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Re: [LeftLibertarian2] Re: Prometheus Awards

On 7/9/09, Dan Clore <clore@...> wrote:
> Roderick Long wrote:
>
> > By the way, in the foreword to LOTR, denying that the book is an
> > allegory of World War II, Tolkien notes: "if [the war] had inspired
> > or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring
> > would have bene seized ans used against Sauron; he would not have
> > been annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dur would not have been
> > destroyed but occupied. Saruman, failing to get possession of the
> > Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found
> > in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and
> > before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to
> > challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth. In that conflict
> > both sides would have held hobbits in hatred and contempt: they would
> > not long have survived even as slaves."
> >
> > That tells us something of what Tolkien thought both of the Ring and
> > of both sides in WW2.
>
> There's also a letter where he says that the difference between war in
> Middle Earth and war in the real world is that in the real world there
> are Orcs on both sides.

Both quotes sound almost like Dwight MacDonald before he became a neocon.


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*Little Brother* gets the Prometheus, *The Lord of the Rings* enters the Hall of Fame: http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/97152.html...
Jesse Walker
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Jul 8, 2009
4:10 pm

... Lord of the Rings? I suppose Frodo and Samwise's blank in innocence of the temptation of the One Ring is a good example But there's a srong thread of...
Jay P Hailey
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Jul 8, 2009
9:29 pm

Politically, Tolkien was a mixed bag.  (He said his two favourite systems were monarchy and anarchy.)  But if you read the ring as a metaphor for political...
Roderick Long
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Jul 8, 2009
9:58 pm

... I find the Hobbit society pretty attractive--as Michael Holmes has no doubt discerned. -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org ...
Kevin Carson
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Jul 8, 2009
10:41 pm

... Hash: SHA1 ... Well, during the time he was writing _The Lord of the Rings_, he seems to have been a bit of both. From a letter to his son Christopher (29 ...
Rad Geek
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Jul 8, 2009
10:05 pm

... Don't forget Hakim Bey: http://www.t0.or.at/hakimbey/taz/taz2d.htm The Tolkien/Bey/Hoppe axis -- an unstoppable alliance!...
Jesse Walker
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Jul 8, 2009
11:06 pm

Or Marc-Eric Ely Chaitlin:   http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/nir.htm   Dan ... Don't forget Hakim Bey: http://www.t0. or.at/hakimbey/ taz/taz2d. htm The...
Dan
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Jul 9, 2009
2:27 pm

... William Stoddard wrote an essay on this topic in 1992: http://www.troynovant.com/Stoddard/Tolkien/Law-Institutions-Shire.html Bill is Vice President of the...
Fred C. Moulton
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Jul 8, 2009
10:36 pm

"Tolkien was not a libertarian. he was a monarchist." Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. According to an essay on LOTR and Rand's Atlas...
jeff_riggenbach
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Jul 9, 2009
3:08 am

... Actually it's from two years ago -- 7/9/07, not 7/9/09. By the way, in the foreword to LOTR, denying that the book is an allegory of World War II, Tolkien ...
Roderick Long
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Jul 9, 2009
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One parallel between _Atlas Shrugged_ and _LOTR_ that I'm surprised Jablecki doesn't make a bit more explicitly is that both novels the central "gimmick" (as...
Roderick Long
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Jul 9, 2009
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... There's also a letter where he says that the difference between war in Middle Earth and war in the real world is that in the real world there are Orcs on...
Dan Clore
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Jul 10, 2009
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... Both quotes sound almost like Dwight MacDonald before he became a neocon. -- Kevin Carson Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org Mutualist Blog:...
Kevin Carson
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Jul 10, 2009
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This reminds me of something.  A few days ago, I finally saw "Hearts and Minds" and of the many scenes that stood out, there was David Ellsberg saying, "We...
Dan
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Jul 10, 2009
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... War turns people into monsters. There don't seem to be any exceptions. Jay ~Meow!~...
Jay P Hailey
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Jul 14, 2009
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... Let me be more specific here. War does not turn every individual who sees combat into a monster. War seems to have an effect on people so that some will...
Jay P. Hailey
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Jul 14, 2009
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Does it? Aside from chimps, war seems a, sadly, very human thing. And, heck, in the case of chimps, it's almost like they're being human when they go to war. ...
Dan
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Jul 14, 2009
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... Don't forget ants: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2203crea.html...
Jesse Walker
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Jul 14, 2009
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On that topic, Steven Pinker has a good article: http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/greatergood/2009april/Pinker054.php Money quote: Man's inhumanity to man has...
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