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In a message dated 7/19/2008 10:41:34 AM Central Daylight Time, dan_ust@... writes:


Haven't yet read Charlie's response.  Rest assured, probably all here do not see Walmart or any other corporation as a the most free market on the list.  However, the problem with Walmart from a libertarian perspective is not how it treats its workers.  Rather, it's how it relies on state intervention -- from being incorporated (which makes it no better or worse than any other corporation) to its specific policies of asking for state interventions (including, recently, its support for raising the minimum wage*).

Regards,

Dan


More gratuitous Walmart bashing.

Yes, the union financed anti Walmart websites get posted here as "proof" of Walmart's perfidy, but this is all mostly special pleading.

If Walmart employees were paying union dues none of that would be there.

And existing unions are no less creatures of state privilege than are corporations (only traditional leftists love unions without reservation and hate corporations equally blindly).

Walmart doesn't differ greatly from its competitors in any "sins" and is far less state entangled than are many other large corporations which exist on state handouts. But Boeing doesn't have a store in every hamlet and of course is heavily unionized.

That fact that real poor and low income people seem to prefer Walmart because of their low prices doesn't matter to the classic lefty. Actually helping the poor is irrelevant to the bigger issues of how union bosses can make larger salaries.

And workers in China can take care of themselves. Or you are free to travel there and organize them to strike for higher wages. Let us know how that works out for you.

MH


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