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One more piece of anecdotal evidence that having a detailed LP platform is a good thing: "Eventually I abandoned the Libertarian party, because frankly they ...
Starchild
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Feb 4, 2009
2:38 am
4651
When did that person leave the Party and what if the issue that is most most important is abortion (or worse yet, bank regulation)? Mik ... From: Starchild To:...
M&M Robertson
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Feb 4, 2009
4:14 am
4652
Starchild, that's not so much evidence as it is a rain check for evidence. :-) He doesn't tell us on what issues he couldn't figure out our position....
Brian Holtz
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Feb 4, 2009
4:22 am
4653
Brian, We don't know whether the commenter left the LP before the platform was gutted in Portland, so my point was not to compare the 2008 and 2004 platforms,...
Starchild
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Feb 4, 2009
5:27 am
4654
I don't know the answer to your question. Of course it is certainly possible the person wouldn't have agreed with us in any case -- but it's also possible...
Starchild
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Feb 4, 2009
5:32 am
4655
And if that person did agree with the platform position, there may have been dozens who would disagree with that position and leave the Party. If the LP is all...
M&M Robertson
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Feb 4, 2009
1:52 pm
4656
You seriously think that wasting time and space on that sort of minutiae is going to attract people in a time of mass layoffs, severe fiscal irresponsibility,...
Thom Gray
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Feb 4, 2009
2:33 pm
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It seems like all of those issues are better addressed at the state and local level, and don't need to be addressed in a national platform. Would a national...
M&M Robertson
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Feb 4, 2009
3:59 pm
4658
... I agree. I would prefer a _somewhat_ stronger and more specific platform, and Starchild's examples are not very helpful in making that case. Holtz asked...
Stephen Dow
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Feb 4, 2009
5:13 pm
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Stephen, the complaint that Starchild forwarded said "taking NO stance on an issue is as important a reason to object to someone as taking a stance I disagree...
Brian Holtz
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Feb 4, 2009
7:17 pm
4660
Thom, When somebody's just lost his or her job or is going through a home foreclosure, yes, I think they can get pretty angry and upset about receiving a...
Starchild
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Feb 4, 2009
8:06 pm
4661
Mik, I think the question you raise about what will inspire people to promote individual liberty is a good one (I made it the subject line of this post). But I...
Starchild
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Feb 4, 2009
9:05 pm
4662
... If "comprehensive" means we're going to list every gripe every libertarian has against every level of government, then you judge me correctly if you think...
Thom Gray
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Feb 4, 2009
9:45 pm
4663
Brian, Just because our platform says "We oppose any form of compulsory national service," that doesn't mean that the details of where we stand on different...
Starchild
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Feb 4, 2009
10:35 pm
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Thom, Thank you for complimenting my intelligence, but I was not being satirical. I feel strongly that no legitimate pro-freedom issue should be dismissed as...
Starchild
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Feb 4, 2009
11:03 pm
4665
I think there can be big differences of opinions as to what constitutes initiation of force. Some people think any taxation is initiation of force. Some think...
M&M Robertson
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Feb 5, 2009
1:58 am
4666
Good points Starchild! However, I think in making them you've actually made Brian's point. To address the issues in the detail you suggest would take volumes....
M&M Robertson
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Feb 5, 2009
3:29 am
4667
Starchild wrote: Talking about specifics shows not only technical competence, but a laudable willingness to go out on a limb and be held accountable. Amen,...
Dave Dellinger
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Feb 5, 2009
3:52 am
4668
Mik, Thank you! In response to your question, "What good is having a platform if it is too long for anyone to bother reading?" I ask you, "What good is having...
Starchild
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Feb 5, 2009
6:48 am
4669
Starchild, my answer to each of your "compulsory national service" questions is no, it doesn't mean that. Except for competition from non-humans, each of your...
Brian Holtz
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Feb 5, 2009
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4670
After reading this thread and as the chair of the TXLP Platform Committee, I thought it necessary to throw in my opinion. I am not directing this to the...
K Tunstall
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Feb 5, 2009
4:55 pm
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K, So you think laws against nudity are OK if that's what's wanted by most people in a particular jurisdiction -- or to be more accurate, if that's what the...
Starchild
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Feb 5, 2009
7:11 pm
4672
While I'm a proponent of radical decentralism in government, I think the LPUS should present libertarianism as a comprehensive set of principles that apply to...
Brian Holtz
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Feb 5, 2009
8:43 pm
4673
There is nothing wrong with the national platform enunciating general principles that can apply to all levels of government. The problem comes when we take a...
Jon Roland
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Feb 6, 2009
5:01 pm
4675
Are there any federal laws against nudity? No. Therefore inclusion of such statements in the national platform is not germane to national public policy. Read...
K Tunstall
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Feb 6, 2009
7:08 pm
4676
... Because the state is involved in areas that it should not, like roads, and schooling etc; it is necessary to treat the state more as a property manager...
Howard Pearce
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Feb 6, 2009
7:41 pm
4678
... and schooling etc; it is necessary to treat the state more as a property manager than simply as a judicial/law institution. And they did so in our state by...
K Tunstall
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Feb 6, 2009
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KT, The question of what constitutes aggression is certainly a worthy one of discussion -- it is one of the most important questions we can ask when trying to...
Starchild
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Feb 8, 2009
12:42 am
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Jon, In cases where the national U.S. government has no jurisdiction, we could advocate, as a transitional step until such funding can be eliminated entirely,...
Starchild
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Feb 8, 2009
1:05 am
4681
... It is unconstitutional for the central government to try to evade a lack of delegated power by withholding funds from states to get them to do what it...
Jon Roland
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Feb 8, 2009
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