Another News article:

New Rail Service Agreement Reached
By Sam Cramer
Jamestown Post Journal.

Gov. George E. Pataki announced the Southern Tier extension rail line will
soon be operated by the Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad, a
subsidiary of the Livonia, Avon and Lakeview Railroad.

The new rail line will interchange freights with Norfolk Southern and other
connecting lines and will recieve $2 MILLION TO UPGRADE TRACKS AND REOPEN
SERVICE.

The rail line is between Hornell and Corry, a distance of about 142 miles,
and is a former Conrial line that is owned by Norfolk Southern. At this
time, the service is provided only between Olean and Jamestown. The segment
between Olean and Hornell has been out of service since the early 1990's.

As part of the conrail sale process, Norfolk Southern, the State
Transportation Department and Southern Tier West Regional Planning and
Development Board acting on the behalf of Cattaraugus, Chautauqua, Allegany
and Steuben counties agreed in 1998 to preserve continued service to
existing customers and to any new customers locating on the line in return
for property tax relief.



Lester A. Wilson, III
Solution Debug Engineer
Xerox Corporation
GSG - Xerox Integrated Solutions and Support
Mailstop: 0834-03W
300 Canal View Blvd.
Rochester, NY 14623
E-mail: lester.wilson@...
Phone: (716) 231-0878 / 8*221-0878

I know this is kinda early to ask about or think
about, but I was wondering what frequencies they
must use on this line? I know that they use 160.83
up here in Rochester area and I think they use
161.370 in Victor,NY, I have no idea what they use
down in Bath,NY? So just a though I had during
part of my boring day. :)

Ken

Curiousity got the best of me, and so I just called the office to see
if they'd be running north to Rochester tomorrow. They most likely
will not, as they went today and plan to go up on Thursday. Damn the
luck, today was sunny and I had four classes. I have none tomorrow
and was thinking of possibly going up north again. I guess not. :) At
least the LAL is something that I will soon have covered well in my
collection...

----- Original Message -----

From: KennyG

To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:28 PM

Subject: Re: [LAL_RAIL] LAL to operate the NS Hornell-Corry line

yes it dose!


--- danandellen <danandellen@...> wrote:
> Does this line go through the town of Cattaraugus?
>
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Wilson <nessman@...>
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [LAL_RAIL] LAL to operate the NS
> Hornell-Corry line
>
>
> >Nothing in the STB's website about this yet.
> >
> >
> >- - -
> >Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
> >nessman@...
> >- - -
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> >
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>



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----- Original Message -----

From: KennyG

To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:28 PM

Subject: Re: [LAL_RAIL] LAL to operate the NS Hornell-Corry line

yes it dose!


--- danandellen <danandellen@...> wrote:
> Does this line go through the town of Cattaraugus?
>
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Wilson <nessman@...>
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [LAL_RAIL] LAL to operate the NS
> Hornell-Corry line
>
>
> >Nothing in the STB's website about this yet.
> >
> >
> >- - -
> >Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
> >nessman@...
> >- - -
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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To those LAL fans out there,  ErieValley Video has a nice tape of LAL
operations.

I have his LAL video as well as his FGLK video.

I have to say while it is labeled as an amateur video, it was just as
professional, or better tham many pro videos that I have seen.

It is available at
Lake City Hobby  501 EXCHANGE ST. GENEVA, NY 14456      (Next to the movie
theatre downtown)
     M-Sat 10-5 , Thursday till 9
         315-781-6397

Or direct from the maker :
ErieValley Video : http://hometown.aol.com/erievalley/VIDEOWEB.html

I am not connected to either party. I just love the video.



Alan Larsson                KC2GOC / NYSING-305
                      http://way.to/alstown
Webmaster,     Genesee & Ontario N-Gineers N-Trak
                  http://www.ggw.org/gno

I left Ithaca at 0615 hours in the AM, so I was making a good bet
noone would be in the office then! Apparently it was a last-minute
decision to cancel the train. Oh well, that's the only thing I wanted
to do today anyways. Unfortunately we probably we won't see the sun
for another two months now!

Brian

--- In LAL_RAIL@y..., "Les Wilson" <nessman@r...> wrote:
> Give them a call before heading out to see what they have running
that day.
> They're a friendly road - so shouldn't be a problem.
>
>
> - - -
> Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
> nessman@r...
> - - -
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bottleneckguitar@h... [mailto:bottleneckguitar@h...]
> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:54 PM
> > To: LAL_RAIL@y...
> > Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Today's trip to Lakeville
> >
> >
> > Since today was going to be a nice day, I figured I'd take a stab
at
> > doing the LA&L. As most people know, M-W-F is not a given but the
> > normal operating schedule for the CSX interchange job. Long story
> > short, the train got cancelled today and my hour/45 min. drive was
> > made less rewarding. Still had some fun photographing the S1
drilling
> > cars around the shops area, but it wasn't worth sticking around
for
> > all day long. GTI C424m 452 is now parked beside the shops
building
> > coupled to the plow and ballast cars. The four Centuries and RS1
were
> > inside the shops, unfortunately(not that isn't always this way!).
I
> > didn't go into downtown Lakeville to check on the stray unrebuilt
> > C424m, which may or may not be in the shops now as we speak. I'm
> > hungry to get back again, and it damn well better be on a day they
> > are running!
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > LAL_RAIL-unsubscribe@y...
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Give them a call before heading out to see what they have running that day.
They're a friendly road - so shouldn't be a problem.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bottleneckguitar@... [mailto:bottleneckguitar@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:54 PM
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Today's trip to Lakeville
>
>
> Since today was going to be a nice day, I figured I'd take a stab at
> doing the LA&L. As most people know, M-W-F is not a given but the
> normal operating schedule for the CSX interchange job. Long story
> short, the train got cancelled today and my hour/45 min. drive was
> made less rewarding. Still had some fun photographing the S1 drilling
> cars around the shops area, but it wasn't worth sticking around for
> all day long. GTI C424m 452 is now parked beside the shops building
> coupled to the plow and ballast cars. The four Centuries and RS1 were
> inside the shops, unfortunately(not that isn't always this way!). I
> didn't go into downtown Lakeville to check on the stray unrebuilt
> C424m, which may or may not be in the shops now as we speak. I'm
> hungry to get back again, and it damn well better be on a day they
> are running!
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> LAL_RAIL-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Next time you go, call them directly. They'll be glad
to let you know whats going on.

Ken
--- bottleneckguitar@... wrote:
> Since today was going to be a nice day, I figured
> I'd take a stab at
> doing the LA&L. As most people know, M-W-F is not a
> given but the
> normal operating schedule for the CSX interchange
> job. Long story
> short, the train got cancelled today and my hour/45
> min. drive was
> made less rewarding. Still had some fun
> photographing the S1 drilling
> cars around the shops area, but it wasn't worth
> sticking around for
> all day long. GTI C424m 452 is now parked beside the
> shops building
> coupled to the plow and ballast cars. The four
> Centuries and RS1 were
> inside the shops, unfortunately(not that isn't
> always this way!). I
> didn't go into downtown Lakeville to check on the
> stray unrebuilt
> C424m, which may or may not be in the shops now as
> we speak. I'm
> hungry to get back again, and it damn well better be
> on a day they
> are running!
>
> Brian
>
>

Since today was going to be a nice day, I figured I'd take a stab at
doing the LA&L. As most people know, M-W-F is not a given but the
normal operating schedule for the CSX interchange job. Long story
short, the train got cancelled today and my hour/45 min. drive was
made less rewarding. Still had some fun photographing the S1 drilling
cars around the shops area, but it wasn't worth sticking around for
all day long. GTI C424m 452 is now parked beside the shops building
coupled to the plow and ballast cars. The four Centuries and RS1 were
inside the shops, unfortunately(not that isn't always this way!). I
didn't go into downtown Lakeville to check on the stray unrebuilt
C424m, which may or may not be in the shops now as we speak. I'm
hungry to get back again, and it damn well better be on a day they
are running!

Brian

I have various maps on my website:
http://go.to/rochester_railfan

Look for the Steam Powered Video Atlas map I have (big download).


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scot [mailto:scottychaos@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:31 PM
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Re: WNYP
>
>
> Does anyone know of an on-line map that shows these lines??
> I would like to see all these various lines (NS, B&P etc..)
> thanks
> Scot
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Does anyone know of an on-line map that shows these lines??
I would like to see all these various lines (NS, B&P etc..)
thanks
Scot

I'm sure they'll secure some funding from the state and feds - most
shortlines are able to do so for infrastructure upgrades.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: KennyG [mailto:KennyG716@...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 10:39 PM
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LAL_RAIL] WNYP
>
>
> You know, I didn't think that the LA&L had that much
> capital to use on rebuilding a railroad, but I guess
> they do! My only question is, WHERE?
> I would have never have guessed that the LA&L would be
> the one's to operate the Olean Secondary. I would have
> thought that the B&P (G&W) would be more able to
> operate the Olean Sec.
>
> Ken
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>
>

You know, I didn't think that the LA&L had that much
capital to use on rebuilding a railroad, but I guess
they do! My only question is, WHERE?
I would have never have guessed that the LA&L would be
the one's to operate the Olean Secondary. I would have
thought that the B&P (G&W) would be more able to
operate the Olean Sec.

Ken

yes it dose!


--- danandellen <danandellen@...> wrote:
> Does this line go through the town of Cattaraugus?
>
> Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Les Wilson <nessman@...>
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [LAL_RAIL] LAL to operate the NS
> Hornell-Corry line
>
>
> >Nothing in the STB's website about this yet.
> >
> >
> >- - -
> >Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
> >nessman@...
> >- - -
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
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Does this line go through the town of Cattaraugus?

Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Wilson <nessman@...>
To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: [LAL_RAIL] LAL to operate the NS Hornell-Corry line


>Nothing in the STB's website about this yet.
>
>
>- - -
>Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
>nessman@...
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>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>

Les, those engines have been moved a while now. I
have no idea where they are? I did go by the shop
last weekend and all I saw there was a snowplow.
So they might be inside being worked on.

Ken
--- Les Wilson <nessman@...> wrote:
> I've created a page for the WNYP on the Greater
> Rochester Railfan Page at:
> http://go.to/rochester_railfan
>
> Information, obviously, is going to be sparse.  But
> I did scan the page from
> the 1996 Conrail timetable for this line and is
> linked in there.
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
>
> - - -
> Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
> nessman@...
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>
>

I've created a page for the WNYP on the Greater Rochester Railfan Page at:
http://go.to/rochester_railfan

Information, obviously, is going to be sparse.  But I did scan the page from
the 1996 Conrail timetable for this line and is linked in there.

Enjoy!



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Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
nessman@...
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Nothing in the STB's website about this yet.


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Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
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From the Buffalo News

New line will haul freight on old Erie Railroad tracks

By DONNA SNYDER
Cattaraugus Correspondent
2/9/01


SALAMANCA - Beginning in April, the Western New York & Pennsylvania Railroad
will begin hauling freight across the Southern Tier on the historic former
151-year-old Erie Railroad line.
On Thursday, the Southern Tier Railroad Authority and Norfolk Southern Corp.
agreed to amend a 1998 contract to maintain freight service over the
145-mile line from Hornell west to the Pennsylvania state line and to Corry,
Pa.

The agreement calls for Norfolk Southern to convey ownership of the line to
the rail authority for nine years. During that time, the line will pay no
property taxes. In 2011, the line will revert to Norfolk Southern and be
back on the tax rolls.

The tax abatement will be in effect this fall when school taxes are due.

"As a result of the abatement, Norfolk Southern will have several years to
make the line viable again without the albatross of a big property tax
bill," said Donald R. Rychnowski, director of the Southern Tier West
Regional Planning Board, which has worked to save the line for more than a
decade.

"Local taxing jurisdictions will see the first effect of any abatement
starting in 2001 for school taxes and 2002 for town, city and county taxes,"
Rychnow-
ski said. "After the abatement period ends, municipalities will again see
the property tax revenue from the line, as opposed to its total loss if the
line was abandoned."

Last month, the superintendents of seven school districts along the rail
line asked the authority for help because of the tax revenue they will lose
for the next nine years. Up to $690,000 will be lost annually by schools
along the line, including around $126,614 for the Olean School District.

Superintendents agreed to work with the railroad authority and the state to
foster economic development along the line to increase tax bases.

"This strategy has been the subject of intense review and negotiations over
many years, and we feel this is in the best long-term interests of
southwestern New York and northwestern Pennsylvania," said County Legislator
Gerard Fitzpatrick of Ellicottville, chairman of the railroad authority.

The agreement allows Norfolk Southern to sublease operating rights for the
line to the newly created Western New York & Pennsylvania Railroad, a wholly
owned subsidiary of the Livonia, Avon and Lakeville Railroad Corp.

Headquarters for the short line are in Lakeville, just off Route 15, south
of Avon. It serves shippers north to Rochester and has been operating since
1964. It has around 15 employees and 11 engines.

Vice President William Burt, who is also a stockholder, said: "We see
significant potential in the area where businesses are located, particularly
in Jamestown. In April, we will begin rehabilitation and track repairs."

A priority is to repair the line west from Steamburg to Jamestown, where
trains are now limited to 10 mph because track conditions. It must be
increased to 25 mph, Burt said.

Engines and crews will be based in Jamestown, Burt said. He said anyone
interested in working for the railroad or on a rehab crew should contact him
at the new railroad.

Through a connection along the Norfolk Southern line at Waterboro - near
Kennedy - the New York & Lake Erie Railroad of Gowanda will be able to ship
over the Southern Tier main line, and the opposite will be true as the NY&LE
offers a northbound connection to the Buffalo area.


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Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
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I am not sure what business are still out there, but I am sure there
will be a couple that will start getting railroad service. The mention
of the B&P with the SD-45's, all you would have to do is get a pig train
and you are going back to the days of NY100 and NY99!!  But I don't care
what power is moving over the Meadville line, as long trains are running
again. Good luck Bill Burt. Lets hope he has no problems with the
washouts.

----- Original Message -----

From: Les Wilson

To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:08 AM

Subject: RE: [LAL_RAIL] 3rd Message

Better yet... Alco's on the Tier!!  Some of them are ex-Erie too! (assuming
that they're going to be using them).

Any one know if the two stored C424m's are going to be heading into the shop
soon?


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rws13@... [mailto:rws13@...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 8:22 AM
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LAL_RAIL] 3rd Message
>
>
>      For me it is going to be nice to see trains going over the
> hill west of Hornell. The ERIE is (will be) alive again!   One
> question though, how will NS interchange with them at Hornell? NS
> run a local out of Elmira?
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>



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Better yet... Alco's on the Tier!!  Some of them are ex-Erie too! (assuming
that they're going to be using them).

Any one know if the two stored C424m's are going to be heading into the shop
soon?


- - -
Les Wilson - Spencerport, NY
nessman@...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rws13@... [mailto:rws13@...]
> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 8:22 AM
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LAL_RAIL] 3rd Message
>
>
>      For me it is going to be nice to see trains going over the
> hill west of Hornell. The ERIE is (will be) alive again!   One
> question though, how will NS interchange with them at Hornell? NS
> run a local out of Elmira?
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> LAL_RAIL-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
>

For me it is going to be nice to see trains going over the hill west of
Hornell. The ERIE is (will be) alive again!   One question though, how will NS
interchange with them at Hornell? NS run a local out of Elmira?

This is great news about LA&L expanding their NY state trackage. It
can only mean further increased stimulation of rail traffic, and an
increase in local film sales as railfans follow the sights, sounds
and smells of the railway's preferred ALCO power! It should be great
to see C424ms, the presumed motive power choice for the new
operation, running the rails of southwestern New York. Thanks for
starting this list Les.

Brian Plant, certified ALCO nut

The LAL_RAIL group's first message!


From the Jamestown Post-Journal
February 9, 2001

Rail Service For Region To Expand

By SHARON TURANO
SALAMANCA - Twelve years of struggling to keep rail service on-track in the
Southern Tier has successfully come to the end of the line.

Bill Burt's Western New York and Pennsylvania Railroad has been named
short-line operator for the Hornell-to-Corry Southern Tier Extension, it was
announced during a meeting Thursday of the region's Rail Authority board of
directors.

Not only will the operators run the track, but, it also was announced, they
will restore the full line so it is completely operational by December 2002.

Phase 1A of Burt's plan to upgrade the rail service will occur in the first
90 days after the deal is closed, which is expected to happen by the end of
February. At that time, Western New York and Pennsylvania will operate the
Olean-to-Jamestown line as is and undertake initial rehabilitation of the
Corry-to-Jamestown segment.

Phase 1B, to be done during the second half of this year, will be to shift
Jamestown traffic to a Meadville-Corry-Jamestown routing, which is expected
to improve local service.

Rehabilitation will continue between Corry and Olean, along with repairs to
washouts in Allegany County. Grade crossing and bridge issues will be
undertaken.

Phase 2, set for December 2001, will be to notify Norfolk Southern that
Corry-to-Olean is open for haulage and or trackage-rights trains, while
rehabilitation of track between Olean and Hornell will begin.

Phase 3 in December 2002 will open the entire route for haulage and
trackage-rights trains.

Burt said he has served as a rail consultant for Southern Tier West since
1992, and understands the opportunities and risks associated with the
operation of the local rail line.

''It has the potential to do more business and make other businesses more
competitive,'' he said. It will be his job, he said, to find a way to make
the line more attractive to businesses. He said he plans to do that by
paying attention to local customers from a Jamestown-based office.

Burt said the line will be a challenge in the first years but expects that,
in less than five years, it will have daily service. He said the first-year
operating loss is projected at $290,919, with positive income expected by
the third year of operation.

Rail authority members Thursday also adopted, renewed and amended a 1998
agreement with Norfolk Southern to lease the line for nine years. During
that time, about $1.4 million in taxes throughout Chautauqua, Cattaraugus,
Allegany and Steuben Counties will be abated. At the end of the nine years,
the rail line will revert to Norfolk Southern ownership from the authority
and be subject to taxation.

Other terms and conditions of the agreement were not disclosed.

''This strategy has been the subject of intense review and negotiations over
many years, and we feel that this is in the best long-term interest of
southwestern New York and northwestern Pennsylvania,'' said Jess
Fitzpatrick, Rail Authority chair and Cattaraugus County Legislature
chairman. ''We believe that what we have done today will pave the way for
significant economic development and jobs in our region.''

Fitzpatrick is not the only one who thinks so.

''It's a really important day for us,'' said Southern Tier West Executive
Director Don Rychnowski. He called the step ''a beginning.'' However, he
said, officials must work to attract businesses for the line.

''It doesn't work just to have a railroad,'' he said. The ultimate goal is
to replace taxes and revive the economy.

Bill Ingram of Norfolk Southern said choosing a shortline operator and
settling the agreement are ''progressive steps.'' Now, he said, work must
begin on building businesses along the line.

''It's a historic event,'' said Fred Larson, Chautauqua County attorney and
Rail Authority member. Not only will firms such as Falconer-based Monofrax
continue to be served by the line, but rail service can also be used as ''an
economic development tool,'' Larson said.

The meeting was attended by representatives of Congressman Amo Houghton,
Sen. Charles Schumer, Sen. Hillary Clinton, Representative Jack Quinn and by
officials from Norfolk Southern, Chautauqua County government, Cattaraugus
County government, Empire State Development, the Seneca Nation of Indians,
Southern Tier West and the New York State Department of Transportation.

''It's a remarkable accomplishment,'' said Chet Lunner of Houghton's office.
The meeting drew ''the greatest concentration of political power north of
the beltway,'' Lunner said.

He said the presence of the representatives demonstrated a serious
commitment to ''make happen what we can'' in Washington to advance local
rail service on the Southern Tier.

The Western New York & Pennsylvania R.R., LLC is a wholly-owned subsidiary
of the Livonia, Avon & Lakeville R.R. Corporation. William D. (Bill) Burt is
VP and General Manager of the LAL and President of the WNYP.


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