. Olsen" <han-ols@...>
> To: <Marbling@egroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:08 PM
> Subject: [Marbling] Intro of me and a Q!?
>
> Hi all you marbeles people!
>
> I`m hereby introducing myself: i`m 27 years of age and beeing a
> bookbinder by profession I use marbled paper for endpapers, covers
> and
> so on... I have some experience in marbling with "karragen-mose" (the
> norwegian spelling) but I mostly buy my marbled papers.
>
> Soon I´m supposed to teach a class of art students (introductory
> class)
> a bit about marbling, and I´d like to demonstrate this with the
> use of
> MC as the size and oil-painting as the colours. I am well experienced
> in creating all the trad patterns in the traditional tech, but I have
> no experience whatsoever using MC and oil-colours.
>
> MY Q TO YOU ALL: please give me some hints on your experience with
> this
> type of marbling tech. Any information you have on this topic is
> relevant. Especially the chemical part. How much of what to blend
> into
> this and so on... E-mail me on: mailto:han-ols@... or reply to
> the group.
>
> Awaiting my mailbox to flow with tips and hints, I`ll start trying
> and
> absolutely failing.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
>
> Hans Yngvar Olsen
> Oslo, Norway.
>
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> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:09:46 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: "D. Guffey" <dguff@...>
> Subject: Re: Intro of me and a Q!?
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> I marbled with oils for about 7 years before I discovered acrylics.  I used
> sodium alginate for the size and found I could do traditional marbling
> patterns.  The only advantage to using oil paints was that you didn't have
> to alum the paper.  The disadvantages were far greater.  Having to use toxic
> substances like paint thinner and the smell as well as the mess.  Also,
> patterns made with oil paints are grainier than those you can get with
> acrylics or marbling inks.  One advantage of sodium alginate is that you
> don't have to make your size 24 hours in advance, just sprinkle the sodium
> alginate on the water and wait about 30 minutes for it to disolve.  Sodium
> alginate comes in different granular sizes...the finer grain gave the best
> results.
>
> I haven't marbled with oil paints for the past 15 years, and I can't say how
> they would work with MC.  When I first started marbling in 1977 I used the
> carraghean in the dried form which you had to boil and strain (the instant
> type hadn't been discovered yet by marblers).  Sodium alginate was a big
> advantage over boiling and straining, but now I'm a dedicated user of
> blender carraghean.
>
> Good luck in your demonstration.
>
> d.guffey
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:30:30 -0400
>    From: irisnevins <irisnevins@...>
> Subject: Re: Intro of me and a Q!?
>
> How does the sodium alginate compare in end results to carrageenan? How
> long does it keep?
>
> Boy, do I remember the days of boiling and straining! As if marbling was
> not already enough work. Plus the size always came out a little different
> and you had so many more adjustment problems with the colors. I remember
> all the sea foam too! And nylon stockings and strainers getting clogged and
> the size overflowing onto the floor! Gee....thanks for the memories! What a
> mess!
>
> Iris Nevins
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
>    Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 21:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
>    From: "D. Guffey" <dguff@...>
> Subject: Sodium Alginate
>
> >How does the sodium alginate compare in end results to carrageenan? How
> >long does it keep?
>
> I would only do a day's worth of marbling on the sodium alginate...it would
> start to break down after about 50 sheets.  I have no idea as to the cost
> comparison to carraghean, but I don't think it is any less expensive...its
> been too many years since I've used it, and only used it for oil paint
> marbling.
>
> >Boy, do I remember the days of boiling and straining! As if marbling was
> >not already enough work. Plus the size always came out a little different
> >and you had so many more adjustment problems with the colors. I remember
> >all the sea foam too! And nylon stockings and strainers getting clogged and
> >the size overflowing onto the floor! Gee....thanks for the memories! What a
> >mess!
> >
> >Iris Nevins
> >
> Yes, the days of boiling and straining were messy.  If anyone out there is
> still doing it, the best strainer is to go to a paint store and get a bag
> that is used for straining paint...works a lot better than panty hose (which
> would break and you'd have to start all over!).  I only had one boil over
> and that was a nightmare.
>
> d.guffey
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________

I sent off the previous note with no message attached!  Sorry about that.

I was delighted to find some contemporary Iranian calligraphic works featuring
marbling recently.  The compositions are very modern in style, and so is the
marbling.  This particular piece is a quatrain form the poet Hafiz inscribed
by the calligrapher Yadolah Kaboli Khansari.  I understand that there is a
something of a revival of interest in marbling today in Iran.  Enjoy!

Jake

Agreed, oils are a mess, and very few people work successfully with them as
far as achieving beautiful papers. Kay Radcliffe is an expert with them,
wonderful work.

IrisNevins

Dear Jake,

Thank you so much for taking the time to send that piece of Iranian art!!!
How gorgeous!  I might never have an opportunity to come across  a work like
this in the area where I now live!

Bless you for taking the time to post that!!  What a feast, every bit of
it!!

Laura
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake Benson <jemiljan@...>
To: Marbling@onelist.com <Marbling@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 10:54 AM
Subject: [Marbling] whoops!


>
> I sent off the previous note with no message attached!  Sorry about that.
>
> I was delighted to find some contemporary Iranian calligraphic works
featuring
> marbling recently.  The compositions are very modern in style, and so is
the
> marbling.  This particular piece is a quatrain form the poet Hafiz
inscribed
> by the calligrapher Yadolah Kaboli Khansari.  I understand that there is a
> something of a revival of interest in marbling today in Iran.  Enjoy!
>
> Jake
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Interesting, while I sent the image of Iranian calligraphy, I recieved the
posting today saying "not in displayable format"  Is that because I have a Mac?

Can anyone answer this one??

Could be--It wouldn't open on my machine initially--then it
did.........little mysteries!
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Benson" <jemiljan@...>
To: <Marbling@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 10:46 AM
Subject: [Marbling] picture


>
> Interesting, while I sent the image of Iranian calligraphy, I recieved the
> posting today saying "not in displayable format"  Is that because I have a
Mac?
>
> Can anyone answer this one??
>
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Thank you all for expanding my kowledge on oil-marbling!

I have spendt tyhe last two days breating in the fumes from turpentine and
cleaning paint from brushes and blenders. All this only to get a final
result that has a clearly less quality than the traditional techs. You are
quite right, the colours are grainier and duller, the mess is terrible and
the MC solution gets totaly ruined by excess paint. I`m defenetly moving
along to acrylics. The brand of "MC" that i use, actually is Tylose. Thanks
for that very informative reply concerning different qualities of "MC".

Q: Is the procedure the same for using acrylics with Tylose the same as for
using marbling inks in the traditional "karragen"? Do I blend the colours
with ox-gall, etc.? Should I use alun to prep the paper?

Thats all for now...going to bed with an enormous hang-over from the
turpentine tonight...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hans Y. Olsen
han-ols@...
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Can some of you tell me where I can get the least expensive
carrageenan?  I really prefer using it but am always frightened at
the price. Also are there grades or kinds of carrageenan?  Thanks for
the information,  Martha Duran

Hello all!

I am a complete newbie to marbling, but would like to learn how to do it in
order to make hand-made book covers. I am a calligrapher and love making
artist's books.

My question is this: the calligraphy group I belong to is having a sort of
experimental day, where we find out what works and what doesn't work with
regard to papermaking, and marbling in particular. I have read that
acrylics/gouache on liquid starch work well. Has anybody had any experience
with this? What other thickeners could we try?

We find it impossibe to get Carragheen Moss in our region of the UK. Can
you suggest other simple techniques of marbling that we might try? Our
local art shop sells Pebeo Marbling thickener. Any good?

Any help or advice would be gratefully received.


Many thanks,
Lesley
Kingston upon Hull, England

website: http://www.lesleydavies.co.uk

"Let the beauty we love be what we do"  (Rumi)

There are English marblers who use carrageenan..... Sarah Amatt and Kate
Davis (in Scotland) come to mind...try contacting Falkiner's Fine papers in
London, they carry marbled papers and may well be able to advise where to
order carrageenan in UK. You will have fairly limited success with liquid
starch...don't know about the other item you mentioned. I would think
acrylic would be more likely to float on the starch though.

IrisNevins

Welcome to the list--and here's hoping readers can offer you some
suggestions to get you going for marbling over in the UK.
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lesley" <Lesley@...>
>
> I am a complete newbie to marbling, but would like to learn how to do it
in
> order to make hand-made book covers. I am a calligrapher and love making
> artist's books.

hello everyone,
I don't know how many of this group are in the UK, but we have
problems in getting materials. I have used carragheen moss for a bath,
in both powder and as dried sea weed. Specialist Crafts used to sell a
wonderful introduction to marbling set, you got carragheen, alum,
dish, comb, ox gall and colours. I am not quite sure if they are still
sellling it but it was quite good.
I got the dried carraheen from Cornlissen in London.
I have used Pebeo thickner for a bath and it's quite good.
You haven'nt mentioned what to use as a spreading agent, The ox-gall
available in art shops is for water colour painting and is'nt strong
enough. However I understand that a French company has an ox-gall that
is very dark and it works.
Consider Marblease from Liquitex, you can use this with their acrylic
colours.
Liquitex do a wonderful leaflet on decorative paint effects, including
how to do marbling with there products.

deirdre

Hi everybody,
I'm trying to marble on colored fabric with acrylic paint. Does
anyone have any pointers on how to achieve strong unmuddy reds?
Should I be using a specific paint? I figure I need to be using
something to make the paint more opaque so that the color of the
fabric won't affect it so much but I'm not getting very good results.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Susa Glenn

Yes.....add white to it to make it a little more opaque....not enough to
make pink. And use it as your first color so when the other colors are
added they will condense the red spots down and make them more dense.

This is just a generality and may not work with all paints. Reds in general
are the trickiest to work with...even with watercolors. Such is the life of
a marbler....a constant struggle....but usually worth it. Other times I
feel like quitting.....then things start to work again. Just part of the
territory.

Iris Nevins

Thanks, Iris. Back to the laboratory.... Susa


--- In Marbling@egroups.com, IrisNevins <irisnevins@c...> wrote:
> Yes.....add white to it to make it a little more opaque....not
enough to
> make pink. And use it as your first color so when the other colors
are
> added they will condense the red spots down and make them more
dense.
>
> This is just a generality and may not work with all paints. Reds in
general
> are the trickiest to work with...even with watercolors. Such is the
life of
> a marbler....a constant struggle....but usually worth it. Other
times I
> feel like quitting.....then things start to work again. Just part
of the
> territory.
>
> Iris Nevins

Hi Susa,

I have to agree with Iris that red is the most difficult color to deal with,
especially to get a true red that doesn't turn "orangey."  When I was
marbling silk scarves (using acrylics) I found if I wanted red, that I would
use a solid red scarf and marble with whites, greys, & blacks.  The red of
the scarf gave the color, the marbling pattern showed up quite exquisitely
and I didn't have to deal with red paint!  I would also throw a few dollops
of red on the pattern which gave a two-tone red look, but relied mostly on
the whites/greys/blacks to give the pattern.

Good luck...

d.guffey

Hey, Iris & all,
  I got the red to work!!!!!!! You know, this can really be a lot of
fun if you have some successes once in a while. I'm so happy! My long
suffering husband sez he's happy for me but I really think that he
just wants to be left alone so he can go play with his tractor & his
new front end loader. He's very tired of critiquing/admiring marbled
fabric. Susa

Susa,

Congratulations on getting the red to work.  If you want to try one more
variation to the Nevins/Duffey suggestions use red fabric and add a
surfactant as if adding the last color to create clear spaces for the red of
the fabric to show more.  The technique is also useful on fabrics with a
textured or satin finish.

Best, Laura


>From: "Susa Glenn" <sglenn@...>
>Reply-To: Marbling@egroups.com
>To: Marbling@egroups.com
>Subject: [Marbling] Marbling with red
>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:03:35 -0000
>
>Hey, Iris & all,
>  I got the red to work!!!!!!! You know, this can really be a lot of
>fun if you have some successes once in a while. I'm so happy! My long
>suffering husband sez he's happy for me but I really think that he
>just wants to be left alone so he can go play with his tractor & his
>new front end loader. He's very tired of critiquing/admiring marbled
>fabric. Susa
>

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web hosting. I have had a lot of family problems recently and finding time
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functioning I will notify tthe list.

Thanks,
Iris
PS....free marbling advice, as always, available via e-mail preferably, you
don't need to be a "customer". I will answer to the best of my ability.

Thanks Iris! I will muddle and clunk my way through the set- up of the
database--and hope i don't make any typoes!
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: "irisnevins" <irisnevins@...>
To: <Marbling@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:13 AM
Subject: [Marbling] Database


>
> Hi Jill....
>
> I'm assuming we just reply to this e-mail....?
>
> Iris Nevins
> Decorative Papers
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> The complete paper & supply catalog and 40+ color samples are at the web
> site. For those who visit pardon the banner ad...I am temporarily (longer
> than I'd like) parked at a free site until I have time to sort out proper
> web hosting. I have had a lot of family problems recently and finding time
> has been difficult. But if for some reason down the road that address
stops
> functioning I will notify tthe list.
>
> Thanks,
> Iris
> PS....free marbling advice, as always, available via e-mail preferably,
you
> don't need to be a "customer". I will answer to the best of my ability.
>
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Hi everybody,

My name is Ahmet Saral.I'm a Turkish marbler ,long years I lived in
Istanbul and now I live in Vienna ,Austria.I have a new exhibition
here from 1.October to 15.October.I have also a web site in internet
you can see some samples of my works from
http://members.chello.at/ahmet.saral
Long years I practised the traditional designs,and I searched the
possibilities  for creative marbling.I am specialist in miniature
floral marblings and figurative marblings.
It is very nice to find marbling friends.
With my best wishes
Ahmet Saral

Wonderful! Welcome aboard!
Jill
----- Original Message -----
From: <ahmet.saral@...>
To: <Marbling@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:19 PM
Subject: [Marbling] new marbling exhibition in vienna


>
> Hi everybody,
>
> My name is Ahmet Saral.I'm a Turkish marbler ,long years I lived in
> Istanbul and now I live in Vienna ,Austria.I have a new exhibition
> here from 1.October to 15.October.I have also a web site in internet
> you can see some samples of my works from
> http://members.chello.at/ahmet.saral
> Long years I practised the traditional designs,and I searched the
> possibilities  for creative marbling.I am specialist in miniature
> floral marblings and figurative marblings.
> It is very nice to find marbling friends.
> With my best wishes
> Ahmet Saral
>
>
>
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