I came across a new book (well, very old!) of Irenaeus' Againt Heresies translated/revised by James Payton. It looks finally to be a new version of Ireneaus'...
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matt reader
mattyreader
Jun 18, 2011 4:36 pm
I have found Light from the Christian East to be one of the best intros to EO, esp geared toward the Protestant mindset. It is VERY well written, researched,...
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Christopher Orr
christopher3rd
Jun 21, 2011 5:08 pm
"Light from the Christian East: An Introduction to the Orthodox Tradition" by Payton came highly recommended to me. I found it to be a good enough ...
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Benjamin Harju
benjamin.harju@...
Jun 22, 2011 3:28 am
A nice book on St. Irenaeus's theology is "Man and the Incarnation" by Gustaf Wingren. I read it first in seminary, and it was influential in my journey to...
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Richard
richsheri1
Jul 1, 2011 9:59 pm
I understand (perhaps, incorrectly) that Eastern Orthodoxy holds that when Adam fell into sin, it was a fall, but that did not include the loss of the image of...
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Benjamin Harju
benjamin.harju@...
Jul 2, 2011 2:26 am
The topic of the image of God in man is addressed differently by different fathers of the Church. Some see it in man's reason, some in his free will, some in...
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Richard K. Futrell
richsheri1
Jul 2, 2011 3:10 pm
Ben, Thanks. I'm not sure I'm buying what you are saying, but that may be why I'm Lutheran. My readings of the Fathers has primarily centered on Clement,...
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randall hay
sr72000
Jul 2, 2011 8:56 pm
I might add a bit to Benjamin's reply. St Irenaeus wrote at a very early date, before terminology related to image/likeness had been dealt with at length. At...
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Benjamin Harju
benjamin.harju@...
Jul 3, 2011 12:43 am
Pr. Futrell, What in particular are you not buying, my reading of St. Irenaeus or my comment about Orthodox theology? If St. Irenaeus, then how do you read...
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Richard K. Futrell
richsheri1
Jul 3, 2011 2:23 am
Ben, I just take it that when Irenaeus says that we lost the image of God in the Fall, that's what he means. We lost it completely. I happen to agree with...
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Christopher Orr
christopher3rd
Jul 3, 2011 4:58 am
I'm not sure what the original Greek (or Latin) is or how this section may be translated differently, but in the selection you provided, Irenaeus is not saying...
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Christopher Orr
christopher3rd
Jul 3, 2011 5:07 am
Sorry, that should have been "and that isn't to KNOCK the doctrine" and "don't think one can easily summarize what 'Eastern Orthodoxy holds' concerning the ...
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Benjamin Harju
benjamin.harju@...
Jul 3, 2011 11:43 am
Pr. Futrell, Okay, I'll try to clarify. Not only was man "stuck in an immature status and unable to grow," but this immature man was also thrown into bondage...
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Richard K. Futrell
richsheri1
Jul 5, 2011 1:51 am
Ben, Sorry for my tardy response. I've haven't religiously :-) been checking my e-mail during the Independence Day weekend. You said, "Pr. Futrell, in saying...
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Richard K. Futrell
richsheri1
Jul 5, 2011 2:16 am
Chris, You wrote: "I'm not sure what the original Greek (or Latin) is or how this section may be translated differently, but in the selection you provided,...
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xcjorr@...
christopher3rd
Jul 5, 2011 3:12 am
Since we look a lot like Jesus who became incarnate well after the Fall, I've always taken that to mean we did not completely lose the image of God in the...
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Benjamin Harju
benjamin.harju@...
Jul 6, 2011 2:30 am
Rich, Regarding your translation issue with Clement's letter, it has been a longstanding (but not always uniform) practice in early Christian and patristic...
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Richard K. Futrell
richsheri1
Jul 6, 2011 2:56 am
Ben, You know your stuff! I have yet to read book 4 in this translation. So what you are saying is that my understanding of the loss of the image of God does...
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Benjamin Harju
benjamin.harju@...
Jul 6, 2011 5:37 am
Rich, I apologize if I took the wording of your description of St. Irenaeus's position too far into distortion. It would be good conversation to read your...
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Christopher Orr
christopher3rd
Jul 29, 2011 3:59 pm
Prayers to Saints in the Pre-Nicene Era<http://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/prayers-to-saints-in-the-pre-nicene-era/> *By Perry Robinson,...
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Christopher Orr
christopher3rd
Sep 23, 2011 5:30 pm
Road to Emmaus Journal Needs Your Help <http://www.bombaxo.com/blog/?p=3273> *from...
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Joshua Greve
joshinmich
Oct 8, 2011 10:32 pm
Hello, I am new to your forum. I grew up Lutheran and have been Orthodox for over 10 years. Recently I got into a discussion with a Lutheran about Sola ...
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Richard K. Futrell
richsheri1
Oct 10, 2011 8:59 pm
Josh: WARNING: Lutheran Response! Josh, I’ll share with you my understanding as a Lutheran who likes to lurk on this board. 1 Corinthians 4:1 says that the...
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Jeremy Finck
finckdaddy
Oct 11, 2011 11:33 am
Pastor Futrell, You are rare breed of Lutheran. Not many Lutherans (let alone other Protestants) get the nuance of the original Sola Scriptura teaching of the...
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joshinmich
Oct 11, 2011 6:22 pm
Thank you Pastor: From your description, it would seem he is talking about nuda Scriptura, but I don't know if he would consider himself believing as much. He...
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joshinmich
Oct 11, 2011 6:29 pm
Thanks for you thoughts! I think that was an interesting thought regarding Wisdom. I am not trying to be a conspiracy theorists here, but does anyone think...
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joshinmich
Oct 11, 2011 6:32 pm
Also, pastor, do you mind sending me any references that shows Luther to be a Sola Scriptura-ist as opposed to a nuda Scriptura-ist? Or something that speaks...
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randall hay
sr72000
Oct 12, 2011 3:13 am
Blessed Theodoret and St John Chrysostom likewise see "do not go beyond what is written" as a reference to what the Bible says about not being proud....
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Richard K. Futrell
richsheri1
Oct 12, 2011 11:54 am
Randall, Thanks you so much for that tidbit on the bias in the NIV translation. I wasn't aware of that (but then I don;t use the NIV as my primary...
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Richard K. Futrell
richsheri1
Oct 12, 2011 11:58 am
The Lutheran Confessions approach tradition and worship with this in focus: the Gospel. Our churches are falsely accused of abolishing the Mass. The Mass is...
