Kresy-Siberia : Messages : 672-2259 of 56856

Summarize Messages

Sort by Date

#672

From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <linder@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 10:02 am
Subject: Alexander reply + ISDUD?

linder@...

Send Email

Hi people,

This is my question & reply from Alexander. Now I know what to try next!

Could I ask for anyone's help/suggestions in trying to find out any possible 'route' dad may have taken from Lwow [captured by Russian's] to ISDUD where he enlisted in Anders-Sikorski Polsh Army?.

From: "Alexander Gur'yanov" <gurpolcom@...>
To: "Linder Ladbrooke" <linder@...>
Subject: Re: From Linder Stachnik in England
Date: 17 February 2002 13:09

Moscow, 17.02.2002
Dear Linder,
Unfortunately, your father Michal Stachnik does not appear in the database "Polish
citizens deported to Arkhangelsk region (1940-1941)" disposed by our Polish
Committee of the "Memorial" Society, as well as no one with the surname Stachnik at all or Putko or Kurzynski.

May be, your father was deported to the other region, not Arkhangelsk?

The other possibility is that he might be rather arrested, sentenced and imprisoned in one of the penal "corrective labour camp" (of GULAG's system) instead of being deported (the term of deportation in its strict meaning has to be applied only to the forced expulsion). But we have no database on the imprisoned Poles except the database "Poles and Polish citizens imprisoned in camps of Vorkuta region (1939-1956)". I have made sure that your father as well as Jan Putko and Bronislav Kurzynski are not listed in the "Vorkuta database".

In such a situation the only way is to make the requests to the archives of Internal Affairs Office of Arkhangelsk region (if the camp was really located in this region) or to the Main Informational Center of Russian Internal Affairs Ministry (but we may have some difficulties with the request to the Ministry). Our Polish Committee can make these requests on your behalf, but we need the letter signed by you with your ask to Polish Committe and the personal data of your father. Such a letter is necessary because it is obligatory for us to attach the paper copy of it to each our request to archives.
Our address is:

Polish Committee of the "Memorial" Society,
Russia, 103051 Moscow, Malyi Karetnyi Pereulok 12

Finally, I have to notice that the waiting for answer of archives is usually rather long, lasting several months.
Sincerely yours - Alexander Gur'yanov, member of the Polish Committee of the "Memorial" Society

Question; From Linder Stachnik in England

    Dear Alexander,

    I am a member of the 'Kresy-Siberia' list and have been following your good work for us on the list. When you have the time, would you be kind enough to take a look and see if you have any details of my father? For this I would be very grateful.

    Michal Stachnik
    Born; 18th July 1914
    At; Nachaczow, Jaworow, Lwow, Poland
    Farmer before 1939
    Parents; Michal [also] & Katarzyna
    Roman Catholic
    Deported to 'Former USSR' in 1940
    Released from 'camp' to join Anders-Sikorski Army
    Enlisted - 05-03-1942 at ISDUD [Palestine?]
    known to have at least one brother JAN/JOHN, but I believe he was one of 4/6 siblings.
    Came to England in 1946 with JAN PUTKO and BRONISLAW KURZINSKI, I understand they were all together in 'camps'. ARKHANGLSK CAMP has been mentioned by our family?

    I'm sorry that I have no other information than this, from dad's Polish Army War Records from London.

    Thank you for your time

    Linder Ladbrooke [Stachnik]
---

Thanks Stefan

Linder

#673

From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Tue Feb 19, 2002 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: Alexander reply + ISDUD?

skwisniowski

Send Email

Linder,
The mystery to me is how enlisted in Isdud (which is a village in Palestine) on 3 May 1942 (how could it be 5 March if the army was still in the USSR?). If this is so, how could he have made his way out of Russia (probably around 26 March 1942) if he was not already in the army, unless his brother or another family member was already enrolled - as I believe that it was only civilians who were family members of soldiers or orphans who were allowed out with the army in March '42. He was nearly 28 years old then, so should have been eligible to enlist in Soviet Russia...

Sorry, more questions for our experts...
--
Stefan

Could I ask for anyone's help/suggestions in trying to find out any possible 'route' dad may have taken from Lwow [captured by Russian's] to ISDUD where he enlisted in Anders-Sikorski Polsh Army?.
   Deported to 'Former USSR' in 1940
   Released from 'camp' to join Anders-Sikorski Army
   Enlisted - 05-03-1942 at ISDUD [Palestine?]
   known to have at least one brother JAN/JOHN, but I believe he was one of 4/6 siblings.

#2234

From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
Date: Tue Sep 3, 2002 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Alexander reply + ISDUD?

skwisniowski

Send Email

Hello Mohammad

Thank you for your message about Isdud in 1942.

You musty have been a young man then!



As you may know, the Polish Army was attached to the British 8th Army.

Your recollection about Polish camps at Barbara accords with the

recollections many of our families have of being there (including my own

father).



It may be possible that Linder's father enlisted at the British camp for the

Polish Army.  Or perhaps the documents were recorded at Isdud.



Linder did you ever find out more about this?

--

Stefan Wisniowski



> From: "mkbatrawi" <mkbatrawi@...>

> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 11:50:54 -0000

> To: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>

> Subject: Re: Alexander reply + ISDUD?

>

> My name is Mohammad Batrawi, I lived in Isdud during the year 1942 .

> I never heared of Polish army camps that were there at all . I

> worked in the British Army Camp which was in Isdud , there were only

> British soldiers and Italian POWs , the Polish families lived in

> Barbra Camp nearby the Palestinian village Barbara , it was situated

> 20 km. south of Isdud.I knew one of these families ( I forgot names

> now ) who used to visit my family in Isdud . What I wanted  to say

> is that there were no Polish army or family camps in Isdud in 1942

> as far as I know , as one who lived there at that time.

>

> Mohammad

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...>

> wrote:

>> Linder, The mystery to me is how enlisted in Isdud (which is a village in

>> Palestine) on 3 May 1942 (how could it be 5 March if the army was still in

>> the USSR?). If this is so,  how could he have made his way out of Russia

>> (probably around 26 March 1942) if he was not already in the army, unless his

>> brother or another family member was already enrolled - as I believe that it

>> was only civilians who were family members of soldiers or orphans who were

>> allowed out with the army in March '42. He was nearly 28 years old then, so

>> should have been eligible to enlist in Soviet Russia...

>>

>> Sorry, more questions for our experts... -- Stefan

>>

>> Could I ask for anyone's help/suggestions in trying to find out any possible

>> 'route' dad may have taken from Lwow [captured by Russian's] to ISDUD where

>> he enlisted in Anders-Sikorski Polsh Army?. Deported to 'Former USSR' in 1940

>> Released from 'camp' to join Anders-Sikorski Army Enlisted - 05-03-1942 at

>> ISDUD [Palestine?] known to have at least one brother JAN/JOHN, but I believe

>> he was one of 4/6 siblings.

>

>

>

#2259

From: "Linder Ladbrooke" <linder@...>
Date: Thu Sep 5, 2002 12:22 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Alexander reply + ISDUD?

linderladbrooke

Send Email

Hi,



Scroll down Stefan please -

----------------------

----------------------

----- Original Message -----

From: "Stefan Wisniowski" <swisniowski@...>

To: "mkbatrawi" <mkbatrawi@...>

Cc: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:21 PM

Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Re: Alexander reply + ISDUD?





Hello Mohammad

Thank you for your message about Isdud in 1942.

You musty have been a young man then!



As you may know, the Polish Army was attached to the British 8th Army.

Your recollection about Polish camps at Barbara accords with the

recollections many of our families have of being there (including my own

father).



It may be possible that Linder's father enlisted at the British camp for the

Polish Army.  Or perhaps the documents were recorded at Isdud.



Linder did you ever find out more about this?

-- -----------FROM HERE!!!

----------------

Remember I got a little map that Margaret [MOD] drew for me? Sent you a

copy, with the front cover of that book they use all the time + some copied

pages from that book, all sabout ISDUD? No, buried in your piles to stuff to

be filed?, like me?

Thing is, I can't openly say where I got it, anyway, Bogdan never did get

round to giving me the short Eng version of what it says, but, it's supposed

to be all about the men enlsting and the routes most took to get there - I

can't read Polish! I can send again if your 'piles' are too high?



Another subject; other folk's beside you, suspect my dad's War Records are

in the wrong order. The MOD doesn't type anything out until they've got the

�25.00, so, it's poss that they just got it in the wrong order, but I can't

ask Margaret MOD until I know what's wrong with them. Have you still got a

copy to look at, or shall I type those bits out? I think it looks like he

went back on himself. Would you take a look when you're on the night shift

please? Perhaps then, it will help the fellow above and me too?

Linder

-------------------END OF MINE!!!

------------------



> From: "mkbatrawi" <mkbatrawi@...>

> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 11:50:54 -0000

> To: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>

> Subject: Re: Alexander reply + ISDUD?

>

> My name is Mohammad Batrawi, I lived in Isdud during the year 1942 .

> I never heared of Polish army camps that were there at all . I

> worked in the British Army Camp which was in Isdud , there were only

> British soldiers and Italian POWs , the Polish families lived in

> Barbra Camp nearby the Palestinian village Barbara , it was situated

> 20 km. south of Isdud.I knew one of these families ( I forgot names

> now ) who used to visit my family in Isdud . What I wanted  to say

> is that there were no Polish army or family camps in Isdud in 1942

> as far as I know , as one who lived there at that time.

>

> Mohammad

>

> --- In Kresy-Siberia@y..., Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@p...>

> wrote:

>> Linder, The mystery to me is how enlisted in Isdud (which is a village in

>> Palestine) on 3 May 1942 (how could it be 5 March if the army was still

in

>> the USSR?). If this is so,  how could he have made his way out of Russia

>> (probably around 26 March 1942) if he was not already in the army, unless

his

>> brother or another family member was already enrolled - as I believe that

it

>> was only civilians who were family members of soldiers or orphans who

were

>> allowed out with the army in March '42. He was nearly 28 years old then,

so

>> should have been eligible to enlist in Soviet Russia...

>>

>> Sorry, more questions for our experts... -- Stefan

>>

>> Could I ask for anyone's help/suggestions in trying to find out any

possible

>> 'route' dad may have taken from Lwow [captured by Russian's] to ISDUD

where

>> he enlisted in Anders-Sikorski Polsh Army?. Deported to 'Former USSR' in

1940

>> Released from 'camp' to join Anders-Sikorski Army Enlisted - 05-03-1942

at

>> ISDUD [Palestine?] known to have at least one brother JAN/JOHN, but I

believe

>> he was one of 4/6 siblings.

>

>

>







***************************************************************************

* KRESY-SIBERIA GROUP = Research, Remembrance, Recognition

**

* Discussion site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Kresy-Siberia

* Film and info : http://www.AForgottenOdyssey.com

**

* Replies to this message will go directly to the full list.

* Send e-mails to: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com

**

* To SUBSCRIBE, send an e-mail saying who you are

* and your interest in the group to:

*      Kresy-Siberia-owner@yahoogroups.com

***************************************************************************



Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

< Prev Topic | Next Topic >

Yahoo! Groups

Breaking News Visit Yahoo! News for the latest.

The Yahoo! Groups Product Blog

Check it out!

Group Information

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...

Messages