David,

The 424 has a Nathan P5 and the 421 has a Nathan K5LA. I assume you know
these do change as horns fail from time to time. Older photos show the
424 with a Nathan P3.

Chris Guss

All,

I want to add sound decoders to two of my engines and was wondering if any of
you could let me know what style of horns the following engines have:

LAL #424

WNYP #421

Thanks in advance for your help.

David

Eastbound coal train NS 524 9568-9300-9389 passed Olean at 1245hrs.


                                     M Bosko

Thanks, Jason. I'd checked the line a few months back and noticed that the
siding had been taken out where the old facility was...

Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@...>
To: <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Re: Enough potential for an Oil City customer?


> Pennywell is in the former Pennzoil warehouse along SR-8.  They are
> spotting the Brine Water cars on the main where the former loading racks
> for Pennzoil were.  Just before the bridge over Oil Creek.  They removed
> the siding a couple of years ago.
>
> Jason
>
> --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Van Sant" <keester@...> wrote:
>>
>> On what siding have they been unloading the Brine Water, Jason? I'm also
>> not
>> familiar with where Pennywell Sandblasting is...
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@...>
>> To: <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:38 AM
>> Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Re: Enough potential for an Oil City customer?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Ya its been in for a few months.  You may have over looked it because
>> > the
>> > ballast is likely still not tamped even though they have had the tamper
>> > and spreaders up in Rouseville several times this summer.  I drive past
>> > this area every night and morning to and from work.
>> >
>> > I also forgot to mention they have been doing alot of track work behind
>> > Merisol up by the McClintlock well.
>> >
>> > Jason
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Also they put in that new siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet
>> >> to
>> >> see it being used."
>> >>
>> >> Is the siding in?  I didn't get a real good look, but it looked like
>> >> it
>> >> was still just the switch with no actual siding yet a few weeks ago.
>> >> Like I said, I didn't get a real good look.
>> >>
>> >> --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >    I would say anything is possible with this line.  The have the
>> >> > Brine
>> >> > Water offloading going on now in Rouseville as well as the random
>> >> > Gondola showing up at Pennywell Sandblasting for loading.  Also they
>> >> > put in that new siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to see
>> >> > it
>> >> > being used.
>> >> >
>> >> >    There is still some odd stuff going on in the old Pennzoil land.
>> >> > Lots of surveying and big toys playing in the dirt.  There have been
>> >> > a
>> >> > bunch of ladles sitting behind the fence for a while now.  They also
>> >> > re-coated the parking lot last summer and painted new lines.
>> >> >
>> >> >  Jason Sider
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
http://www.thederrick.com/news/2009-10-20/Front_Page/Schake_to_expand_in_OC_indu\
strial_park.html
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Just curious if this would be worth a relay of the old Salamanca
>> >> > > Branch into the old Oil Well Supply if they are expanding
>> >> > > business?
>> >> > > Maybe relay the other leg of the wye on the bridge too? :-)  It
>> >> > > says
>> >> > > that they are expanding into the former Electrolly, but if they
>> >> > > are a
>> >> > > painting, sandblasting, fabrication, AND welding business that is
>> >> > > that big, surely some traffic could move on rail between either ot
>> >> > > both places?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere
>> >> > > else on the WNYP to turn a loco?
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > For more information:
>> >
>> > Greater Rochester Railfan Page
>> > http://www.rochester-railfan.net
>> >
>> > Livonia Avon and Lakeville Railroad Corporation:
>> > http://www.lalrr.com
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > This list is not affiliated with the Livonia Avon and Lakville Railroad
>> > Corporation in any way nor does it reflect the views and opinions of
>> > the
>> > company, its employees, subsidiaries or customers.
>> >
>> > ---Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> ---
>
> For more information:
>
> Greater Rochester Railfan Page
> http://www.rochester-railfan.net
>
> Livonia Avon and Lakeville Railroad Corporation:
> http://www.lalrr.com
>
> ---
>
> This list is not affiliated with the Livonia Avon and Lakville Railroad
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> company, its employees, subsidiaries or customers.
>
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>
>
>

Additionally they have a string of tank cars stored behind Merisol.

Jason

Pennywell is in the former Pennzoil warehouse along SR-8.  They are spotting the
Brine Water cars on the main where the former loading racks for Pennzoil were. 
Just before the bridge over Oil Creek.  They removed the siding a couple of
years ago.

Jason

--- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Van Sant" <keester@...> wrote:
>
> On what siding have they been unloading the Brine Water, Jason? I'm also not
> familiar with where Pennywell Sandblasting is...
>
> Keith
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@...>
> To: <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:38 AM
> Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Re: Enough potential for an Oil City customer?
>
>
> >
> > Ya its been in for a few months.  You may have over looked it because the
> > ballast is likely still not tamped even though they have had the tamper
> > and spreaders up in Rouseville several times this summer.  I drive past
> > this area every night and morning to and from work.
> >
> > I also forgot to mention they have been doing alot of track work behind
> > Merisol up by the McClintlock well.
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> "Also they put in that new siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to
> >> see it being used."
> >>
> >> Is the siding in?  I didn't get a real good look, but it looked like it
> >> was still just the switch with no actual siding yet a few weeks ago.
> >> Like I said, I didn't get a real good look.
> >>
> >> --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >    I would say anything is possible with this line.  The have the Brine
> >> > Water offloading going on now in Rouseville as well as the random
> >> > Gondola showing up at Pennywell Sandblasting for loading.  Also they
> >> > put in that new siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to see it
> >> > being used.
> >> >
> >> >    There is still some odd stuff going on in the old Pennzoil land.
> >> > Lots of surveying and big toys playing in the dirt.  There have been a
> >> > bunch of ladles sitting behind the fence for a while now.  They also
> >> > re-coated the parking lot last summer and painted new lines.
> >> >
> >> >  Jason Sider
> >> >
> >> > --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
http://www.thederrick.com/news/2009-10-20/Front_Page/Schake_to_expand_in_OC_indu\
strial_park.html
> >> > >
> >> > > Just curious if this would be worth a relay of the old Salamanca
> >> > > Branch into the old Oil Well Supply if they are expanding business?
> >> > > Maybe relay the other leg of the wye on the bridge too? :-)  It says
> >> > > that they are expanding into the former Electrolly, but if they are a
> >> > > painting, sandblasting, fabrication, AND welding business that is
> >> > > that big, surely some traffic could move on rail between either ot
> >> > > both places?
> >> > >
> >> > > Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere
> >> > > else on the WNYP to turn a loco?
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > ---
> >
> > For more information:
> >
> > Greater Rochester Railfan Page
> > http://www.rochester-railfan.net
> >
> > Livonia Avon and Lakeville Railroad Corporation:
> > http://www.lalrr.com
> >
> > ---
> >
> > This list is not affiliated with the Livonia Avon and Lakville Railroad
> > Corporation in any way nor does it reflect the views and opinions of the
> > company, its employees, subsidiaries or customers.
> >
> > ---Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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ALL,

On my way to Titusville on Thursday, I noticed that the WNY&P had set out
several tankers on the new siding in Rouseville.  This is the first action that
I have seen there since they put that in.
 Scott W.




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On what siding have they been unloading the Brine Water, Jason? I'm also not
familiar with where Pennywell Sandblasting is...

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@...>
To: <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Re: Enough potential for an Oil City customer?


>
> Ya its been in for a few months.  You may have over looked it because the
> ballast is likely still not tamped even though they have had the tamper
> and spreaders up in Rouseville several times this summer.  I drive past
> this area every night and morning to and from work.
>
> I also forgot to mention they have been doing alot of track work behind
> Merisol up by the McClintlock well.
>
> Jason
>
>
> --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> "Also they put in that new siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to
>> see it being used."
>>
>> Is the siding in?  I didn't get a real good look, but it looked like it
>> was still just the switch with no actual siding yet a few weeks ago.
>> Like I said, I didn't get a real good look.
>>
>> --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@> wrote:
>> >
>> >    I would say anything is possible with this line.  The have the Brine
>> > Water offloading going on now in Rouseville as well as the random
>> > Gondola showing up at Pennywell Sandblasting for loading.  Also they
>> > put in that new siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to see it
>> > being used.
>> >
>> >    There is still some odd stuff going on in the old Pennzoil land.
>> > Lots of surveying and big toys playing in the dirt.  There have been a
>> > bunch of ladles sitting behind the fence for a while now.  They also
>> > re-coated the parking lot last summer and painted new lines.
>> >
>> >  Jason Sider
>> >
>> > --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
http://www.thederrick.com/news/2009-10-20/Front_Page/Schake_to_expand_in_OC_indu\
strial_park.html
>> > >
>> > > Just curious if this would be worth a relay of the old Salamanca
>> > > Branch into the old Oil Well Supply if they are expanding business?
>> > > Maybe relay the other leg of the wye on the bridge too? :-)  It says
>> > > that they are expanding into the former Electrolly, but if they are a
>> > > painting, sandblasting, fabrication, AND welding business that is
>> > > that big, surely some traffic could move on rail between either ot
>> > > both places?
>> > >
>> > > Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere
>> > > else on the WNYP to turn a loco?
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> ---
>
> For more information:
>
> Greater Rochester Railfan Page
> http://www.rochester-railfan.net
>
> Livonia Avon and Lakeville Railroad Corporation:
> http://www.lalrr.com
>
> ---
>
> This list is not affiliated with the Livonia Avon and Lakville Railroad
> Corporation in any way nor does it reflect the views and opinions of the
> company, its employees, subsidiaries or customers.
>
> ---Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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On Sept 23, 2006, the Knox and Kane sold rides to those at the Marienville
Oktoberfest. The trips ran from the Marienville Station to McCray Siding and
back. They were powered by #39 which shoved open car #604 and coach #7031, and
pulled them back. I was scheduled to work 7AM that day, until 7AM the next day
for EMS in Marienville. I did some "railfanning" on the clock, lol. Now the
dilema, I want to ride! I can't hardly be on the train clear up at McCrays, and
get called out. I call my Supervisor, and he says that I can take a few hours
off IF I can find someone to cover for me. We have a couple of other EMTs that
live in town. I call one, and he says that he will cover for me. I call my
wife and tell her to get her butt up there to ride what could be one of the last
rides out of Marienville with me. She gets there, and we just miss a departure.
Little do we know that the next ride, the one that we get on, will be THE LAST
trip out of Marienville.

Also that day, Sloan Cornell handed his roundhouse keys over to a small group of
very
appreciative railfans. I was looking
through my hard drive, and decided that the photos from inside the roundhouse
were not doing any good just collecting dust on my computer. I placed them in
my RRPA account to share:
http://johngage_51.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=50718

Ya its been in for a few months.  You may have over looked it because the
ballast is likely still not tamped even though they have had the tamper and
spreaders up in Rouseville several times this summer.  I drive past this area
every night and morning to and from work.

I also forgot to mention they have been doing alot of track work behind Merisol
up by the McClintlock well.

Jason


--- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@...> wrote:
>
> "Also they put in that new siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to see
it being used."
>
> Is the siding in?  I didn't get a real good look, but it looked like it was
still just the switch with no actual siding yet a few weeks ago.  Like I said, I
didn't get a real good look.
>
> --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@> wrote:
> >
> >    I would say anything is possible with this line.  The have the Brine
Water offloading going on now in Rouseville as well as the random Gondola
showing up at Pennywell Sandblasting for loading.  Also they put in that new
siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to see it being used.
> >
> >    There is still some odd stuff going on in the old Pennzoil land.  Lots of
surveying and big toys playing in the dirt.  There have been a bunch of ladles
sitting behind the fence for a while now.  They also re-coated the parking lot
last summer and painted new lines.
> >
> >  Jason Sider
> >
> > --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
http://www.thederrick.com/news/2009-10-20/Front_Page/Schake_to_expand_in_OC_indu\
strial_park.html
> > >
> > > Just curious if this would be worth a relay of the old Salamanca Branch
into the old Oil Well Supply if they are expanding business?  Maybe relay the
other leg of the wye on the bridge too? :-)  It says that they are expanding
into the former Electrolly, but if they are a painting, sandblasting,
fabrication, AND welding business that is that big, surely some traffic could
move on rail between either ot both places?
> > >
> > > Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere else on
the WNYP to turn a loco?
> > >
> >
>

"Also they put in that new siding in Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to see it
being used."

Is the siding in?  I didn't get a real good look, but it looked like it was
still just the switch with no actual siding yet a few weeks ago.  Like I said, I
didn't get a real good look.

--- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Jason S" <northernsubpcrr@...> wrote:
>
>    I would say anything is possible with this line.  The have the Brine Water
offloading going on now in Rouseville as well as the random Gondola showing up
at Pennywell Sandblasting for loading.  Also they put in that new siding in
Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to see it being used.
>
>    There is still some odd stuff going on in the old Pennzoil land.  Lots of
surveying and big toys playing in the dirt.  There have been a bunch of ladles
sitting behind the fence for a while now.  They also re-coated the parking lot
last summer and painted new lines.
>
>  Jason Sider
>
> --- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@> wrote:
> >
> >
http://www.thederrick.com/news/2009-10-20/Front_Page/Schake_to_expand_in_OC_indu\
strial_park.html
> >
> > Just curious if this would be worth a relay of the old Salamanca Branch into
the old Oil Well Supply if they are expanding business?  Maybe relay the other
leg of the wye on the bridge too? :-)  It says that they are expanding into the
former Electrolly, but if they are a painting, sandblasting, fabrication, AND
welding business that is that big, surely some traffic could move on rail
between either ot both places?
> >
> > Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere else on
the WNYP to turn a loco?
> >
>

I would say anything is possible with this line.  The have the Brine Water
offloading going on now in Rouseville as well as the random Gondola showing up
at Pennywell Sandblasting for loading.  Also they put in that new siding in
Rouseville by SR-8 but I have yet to see it being used.

    There is still some odd stuff going on in the old Pennzoil land.  Lots of
surveying and big toys playing in the dirt.  There have been a bunch of ladles
sitting behind the fence for a while now.  They also re-coated the parking lot
last summer and painted new lines.

  Jason Sider

--- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@...> wrote:
>
>
http://www.thederrick.com/news/2009-10-20/Front_Page/Schake_to_expand_in_OC_indu\
strial_park.html
>
> Just curious if this would be worth a relay of the old Salamanca Branch into
the old Oil Well Supply if they are expanding business?  Maybe relay the other
leg of the wye on the bridge too? :-)  It says that they are expanding into the
former Electrolly, but if they are a painting, sandblasting, fabrication, AND
welding business that is that big, surely some traffic could move on rail
between either ot both places?
>
> Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere else on the
WNYP to turn a loco?
>

Thanks, Steve - didn't know that...

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: <smtimko@...>
To: <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [LAL_RAIL] Enough potential for an Oil City customer?


> In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:57:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> keester@... writes:
>
> Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere  else on
>> the WNYP to turn a loco?
> ..................
> WNYP has access to the Alstom Plant in Hornell.
>
>
> Once ( I believe only once) we turned a loco in  the plant.
>
> SMT
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> ---
>
> For more information:
>
> Greater Rochester Railfan Page
> http://www.rochester-railfan.net
>
> Livonia Avon and Lakeville Railroad Corporation:
> http://www.lalrr.com
>
> ---
>
> This list is not affiliated with the Livonia Avon and Lakville Railroad
> Corporation in any way nor does it reflect the views and opinions of the
> company, its employees, subsidiaries or customers.
>
> ---Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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In a message dated 10/21/2009 8:57:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
keester@... writes:

Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere  else on
> the WNYP to turn a loco?
..................
WNYP has access to the Alstom Plant in Hornell.


Once ( I believe only once) we turned a loco in  the plant.

SMT






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Nope...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin EMTRailfan" <JohnGage_51@...>
To: <LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:19 PM
Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Enough potential for an Oil City customer?


>
http://www.thederrick.com/news/2009-10-20/Front_Page/Schake_to_expand_in_OC_indu\
strial_park.html
>
> Just curious if this would be worth a relay of the old Salamanca Branch
> into the old Oil Well Supply if they are expanding business?  Maybe relay
> the other leg of the wye on the bridge too? :-)  It says that they are
> expanding into the former Electrolly, but if they are a painting,
> sandblasting, fabrication, AND welding business that is that big, surely
> some traffic could move on rail between either ot both places?
>
> Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere else on
> the WNYP to turn a loco?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> ---
>
> For more information:
>
> Greater Rochester Railfan Page
> http://www.rochester-railfan.net
>
> Livonia Avon and Lakeville Railroad Corporation:
> http://www.lalrr.com
>
> ---
>
> This list is not affiliated with the Livonia Avon and Lakville Railroad
> Corporation in any way nor does it reflect the views and opinions of the
> company, its employees, subsidiaries or customers.
>
> ---Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


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I shot a DFT on Saturday, October 17, unless it was running as another train
(I'm no expert on the WNYP). Ran from Olean to Driftwood and return.

Pics:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=301066
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=301062
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=301063
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=301079

Mike

--- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, Jaggin82@... wrote:
>
> I would say there is a very good chance of a DFT on Tue as one has not run
since Friday. The call for last week were all around 0530.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David P <patch@...>
> To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2009 6:55 pm
> Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Olean today
>
> I showed up at Olean shortly after 1100 today hoping to catch a freight to
either Hornell or Driftwood. However, nothing moved for the next 90 minutes and
someone came out to shutdown several of the units in each of two engine consists
that were parked by the enginehouse, so I presumed there was nothing going on.
>
> I have since been advised that the DFT, when it runs, is now on duty at 0530,
with departure by 0700. Can anyone on this list confirm? Also, is it likely that
a DFT will run on Tuesday, as apparently was the case last week?
>
> Finally, I did hear the WNYP dispatcher talking to a 524 train at about 1245.
The communication involved something about departing O'Neil (sp?) Road headed
for East Columbus. I found a Columbus on the line in Pennsylvania near Corry, so
I didn't stick around. Instead, I went to chase the B&P out of Johnsonburg.
>
> David Patch
> currently in Du Bois, Pennsylvania
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

http://www.thederrick.com/news/2009-10-20/Front_Page/Schake_to_expand_in_OC_indu\
strial_park.html

Just curious if this would be worth a relay of the old Salamanca Branch into the
old Oil Well Supply if they are expanding business?  Maybe relay the other leg
of the wye on the bridge too? :-)  It says that they are expanding into the
former Electrolly, but if they are a painting, sandblasting, fabrication, AND
welding business that is that big, surely some traffic could move on rail
between either ot both places?

Speaking of wyes, other than the Olean diamond, is there anywhere else on the
WNYP to turn a loco?

Did you find out anything on Hornell run .  When I was there the OL-2 ran it at
night.

Bob Jordan

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, David P <patch@...> wrote:

From: David P <patch@...>
Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Re: Olean today
To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:16 AM






 









--- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroup s.com, Jaggin82@... wrote:

>

> I would say there is a very good chance of a DFT on Tue as one has not run
since Friday. The call for last week were all around 0530.

>



OK, thanks. If one hasn't run since Friday I think the odds are good, especially
if the NBER is running stone once a week on Tuesdays.



Since I'm in DuBois right now, I'm going to head over to Emporium and then
follow the line north. If I don't see any signals lined up by the time I get to
Eldred, I'll just go west and try to intercept the B&P again. It's supposed to
be sunny around here this morning but then could up, so whatever I get, I want
to get early.



Any ideas on when the next Hornell train is likely to run?



David Patch

Du Bois, PA




























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D. Patch now reporting DFT at Port Alleghany, 2 units and 14 cars, SB 8:41A.

DK

Patch in field reports: He is in Emporium and sees a signal lined up soutbound
at 8AM. He is hoping for a DFT. Will advise is cell service allows.

DK

--- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, Jaggin82@... wrote:
>
> I would say there is a very good chance of a DFT on Tue as one has not run
since Friday. The call for last week were all around 0530.
>

OK, thanks. If one hasn't run since Friday I think the odds are good, especially
if the NBER is running stone once a week on Tuesdays.

Since I'm in DuBois right now, I'm going to head over to Emporium and then
follow the line north. If I don't see any signals lined up by the time I get to
Eldred, I'll just go west and try to intercept the B&P again. It's supposed to
be sunny around here this morning but then could up, so whatever I get, I want
to get early.

Any ideas on when the next Hornell train is likely to run?

David Patch
Du Bois, PA

--- In LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com, dumb buff <dumbbuff@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091019/NEWS02/310199920
>
> NS train 524

I hope someone gave this cop a ticket.

That is what I found on the DFT(5:00) call,  but I don't think there is any
definate schedule as I was told it was to run the next day but was cancelled due
to lack of traffic.  However, I think the DFT crew will probably still run that
day just do something else.  One day they ran to Cuba and later to Pt
Allegheney.  In other words there is a DFT but does not mean a particular
destination.  The day I did see it run it had two units as compared to more I
have seen in some photos.  What I seemed to find is that Olean is either luck or
determination as showing up early may net you only a plan B or a long wait.

Bob Jordan
Marengo, IL

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, dumb buff <dumbbuff@...> wrote:

From: dumb buff <dumbbuff@...>
Subject: Re: [LAL_RAIL] Olean today
To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 8:56 PM






 





                   http://www.goerie. com/apps/ pbcs.dll/ article?AID= /20091019/
NEWS02/310199920



NS train 524



--- On Mon, 10/19/09, David P <patch@buckeye- access.com> wrote:



From: David P <patch@buckeye- access.com>

Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Olean today

To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroup s.com

Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 6:55 PM



 



I showed up at Olean shortly after 1100 today hoping to catch a freight to
either Hornell or Driftwood. However, nothing moved for the next 90 minutes and
someone came out to shutdown several of the units in each of two engine consists
that were parked by the enginehouse, so I presumed there was nothing going on.



I have since been advised that the DFT, when it runs, is now on duty at 0530,
with departure by 0700. Can anyone on this list confirm? Also, is it likely that
a DFT will run on Tuesday, as apparently was the case last week?



Finally, I did hear the WNYP dispatcher talking to a 524 train at about 1245.
The communication involved something about departing O'Neil (sp?) Road headed
for East Columbus. I found a Columbus on the line in Pennsylvania near Corry, so
I didn't stick around. Instead, I went to chase the B&P out of Johnsonburg.



David Patch



currently in Du Bois, Pennsylvania























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I would say there is a very good chance of a DFT on Tue as one has not run since
Friday. The call for last week were all around 0530.


-----Original Message-----
From: David P <patch@...>
To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2009 6:55 pm
Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Olean today






I showed up at Olean shortly after 1100 today hoping to catch a freight to
either Hornell or Driftwood. However, nothing moved for the next 90 minutes and
someone came out to shutdown several of the units in each of two engine consists
that were parked by the enginehouse, so I presumed there was nothing going on.

I have since been advised that the DFT, when it runs, is now on duty at 0530,
with departure by 0700. Can anyone on this list confirm? Also, is it likely that
a DFT will run on Tuesday, as apparently was the case last week?

Finally, I did hear the WNYP dispatcher talking to a 524 train at about 1245.
The communication involved something about departing O'Neil (sp?) Road headed
for East Columbus. I found a Columbus on the line in Pennsylvania near Corry, so
I didn't stick around. Instead, I went to chase the B&P out of Johnsonburg.

David Patch
currently in Du Bois, Pennsylvania








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091019/NEWS02/310199920

NS train 524

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, David P <patch@...> wrote:

From: David P <patch@...>
Subject: [LAL_RAIL] Olean today
To: LAL_RAIL@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 6:55 PM






 





                   I showed up at Olean shortly after 1100 today hoping to catch
a freight to either Hornell or Driftwood. However, nothing moved for the next 90
minutes and someone came out to shutdown several of the units in each of two
engine consists that were parked by the enginehouse, so I presumed there was
nothing going on.



I have since been advised that the DFT, when it runs, is now on duty at 0530,
with departure by 0700. Can anyone on this list confirm? Also, is it likely that
a DFT will run on Tuesday, as apparently was the case last week?



Finally, I did hear the WNYP dispatcher talking to a 524 train at about 1245.
The communication involved something about departing O'Neil (sp?) Road headed
for East Columbus. I found a Columbus on the line in Pennsylvania near Corry, so
I didn't stick around. Instead, I went to chase the B&P out of Johnsonburg.



David Patch

currently in Du Bois, Pennsylvania































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I showed up at Olean shortly after 1100 today hoping to catch a freight to
either Hornell or Driftwood. However, nothing moved for the next 90 minutes and
someone came out to shutdown several of the units in each of two engine consists
that were parked by the enginehouse, so I presumed there was nothing going on.

I have since been advised that the DFT, when it runs, is now on duty at 0530,
with departure by 0700. Can anyone on this list confirm? Also, is it likely that
a DFT will run on Tuesday, as apparently was the case last week?

Finally, I did hear the WNYP dispatcher talking to a 524 train at about 1245.
The communication involved something about departing O'Neil (sp?) Road headed
for East Columbus. I found a Columbus on the line in Pennsylvania near Corry, so
I didn't stick around. Instead, I went to chase the B&P out of Johnsonburg.

David Patch
currently in Du Bois, Pennsylvania

NS 525 past Waverly and heading to CP Erwins, 18:05.

NS 522 Eastbound---Ordered Conway Yard but didnt not hear a time.
NS522- North Perry @ 130pm

Hello List,

I will be on an assignment for work and will have an opportunity to stop over in
Olean Wednesday 21 October 2009.  I have reviewed the posts in the message
archives, as well as the files.  I will stay over night in Olean, then likely
head down towards Emporium and Williamsport on Thursday.

Any recent changes to the scheduling of when trains run?

Any suggested good photo locations along route, especially Keating grade?

I have not been in this area to watch trains since the mid 1980s, so any info
will be helpful.

Thank you,

Joe Z.
Lahaksa, PA

has there been much coal traffic on the line? i havent heard very much
but also i have not been home much either.