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#8698 From: Paul Havers <haverp@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 7:32 pm
Subject: Worth reading - Polish Newspaper haverp
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http://www.myslpolska.icenter.pl/index.php?menu=kresy

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#8699 From: "Jacek Magda Marcin Jas Marczynscy" <j.marczynski@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 7:45 pm
Subject: Re: Worth reading - Polish Newspaper jacek_marczy...
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In few days in this newspaper on web site will be available article about monument of 14 SS Division Galizien which was unveiled in autumn last year in Lwow near of cemetery ORLAT LWOWSKICH.

Jacek

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Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Worth reading - Polish Newspaper

http://www.myslpolska.icenter.pl/index.php?menu=kresy

Paul

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#8700 From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Wed Mar 3, 2004 11:08 pm
Subject: Welcome Tamara Batory skwisniowski
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Please welcome Tamara Batory to the group.

Tamara, your story is so common amongst members of our group, as our
parents often could not speak of this devastating and often horrific
experience that is sometimes called "The Polish Gehenna"  or literally
"HELL".  (see
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia/surveys?id=10822393 for a
members poll on this naming topic).

I know that you will learn so much just by surfing through our website
links, looking at the files in our FILES archive, the photos and
documents in our image GALLERY and reading some of our archived
messages.

Please feel free to ask the group anything... we like to be a friendly
and supportive family of interest.

By the way, when the war broke out is it likely that your father's
family was in Poland not Ukraine - these "borderlands" (the "Kresy
Wschodnie") only changed hands after the Soviets invaded Poland in 1939
under their alliance with Nazi Germany.

Stefan Wisniowski
(Sydney Australia)
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> From: tamara batory <rthotcooks@...>
> Date: 4 March 2004 09:33:45 GMT+11:00
> To: Kresy-Siberia-owner@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Personal Introduction
>
>  Dear Stefan,
>     Thanks for the letter. I still am interested in the group, sorry
> for the late reply.
>    My name is Tamara Batory, I live in Victoria Canada, I'm 35 years
> old and the reason I'm interested
> in the group is that my father's family were deported from the Polish
> part  of the Ukraine when the war
> broke out and he became a refugee in U.K.  I feel I need to know more
> about this part of my dad's life and
> what could have happened to his family.  Since he never spoke of it at
> all, it is something that I am in
> the dark over.  So Family research I suppose is my main reason.
>     I hope this is sufficient?  Hope to hear from you at some point.
>    Reagrds, tamara Batory
> ________________________________

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#8701 From: "bert_bakker41" <bert_bakker41@...>
Date: Thu Mar 4, 2004 1:54 pm
Subject: Polish forces in the Battle of Arnhem bert_bakker41
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In September, it will be 60 years ago that Operation Marketgarden
took place, the Battle of Arnhem, and the largest airborne operation
ever.

As always, Poles will play a prominent part in its commemoration.

When people consider Polish war exploits during WWII, they
invariably think of brave Polish pilots during the Battle for
Britain and of places like Monte Casino.

It is generally less known that Polish soldiers were instrumental in
the liberation of the Low Countries, in particular the southern part
of the Netherlands.

Each year on 5 May, when the Dutch celebrate their freedom from the
Nazi occupiers, Polish soldiers and their descendants take up a
place of honour in proud recognition of their valiant efforts.
Quite a number of Polish soldiers fell in love with the country,
with Dutch girls or with both, and stayed on when it became obvious
that Poland was being enslaved by the Soviet Union.

During the Battle of Arnhem, paratroopers of the 1st Polish
Independent Parachute Brigade under the command of Major-General SF
Sosabowski were dropped over the battle zone.
Ironically, the Brigade had been formed with the aim of liberating
Poland itself.
But the Allies never allowed it!

There are many interesting websites about the battle of Arnhem.
Some of the most interesting are:
www.fireandfury.com/britinfo/polesarnhem.pdf
www.wingsofliberation.nl/mg-chrono-uk.html
www.marketgarden.com
The latter also contains a Roll of Honour.

Bert Bakker
Nelspruit
South Africa

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#8702 From: Lech Lesiak <lech_lesiak@...>
Date: Thu Mar 4, 2004 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Polish forces in the Battle of Arnhem lech_lesiak
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--- bert_bakker41 <bert_bakker41@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
In September, it will be 60 years ago that Operation
Marketgarden
took place, the Battle of Arnhem, and the largest
airborne operation
ever.
End quote

Funny you should mention it.

I'm in the middle of a book by an American who was a
platoon leader in the 82nd Airborne and was in the
Waal river crossing durning Market Garden - about 15
km from Arnhem.

He writes about how British tanks crossed the Waal
over the bridge his unit took, and stopped on the
other side.

The 82nd people knew that the Polish and British
airborne lads were getting chopped up at Arnhem, and
thought the Brit tankers would head there, but they
didn't.

The Americans were delirious with rage over this lack
of action on the Brits.  One of American officers
sergeants threatened to shoot one of the tank
commanders, and drive it away himself.

The Brits eventually did move off to Arnhem and had
their lead tank nailed by a German 88.  Rather than
pushing the dead tank off the road and continuing,
they returned to the bridghead on the Waal, and
refused to proceed to Arnhem without direct orders to
do so.

This is the opinion of one lowly US junior officer
with a limited view of what was happening.  There
might have been good reason not to send the Brit
tankers to Arnhem.  I don't know enough about Market
Garden to have an informed view.

Czesc,
Leszek
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#8703 From: Paul Havers <haverp@...>
Date: Thu Mar 4, 2004 3:02 pm
Subject: Re: Polish forces in the Battle of Arnhem haverp
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Also a mention should be given to Breda in Holland as it was the Polish Armoured Div that took the town

Paul

At 14:43 04/03/2004, you wrote:

--- bert_bakker41 <bert_bakker41@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
In September, it will be 60 years ago that Operation
Marketgarden
took place, the Battle of Arnhem, and the largest
airborne operation
ever.
End quote

Funny you should mention it.

I'm in the middle of a book by an American who was a
platoon leader in the 82nd Airborne and was in the
Waal river crossing durning Market Garden - about 15
km from Arnhem.

He writes about how British tanks crossed the Waal
over the bridge his unit took, and stopped on the
other side.

The 82nd people knew that the Polish and British
airborne lads were getting chopped up at Arnhem, and
thought the Brit tankers would head there, but they
didn't.

The Americans were delirious with rage over this lack
of action on the Brits. One of American officers
sergeants threatened to shoot one of the tank
commanders, and drive it away himself.

The Brits eventually did move off to Arnhem and had
their lead tank nailed by a German 88. Rather than
pushing the dead tank off the road and continuing,
they returned to the bridghead on the Waal, and
refused to proceed to Arnhem without direct orders to
do so.

This is the opinion of one lowly US junior officer
with a limited view of what was happening. There
might have been good reason not to send the Brit
tankers to Arnhem. I don't know enough about Market
Garden to have an informed view.

Czesc,
Leszek
Edmonton Alberta Kanada
currently in Portland OR where I met Ted Mach

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#8704 From: "bert_bakker41" <bert_bakker41@...>
Date: Thu Mar 4, 2004 9:59 pm
Subject: Re: Polish forces in the Battle of Arnhem bert_bakker41
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--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Paul Havers <haverp@c...>
wrote:
> Also a mention should be given to Breda in Holland as it was the
Polish
> Armoured Div that took the town
>
> Paul
>

You are right, but the liberation of Breda was not part
of 'Operation Marketgarden' (the Battle of Arnhem) which was
essentially the airborne operation to try and seize the Dutch
bridges across the River Rhine and its tributaries.

Each year the southern Dutch city of Breda honours the Polish troops
who liberated it during WWII.

Bert Bakker
Nelspruit
South Africa

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#8705 From: "Jan Prygoda" <j.prygoda@...>
Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 5:54 am
Subject: Arnhem jprygoda
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I was in Arnhem a few years ago with people of the Polish message board (in Dutch). We visited the Airborne museum, some cemetries and the (little) village of Driel which was liberated by Poles. You can notice it in the village because of street names and I think there was a statue or something like that. The most striking was that the other allies had a normal place at the cemetry and the Poles were somewhere on the side of it.

By the way, Breda is not in Holland but in the Netherlands. Just like Cardiff is not England.....

With kind regards,

Jan Prygoda

the Netherlands

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Onderwerp: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Polish forces in the Battle of Arnhem

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, Paul Havers <haverp@c...> wrote: > Also a mention should be given to Breda in Holland as it was the Polish > Armoured Div that took the town > > Paul

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#8706 From: "julek2205" <julian_plowy@...>
Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 6:49 am
Subject: John Dziurszynski julek2205
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John,

As per your request the item you requested have been scanned and
posted as Tengeru Information on the
http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/ site

Julek

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#8707 From: "Wanda Madeyski" <wandamilan@...>
Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: A tall tale or true! wandamilan@...
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I am not sure if the mines near Dudinka were salt mines. My fiance, a pilot
who was later killed flying over France, spent some time there and I believe
that they were nickel mines, not salt mines. I would like to have some first
hand report on what it was like there. Thank you for prompt reply - Wanda M.


>From: "ladbrooke" <ladbrooke@...>
>Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
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>Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] A tall tale or true!
>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:06:32 -0000
>
>Dear Wanda,
>
>Just being nosy, but, would those mines, by any chance, be SALT mines?
>Linder
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Wanda Madeyski
>   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:05 PM
>   Subject: RE: [Kresy-Siberia] A tall tale or true!
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>   To Margaret Dubicki:
>   Dear Margaret: I bet it is a true story treasured in your family. What
>was
>   your father-in-law's name? Was he in Siberia on Yenisei River? I would
>like
>   to contact someone who worked in the mines nr. Dudinka onYenisei.
>Regards -
>   Wanda M.
>
>
>   >From: Margaret Dubicki <yenisei44@...>
>   >Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>   >To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>   >Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] A  tall tale or true!
>   >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:54:07 +0000 (GMT)
>   >
>   >My father-in-law. who was a great military man. always
>   >told his family that once he had lit for Pilsudski,
>   >his cigarette!
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>   >        M. Dubicki, Scotland.
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#8708 From: "Wanda Madeyski" <wandamilan@...>
Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 3:24 pm
Subject: RE: Wanda-re Yenisei River wandamilan@...
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Dear Margaret:
Thank you for your prompt reply. What did your father in law do in the
Krasnoyarski taiga? I was in the Yakutskaya Oblast, first building roads,
then felling trees, then trying to extinguish a forest fire and finally
removing pine tree stumps with long roots. It made me a pretty strong
14-year old!!!
Kindest regards - Wanda M.





>From: Margaret Dubicki <yenisei44@...>
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>Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Wanda-re Yenisei River
>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:01:09 +0000 (GMT)
>
>Dear Wanda, Father-in-law's name was Karol Dubicki but
>he was sent to work in the forests in the Krasnoyarski
>oblast.  The river is near there as far as I know.
>Hope you find what you are looking for.
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#8709 From: "Wanda Madeyski" <wandamilan@...>
Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 3:28 pm
Subject: RE: No virus messages please wandamilan@...
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Dear Stefan:
Sorry didn't know. But my virus came through Kresy-Siberia. Thought the
group should know. Regards - Wanda M.




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>Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] No virus messages please
>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:55:55 +1100
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>A request to all members.  Please do not send virus messages to this
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>Thank you.
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#8710 From: "Zbigniew Bob Styrna" <styrna@...>
Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 4:55 pm
Subject: RE: No virus messages please b_styrna
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In this age, if anyone owns a computer, one "HAS TO" buy and use an
anti-Virus software!!!  I use Norton Utilities. There are others and some
are free.  It is not acceptable not to have such a program!!

Else it is for certain you will get a Virus, Worm or Trojan sooner or later
which will ruin your computer and you'll loose your documents.  Then you'll
INFECT everybody else. Your computer will be the "Virus Host " .  A lot of
times you may not know or notice that you are the Virus Host.  These hackers
are very clever how they disguise and infect the world with their evil
programs.

Once you install and use an Anti-virus, you still have to be religious and
download at least once a week, the new 'Virus Definitions" from the
manufacturer's web site.  Because there are many new viruses worms, etc .
being written by these criminals every day.

It is the best $30 you will spend so please buy and use it.

regards

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Sent: 5 marca 2004 07:28
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Dear Stefan:
Sorry didn't know. But my virus came through Kresy-Siberia. Thought the
group should know. Regards - Wanda M.




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>Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:55:55 +1100
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#8711 From: hsokol@...
Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: Your archive henrysokolowski
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Please read the attached file.

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#8712 From: "henrysokolowski" <hsokol@...>
Date: Fri Mar 5, 2004 10:46 pm
Subject: DO NOT OPEN ATTACHMENT TO MESSAGE 8711 !! henrysokolowski
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I did not post message # 8711. Do not open the attachment and do not
open the attachment if you received this e-mail from "me" directly.

Obviously this virus has gotten through.

Henry, Canada

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#8713 From: "barb_lester2002" <barles@...>
Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 11:48 am
Subject: Message 8689 barb_lester2002
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I did not send this message
Barbara

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#8714 From: "Wladyslaw Milkowski" <wmilkowski@...>
Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: Welcome Wladyslaw Milkowski wladyslawmil...
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Dear Witold

I was deported to a small village about 5 km.south of Semipalatinsk called Zana -Semiej very near the river Irtysz.My mother as all Poles over 14 was working in a brick factory. As far as I remember all of us were deported from Lwow on the 13.4.1940.

Regards

Wladek

London

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Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 6:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome Wladyslaw Milkowski

Wladyslaw,

Your date (13/04/40) and place of deportation (near Semipalatinsk) are the same as mine. I wander, however, whether you remember exactly where you were "near Semipalatinsk. My mother and I were dropped off in Kanonierka, a little village 60 km from Semipalatinsk. I remember also that the village was surrounded on three sides by a rather large lake. Do you have any memories from the region? Are there any good websites from the area?

Witold

The Woodlands, Texas

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Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:47 AM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Welcome Wladyslaw Milkowski

Please welcome Wladyslaw Milkowski to the group. Same cadets year as my father!

Stefan Wisniowski
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From: "Wladyslaw Milkowski" <wmilkowski@...>
Date: 28 February 2004 23:38:40 GMT+11:00

Very briefly, my name is Wladyslaw Milkowski (where l read l with /) . When I was 9 my mother, brother and I were deported on 13.4.1940 from Lwow to Kazakhstan (near Semipalatinsk).In August 1942 we left USSR together with Polish Forces to Persia. Later on to Palestine where my brother and I joined Polish Cadets. In 1947 I arrived in England where I have been living since. My wife is also Polish and our daughter speaks fluent Polish.

Regards.

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#8715 From: "bert_bakker41" <bert_bakker41@...>
Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Polish Forces in the Battle of Arnhem bert_bakker41
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--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Jan Prygoda" <j.prygoda@c...>
wrote:
> I was in Arnhem a few years ago with people of the Polish message
board (in Dutch). We visited the Airborne museum, some cemetries and
the (little) village of Driel which was liberated by Poles. You can
notice it in the village because of street names and I think there
was a statue or something like that. The most striking was that the
other allies had a normal place at the cemetry and the Poles were
somewhere on the side of it.




Dear Jan,

Are you a descendant of a Polish soldier who helped to liberate the
Netherlands?

The memorial which you saw in the Dutch village of Driel is
dedicated to the First Independent Polish Parachute Brigade. It
bears the inscription `Surge Polonia' � Poland Rise, and
a plaque with the names of 94 Polish soldiers who died here during
WWII.

I know from experience of the honour and recognition bestowed upon
Polish forces for their part in the liberation of the Netherlands.
All Polish war veterans who took part in its liberation, were
awarded the freedom of the Dutch city of Breda.
Every year, Polish soldiers take a place of honour at liberation
commemorations all over the country.
Polish Lieutenant-General Stanislaw Maczek (born in Lwov!),
commander of the First Armoured Polish Division which landed in
Normandy in 1944, and who died in Scotland at the ripe old age of
102 years, chose to be interred among his men at the Polish military
cemetery at Breda � the Netherlands.
(In a stunning display of valour, the Polish soldiers of this
Division sealed the fate of the German forces in Normandy. But they
paid a heavy price: 2,300 dead!).

I contacted the official Dutch War Graves Commission for their
comments on your remarks that Polish soldiers were buried
`somewhere on the side', and by implication had `no
normal place' in one of the Dutch cemeteries that you visited.

The Commission denies emphatically that Polish soldiers are buried
separately from others.
Firstly, the Commission says that no Polish soldiers are buried in
the village of Driel; only Commonwealth soldiers.
Secondly, that in all other Dutch war cemeteries, including the
largest one at Oosterbeek near Arnhem, where 1,600 British soldiers
are buried as well as 80 Polish soldiers, no separation whatsoever
has taken place on grounds of nationality.

I felt that I should set the record straight.

Kind regards,

Bert Bakker
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#8716 From: "Jan Prygoda" <j.prygoda@...>
Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Polish Forces in the Battle of Arnhem jprygoda
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I am the son of a Polish soldier who was in Anders Army. He came to the Netherlands in May 1947.

The graves we saw were probably in Oosterbeek. Especially one younger person in the group was surprised to see all Poles buried at the side of the cemetry while all other soldiers had a more prominent and unseperated place. They were working at the cemetry, maybe some things have changed now.

I mail this also to the people who were there with me so that they can confirm what I saw.

With kind regards,

Jan Prygoda

the Netherlands

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Onderwerp: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Polish Forces in the Battle of Arnhem

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Jan Prygoda" <j.prygoda@c...> wrote: > I was in Arnhem a few years ago with people of the Polish message board (in Dutch). We visited the Airborne museum, some cemetries and the (little) village of Driel which was liberated by Poles. You can notice it in the village because of street names and I think there was a statue or something like that. The most striking was that the other allies had a normal place at the cemetry and the Poles were somewhere on the side of it. Dear Jan, Are you a descendant of a Polish soldier who helped to liberate the Netherlands? The memorial which you saw in the Dutch village of Driel is dedicated to the First Independent Polish Parachute Brigade. It bears the inscription `Surge Polonia' � Poland Rise, and a plaque with the names of 94 Polish soldiers who died here during WWII. I know from experience of the honour and recognition bestowed upon Polish forces for their part in the liberation of the Netherlands. All Polish war veterans who took part in its liberation, were awarded the freedom of the Dutch city of Breda. Every year, Polish soldiers take a place of honour at liberation commemorations all over the country. Polish Lieutenant-General Stanislaw Maczek (born in Lwov!), commander of the First Armoured Polish Division which landed in Normandy in 1944, and who died in Scotland at the ripe old age of 102 years, chose to be interred among his men at the Polish military cemetery at Breda � the Netherlands. (In a stunning display of valour, the Polish soldiers of this Division sealed the fate of the German forces in Normandy. But they paid a heavy price: 2,300 dead!). I contacted the official Dutch War Graves Commission for their comments on your remarks that Polish soldiers were buried `somewhere on the side', and by implication had `no normal place' in one of the Dutch cemeteries that you visited. The Commission denies emphatically that Polish soldiers are buried separately from others. Firstly, the Commission says that no Polish soldiers are buried in the village of Driel; only Commonwealth soldiers. Secondly, that in all other Dutch war cemeteries, including the largest one at Oosterbeek near Arnhem, where 1,600 British soldiers are buried as well as 80 Polish soldiers, no separation whatsoever has taken place on grounds of nationality. I felt that I should set the record straight. Kind regards, Bert Bakker Nelspruit South Africa

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#8717 From: "Jan Prygoda" <j.prygoda@...>
Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 9:03 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Polish Forces in the Battle of Arnhem jprygoda
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I remember now that the Poles were aside as it had something to do with the cemetry being foreign property and Poland was not an owner of the soil in which the soldiers were buried.

With kind reagrds,

Jan Prygoda

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Onderwerp: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Polish Forces in the Battle of Arnhem

I am the son of a Polish soldier who was in Anders Army. He came to the Netherlands in May 1947.

I mail this also to the people who were there with me so that they can confirm what I saw.

With kind regards,

Jan Prygoda

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#8718 From: "Elizabeth Olsson" <elzunia@...>
Date: Sat Mar 6, 2004 10:17 pm
Subject: Monastyriok elzuniao
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This message is to all listers who had family at the work camp at Monastyriok, south of Kotlas (Archangelsk area).

Does anyone have an old map showing the exact position of Monastyriok?

Pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

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#8719 From: "Zbigniew Bob Styrna" <styrna@...>
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 12:56 am
Subject: RE: Monastyriok b_styrna
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I looked for old maps, WWII, type, but all I could find is these extremely detailed modern day maps of Russia. The Arkangel Oblast is here:

http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Rusko-Russia/Arkhangelsk/

all the other ones are here:

http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/news.htm

If you don�t have these, then I hope they help you. They are in Russian however.

You can get translation tables at :

http://pages.prodigy.net/l.hodges/translint.htm

So Kotlas would be written as: KOT^AC� �where ^ looks like a pi symbol.

Zbyszek

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To: Kresy-Siberia
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Monastyriok

This message is to all listers who had family at the work camp at Monastyriok, south of Kotlas (Archangelsk area).

Does anyone have an old map showing the exact position of Monastyriok?

Pozdrowienia

Elzunia Olsson

Sweden

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#8720 From: "J Eddis" <eddis_top@...>
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 1:19 am
Subject: Cassino Commemorations May 16-22 eddis_top@...
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Aleks. who was in Signals with Anders HQ during World War II, and I plan to
go to Italy for the 60th anniversary of the Battle of Cassino.  We hope our
younger son, Gregory, will be able to take time off from his project in
Brussels to join us. The celebrations go on for one week, with days
allocated to different nationalities who fought there, including the
Germans.  The day for the Poles to commemorate and remember is Tuesday May
18th but there will be an international parade of all veterans on Friday May
21.
       We are wondering if any other K-S listers will be there.  If so, it
would be good to meet in person.  Let's plan to get together in Cassino.
       On the way back to Canada in early June, we are thinking of stopping
over in London and thereabouts for a week. Again we would be pleased to meet
people there, possibly at POSK. We will give you more definite dates in a
couple of weeks once we confirm our flights.
        Looking forward to meeting more of you in person,

        Joan Eddis-Topolski
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#8721 From: b.davoust@...
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 7:59 am
Subject: Re: Cassino Commemorations May 16-22 bdavoust2
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Joan,
Do you have any idea of what kind of accomodations are possible around there?  I
suppose
everything has been booked for ages already?  How far is it from Rome?  I just
looked on the
map and Cassino looked about halfway between Rome and Naples.

Barbara Davoust
Toulouse, France



On 6 Mar 2004 at 20:19, J Eddis wrote:

> Aleks. who was in Signals with Anders HQ during World War II, and I plan to
> go to Italy for the 60th anniversary of the Battle of Cassino.  We hope our
> younger son, Gregory, will be able to take time off from his project in
> Brussels to join us. The celebrations go on for one week, with days
> allocated to different nationalities who fought there, including the
> Germans.  The day for the Poles to commemorate and remember is Tuesday May
> 18th but there will be an international parade of all veterans on Friday May
> 21.
>       We are wondering if any other K-S listers will be there.  If so, it
> would be good to meet in person.  Let's plan to get together in Cassino.
>
>
>

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#8722 From: "bobski49" <bobski49@...>
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 5:30 pm
Subject: Re: Polish forces in the Battle of Arnhem bobski49
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Dear Bert,
I'm interested to know why the namelist of "Polish refugees to
Africa", that you posted in the albums section is not functioning.A
lot of my family were sent there before coming to the U.K. I'd like
to know more please. and on--- In Kresy-
Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "bert_bakker41" <bert_bakker41@y...> wrote:
> In September, it will be 60 years ago that Operation Marketgarden
> took place, the Battle of Arnhem, and the largest airborne
operation
> ever.
>
> As always, Poles will play a prominent part in its commemoration.
>
> When people consider Polish war exploits during WWII, they
> invariably think of brave Polish pilots during the Battle for
> Britain and of places like Monte Casino.
>
> It is generally less known that Polish soldiers were instrumental
in
> the liberation of the Low Countries, in particular the southern
part
> of the Netherlands.
>
> Each year on 5 May, when the Dutch celebrate their freedom from
the
> Nazi occupiers, Polish soldiers and their descendants take up a
> place of honour in proud recognition of their valiant efforts.
> Quite a number of Polish soldiers fell in love with the country,
> with Dutch girls or with both, and stayed on when it became
obvious
> that Poland was being enslaved by the Soviet Union.
>
> During the Battle of Arnhem, paratroopers of the 1st Polish
> Independent Parachute Brigade under the command of Major-General
SF
> Sosabowski were dropped over the battle zone.
> Ironically, the Brigade had been formed with the aim of liberating
> Poland itself.
> But the Allies never allowed it!
>
> There are many interesting websites about the battle of Arnhem.
> Some of the most interesting are:
> www.fireandfury.com/britinfo/polesarnhem.pdf
> www.wingsofliberation.nl/mg-chrono-uk.html
> www.marketgarden.com
> The latter also contains a Roll of Honour.
>
> Bert Bakker
> Nelspruit
> South Africa

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#8723 From: bobski49@...
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 6:08 pm
Subject: FW: Printing lists bobski49
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>-- Original Message --
>To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Printing lists
>
>
>Dear anyone,
>           Please help.So far I've located 5 members of my family from
the
>lists of Polish evacuees from USSR to Iran in 1942 that are on the "Forgotten
>Odyssey" site. Unfortunately, when I enlarge the relevant page sufficiently
>to read it, i'm unable to print that section. Despite being able to scroll
>up, down,left or right to read the whole contents, The only part that prints
>is the top left section. I've tried to save a page to file & then opened
>it in "photosuite" to enlarge it but obviously not enough pixels in the
>original.
>Bob Szymanski. Edinburgh.


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#8724 From: "Zbigniew Bob Styrna" <styrna@...>
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 6:52 pm
Subject: RE: FW: Printing lists b_styrna
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I've found several members too.

Just "left"  click on the specific page (two times) until you see the
highest resolution image on your screen. Then RIGHT click on the image. A
new windows opens up, now choose "Save Picture As...". A new window opens up
again.  You can now name this file anything you want, and save it as a JPG
file or a BMP.  The file will be around 800Kbytes.
Now you can use windows paint or any other program to zoom in on this saved
file.


http://www.aforgottenodyssey.com/gallery/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName
=PWlist&id=01_2_A0441_B0450

Another way is: To whatever you are viewing on your screen, you can save it
to the "Paste Buffer" by holding down the "Alt" Key and pressing the "Print
Screen SysRq" button. Once the image is in the "Paste Buffer" , then you can
open any application you want, like Word, or Paint, etc.. and paste the
buffer into the document (Ctrl  V).  This gives you limited resolution
however.

I just did it to this page :

Regards
Zbyszek

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From:  bobski49@... [mailto:bobski49@...]
Sent: 7 marca 2004 10:09
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] FW: Printing lists



>-- Original Message --
>To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Printing lists
>
>
>Dear anyone,
>           Please help.So far I've located 5 members of my family from
the
>lists of Polish evacuees from USSR to Iran in 1942 that are on the
"Forgotten
>Odyssey" site. Unfortunately, when I enlarge the relevant page sufficiently
>to read it, i'm unable to print that section. Despite being able to scroll
>up, down,left or right to read the whole contents, The only part that
prints
>is the top left section. I've tried to save a page to file & then opened
>it in "photosuite" to enlarge it but obviously not enough pixels in the
>original.
>Bob Szymanski. Edinburgh.


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#8725 From: "bert_bakker41" <bert_bakker41@...>
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 6:59 pm
Subject: Name List Kresy Refugees Africa and beyond bert_bakker41
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Dear Bob,

I wished I knew....
I just cannot manage to upload the contents which I have scanned on
CD, and have asked our Moderator's help.

In the meantime, I'd be happy to look up names for you.

Kind regards,

Bert Bakker
Nelspruit
South Africa

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "bobski49" <bobski49@t...
wrote:
> I'm interested to know why the namelist of "Polish refugees to
> Africa", that you posted in the albums section is not
> functioning. A lot of my family were sent there before coming to
> the U.K. I'd like to know more please.

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#8726 From: "jurek_wb" <jurek@...>
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: Cassino Commemorations May 16-22 jurek_wb
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I too may be interested in a trip to Cassino although I think
accomodation may well be the problem. Any info would be greatly
appreciated.

I'm also thinking about traveling to Warsaw for the Uprising
commemorations in August. Does anyone have any idea as to what will
be happening apart from the customary candlelit vigil?

Thanks,

Jurek.

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#8727 From: "Zbigniew Bob Styrna" <styrna@...>
Date: Sun Mar 7, 2004 9:06 pm
Subject: BMP vs JPG Name List Kresy Refugees Africa and beyond b_styrna
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Bert,
  It could be your file size is too large.

My scanner is only is capable of saving scanned pictures/documents as BMP
types.  These files are not compressed and extremely large.  BMP file types
are a fixed size.  A normal 8.5 by 11 inch page might be several  Mbytes
depending on scan resolution.  I have some scanned at 600 dots per inch
which are 98Mbytes.

  To email or post files on a web site I always have to change their format
to a JPG type. It'll be good to get it under 1 Mbyte.

Open the BMP file with an application like Adobe Photoshop. Once opened on
your desktop, simply go to "File" , then select, "Save As ...".    A new
window opens up. Now under format, click on the down arrow and select JPG.
Now click on "Save".   A new window pops up and now you can select how much
compression you want to apply to this file. It's a compromise between a
large detailed file vs. small less resolution file.  If you select a number
like 5 or medium it should be a nice compromise.

If you don't have an application like Photoshop, you can use "Paint" which
comes with every windows for free.  Open the file with Paint, then "Save
As...".  Paint however does not have an elastic compression choice. It has a
fixed Medium compression as the default.

Hopefully this helps.
Zbyszek

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From:  bert_bakker41 [mailto:bert_bakker41@...]
Sent: 7 marca 2004 10:59
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Name List Kresy Refugees Africa and beyond

Dear Bob,

I wished I knew....
I just cannot manage to upload the contents which I have scanned on
CD, and have asked our Moderator's help.

In the meantime, I'd be happy to look up names for you.

Kind regards,

Bert Bakker
Nelspruit
South Africa

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "bobski49" <bobski49@t...
wrote:
> I'm interested to know why the namelist of "Polish refugees to
> Africa", that you posted in the albums section is not
> functioning. A lot of my family were sent there before coming to
> the U.K. I'd like to know more please.

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