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How is mutualism different than anarcho-capitalism?   Message List  
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Hi there.

Perhaps I don't understand mutualism, but why is it considered
different from anarcho-capitalism? Don't mutualists believe that by
removing the state and economic intervention, greater economic
equality would naturally result in the free market? If that's so, then
how are they different than Rothbardian anarcho-capitalists?
Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:23 am

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Hi there. Perhaps I don't understand mutualism, but why is it considered different from anarcho-capitalism? Don't mutualists believe that by removing the state... 		steohawk
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2:24 am

That depends on how one defines the two terms as well as how firm of a grasp on their own ideology the proponent of it it has in some cases. The principal...
Brad Spangler
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3:59 am

Thanks for clearing that up. I suppose even for libertarians, it's sometimes difficult to determine what constitutes property. My personal theory is that...
steohawk
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6:04 am

I don't know about naturally but I think in most cases it will tend to lead to that although in some cases maybe many it might not but I think the ratio would...
terry12622000
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1:07 pm

Carson wrote an instructive short piece on what I would call a sort of "functional fusion" of Rothbardian and usufruct approaches in the context of...
Brad Spangler
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2:37 pm

New blog post in response to "...counter-economics will naturally lead to true property rights." "Counter-economics, bootstrapping a system of stateless law...
Brad Spangler
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5:42 pm

Thanks for all the links. I'll have plenty of reading to do. :-) ... firm of a ... cases. ... Rothbardian ... anti-state ... property ... I'm not ... tend ... ...
steohawk
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3:22 am

Terry, I have never cared much for the “you own yourself” theory of property. I concentrate on human exertion producing Wealth (capitalized because it’s...
Harry Pollard
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10:47 pm

"I have never cared much for the "you own yourself" theory of property" So who does own you, if you don't? Richard ... From: "Harry Pollard"...
Richard Garner
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11:21 pm

Why, everybody who lives within an unspecified proximity of you, of course. Never fear, though -- they own you in common, rather than collectively. [grin]...
Brad Spangler
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Well, of course, I am unowned which means a Rothbardian can homestead me. I’m not sure how anyone else can own be – the question doesn’t arise. Richard,...
Harry Pollard
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I realize it sounds counter-intuitive, but I regard that as an example of the inadequacy of existing language. The words "self ownership" come closest to...
Brad Spangler
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"There is only one fundamental right (all others are its consequences or corollaries): a man's right to his own life. Life is a process of self-sustaining and...
BGreen
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BG, As you know, I don’t think there are any rights that come with the body. No-one has a right to life. He has to work hard to stay alive. And if the...
Harry Pollard
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Harry: I rather think that this "self-ownership" bizness owes its origin to the same property fetish that wants to reduce everything to "ownership rights." An...
tony_hollick
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... Whoever first converts you to part of the land and mingles his labor with you. I'm afraid that I have to reject this "you own yourself" property theory. It...
Dan Clore
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We probably ought to be paying rent to those proximate or semi-proximate individuals for the unfair exclusive use of ourselves. After all (for example), it's...
Jeff Olson
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We must be grateful for small mercies. ****************************** Harry Pollard Henry George School of Los Angeles Box 655 Tujunga CA 91042 818 352-4141 ...
Harry Pollard
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Ah, but they only have an equal individual access right, not collective ownership! Richard ... From: Brad Spangler To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Richard Garner
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I'll keep that in mind next time I'm watching "Big Love"....
Brad Spangler
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Gauthier argued for a tax on the rental income of humans. Richard ... From: Jeff Olson To: LeftLibertarian2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007...
Richard Garner
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"Well, of course, I am unowned which means a Rothbardian can homestead me." If you are unowned, then presumably you have none of the rights over yourself that...
Richard Garner
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A slave would be interested in your contention that bad things happen to him because he is unowned, rather than because he is owned. I thought your argument...
Harry Pollard
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... Like your right to life (as you have pointed out) one must take positive action to secure one's life via continued supply of sustenance from our natural...
BGreen
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Well, we certainly wouldn't want to confuse poor Harry with such terribly difficult to grasp philosophic metaphors as "self-ownership." JO ... From: "Brad...
Jeff Olson
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I suppose the reason for your ad hominems is that you are not very good at throwing them, so you need lots of practice. I don’t think the idea of...
Harry Pollard
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I believe that the target of an insult is probably not the best judge of how good the insult is. It's kind of like asking Bush if the undeclared war in Iraq...
Dan Ust
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To me, it's a beautifully succinct idea which is fundamentally true -- in fact, it is about as close to being self-evident as any social/libertarian principle...
Jeff Olson
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My only objection is one which you might consider to be just semantics. The idea of "ownership" generally includes a right to sell. Sure, we can all agree that...
Trevor Acorn
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