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MLL: Let’s get some Harass the Brass endorsements   Message List  
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Re: [LeftLibertarian] MLL: Let�s get some Harass the Brass endorsements

>From: Brad Spangler <brad_spangler@...>

>--- Scott Bieser <scott@...> wrote:
>
> > Well, I endorsed the action, but I don't care to
> > join SDS/MDS, as I
> > think it would be fraudulent on my part. I don't
> > want a democratic
> > society, I want an anarchist society, and the
> > difference between the two
> > is rather enormous.

>In the interests of what I see as clearing up
>confusion, though, let me explain that the small "d"
>democratic in SDS is *supposed* to be about
>participatory democracy as opposed to representative
>democracy. Adherence to thsat ideal would, IMO, result
>in something you might like more than you suspect,
>IMO. We'll see if they adhere to it.
>
>Have a look at some of the stuff Rothbard had to say
>about participatory democracy here:
>
>http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/1_2/1_2_4.pdf

The difference between anarchism and democracy, at least when the latter is
taken to its logical conclusion, isn't all that great.

Arguably, anarchism is the ultimate development of the Jeffersonian
democratic principle, in the same sense that Thoreau's government that
governs not at all is the ultimate example of the best government governing
least.

The heart of the Jeffersonian/anglo-republican understanding of democracy
was government by consent. And the smaller the unit of government, the
closer that consent approached to unanimity, the better. Majority rule was
not the defining feature--majority rule was just a proxy for consent, an
imperfect way to simulate it when genuinely unanimous consent was
impossible.

So devolving all government to direct democratic town meetings and
neighborhood assemblies is a big step in the right direction. And going a
step further, depriving the town meetings of the power to collect payment
for services from unwilling clients and allowing competing service
providers, takes us the rest of the way: we're at the point where anarchism
and radical democracy coincide.

***************************************
Kevin Carson
Mutualist.Org: Free Market Anticapitalism
http://www.mutualist.org/
Mutualist Blog http://mutualist.blogspot.com/








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MLL: Let's get some Harass the Brass endorsements http://www.bradspangler.com/blog/archives/377 As a followup to my blog post on the upcoming SDS Harass the...
Brad Spangler
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Apr 4, 2006
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... Well, I endorsed the action, but I don't care to join SDS/MDS, as I think it would be fraudulent on my part. I don't want a democratic society, I want an...
Scott Bieser
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Apr 5, 2006
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... As you wish. I won't deny that there are plenty of left-statist progressives involved, just as there are plenty of populist constitutionalists in the ...
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Apr 8, 2006
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... Neither would I condemn market anarchists for joining this as part of an ad-hoc alliance strategy. It's a judgement call based on many variables specific...
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Apr 9, 2006
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... The difference between anarchism and democracy, at least when the latter is taken to its logical conclusion, isn't all that great. Arguably, anarchism is...
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Apr 12, 2006
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... This sounds an awful lot like the classic argument for The Dallas Accord -- let's whittle the state down to something manageable first, then it will be a...
Scott Bieser
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Apr 15, 2006
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... not even if the democracy was the face to face, participatory type where you acted as your own citizen legislator within a deliberative forum and...
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Apr 8, 2006
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... Town-hall democracy works reasonably well for small towns. But the principles that make it work don't scale up much past communities of 20,000 people, much...
Scott Bieser
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... I don't think many people in SDS would disagree with this in principle. They'd just argue for decentralizing the decision-making process as much as ...
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Ok from what I gather true Conccenuses unlike Socicocracy requires either unamious agreement with in a group or at least no veto or blackballing the ruling, or...
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'Well, I endorsed the action, but I don't care to join SDS/MDS, as I think it would be fraudulent on my part. I don't want a democratic society, I want an...
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