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Re: Chomsky on Anarchism

It's been a while, but I've spent time talking to Chomsky, a very kind
and patient man. I got to know him when I was senior editor at Inquiry
magazine, which published him frequently.

"The idea of 'free contract' between the potentate and his starving
subject is a sick joke, perhaps worth some moments in an academic
seminar exploring the consequences of (in my view, absurd) ideas, but
nowhere else."

This shows that Chomsky has not fully digested market anarchism. (I
avoid "anarcho-capitalism" for obvious reasons.) He is locked into a
package deal that we here have broken apart. There are no potentates
in market anarchism. I would like to know if Chomsky has studied
Benjamin Tucker.

"I should add, however, that I find myself in substantial agreement
with people who consider themselves anarcho-capitalists on a whole
range of issues; and for some years, was able to write only in their
journals. And I also admire their commitment to rationality -- which
is rare...."

That's the Chomsky I've known.

Sheldon

--- In LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com, Tony Hollick
<StarGateAcademy@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/interviews/9612-anarchism.html
>
> This discussion should be of particular interest to those seeking a
> rapprochement with the "Left."
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony
>





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Being on the left, I find it interesting for a raproachment with the "Right". ;-) Of course your point is taken. There is an entire book entitled "Chomsky on ...
Mike Park
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May 18, 2007
12:34 am

It's been a while, but I've spent time talking to Chomsky, a very kind and patient man. I got to know him when I was senior editor at Inquiry magazine, which...
Sheldon Richman
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May 18, 2007
2:15 pm

... This counter-argument does not treat Chomsky's actual argument. Chomsky dealt with a question about "anarcho-capitalism", not with one about "market...
Dan Clore
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May 18, 2007
6:52 pm

Dan-- I seriously doubt that Chomsky would draw a distinction between anarchocapitalism and market capitalism. His level of knowledge of our side, I suspect,...
Sheldon Richman
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May 18, 2007
7:53 pm

... It doesn't matter whether Chomsky would draw the distinction -- the point is that he was asked about anarcho-capitalists, not about anti-capitalist...
Dan Clore
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May 18, 2007
8:44 pm

I don't see how it doesn't matter, given the question Chomsky was asked. He would have given the same answer, I presume, if asked about "anticapitalist...
Sheldon Richman
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May 18, 2007
8:55 pm

... Chomsky's opinion of anti-capitalists market anarchists like Tucker doesn't matter, whether or not he would distinguish them from anarcho-capitalists,...
Dan Clore
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May 18, 2007
9:43 pm

Are you contending that Chomsky would say that his notion of worker-owned means of production is consistent with private, individually owned means of...
Sheldon Richman
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May 18, 2007
10:25 pm

... He often refers to cooperatives as an example of what he advocates. ... I think that rather than saying that truly free markets cannot exist, he would...
Dan Clore
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May 19, 2007
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... I tend to think substance is more important than labels. The way I would prefer to approach these kinds of theoretical conflicts would be to work on...
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... I very much agree. The matter of labels, of words, tends to create misunderstanding because of multiple definitions and re-definitions. Anarcho-capitalists...
Dan Clore
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May 19, 2007
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Sadly I have found this to be the case,with anarchists as a whole.Most of them also think market anarchism(Which I promote.),and anarchocapitalism (Which I...
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I wouldn't say anarchocapitalism is evil, since many who use that term mean market anarchism. Not everyone uses "capitalism" to mean corporatism. Maybe they...
Sheldon Richman
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May 19, 2007
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Sheldon, A lot of anarchists will tell you,that "anarchocapitalism" is corporate capitalism untethered from any restrictions put upon it by the state.Meaning...
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... And some anarchists will tell you that "anarchocapitalism" is the same as "free market anarchism". The point is that different anarchists use the term...
Fred C. Moulton
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May 22, 2007
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Of course we can't predict the future in detail. But since, as A. Smith said, the division of labor is limited by the extent of the market, I expect there...
Sheldon Richman
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May 22, 2007
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... Sheldon, if we divorce the state's privilege making capabilities from the free market then externalities will have to be internalized and local production...
BGreen
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bg, I think you are underestimating what entrepreneurship will come up with even with all costs internalized. There will be a demand for variety that will be...
Sheldon Richman
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... I don't think this is a fair representation of the situation in Somalia from the time the civil war petered out in the mid-1990s until the revival of civil...
Rad Geek
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May 18, 2007
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... Sure, but pretty much any state allows things like private bodyguards. ... Just as Somali warlords charged taxes (protection money from most people in...
Dan Clore
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May 18, 2007
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... The claim is not that private bodyguards or private militias made Somalia anarchic. The claim is that the lack of a centralized government did. The claim...
Rad Geek
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... Which is absurd on its face. Just because an area is divided between a bunch of different governments does not mean that there is no government. ... Except...
Dan Clore
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There's lots o' anarchist writing about Somalia out there.Want some links ? Roger ... bodyguards. ... government ... government. ... withdrawal ... people ... ...
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If a libertarian had gone to Argentina to advise Pinochet on social policy, liberalising sexual relations, gay rights, freedom of speech, etc. would there be...
Richard Garner
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Yes, but from the conservatives here in America. Regards, Dan Richard Garner <Richard_Garner2000@...> wrote: If a libertarian had gone to Argentina to...
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So *any* policy recommendations from libertarians to tyrannical regimes should be frowned upon?! Richard ... From: Dan Ust To:...
Richard Garner
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Not "should" but "will." Do you disagree that, had "a libertarian" -- leaving aside whether one considers any of the Chicago types libertarians -- "gone to...
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"Do you disagree that, had 'a libertarian' -- leaving aside whether one considers any of the Chicago types libertarians -- 'gone to Argentina to advise...
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LOL! Yes, Chile. Perhaps a libertarian could've advised Peron... :) Regards, Dan professorbear <professorbear@...> wrote: "Do you disagree that, had...
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Um, maybe I'm missing something here, but wasn't Pinochet a Chilean? Anyone going to Argentina to advise Pinochet would have been in the wrong country, I...
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