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Nathan
nfactor13
Nov 1, 2010 10:51 am
Hi, all. I'm new to the group, so hopefully my questions won't be something that's been discussed to death already. I've only seen the most recent set. Feel...
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Dan
dan_ust
Nov 1, 2010 2:33 pm
http://www.amazon.com/Spain-Independence-United-States-Intrinsic/dp/082632794X Anyone read this one? Regards, Dan...
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Bill
erm4you
Nov 1, 2010 2:48 pm
... This is why the discussion continues... Because for as long as I can remember being on this list I have said that "land" in economic parlance represents...
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Bill
erm4you
Nov 1, 2010 3:19 pm
... Thanks for the question Nathan! Unfortunately it is a physical limitation that can't be ignored - two people can not occupy the same location at the same...
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jeo1@...
ogallagherjames
Nov 1, 2010 3:45 pm
Lot x may be a nice location, the georgists will say, so of course "we" have to collect economic rent, to uphold negative liberty of those excluded yada yada ...
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Marja Erwin
marja376
Nov 1, 2010 4:22 pm
... Given the record of fishery collapse and extinction, we do need to consider ways to conserve fisheries. I don't think taxing them is the right solution. I...
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Bill
erm4you
Nov 1, 2010 4:34 pm
... The "tax" is actually the cost for the permit (title) to take fish up to the sustainable yield. Isn't this what Elinor Ostrom won the Nobel prize in...
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Scott Bieser
sbieser
Nov 1, 2010 5:03 pm
And here we see the basic moral contradiction of the Georgist/geoist viewpoint. Their entire theory rests on the axiom that every human has "an...
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Dan
dan_ust
Nov 1, 2010 5:08 pm
The usual way to conserve a scarce resource - one that predates, but is surprisingly consistent with libertarian theory (yet some here seem unaware of it) --...
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Bill
erm4you
Nov 1, 2010 6:08 pm
Rights to the commons ARE already "property rights". They are individual EQUAL rights... My use/access is free for me to act upon without anyone else's...
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Bill
erm4you
Nov 1, 2010 6:32 pm
The axiom is actually that everything in the material universe pre-existing human labor is owned IN COMMON as an individual equal access opportunity right NOT...
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Juan Garofalo
three_d60
Nov 1, 2010 7:11 pm
... Permit? And who is doing the allowing? On what authority? Bill, you seem to be HIGHLY confused... J. ... wow. the noble prize. paid by the swedish central...
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Scott Bieser
sbieser
Nov 1, 2010 9:21 pm
I never said either "owned" or "unowned." What I said was, ... Which I think describes the geoist axiom correctly. This business about "everything in the...
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Bill
erm4you
Nov 1, 2010 9:57 pm
Yes, but the axiom is actually about common ownership...the equal access opprtunity right is the logical extension of that axiom not the axiom itsel. Whereas...
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Juan Garofalo
three_d60
Nov 1, 2010 10:03 pm
The unimproved value of 'land' (including the landfish and other natural resources) is zero....
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Bill
erm4you
Nov 1, 2010 10:31 pm
wherever the unimproved value is zero -- access and use away! no one is being economically disadvantaged... BG...
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Scott Bieser
sbieser
Nov 1, 2010 11:06 pm
Okay, fine. You posit that every part of the material universe is owned in common by all of humanity. It's still absurd. On what basis would any human, or all...
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jeo1@...
ogallagherjames
Nov 1, 2010 11:43 pm
I used the same example last week in discussing Africa and Alaska, Bill's answer was we are not in proximity to those so we wouldn't be owed economic rent,...
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jeo1@...
ogallagherjames
Nov 1, 2010 11:49 pm
the georgist response is the same for everything, if you are economically disadvantaged by someone else's exclusive use of a location\resources (without...
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Scott Bieser
sbieser
Nov 2, 2010 12:17 am
I'm challenging this fundamental notion of universal common ownership/equal access opportunity right, not the kluge part dealing with rent and to whom it is...
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Bill
erm4you
Nov 2, 2010 1:33 am
If you have no legal right to occupy any location without having to pay someone or be gifted that right -- how can your right of self-ownership be intact? BG...
Because all the owner of the land I happen to be on can do is force me to leave his property. He can't torture me, or dismember me, or bind me down with...
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Nathan
nfactor13
Nov 2, 2010 5:24 am
Hi, all. I'm new to the group, so hopefully my questions won't be something that's been discussed to death already. I've only seen the most recent set. Feel...
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Nathan
nfactor13
Nov 2, 2010 5:26 am
... Agreed. ... Not necessarily. The first statement above regarding physical limitations just means that the 4 square feet that I'm standing on (and the...
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Thomas J. Webb
magusofthedark
Nov 2, 2010 5:27 am
If you think of all people in society as being wronged and all land-owners as wronging, then the amount each land owner wrongs you is a small amount not worth...
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Dan Clore
clore333
Nov 2, 2010 12:54 pm
(Found via link at Strike The Root.) http://www.desertdispatch.com/opinion/redistribution-9591-engage-researchers.html Tibor Machan here rants about a study...
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Dan Clore
clore333
Nov 2, 2010 1:13 pm
... (Wishing he had a faster computer, so he could watch videos. The sound comes through okay, but they always look more like slide shows. Using an add-on to...
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Dan
dan_ust
Nov 2, 2010 1:17 pm
Not every location is owned. We've been down this road before... Regards, Dan From: Bill <erm4you@...> To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon,...
