Folks, Some new titles of interest to Irish medievalists, courtesy of Jonathan Batemen of the CBA... MAQQI __________________________________ Cunliffe, Barry,...
Stiof
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Feb 5, 2001 6:15 pm
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Thanks for the tips. Ted Meehan ... From: "Stiof" <maqqi@...> To: "LGI" <Late-Gaelic-Ireland@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:27 AM ...
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Feb 6, 2001 3:04 am
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2/5/2001 List Members, I had attempted several times to send out the message below last week, but it kept being returned. In checking, I note that we need to...
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Feb 6, 2001 3:05 am
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Dia Dhaoibh! Dredging up an old post..... In one of the plates in Derricke's Images of Ireland a native Irish courier giving something to Sidney. The courier...
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Feb 6, 2001 7:02 am
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I've been told that although Derricke visited Ireland, his artists did not. Also, that he'd been back a year or two before he started his project. The strap...
Patrick Timmins
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Feb 6, 2001 10:46 pm
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Hi all, Does anyone know about the practice of slavery in high and late medieval Ireland? According to Giraldus Cambrensis (not an entirely trustworthy...
Maeve B. Callan
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Feb 6, 2001 10:46 pm
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... I am not terribly well versed in Derrickes Images...but I would imagine that he did not just let his artists make things up...or maybe he would. Wouldn't...
Ken Pfrenger
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Feb 6, 2001 11:14 pm
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In the book "Early Medieval Ireland 400-1200" by Daibhi O Croinin, (1995) it states that the 10th and 11th centuries in Ireland saw a growth of slavery and a...
TOM SMITH
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Feb 7, 2001 12:02 am
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Thanks, Tom. I don't have a copy to hand--does DOC provide any documentation for this? Also, just to correct myself, it's not the council of Cashel, but a ...
Maeve B. Callan
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Feb 7, 2001 4:08 am
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Folks, I've been somewhat quiet here (and elsewhere) recently for several reasons. One of these was the setting up of a mailing list dealing with placename...
Stiof
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Feb 7, 2001 12:51 pm
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2/7/2001 MAQQI, a chara, You've opened up a veritable floodgate. Your querry is such that I believe it requires greater care in preparing an answer than can be...
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Feb 7, 2001 1:26 pm
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Interesting question. I had not known that slavery "per se" was in existence in Ireland at all - especially in the timeframe you mention. In reading about the...
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Feb 7, 2001 1:40 pm
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... What the devil is an Anglo? Patrick precedes the Anglo-Saxons, and the only other Anglo I am aware of is a slang term Hispanics use for white, ...
Mark Hall
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Feb 7, 2001 1:44 pm
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... Well, it might have been banned, but they sure didn't keep the ban. Dublin was a thriving slave market, even after the Battle of Clontarf. For...
Mark Hall
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Feb 7, 2001 1:49 pm
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Thanks for your info. Were these slaves Irish, perhaps being sold by Vikings? Or, perhaps Viking captives being sold by Irish? Or, were they Irish slaves being...
Ted Meehan
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Feb 7, 2001 3:44 pm
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Perhaps I mis-spoke when I used the term "Anglo", and I should have checked for the proper term before writing. What I had meant to refer to were the bishops...
Ted Meehan
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Feb 7, 2001 3:46 pm
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... YAHOO! (Sorry, that must be an unpleasant word right now) I've been praying for such a site--Scotland has one, Wales has one, England, too, and there's...
Maeve B. Callan
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Feb 7, 2001 6:11 pm
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Hi Mark, Can you cite any sources for this (slave market)? Would this be primarily the Hiberno-Norse engaging in it? How long after 1014? Also, from what...
Maeve B. Callan
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Feb 7, 2001 6:12 pm
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Hi again Tom, I've gone over my notes from DOC's book, and the only reference I found (though I wasn't really looking for references to slavery when I read...
Maeve B. Callan
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Feb 7, 2001 6:16 pm
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The following sources were quoted (1)Black slaves in Ireland-Fragmentary annals of Ireland, p.120, Joan Radner(ed)1978,Dublin. (2)Slave trade in Dublin-Perdita...
TOM SMITH
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Feb 7, 2001 6:23 pm
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Hi Ted, Thanks for your reply. With all respect, however, I must disagree on a few points. In light of your realization that Patrick was the first to condemn ...
Maeve B. Callan
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Feb 7, 2001 6:30 pm
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There was a slave collar and chain found at Lagore crannog but it was dated before 934 A.D.(see PRIA 53c(1950)p1-248, "Lagore crannog:an Irish royal residence...
TOM SMITH
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Feb 7, 2001 8:55 pm
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At the time of Patrick, the Anglos, or Angles, were not even a factor. The people in Britain were still "Britons". Chuck "While there is a lower class I am in...
Chuck Hamilton
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Feb 7, 2001 10:26 pm
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Didn't Brehon law cover those who owed service and hence were not free, but were they really the same as "slaves"? What is the Irish word and what does it...
marie connors heard
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Feb 7, 2001 10:27 pm
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2/7/2001 Maeve, a chara, Your information is interesting, and I am woefully incompetent to debate issues related to the existence of slavery in Ireland between...
tmeehan@...
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Feb 7, 2001 10:27 pm
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Another mail resulting from that Rolf Loeber book... Here's a quote, from page 78: "The question of the frontier was not just a physical boundary, but also one...
Stiof
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Feb 7, 2001 10:52 pm
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So were the Palesmen described during the 1570s... Despite this (their adherence as a whole to Roman Catholicism as opposed to Reformation ideals) they...
Stiof
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Feb 7, 2001 10:52 pm
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... Hi Maeve, The other references on the slave trade in Dublin (the Holm article is probably the best starting reference) is Pat Wallace's articles in VIKING...
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Feb 7, 2001 11:55 pm
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... to debate ... 5th and ... this had ... Irish Saved ... Be real careful using this book. Both the AMERICAN HISTORICAL REVIEW and SPECULUM have in depth...
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Feb 7, 2001 11:59 pm
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Hello Listers: I'm a new guy on the list and would like to add some comments on the topic and ask a few questions. The O'Domhnallain (Donnellan/Donelan and ...
