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Regarding all the "peak oil" Malthusian pessimism in the press these
days, I found a physics professor online who did the math and arrived
at a techno-optimist replacement solution, by my reckoning.

http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html

Replacing all transportation fuels (switching everything to diesel,
using algae grown in the U.S.) would not displace food crop or grazing
acreage, could be done in 12.5% of land in the Sonora desert alone
(but of course should be split up and located at various U.S. sites),
and would cost a total of $46.2 billion per year compared to the $100
to $150 billion per year just for foreign oil imports (at mid-2004
prices!). Not quite the end of the world.

Kent






Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:54 am

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Regarding all the "peak oil" Malthusian pessimism in the press these days, I found a physics professor online who did the math and arrived at a techno-optimist...
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I wonder how much more efficent a 2 cycle Diesel engine would be, put that in as a hybrird and I bet you could get close to 100 MPG. Coming up with various...
terry12622000
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Sep 30, 2005
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... Kent, nice of you to plug UNH! the only problem is that this does not address the issue of using the sky sustainably as a sink beyond Locke's Proviso...
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Sep 30, 2005
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Biodiesel is twice as clean as diesel from petroleum (less health damage to the public), is grown in the U.S. (completely obviating a military presence in the...
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Oct 1, 2005
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I think John Sebestian with the TNLP is a professor in geology, I'm going to run the renewalable oil link by him.--- In ... seems ... biodiesel ... while ... ...
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Oct 1, 2005
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I checked with John and you can read his response at the TNLP Yahoo board. He thinks the biological theory of in ground oil production is weak while the non...
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Oct 4, 2005
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I went over to Yarmouth, Novia Scotia last week on the Cat Ferry from Bar Harbour Maine, I took one of those 2 hour tours, on the tour the guide showed us...
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Oct 1, 2005
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The growing of Algae as well as most plants would absorb some CO2, the absorbtion of CO2 was the reason for the first study of growing the Algae.--- In...
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(Somewhat off-topic) Quoting kent_hastings on Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:43:52 -0000: ___Kent___ Biodiesel is twice as clean as diesel from petroleum (less health...
Scott Bergeson
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Scott, The Heartland Institute (a participant at the first FEE convention in Vegas, which I attended along with SEK3, Neil Schulman, Jeff Riggenbach, and...
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Quoting J. Kent Hastings on Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:44:53 -0700: ___Kent___ Biodiesel is twice as clean as diesel from petroleum (less health damage to the public) ...
Scott Bergeson
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If the US is still using 180 billion gallons total of gasoline and Diesel and the average per gallon is 2.80 then that is 504 billion dollars a year but there...
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In a message dated 10/1/2005 4:46:32 PM Central Standard Time, ... Yes, every time the cost of fuel goes up we hear all the wonderful things about these magic...
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Mike Holmes wrote: Somehow it is never mentioned that "biodiesel" and similar fuels are heavily subsidized by both agricultural subsidies (on soybeans and corn...
Carlton Hobbs
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... I'm surprised no one here has brought up "thermal depolymerization," the conversion of waste biomass (everything from cow manure to corn husks to waste...
Scott Bieser
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Quoting Scott Bieser on Sun, 02 Oct 2005 12:24:16 -0600: ___Scott Bieser___ I'm surprised no one here has brought up "thermal depolymerization," the ...
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People around here have being making Wisky for years, of course the good illegal stuff is probally selling for 50 bucks a gallon now, maybe more, its been more...
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Well, while I would love to save the planet or save the US from depending on Arab oil I'm not going to hold my breath for me or any mass answer doing that. My...
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I've seen advertisements in Mother Earth News claiming you can make your own biodiesel for $0.70 per gallon. I'm guessing this assumes getting free used...
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I would not advise anyone to make ethanol in the US without a permit. Without the permit you might be considred making drinking ethanol and they may send you...
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Quoting Carlton Hobbs on Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:55:03 -0500: ___terry12622000___ Can I produce either ethanol or other bio fuels for my own and my familes use at...
Scott Bergeson
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Yeah I assume the cost fiqures are for free used fryer oil. 70 cents is at least 2 dollars to 2.30 cents less than diseal, although for now kerosene is about...
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I think you are right that this assumes a free feedstock, which is not unreasonable since restaurants have to pay to have the stuff disposed of. Here's a link...
Jack Shimek
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Oct 13, 2005
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Mike- the real subsidy is not direct but rather indirect as the use of our common asset the sky as a carbon sink beyond the sustainable yield (Locke's...
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Oct 3, 2005
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Kent, As we continue developing our algal biodiesel systems, the economics are looking more and more like it can compete well with petroleum fuels without any...
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He is right about the soy subsidy, which would apply to corn and wheat, peanuts, sugarcane, sugarbeets and dairy in similar fashion. I have a little over 4...
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... Another interesting argument I've seen is by A.E. Lewis on the distributist list, who says pumping oil from the Gulf fields has caused land to subside ...
Kevin Carson
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... Excellent point. Sounds like a simple liability issue to me. The only thing standing in the way of a fair judgement would seem to be a court system willing...
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Very well put. I love your phrase "welfare farmers". I call'em "tax farms". Two points if I may. Number one: I live in Oregon home of the most extensive land...
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