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#54639 From: Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 1:02 am
Subject: Care needed to avoid virus 		helenbitner
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I've just  been given the very good advice  that we should NEVER open an
attachment that ends in .PHP
Files such as these  always  have viruses.  Also,  if a message sounds strange
(and not like other K-S messages) we should proceed with caution.  For instance,
these messages only said something like HELLO or HEY and had no other message.
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
UK

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#54640 From: warasba@...
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 1:11 am
Subject: RE:[www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Care needed to avoid virus 		warasba@...
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Thank you Helen for following through. This has been good advice
Regards
Barbara Waras

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From: Helen Bitner <helen.bitner@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com;
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Care needed to avoid virus
I've just been given the very good advice that we should NEVER open an
attachment that ends in .PHP
Files such as these always have viruses. Also, if a message sounds strange (and
not like other K-S messages) we should proceed with caution. For instance, these
messages only said something like HELLO or HEY and had no other message.
Kind regards
Helen Bitner
UK

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#54641 From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 2:42 am
Subject: New collections in the Kresy-Siberia Hall of Memories! 		basiazielins...
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Dear Krystyna

These are glorious!


Basia Zielinska (Sydney)


From: <kms0902@...>
Organization: Kresy-Siberia Foundation
Reply-To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:13:10 -0600
To: <Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: {Disarmed} [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] New collections in the Kresy-Siberia Hall of Memories!

 

Dear Group,
 
I thought you may be interested in seeing these collections that I have recently uploaded to the Hall of Memories.  These personal photos were scanned at the tie of the recording of interviews with these persons.  I have used Photoshop to make the photos as clear as possible.  Some of the photos are very unique indeed.  You will also note that people who are identified on various photos are linked to their Wall of Names profiles.
 
Check out the photos at the following links ....
 
 
 
 
 

Kind regards,

Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada

 

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#54642 From: Basia <basia@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:34 am
Subject: "Our Heritage Program" The Forgotten Exiles-Melbourne workshop 		basiazielins...
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Dear Group

On Sunday (yesterday) I attended the superb workshop, first one of 3, organised by Lucyna Artymiuk in Melbourne.  (If others are involved in the organising, I apologise for not including them).
I flew in from Sydney, and was met by Lucyna, who gave me a tremendous overview to the workshop on our way to the workshop venue.
The content of the workshop was excellent and included an introduction from Dr.Helen Evert, President of the Polish Museum and Archives in Australia,
a very fine, live, welcome by Skype from Stefan Wisniowski ,who somehow always manages to infuse his promotion of "Kresy Syberia" with such fresh enthusiasm.
The workshop also included a live Skype link with Anuradha Bhattacharjee, from India, who presented an extraordinary, insightful paper on Polish war Refugees in India. 
Anuradha's presentation was very well researched, filled with gorgeous anecdotes, and so thorough, we were speechless when asked for questions, however, she has written a book,
 "The Second Homeland:Polish Refugees in India" which will fill out the blanks I now have questions about.
Lucyna Artymiuk's contribution "Soviet Invasion and restructuring of society" was thoroughly researched and presented in Power Point format, placing "the whole experience" into context,
 both historically and from a human perspective. An invaluable part of the workshop.

However, for me personally, it was witnessing the three "Siberia" survivors, Marzena Piskozub, Roman Zylinski and Zdzislawa Wasylkowska share part of their story of capture and survival,
 listening to each of their heart wrenching stories, that had the deepest most profound impact on me. I was, quite literally, moved to tears.
I also quickly realised the survivors do not, in fact, like revisiting the "Siberia Years". They are able to talk about Persia, India, Lebanon, Australia, destinations they came to post "Siberia", 
but remembering and talking about the traumatic experiences of being forcibly removed from home, separated from family members, (some of whom they would never see again) 
put on cattle trucks and transported for weeks, to unknown destinations still causes them tremendous pain, not forgetting the years of unimaginable hardship in exile. 
Their journey to "Freedom" was no less traumatic and fraught with fear, uncertainty, disease, depravation.
 I was left with a very strong impression, they prefer to get on with life and put that behind them. 
All of them are genuinely surprised that anyone is in the least bit interested to hear their stories!
I honour them by giving me/us the gift of their stories, of having the opportunity  to be there, in their company,  to listen to them, of being able to ask some questions, 
and of their generosity in being willing to dig deep to extremely painful memories, and give some answers. 
I was left with an impression that there is a common thread amongst the three Survivors I met. They all just want to put the horrors behind them and just "get on with life" I also noticed, particularly in Mrs Piskozub, 
that she is able to see good in even the worst people, that she was, as she herself said, born an optimist, and has remained optimistic. 
I hope that other cities in Australia will have the opportunity of participating in the workshops. I also hope that there are Survivors willing to talk to us.
I urge all of you, in other cities, to organise this possibility, whilst we still have survivors who may be willing to come and talk. 
The impact of hearing their stories highlights for me that we must continue to remember simply for history not to repeat itself.

Thank you Lucyna for inviting me and for making it possible for me to attend.

Basia Zielinska (Sydney)




 

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#54643 From: <kms0902@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 6:08 am
Subject: Re: "Our Heritage Program" The Forgotten Exiles-Melbourne workshop 		szypowska
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Thank you, Basiu, for giving such a detailed account of the workshop.
 
And thank you, Lucyna, for organizing and presenting it!
 
Basiu, I know just what you mean about how moving it is to hear these survivor stories.  We have had several occasions in Canada, where survivors have told their stories, and the audience is always mesmerized by the accounts. 
 
I have personally interviewed dozens of them for the Kresy-Siberia Survivor Testimony project (interviews which last from just over an hour, to as many as 5 hours) and I cry with them and laugh with them.  But most of all, I marvel at their resilience and their ability to get on with the job of living.  They truly are remarkable people, and we must cherish them while we can.  We must also continue to record their stories for future generations!
 

Kind regards,

Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada

-----

 
 
..... However, for me personally, it was witnessing the three "Siberia" survivors, Marzena Piskozub, Roman Zylinski and Zdzislawa Wasylkowska share part of their story of capture and survival,
listening to each of their heart wrenching stories, that had the deepest most profound impact on me. I was, quite literally, moved to tears.
I also quickly realised the survivors do not, in fact, like revisiting the "Siberia Years". They are able to talk about Persia, India, Lebanon, Australia, destinations they came to post "Siberia",
but remembering and talking about the traumatic experiences of being forcibly removed from home, separated from family members, (some of whom they would never see again)
put on cattle trucks and transported for weeks, to unknown destinations still causes them tremendous pain, not forgetting the years of unimaginable hardship in exile.
Their journey to "Freedom" was no less traumatic and fraught with fear, uncertainty, disease, depravation.
I was left with a very strong impression, they prefer to get on with life and put that behind them.
All of them are genuinely surprised that anyone is in the least bit interested to hear their stories!
I honour them by giving me/us the gift of their stories, of having the opportunity  to be there, in their company,  to listen to them, of being able to ask some questions,
and of their generosity in being willing to dig deep to extremely painful memories, and give some answers.
I was left with an impression that there is a common thread amongst the three Survivors I met. They all just want to put the horrors behind them and just "get on with life" I also noticed, particularly in Mrs Piskozub,  that she is able to see good in even the worst people, that she was, as she herself said, born an optimist, and has remained optimistic.
I hope that other cities in Australia will have the opportunity of participating in the workshops. I also hope that there are Survivors willing to talk to us.
I urge all of you, in other cities, to organise this possibility, whilst we still have survivors who may be willing to come and talk.
The impact of hearing their stories highlights for me that we must continue to remember simply for history not to repeat itself.
 
Thank you Lucyna for inviting me and for making it possible for me to attend.
 
Basia Zielinska (Sydney)
 

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#54644 From: "Lucyna Artymiuk" <lucynaartymiuk@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 8:24 am
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: "Our Heritage Program" The Forgotten Exiles-Melbourne workshop 		lucyna_98
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We had 20 people attending and would have had more

 

I just realised that the handset on one landline was dead – battery – and two more people wanted to attend

 

There is a definite need out there for people to get historical context and ask questions

 

It reflects what kresy Siberia does

 

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kms0902@...
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013 5:09 PM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: "Our Heritage Program" The Forgotten Exiles-Melbourne workshop

 

 

Thank you, Basiu, for giving such a detailed account of the workshop.

 

And thank you, Lucyna, for organizing and presenting it!

 

Basiu, I know just what you mean about how moving it is to hear these survivor stories.  We have had several occasions in Canada, where survivors have told their stories, and the audience is always mesmerized by the accounts. 

 

I have personally interviewed dozens of them for the Kresy-Siberia Survivor Testimony project (interviews which last from just over an hour, to as many as 5 hours) and I cry with them and laugh with them.  But most of all, I marvel at their resilience and their ability to get on with the job of living.  They truly are remarkable people, and we must cherish them while we can.  We must also continue to record their stories for future generations!

 

Kind regards,

Krystyna Szypowska - Winnipeg, Canada

-----

 

 

..... However, for me personally, it was witnessing the three "Siberia" survivors, Marzena Piskozub, Roman Zylinski and Zdzislawa Wasylkowska share part of their story of capture and survival,

listening to each of their heart wrenching stories, that had the deepest most profound impact on me. I was, quite literally, moved to tears.

I also quickly realised the survivors do not, in fact, like revisiting the "Siberia Years". They are able to talk about Persia, India, Lebanon, Australia, destinations they came to post "Siberia",

but remembering and talking about the traumatic experiences of being forcibly removed from home, separated from family members, (some of whom they would never see again)

put on cattle trucks and transported for weeks, to unknown destinations still causes them tremendous pain, not forgetting the years of unimaginable hardship in exile.

Their journey to "Freedom" was no less traumatic and fraught with fear, uncertainty, disease, depravation.

I was left with a very strong impression, they prefer to get on with life and put that behind them.

All of them are genuinely surprised that anyone is in the least bit interested to hear their stories!

I honour them by giving me/us the gift of their stories, of having the opportunity  to be there, in their company,  to listen to them, of being able to ask some questions,

and of their generosity in being willing to dig deep to extremely painful memories, and give some answers.

I was left with an impression that there is a common thread amongst the three Survivors I met. They all just want to put the horrors behind them and just "get on with life" I also noticed, particularly in Mrs Piskozub,  that she is able to see good in even the worst people, that she was, as she herself said, born an optimist, and has remained optimistic.

I hope that other cities in Australia will have the opportunity of participating in the workshops. I also hope that there are Survivors willing to talk to us.

I urge all of you, in other cities, to organise this possibility, whilst we still have survivors who may be willing to come and talk.

The impact of hearing their stories highlights for me that we must continue to remember simply for history not to repeat itself.

 

Thank you Lucyna for inviting me and for making it possible for me to attend.

 

Basia Zielinska (Sydney)

 


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#54645 From: Zenon Kuzik <zenon.kuzik@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 10:09 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: It's official. Polish now the 2nd most spoken language in the U 		zenon.kuzik
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Dear Julie,

A couple of Welsh friends told me that they knew children of Polish parents in Cymru who were fluent in English, Welsh and Polish.

Cyfarchion o Seland Newydd,
Zenon Kuzik

From: Julie Sheppard <jule_shep@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: It's official. Polish now the 2nd most spoken language in the U

 
I have been waiting to reply to this post thread about Polish being the 2nd most spoken language in the UK to see if any member outside of Wales would correct it. It seems not, so I must step in. 
This story from the BBC is triggered by analysis from the most recent UK 2011 Census. The BBC has since corrected their headline to read that 'Polish is the second most widely spoken language in England and the 3rd in Wales'. 

Worldwide members please note that the second most widely spoken language in the UK is Welsh. It is a Celtic language, I am not going to lecture on its derivation because I am not equipped to, but it is old and derived from the original Europeans across our continent. It is perhaps the only Celtic language which will survive, as it is in daily use by millions. It is in everyday use in Wales and by Welsh speakers across the world, it is growing and I am pleased to say that the younger generations of Poles in schools in Wales are  learning it!
Regards to all,
Julie (Jachimiak) Sheppard
Searching.....Jachimiak
Stefanko
Lwow



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#54646 From: George Neisser <george.neisser@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 4:48 pm
Subject: Archiving the History of Polish Exile in Great Britain 		george.neiss...
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Dear group,
This will be of interest mainly to UK group members.
We at the University of Manchester are holding a one day workshop on
‘Archiving the History of Polish Exile in Great Britain’
I will be giving a presentation on the role of the Kresy-Siberia Virtual Museum in this important initiative.
Please see the attached workshop programme. 
Although attendance is by invitation only, a limited number of places will be available for those wishing to contribute to the workshop.
If you do wish to contribute, or requre further inrormation, then please contact Dr Ewa Ochman (see the programme) or myself.
Best wishes
Jurek Neisser
University of Manchester
England   

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#54647 From: Alexandra Copley <alexandra.copley@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: Care needed to avoid virus 		alexandra.co...
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Helen and Group
 
I recently opened a personal email from someone in our group and picked up the virus just by opening the email, without opening any link within this email.  The subject line of this email to me was 'Re: (and the subject line of a matter discussed between us)' i.e. it presented as a reply to my correspondence (just like mine above to this group), not one of the obvious 'Hey' or 'Hello'.  The text of the email was some rubbish about earning megabucks by working from home.  Embarrassingly, it then sent itself to all my contacts.  I stress that I did not open any attachment or follow any link within the email - it proliferated just by opening the email.
 
No amount of vigilence and care can avert this type of event.  I am just letting everyone know in case others have had a similar experience and feel foolish for falling for a trap.  Also, apologies to all who received this email that I did not send.
 
Alexandra Copley
Australia 

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#54648 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Mon Feb 4, 2013 10:01 pm
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Care needed to avoid virus 		lenardaszymczak
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A spam filter helps, as in the past year I have had my computer in the shop once due looping in windows and it would not go beyond this into functioning and working normal and then twice shut down after this, due to hackers and virus,  with private research and needed assistance from my IT. Competent children.

 

I felt so stupid that after all these years of being careful, I was tricked, but this is the cleverness of the modern world, unfortunately.

 

Now I have upgraded and attached another anti-virus programme, also spam filter, then in my diligence, now paranoia about hackers and virus,  clean computer every day and super clean once a week with Spybot as virus can be sleepers and never open KS post unless it has members name identified and subject matter written and then especially do not open  any attachments, if not signed off with name and country of member. New members will not be aware of this, but it is the hazard of the modern world.

 

This limits my daily browsing, as my programme will not allow me to enter some sites, giving warnings, but then I choose whether to endanger my computer and clean it immediately to get rid of the virus. 

 

Nothing is 100% proof, but diligence and awareness of what the enemy looks like and does, is most important and we can take safeguards without severely limiting our research and unknowingly passing on bad stuff, which at times is unavoidable as they are getting more clever each day.

 

Good luck, stay alert.

Lenarda, Sydney, Australia

 

 

 

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alexandra Copley
Sent: Tuesday, 05 February, 2013 8:20 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Care needed to avoid virus

 

 

Helen and Group

 

I recently opened a personal email from someone in our group and picked up the virus just by opening the email, without opening any link within this email.  The subject line of this email to me was 'Re: (and the subject line of a matter discussed between us)' i.e. it presented as a reply to my correspondence (just like mine above to this group), not one of the obvious 'Hey' or 'Hello'.  The text of the email was some rubbish about earning megabucks by working from home.  Embarrassingly, it then sent itself to all my contacts.  I stress that I did not open any attachment or follow any link within the email - it proliferated just by opening the email.

 

No amount of vigilence and care can avert this type of event.  I am just letting everyone know in case others have had a similar experience and feel foolish for falling for a trap.  Also, apologies to all who received this email that I did not send.

 

Alexandra Copley

Australia 


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#54649 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 3:05 am
Subject: Tomaszewski Family 		lenardaszymczak
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Dear Bernie Starzewski Wisconsin USA - New listing, update on Stanislaw Starzewskifor Tomaszewski 2012, behind the Riga Treaty Line of 1921. Could these be relatives to you? , http://wolyn.ovh.org/opisy/rzesniowka-k.html

 

 

2.

TOMASZEWSKI

Kazimierz-Wincenty 1883 - s. Mikoaja i Heleny z d. Czapliska, ona Helena z d. Wieprzewska, dzieci: syn Kazimierz-Mirosaw 1912. Bracia Kazimierza-Wincentego: Czesaw, Bolesaw, Jzef.

wie i majtek

RZENIWKA

powiat Starokonstantynw, za kordonem, parafia rz-kat. Ostropol

 

Lenarda, Sydney, Australia

 


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#54650 From: "Frances" <frncsgts@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:38 am
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Care needed to avoid virus 		frncsgts
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I believe it is better to read posts on the K-S website  - and to opt out of
receiving any general messages via email, thus clogging up one's inbox and
possibly opening a suspicious one.  When posts are read on the website those
links which are suggested by the members can always be opened if required
(providing the links are properly inserted - but that's another story).

Frances





--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Lenarda Szymczak"  wrote:
>
> A spam filter helps, as in the past year I have had my computer in the shop
> once due looping in windows and it would not go beyond this into functioning
> and working normal and then twice shut down after this, due to hackers and
> virus,  with private research and needed assistance from my IT. Competent
> children.
>
>
>
> I felt so stupid that after all these years of being careful, I was tricked,
> but this is the cleverness of the modern world, unfortunately.
>
>
>
> Now I have upgraded and attached another anti-virus programme, also spam
> filter, then in my diligence, now paranoia about hackers and virus,  clean
> computer every day and super clean once a week with Spybot as virus can be
> sleepers and never open KS post unless it has members name identified and
> subject matter written and then especially do not open  any attachments, if
> not signed off with name and country of member. New members will not be
> aware of this, but it is the hazard of the modern world.
>
>
>
> This limits my daily browsing, as my programme will not allow me to enter
> some sites, giving warnings, but then I choose whether to endanger my
> computer and clean it immediately to get rid of the virus.
>
>
>
> Nothing is 100% proof, but diligence and awareness of what the enemy looks
> like and does, is most important and we can take safeguards without severely
> limiting our research and unknowingly passing on bad stuff, which at times
> is unavoidable as they are getting more clever each day.
>
>
>
> Good luck, stay alert.
>
> Lenarda, Sydney, Australia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Alexandra Copley
> Sent: Tuesday, 05 February, 2013 8:20 AM
> To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Care needed to avoid virus
>
>
>
>
>
> Helen and Group
>
>
>
> I recently opened a personal email from someone in our group and picked up
> the virus just by opening the email, without opening any link within this
> email.  The subject line of this email to me was 'Re: (and the subject line
> of a matter discussed between us)' i.e. it presented as a reply to my
> correspondence (just like mine above to this group), not one of the obvious
> 'Hey' or 'Hello'.  The text of the email was some rubbish about earning
> megabucks by working from home.  Embarrassingly, it then sent itself to all
> my contacts.  I stress that I did not open any attachment or follow any link
> within the email - it proliferated just by opening the email.
>
>
>
> No amount of vigilence and care can avert this type of event.  I am just
> letting everyone know in case others have had a similar experience and feel
> foolish for falling for a trap.  Also, apologies to all who received this
> email that I did not send.
>
>
>
> Alexandra Copley
>
> Australia
>

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#54651 From: "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 10:34 am
Subject: Polish Navy 		annapacewicz
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Dear Martin & Karen (and anybody else with an interest in the Polish Navy) ...
following on from finding your father's names in the book that I have I emailed
a lovely lady that I am in contact with, Wanda Troman, in the UK. She is a
Polish Naval Historian. As you know, this book "Polska Marynarka Wojenna" lists
all of the names from the Polish Navy during WW2 - though the list is not
alphabetical and therefore very difficult to make sense of. Here is Wanda's
response:

"Hello, Anna, thank you for your interesting e-mail. I'll help you if I can...
Yes, it is difficult to find out more about the sailors listed in the Polish
Navy Album of 1947. E.g. Edward Nikiel, st.mar. = Able Seaman. You go up the
column until you come to the first officer. He is kpt.mar. = Lieutenant
Commander of the Polish Navy Drozdowski Stanislaw. Next you have to see if this
name is mentioned again in the same book. Yes, it is and it tells you that he
was a doctor and also it mentions his medals. Then you have to have another book
called "Kadry Morskie Rzeczypospolitej", (The Staff of the Polish Navy) Vol. II,
published in Gdynia in 1966. This book should be in your local library or any
Polish Library in your city. Look under Drozdowski Stanislaw Jozef, doctor. He
served during WWII on the Kujawiak and the Slazak. The Commanding Officer of the
Slazak was Romuald Tyminski-Nalecz who wrote, after the war, a book, his
memoirs. The book is in Polish, it is Zagle staw, bandere spusc (Hoist Sails 
and Lower the Flag), published in Gdynia in 1999, but he mentions lots of names
there. The long list is in the alphabetical order at the end of the book. He
speaks of Drozdowski, but does not mention Nikiel. It means, to me anyhow, that
Nikiel did not serve on the Slazak but on the Kujawiak. ORP Kujawiak is on
Google. By the way, Drozdowski is also mentioned in "Nasze Sygnaly" (Our
Signals) nr. 176 in an article by Z. Andrzejewski. You could also write in
English a short letter to the editor of the Polish language newspaper, the
Dziennik Polski, published in London. Their address is: Dziennik Polski, The
Polish Daily, 238-246 King Street, Hammersmith, London W6 0RF.  Their e-mail is:
dziennik@...
They always publish letters from different readers. If I write to them I always
use their e-mail.  You could ask the readers if they have any information about
the matters which are of interest to you. You could give them your e-mail
address. By the way, do you you know any members of Mr Nikiel's family? Later in
the day I am going to look up in different books if there is any information
about  Mr. Stepek. Best wishes, Wanda."

And also:

"Hello, Anna, Stepek Jan, Able Seaman, was on the Slazak on 5 May 1945. Best
wishes Wanda."

Martin - I am presuming this was your father? Karen, remind me, do you think
that your father served on Kujawiak?

Kind regards,
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney Australia

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#54652 From: martin stepek <mstepek@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 10:41 am
Subject: Re: Polish Navy 		martinstepek
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Thanks so much Anna. I wonder if
 
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#54653 From: martin stepek <mstepek@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 11:01 am
Subject: Re: Polish Navy 		martinstepek
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Apologies again. I blame Windows 8 :-)
 
Anna, thanks so much for this. I might get in touch with Wanda. I have all of my father’s war records from the MoD, and also the records of where his ships - Krakowiak then Slazak - so know most of his whereabouts in the navy from June 1943 to his resettlement in 1946.
 
I’m also grateful to Krystyna and Stefan for pointing out that we have most if not all of the technical capabilities already within the KSVM site to do what I suggested. There seems to me to be 3 separate but linked aspects that need thought through and implemented if this is to be achieved:
a) the space online for people to post specifically naval photos so they are registered and searchable as navy; otherwise the photos could just get lost in the ever-growing archive. Remember, it is primarily for people searching for relatives’ photos, which are unlikely to be identified by the people who post them. So they won’t be searchable by their name. Hope that makes sense 
b) an easy way for people to specify that they’re searching for Polish Navy personnel and be taken to this specific group of photos
c) promotion to the wider Polish diaspora that this service / site now exists to allow relatives of Polish WW2 sailors to post their own photos on the site, identifying any people they know; and to allow relatives to search on the site to see if they can find any photos of their naval relatives. If they do so they can tag them by name.
 
Martin Stepek
 
Author “For There is Hope”
“an epic, the tale of one of history’s great wanderings”
Neal Ascherson, author of The Struggles for Poland
 
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#54654 From: Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 4:03 pm
Subject: Email boxes filling up... 		kazameena
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I too have beeen spamed, hacked, and my email address has been  thrown out into cyberspace hell.  What I don't understand is the people who say  the mail clogs up their box.  Simply change your email address and make it a " Kresy-Siberia Group Only  " email box.  I get nothing in mine except Kresy email and for all other communications I use different private email addresses. It's easier to delete the whole box of  messages, in one click,  after rechecking subject lines that you are not interested in, this way as well.  Might help someone.
 
hania

From: Frances <frncsgts@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 1:38:59 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Care needed to avoid virus
 


I believe it is better to read posts on the K-S website - and to opt out of receiving any general messages via email, thus clogging up one's inbox and possibly opening a suspicious one. When posts are read on the website those links which are suggested by the members can always be opened if required (providing the links are properly inserted - but that's another story).

Frances

--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, "Lenarda Szymczak" wrote:
>
> A spam filter helps, as in the past year I have had my computer in the shop
> once due looping in windows and it would not go beyond this into functioning
> and working normal and then twice shut down after this, due to hackers and
> virus, with private research and needed assistance from my IT. Competent
> children.
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> I felt so stupid that after all these years of being careful, I was tricked,
> but this is the cleverness of the modern world, unfortunately.
>
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> Now I have upgraded and attached another anti-virus programme, also spam
> filter, then in my diligence, now paranoia about hackers and virus, clean
> computer every day and super clean once a week with Spybot as virus can be
> sleepers and never open KS post unless it has members name identified and
> subject matter written and then especially do not open any attachments, if
> not signed off with name and country of member. New members will not be
> aware of this, but it is the hazard of the modern world.
>
>
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> This limits my daily browsing, as my programme will not allow me to enter
> some sites, giving warnings, but then I choose whether to endanger my
> computer and clean it immediately to get rid of the virus.
>
>
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> Nothing is 100% proof, but diligence and awareness of what the enemy looks
> like and does, is most important and we can take safeguards without severely
> limiting our research and unknowingly passing on bad stuff, which at times
> is unavoidable as they are getting more clever each day.
>
>
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> Good luck, stay alert.
>
> Lenarda, Sydney, Australia
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> From: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Alexandra Copley
> Sent: Tuesday, 05 February, 2013 8:20 AM
> To: mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Care needed to avoid virus
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> Helen and Group
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>
> I recently opened a personal email from someone in our group and picked up
> the virus just by opening the email, without opening any link within this
> email. The subject line of this email to me was 'Re: (and the subject line
> of a matter discussed between us)' i.e. it presented as a reply to my
> correspondence (just like mine above to this group), not one of the obvious
> 'Hey' or 'Hello'. The text of the email was some rubbish about earning
> megabucks by working from home. Embarrassingly, it then sent itself to all
> my contacts. I stress that I did not open any attachment or follow any link
> within the email - it proliferated just by opening the email.
>
>
>
> No amount of vigilence and care can avert this type of event. I am just
> letting everyone know in case others have had a similar experience and feel
> foolish for falling for a trap. Also, apologies to all who received this
> email that I did not send.
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> Alexandra Copley
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#54655 From: Stanislaw Zwierzynski <zwierzinski1957@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 5:11 pm
Subject: Something about Stalin and Kresy 		zwierzinski1957
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Dear Mark and all!
Met with information, which, I think, a little light on why Stalin kill police and intelligence officers captured at Kresy, - which almost all were shot.
In
http://magazines.russ.ru/october/2010/9/sa12-pr.html
we read 

“Успехи Конармии закончились так же неожиданно, как и начались. В середине августа Буденный находился всего лишь в нескольких километрах от Лемберга, русского Львова, украинского Львива, до 1918 г. столицы Королевства Галиции и Лодомерии. Своими мощеными улицами, трамваями, варьете и роскошным отелем “Георг”, в котором был даже лифт, современный город производил впечатление оазиса, окруженного вязкой, окровавленной землей, сожженной содатами и орудиями.
Однако Лемберг взять не удалось. Бабель с удивлением записал в своем дневнике 18 августа: “Что это – безумие или невозможность взять город кавалерией?” Он не знал, что двумя днями ранее Пилсудский начал в Варшаве контрнаступление и совершил “чудо на Висле”.
Польский поход Красной Армии потерпел поражение. Лорд Д'Абернон, британский посол в Берлине, назвал в своем дневнике то время “восемнадцатой решающей битвой всемирной истории”.
Она спасла Центральную и частично Западную Европу от “фанатичного деспотизма Советов”… Не столько Буденный, которого Ленин назвал “самым блестящим полководцем в мире”, сколько Сталин нес основную ответственность за неожиданное поражение.
В то время как командующий Западным фронтом Михаил Тухачевский надвигался с севера на Варшаву, Конармия все еще стояла в 300 километрах юго-восточнее, перед Лембергом. Приказ о выступлении на север был выполнен не сразу: то ли по технической причине, то ли из личных соображений – военный комиссар Сталин был, вероятно, заинтересован в том, чтобы войти в русскую историю как завоеватель Лемберга. Центральный комитет вызвал его в Москву и потребовал объяснений, которые счел недостаточными: по решению ЦК и Политбюро Сталина исключили из Реввоенсовета Юго-Западного фронта...
Вина Сталина в провале похода на Польшу замалчивалась, словно он к этому не имел никакого отношения. Спустя месяц Ленин решил предоставить историкам возможность изучить причины поражения. Однако им это, по существу, не дали сделать. В 1925 г. Сталин, будучи к тому времени уже генеральным секретарем ЦК, затребовал из Киевского государственного архива документы Революционного военного совета Юго-Западного фронта: секретные записи, записи телефонно-телеграфных переговоров, приказы во время решающих дней похода на Польшу. Документы он не вернул”.
(Райнхард Крумм. Исаак Бабель. Биография. М., 2008. Стр. 62 - 63)

"Advances Cavalry ended as suddenly as it began. In mid-August Budyonny was only a few miles from Lemberg, Lviv Russian, Ukrainian Lviv, until 1918 the capital of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria. With its cobbled streets, trams, variety and luxurious hotel "George", in which there was even a lift, a modern city gave the impression of an oasis surrounded by a viscous, blood-stained ground, burnt SOLDIERS and tools.
However, Lemberg was not taken. Babel was surprised in his diary on August 18: "What is this - insanity or inability to take the city cavalry?" He did not know that two days earlier, Pilsudski launched a counteroffensive in Warsaw and made the "miracle on the Vistula".
Polish campaign the Red Army defeated. Lord D'Abernon, the British Ambassador in Berlin, described in his diary that time, "the eighteenth decisive battle of world history."
She saved some Central and Western Europe from the "fanatical tyranny of the Soviets" ... not so much Budyonny whom Lenin called "the most brilliant military commander in the world" as Stalin had primary responsibility for the unexpected defeat.
While the Western Front commander Mikhail Tukhachevsky was coming from the north to Warsaw Cavalry still standing at 300 kilometers south-east, in front of Lemberg. The order of presentation to the north was not executed immediately: whether for technical reasons, or out of personal considerations - Military Commissar Stalin was probably interested to enter in Russian history as the conqueror of Lemberg. The Central Committee had summoned him to Moscow and demanded an explanation, which found insufficient: by decision of the Central Committee and Politburo Stalin expelled from the Revolutionary Military Council of the South-Western Front ...
Stalin's fault for the failure of the campaign against Poland in silence, as if he had to it was not involved. A month later, Lenin decided to give historians to study the causes of defeat. But they do, in fact, not allowed to do. In 1925, Stalin, being by then General Secretary of the Central Committee, requested from the Kiev State Archive of the Revolutionary Military Council of the South-Western Front: the secret recording, telephone and telegraph negotiations, orders during the crucial days of the campaign against Poland. Documents he did not return. "
(Reinhard Krumm. Isaac Babel. Biography. M., 2008. Pp. 62 - 63)

It must be said (Sarnov), that the main culprits in failure of Polish campaign were Lenin and Trotsky.
March on Warsaw was conceived by them as inspiration of the proletarian revolution in Germany and even in Italy. In July, when the army moved more quickly, Lenin telegraphed to Stalin that "should immediately start a revolution in Italy." Same order they were made with regard to Hungary, "it is also possible the Czech Republic and Romania."
The capture by the Red Army in Warsaw was to be the torch that was supposed to ignite the fire of world revolution. According to the historical and political conceptions of Lenin and the theory of "permanent revolution," Trotsky Polish proletariat would gladly welcome the revolutionary Soviet troops. But as soon as these troops were in Poland, they were immediately taken by the Poles are not as revolutionary as well as Russian. This was the same - the old - "Slavs dispute between them", which once wrote Pushkin. None of what the world revolution or of the fraternal embrace of the Polish and Russian proletariat could no longer be any question. Poles now had to defend the country against of the ancient, ancient enemy.
This is the main reason shook the world of the "miracle on the Vistula".
Stalin, however, could not help but feel the military defeat of the "First Horse" as his personal failure.
In any case, sloppy - but in fact, any - touching the subject caused him no less acute and painful reaction than the same careless touch to the dark pages of his Caucasus biography.

I made following conclusion.
Stalin began to cover his tracks their activities already in 1925!, when he was still (in Soviet hierarchy)  5-6, - will receive full power at the end of 1934.

Combined with tremendous suspicion and mistrust,  Stalin could "just in case" remove those who knew a lot about the failures of the Red Army in the war of 1918-20, - culprit it he was (with Trotsky and Tukhachevski, - he killed them earlier).

That is, it removes unnecessary witness shame of the war in 1920.
This version is not contrary to other versions, but complements its.

Stan from M.

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#54656 From: <kms0902@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 7:01 pm
Subject: Re: Polish Navy 		szypowska
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Dear Martin,
 
Thank you for your thoughts.
 
The Hall of Memories has been set up so that an individual only has access to their own collection.  This was purposely done, so that no one can affect the uploaded files of another individual. 
 
Having said this, when you identify the photos that you upload, as relating to the Polish Navy (the input form includes a number of areas where the particular military service information is entered), then that collection will come up in a search of the collections.  For instance, if you go to the Collections tab of the Hall of Memories, and enter the word Navy in the search box, then you will see that two existing collections come up – (1) Anna Pacewicz Family Collection and the (2) Kresy-Siberia Polish Women’s Navy PMSK collection.  Consequently, if you were to set up the Stepek Family collection, and identify the photos as being related to the Polish Navy, then that collection will come up on a search in the future.
 
We will continue to promote the KSVM to the wider diaspora, and encourage individuals to share their personal Navy, Air Force, Army, Refugee Settlement, etc. collections with us.  We also continue to negotiate cooperation agreements with organizations so that they also share their collections with us.
 

Kind regards,

Krystyna (Winnipeg, Canada)

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:01 AM
To: kresy
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Polish Navy
 
 

Apologies again. I blame Windows 8 :-)
 
Anna, thanks so much for this. I might get in touch with Wanda. I have all of my father’s war records from the MoD, and also the records of where his ships - Krakowiak then Slazak - so know most of his whereabouts in the navy from June 1943 to his resettlement in 1946.
 
I’m also grateful to Krystyna and Stefan for pointing out that we have most if not all of the technical capabilities already within the KSVM site to do what I suggested. There seems to me to be 3 separate but linked aspects that need thought through and implemented if this is to be achieved:
a) the space online for people to post specifically naval photos so they are registered and searchable as navy; otherwise the photos could just get lost in the ever-growing archive. Remember, it is primarily for people searching for relatives’ photos, which are unlikely to be identified by the people who post them. So they won’t be searchable by their name. Hope that makes sense
b) an easy way for people to specify that they’re searching for Polish Navy personnel and be taken to this specific group of photos
c) promotion to the wider Polish diaspora that this service / site now exists to allow relatives of Polish WW2 sailors to post their own photos on the site, identifying any people they know; and to allow relatives to search on the site to see if they can find any photos of their naval relatives. If they do so they can tag them by name.
 
Martin Stepek
 
Author “For There is Hope”
“an epic, the tale of one of history’s great wanderings”
Neal Ascherson, author of The Struggles for Poland
 
Sent from Windows Mail
 

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#54657 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:04 pm
Subject: RE: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Something about Stalin and Kresy 		lenardaszymczak
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Stan from M.

 

This article is self-explanatory, and brings new light to why Stalin had a grudge against the Polish People and murdered his own witnesses.

Thank you so much,

Lenarda, Australia

 

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stanislaw Zwierzynski
Sent: Wednesday, 06 February, 2013 4:11 AM
To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Something about Stalin and Kresy

 

 

Dear Mark and all!
Met with information, which, I think, a little light on why Stalin kill police and intelligence officers captured at Kresy, - which almost all were shot.

In

we read 

 

“Успехи Конармии закончились так же неожиданно, как и начались. В середине августа Буденный находился всего лишь в нескольких километрах от Лемберга, русского Львова, украинского Львива, до 1918 г. столицы Королевства Галиции и Лодомерии. Своими мощеными улицами, трамваями, варьете и роскошным отелем “Георг”, в котором был даже лифт, современный город производил впечатление оазиса, окруженного вязкой, окровавленной землей, сожженной содатами и орудиями.
Однако Лемберг взять не удалось. Бабель с удивлением записал в своем дневнике 18 августа: “Что это – безумие или невозможность взять город кавалерией?” Он не знал, что двумя днями ранее Пилсудский начал в Варшаве контрнаступление и совершил “чудо на Висле”.
Польский поход Красной Армии потерпел поражение. Лорд Д'Абернон, британский посол в Берлине, назвал в своем дневнике то время “восемнадцатой решающей битвой всемирной истории”.
Она спасла Центральную и частично Западную Европу от “фанатичного деспотизма Советов”… Не столько Буденный, которого Ленин назвал “самым блестящим полководцем в мире”, сколько Сталин нес основную ответственность за неожиданное поражение.
В то время как командующий Западным фронтом Михаил Тухачевский надвигался с севера на Варшаву, Конармия все еще стояла в 300 километрах юго-восточнее, перед Лембергом. Приказ о выступлении на север был выполнен не сразу: то ли по технической причине, то ли из личных соображений – военный комиссар Сталин был, вероятно, заинтересован в том, чтобы войти в русскую историю как завоеватель Лемберга. Центральный комитет вызвал его в Москву и потребовал объяснений, которые счел недостаточными: по решению ЦК и Политбюро Сталина исключили из Реввоенсовета Юго-Западного фронта...
Вина Сталина в провале похода на Польшу замалчивалась, словно он к этому не имел никакого отношения. Спустя месяц Ленин решил предоставить историкам возможность изучить причины поражения. Однако им это, по существу, не дали сделать. В 1925 г. Сталин, будучи к тому времени уже генеральным секретарем ЦК, затребовал из Киевского государственного архива документы Революционного военного совета Юго-Западного фронта: секретные записи, записи телефонно-телеграфных переговоров, приказы во время решающих дней похода на Польшу. Документы он не вернул”.
(Райнхард Крумм. Исаак Бабель. Биография. М., 2008. Стр. 62 - 63)

 

"Advances Cavalry ended as suddenly as it began. In mid-August Budyonny was only a few miles from Lemberg, Lviv Russian, Ukrainian Lviv, until 1918 the capital of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria. With its cobbled streets, trams, variety and luxurious hotel "George", in which there was even a lift, a modern city gave the impression of an oasis surrounded by a viscous, blood-stained ground, burnt SOLDIERS and tools.
However, Lemberg was not taken. Babel was surprised in his diary on August 18: "What is this - insanity or inability to take the city cavalry?" He did not know that two days earlier, Pilsudski launched a counteroffensive in Warsaw and made the "miracle on the Vistula".
Polish campaign the Red Army defeated. Lord D'Abernon, the British Ambassador in Berlin, described in his diary that time, "the eighteenth decisive battle of world history."
She saved some Central and Western Europe from the "fanatical tyranny of the Soviets" ... not so much Budyonny whom Lenin called "the most brilliant military commander in the world" as Stalin had primary responsibility for the unexpected defeat.
While the Western Front commander Mikhail Tukhachevsky was coming from the north to Warsaw Cavalry still standing at 300 kilometers south-east, in front of Lemberg. The order of presentation to the north was not executed immediately: whether for technical reasons, or out of personal considerations - Military Commissar Stalin was probably interested to enter in Russian history as the conqueror of Lemberg. The Central Committee had summoned him to Moscow and demanded an explanation, which found insufficient: by decision of the Central Committee and Politburo Stalin expelled from the Revolutionary Military Council of the South-Western Front ...
Stalin's fault for the failure of the campaign against Poland in silence, as if he had to it was not involved. A month later, Lenin decided to give historians to study the causes of defeat. But they do, in fact, not allowed to do. In 1925, Stalin, being by then General Secretary of the Central Committee, requested from the Kiev State Archive of the Revolutionary Military Council of the South-Western Front: the secret recording, telephone and telegraph negotiations, orders during the crucial days of the campaign against Poland. Documents he did not return. "
(Reinhard Krumm. Isaac Babel. Biography. M., 2008. Pp. 62 - 63)

 

It must be said (Sarnov), that the main culprits in failure of Polish campaign were Lenin and Trotsky.
March on Warsaw was conceived by them as inspiration of the proletarian revolution in Germany and even in Italy. In July, when the army moved more quickly, Lenin telegraphed to Stalin that "should immediately start a revolution in Italy." Same order they were made with regard to Hungary, "it is also possible the Czech Republic and Romania."
The capture by the Red Army in Warsaw was to be the torch that was supposed to ignite the fire of world revolution. According to the historical and political conceptions of Lenin and the theory of "permanent revolution," Trotsky Polish proletariat would gladly welcome the revolutionary Soviet troops. But as soon as these troops were in Poland, they were immediately taken by the Poles are not as revolutionary as well as Russian. This was the same - the old - "Slavs dispute between them", which once wrote Pushkin. None of what the world revolution or of the fraternal embrace of the Polish and Russian proletariat could no longer be any question. Poles now had to defend the country against of the ancient, ancient enemy.
This is the main reason shook the world of the "miracle on the Vistula".
Stalin, however, could not help but feel the military defeat of the "First Horse" as his personal failure.
In any case, sloppy - but in fact, any - touching the subject caused him no less acute and painful reaction than the same careless touch to the dark pages of his Caucasus biography.

 

I made following conclusion.
Stalin began to cover his tracks their activities already in 1925!, when he was still (in Soviet hierarchy)  5-6, - will receive full power at the end of 1934.

Combined with tremendous suspicion and mistrust,  Stalin could "just in case" remove those who knew a lot about the failures of the Red Army in the war of 1918-20, - culprit it he was (with Trotsky and Tukhachevski, - he killed them earlier).

That is, it removes unnecessary witness shame of the war in 1920.
This version is not contrary to other versions, but complements its.

 

Stan from M.


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#54658 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:13 pm
Subject: off topic - New Zealand Day 		lenardaszymczak
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Hello to all New Zealand members, across the big ditch from Australia and a very happy Waitangi Day (New Zealand Day) 6.2.2013.

 

Warmest regards,

Lenarda, Sydney, Australia


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#54659 From: John Halucha <john.halucha@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:20 pm
Subject: A World Apart - Gustaw Herling 		john.halucha
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A World Apart, first published in 1951, is as heart-wrenching as anything I have read about the Polish experience in Soviet slave prisons. It is better written than many accounts since Gustaw Herling was highly educated and a professional writer. Old copies are still available at a reasonable price and it is available for free download in several different formats at
http://www.archive.org/stream/worldapart007324mbp/worldapart007324mbp_djvu.txt

Herling was imprisoned in a forest slave prison at Yercevo, near Archangel. His detailed description of prison life there will have special resonance for anyone with a direct connection to that particular facility, but I imagine the conditions were pretty much the same all over at that time.

Members who have an interest in the 10th Infantry Division formed in the USSR might also find his report near the end of the book especially interesting. Some brief excerpts:
"My diary ... contains only a detailed itinerary of our route : Chelyabinsk-Orsk-Orenburg-Aktubinsk-Aralsk-Kyzyl-Orda-Arys-Chymkent-Dzambul-Lugovoye. In the first days of February we left Chelyabinsk in a goods truck which had been provided with two tiers of wooden bunks, two buckets, a sack of flour and one of barley, and two holes in the floor for our most immediate needs. On March 9th we were already in Lugovoye.
...
"On March 12th, in Lugovoye, I was accepted for the tenth regiment of light artillery.
...
"The tenth division, containing almost entirely those most recently released from the camps and therefore the weakest and most undernourished prisoners, was the first to be evacuated to Persia from Russia. On March 26th my regiment was transported on a goods train through Dzambul, Arys, Tashkent, Dzizak, Samarkand, Bukhara, Tchardzhau and Ashkhabad, to Krasnovodsk on the Caspian Sea; on March 30th we embarked on two ships, the Agamali Ogly and the Turkmenistan. The night of April 2nd, 1942, I spent on the beach at Pahlevi ..."

Herling should have perhaps said "among the first to be evacuated" since the first ship departed March 24 and he says he left almost a week later. Still, there is some delicious detail here.

John Halucha
Sault Ste Marie, Canada



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#54660 From: "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:33 pm
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Dear Krystyna,

Thank you for the explanation. I am wondering... lets say I set up a specific
collection for the Polish Navy. This would be searchable by collection, by
military experience of war as you point out, and also under related Gallery
(Polish Forces in the West)... then let's say I add a photograph of my father
and 3 un-identified Polish sailors.... then let's say Martin recognises one of
the sailors as his Father...
how would he be able to input into that? Because it does make sense that people
can't alter other people's collections.

The place to add names or comment would be the "comment" field at the bottom?

If a person was successfully identified, then the owner of the collection (me,
or whoever the "curator" or "moderator" is for the Polish navy collection) could
"edit" the description and add the identified names.

I think it would make sense to set up a specific Polish Navy collection (for the
purpose of family / recognition photographs) rather than us all having various
individual family collections. I think something would be more likely to get
missed that way. Better to keep it centralised?

Kind regards,
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

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#54661 From: "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:40 pm
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Dear all, another fascinating email from Wanda. We must get this book as we can identify Officers by place of birth (i.e. Kresy). Even though there may be some anomalies versus living in Kresy in Sept 1939 it would nonetheless be interesting.

Eva perhaps it would also be worth your while getting a copy for the UK for the PHD student?

"Thank you for your e-mail, very interesting news. Yes, the book "The Naval Staff of the Second Republic" (Kadry Morskie Rzeczypospolitej) gives the names of all naval officers and their place of birth. So you can see how many of them came from the Kresy. E.g. Dr Drozdowski Stanislaw Jozef was born near Stanislawow in Dolina, Tadeusz Ficek, mentioned in my book, came from Drohobycz near Lwow, you know about your Father of course. I occasionally find some information about their background from the Nasze Sygnaly. I wish you all the best and if I find anything else that might be of interest to you, I'll let you know. Best wishes, Wanda."

Kind regards,

Anna Pacewicz

Sydney 


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, martin stepek wrote:

Anna, thanks so much for this. I might get in touch with Wanda. I have all of my fathers war records from the MoD, and also the records of where his ships - Krakowiak then Slazak - so know most of his whereabouts in the navy from June 1943 to his resettlement in 1946.


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#54662 From: "Lenarda Szymczak" <szymczak01@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 9:11 pm
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Anna and navy group,

 

I am so excited for all of you, this is a tremendous breakthrough and it proves as the years go by, more and more information will be available,  but unfortunately what is destroyed is destroyed, what is broken remains broken. But the scraps which are found are treated like the most precious gem stones.    These books and information are of great benefit to all at KS.  Well done guys and girls.

 

Warmest regards,

Lenarda, Australia

 

From: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of annapacewicz
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Dear all, another fascinating email from Wanda. We must get this book as we can identify Officers by place of birth (i.e. Kresy). Even though there may be some anomalies versus living in Kresy in Sept 1939 it would nonetheless be interesting.

Eva perhaps it would also be worth your while getting a copy for the UK for the PHD student?

"Thank you for your e-mail, very interesting news. Yes, the book "The Naval Staff of the Second Republic" (Kadry Morskie Rzeczypospolitej) gives the names of all naval officers and their place of birth. So you can see how many of them came from the Kresy. E.g. Dr Drozdowski Stanislaw Jozef was born near Stanislawow in Dolina, Tadeusz Ficek, mentioned in my book, came from Drohobycz near Lwow, you know about your Father of course. I occasionally find some information about their background from the Nasze Sygnaly. I wish you all the best and if I find anything else that might be of interest to you, I'll let you know. Best wishes, Wanda."

Kind regards,

Anna Pacewicz

Sydney 


--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, martin stepek wrote:

Anna, thanks so much for this. I might get in touch with Wanda. I have all of my fathers war records from the MoD, and also the records of where his ships - Krakowiak then Slazak - so know most of his whereabouts in the navy from June 1943 to his resettlement in 1946.


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#54663 From: Mark <turkiewiczm@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Something about Stalin and Kresy 		turkiewiczm
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Thanks Stan.
This is wild to imagine.
I had read that anybody from Pilduski's legions were included on the first NKWD arrest lists.
I wonder if anybody that was arrested and was involved in the Vistual Battle was spared?
 
Mark T.
Canada
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Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:11:09 PM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Something about Stalin and Kresy
 
Dear Mark and all!Met with information, which, I think, a little light on why Stalin kill police and intelligence officers captured at Kresy, - which almost all were shot.
In
http://magazines.russ.ru/october/2010/9/sa12-pr.html
we read 

“Успехи Конармии закончились так же неожиданно, как и начались. В середине августа Буденный находился всего лишь в нескольких километрах от Лемберга, русского Львова, украинского Львива, до 1918 г. столицы Королевства Галиции и Лодомерии. Своими мощеными улицами, трамваями, варьете и роскошным отелем “Георг”, в котором был даже лифт, современный город производил впечатление оазиса, окруженного вязкой, окровавленной землей, сожженной содатами и орудиями.Однако Лемберг взять не удалось. Бабель с удивлением записал в своем дневнике 18 августа: “Что это – безумие или невозможность взять город кавалерией?” Он не знал, что двумя днями ранее Пилсудский начал в Варшаве контрнаступление и совершил “чудо на Висле”.Польский поход Красной Армии потерпел поражение. Лорд Д'Абернон, британский посол в Берлине, назвал в своем дневнике то время “восемнадцатой решающей битвой всемирной истории”.Она спасла Центральную и частично Западную Европу от “фанатичного деспотизма Советов”… Не столько Буденный, которого Ленин назвал “самым блестящим полководцем в мире”, сколько Сталин нес основную ответственность за неожиданное поражение.В то время как командующий Западным фронтом Михаил Тухачевский надвигался с севера на Варшаву, Конармия все еще стояла в 300 километрах юго-восточнее, перед Лембергом. Приказ о выступлении на север был выполнен не сразу: то ли по технической причине, то ли из личных соображений – военный комиссар Сталин был, вероятно, заинтересован в том, чтобы войти в русскую историю как завоеватель Лемберга. Центральный комитет вызвал его в Москву и потребовал объяснений, которые счел недостаточными: по решению ЦК и Политбюро Сталина исключили из Реввоенсовета Юго-Западного фронта...Вина Сталина в провале похода на Польшу замалчивалась, словно он к этому не имел никакого отношения. Спустя месяц Ленин решил предоставить историкам возможность изучить причины поражения. Однако им это, по существу, не дали сделать. В 1925 г. Сталин, будучи к тому времени уже генеральным секретарем ЦК, затребовал из Киевского государственного архива документы Революционного военного совета Юго-Западного фронта: секретные записи, записи телефонно-телеграфных переговоров, приказы во время решающих дней похода на Польшу. Документы он не вернул”.(Райнхард Крумм. Исаак Бабель. Биография. М., 2008. Стр. 62 - 63)

"Advances Cavalry ended as suddenly as it began. In mid-August Budyonny was only a few miles from Lemberg, Lviv Russian, Ukrainian Lviv, until 1918 the capital of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria. With its cobbled streets, trams, variety and luxurious hotel "George", in which there was even a lift, a modern city gave the impression of an oasis surrounded by a viscous, blood-stained ground, burnt SOLDIERS and tools.However, Lemberg was not taken. Babel was surprised in his diary on August 18: "What is this - insanity or inability to take the city cavalry?" He did not know that two days earlier, Pilsudski launched a counteroffensive in Warsaw and made the "miracle on the Vistula".Polish campaign the Red Army defeated. Lord D'Abernon, the British Ambassador in Berlin, described in his diary that time, "the eighteenth decisive battle of world history."She saved some Central and Western Europe from the "fanatical tyranny of the Soviets" ... not so much Budyonny whom Lenin called "the most brilliant military commander in the world" as Stalin had primary responsibility for the unexpected defeat.While the Western Front commander Mikhail Tukhachevsky was coming from the north to Warsaw Cavalry still standing at 300 kilometers south-east, in front of Lemberg. The order of presentation to the north was not executed immediately: whether for technical reasons, or out of personal considerations - Military Commissar Stalin was probably interested to enter in Russian history as the conqueror of Lemberg. The Central Committee had summoned him to Moscow and demanded an explanation, which found insufficient: by decision of the Central Committee and Politburo Stalin expelled from the Revolutionary Military Council of the South-Western Front ...Stalin's fault for the failure of the campaign against Poland in silence, as if he had to it was not involved. A month later, Lenin decided to give historians to study the causes of defeat. But they do, in fact, not allowed to do. In 1925, Stalin, being by then General Secretary of the Central Committee, requested from the Kiev State Archive of the Revolutionary Military Council of the South-Western Front: the secret recording, telephone and telegraph negotiations, orders during the crucial days of the campaign against Poland. Documents he did not return. "(Reinhard Krumm. Isaac Babel. Biography. M., 2008. Pp. 62 - 63)

It must be said (Sarnov), that the main culprits in failure of Polish campaign were Lenin and Trotsky.March on Warsaw was conceived by them as inspiration of the proletarian revolution in Germany and even in Italy. In July, when the army moved more quickly, Lenin telegraphed to Stalin that "should immediately start a revolution in Italy." Same order they were made with regard to Hungary, "it is also possible the Czech Republic and Romania."The capture by the Red Army in Warsaw was to be the torch that was supposed to ignite the fire of world revolution. According to the historical and political conceptions of Lenin and the theory of "permanent revolution," Trotsky Polish proletariat would gladly welcome the revolutionary Soviet troops. But as soon as these troops were in Poland, they were immediately taken by the Poles are not as revolutionary as well as Russian. This was the same - the old - "Slavs dispute between them", which once wrote Pushkin. None of what the world revolution or of the fraternal embrace of the Polish and Russian proletariat could no longer be any question. Poles now had to defend the country against of the ancient, ancient enemy.This is the main reason shook the world of the "miracle on the Vistula".Stalin, however, could not help but feel the military defeat of the "First Horse" as his personal failure.In any case, sloppy - but in fact, any - touching the subject caused him no less acute and painful reaction than the same careless touch to the dark pages of his Caucasus biography.

I made following conclusion.Stalin began to cover his tracks their activities already in 1925!, when he was still (in Soviet hierarchy)  5-6, - will receive full power at the end of 1934.Combined with tremendous suspicion and mistrust,  Stalin could "just in case" remove those who knew a lot about the failures of the Red Army in the war of 1918-20, - culprit it he was (with Trotsky and Tukhachevski, - he killed them earlier).That is, it removes unnecessary witness shame of the war in 1920.This version is not contrary to other versions, but complements its.

Stan from M.

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#54664 From: "Vincent Geffroy" <geffroy@...>
Date: Tue Feb 5, 2013 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: number in the military forces 		skydeberg
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Hi Anna
 
My father does have various medals, including the Virtuti Militari. My brother in the UK has all of them together, with a couple of the citations. The 2 British medals had either not been claimed by my father, or he did not know about them, as they were sent to my brother after he had requested my father's MOD records after his death. According to those records, he was awarded the following: 
 
Polish Medals: Virtuti Militari (Polish VC) Africa France & Germany

Stryz Walezmyk (Polish DSC) Naval Campaign

Polish Naval Medal

French Medals: Croix de Guerre

British Medals: 1939-45 Star Atlantic Star France & Germany

1939-45 War Medal

According to my father, his Croix de Guerre was awarded for operations near Bordeaux.

Kind Regards                                                                                                                                                                                 Karen Geffroy (Nikiel)

                                                                                                                                                                                                          

----- Original Message -----

From: annapacewicz

Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:52 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: number in the military forces

 

Hi Karen,

My pleasure! I did have another look and could not find another Nikiel... though it is possible I missed it because it is a hard list to search. However we are going to have the list scanned and digitalised with the names listed in KSVM. There was no number but I double checked and there was no number for my Father either. It seems that the listing is by medal and only the higher medals such as Virtuti Militari had the recipients numbers listed. The majority of the list come under the "sea medal" and have no number attributed. But within the sea medal listing I think the names may be by ship as well. I will keep you posted!

Yes it wild weather here in Australia so I am not at all surprised that your son in law has been kept busy.

Do keep in touch,

Kind regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent Geffroy" wrote:
>
> Hi Anna
>
> Thank you so much for taking the trouble to search the list for me. I am very excited that my late father is listed. St.Mar. NIKIEL, Edward must be him. His second name was Josef, not his first. If I may ask, what is the number assigned to him? From his MOD records he has a number. He also had an 8 digit number assigned to him when he signed up in Tockoje. Perhaps the numbers you mentioned are the individual's service number. I do not know the name GIERKA, Ludwik, but I am going to keep the information for future reference. Are there any other NIKIEL'S listed? My father apparently had a brother who served in the navy, but he did not survive.
>
> Hope your weather has eased off a bit in Australia. My son & his wife arrived last week from Sydney for an 18 day holiday & by all accounts you are having a torrid time with heatwaves & fires. He works as a Meteorologist in the extreme weather section of the NSW Weather Service, so has been kept very very busy over the last couple of months!!
>
> Best Regards
> Karen Geffroy (Nikiel)
> Cape Town
>
>


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#54665 From: "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...>
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2013 12:23 am
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: number in the military forces 		annapacewicz
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Hi Karen,

How wonderful for you! But really I cannot make sense of this book. I will scan
the pages shortly and send them to you / post them.

There are 52 names under the Virtuti Militari but your father is not listed so I
really don't know how it all works.

The title by this listing is "Kawalerowie Orderu Wojennego Virtuti Militari
1939-45: Stopnie przy nazwiskach wg. danych w chwili odznaczenia".

As this book is Polish, it only lists the Polish medals. My Dad has several
British MoD medals in addition to Polish ones but these are not accounted for in
the listing.

I will keep plugging away it.

Best regards
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney

--- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent Geffroy"  wrote:
>
> Hi Anna
>
> My father does have various medals, including the Virtuti Militari. My brother
in the UK has all of them together, with a couple of the citations. The 2
British medals had either not been claimed by my father, or he did not know
about them, as they were sent to my brother after he had requested my father's
MOD records after his death. According to those records, he was awarded the
following:
>
> Polish Medals: Virtuti Militari (Polish VC) Africa France & Germany
> Stryz Walezmyk (Polish DSC) Naval Campaign
>
> Polish Naval Medal
>
> French Medals: Croix de Guerre
>
> British Medals: 1939-45 Star Atlantic Star France & Germany
>
> 1939-45 War Medal
>
> According to my father, his Croix de Guerre was awarded for operations near
Bordeaux.
>
> Kind Regards
Karen Geffroy (Nikiel)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: annapacewicz
>
>   To: Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:52 AM
>   Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: number in the military forces
>
>
>
>   Hi Karen,
>
>   My pleasure! I did have another look and could not find another Nikiel...
though it is possible I missed it because it is a hard list to search. However
we are going to have the list scanned and digitalised with the names listed in
KSVM. There was no number but I double checked and there was no number for my
Father either. It seems that the listing is by medal and only the higher medals
such as Virtuti Militari had the recipients numbers listed. The majority of the
list come under the "sea medal" and have no number attributed. But within the
sea medal listing I think the names may be by ship as well. I will keep you
posted!
>
>   Yes it wild weather here in Australia so I am not at all surprised that your
son in law has been kept busy.
>
>   Do keep in touch,
>
>   Kind regards
>   Anna Pacewicz
>   Sydney
>
>   --- In Kresy-Siberia@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent Geffroy" wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi Anna
>   >
>   > Thank you so much for taking the trouble to search the list for me. I am
very excited that my late father is listed. St.Mar. NIKIEL, Edward must be him.
His second name was Josef, not his first. If I may ask, what is the number
assigned to him? From his MOD records he has a number. He also had an 8 digit
number assigned to him when he signed up in Tockoje. Perhaps the numbers you
mentioned are the individual's service number. I do not know the name GIERKA,
Ludwik, but I am going to keep the information for future reference. Are there
any other NIKIEL'S listed? My father apparently had a brother who served in the
navy, but he did not survive.
>   >
>   > Hope your weather has eased off a bit in Australia. My son & his wife
arrived last week from Sydney for an 18 day holiday & by all accounts you are
having a torrid time with heatwaves & fires. He works as a Meteorologist in the
extreme weather section of the NSW Weather Service, so has been kept very very
busy over the last couple of months!!
>   >
>   > Best Regards
>   > Karen Geffroy (Nikiel)
>   > Cape Town
>   >
>   >
>

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#54666 From: "halinajackowska" <halinajackowska@...>
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2013 12:44 am
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I need some help for my son who is in grade 2 with some facts that he could use
about Poland. If this is not allowed in this group I would appreciate responses
in private.

We would like to know what exactly is/was the main agriculture in Poland, I am
pretty certain that it is potatoes and sugar beats but would like to confirm
this.

What is actually Polish food? Is it perogies?

Of the three million poles that died during WW II, what exactly happened to
them? Why?

Also, could anyone explain how the borders of Poland changed because of WW II?

Is there anything else that he could add that might be interesting and
significant.

Again, hopefully this is not way off topic, and thank you ahead of time for any
responses.

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#54667 From: "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...>
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2013 1:14 am
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Dear group, I am trying to find out more information about the evacuation of Polish Airforce and Polish Navy personnel from the USSR on the 24th March 1942 across the Caspian Sea under "Operation Scrivner".

I quote from a book called "Polish Spirit" by Siberak and Polish Airforce veteran Wladyslaw Wojcik. He left Krasnovodsk on 24th March, arriving Persia 25th March 1942. He says

"Over a period of 11 days beginning 25th March, a total of 43,858 Poles were evacuated, the first substantial body of my countrymenn to emerge from the within the Soviet Union since the events of September 1939. Of these, I was privileged to be on the very first ship out which carried virtually all of the 1,387 airmen and sailors ear-marked for onward transfer to Great Britain under Operation Scrivener".

He had enlisted at Totsk and from Persia was sent directly to the UK, via Bomba and then South Africa.

My father had enlisted in Totsk and volunteered for the Polish Navy. He left USSR also on the 24th March 1942, left Palestine on 3rd July and by August was in the UK. Similarly another member I have been corresponding with - her father was in the Polish Airforce and left USSR on 24th March with quick passage onto the UK.

I would love to find out more about this arrangement (the evacuation of Polish Airforce and Navy personnel) under "Operation Scrivener". I tried to google it but couldn't find anything. I will also try the UK National Archives.

If anybody can shed any additional light on this, I would be very grateful.

Kind regards, Anna Pacewicz

Sydney


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#54668 From: "Vincent Geffroy" <geffroy@...>
Date: Wed Feb 6, 2013 5:25 am
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Polish Navy 		skydeberg
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Hello Anna
 
Thank you for attempting to get more information for me from Wanda Troman. She sounds as if she has done very extensive research on the Polish Navy. My father did not serve on ORP Slazak, nor on ORP Kujawiak: at least not according to his MOD records. He himself never mentioned either of these ships. He did, however, serve on ORP Dragon, ORP Conrad, ORP Baltyk & ORP Blyskawica between 1943 & 1948. I have the relevant dates from the MOD records. I had no idea that there was literature on the Polish Navy & its serviceman during WW2. It just goes to show what is out there that we have no knowledge of & it keeps hope alive that we may yet learn about our family history & ancestry which until now has still remained unknown.
 
Kind Regards
Karen Geffroy (Nikiel)
Cape Town 
 
 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:34 PM
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Dear Martin & Karen (and anybody else with an interest in the Polish Navy) ... following on from finding your father's names in the book that I have I emailed a lovely lady that I am in contact with, Wanda Troman, in the UK. She is a Polish Naval Historian. As you know, this book "Polska Marynarka Wojenna" lists all of the names from the Polish Navy during WW2 - though the list is not alphabetical and therefore very difficult to make sense of. Here is Wanda's response:

"Hello, Anna, thank you for your interesting e-mail. I'll help you if I can... Yes, it is difficult to find out more about the sailors listed in the Polish Navy Album of 1947. E.g. Edward Nikiel, st.mar. = Able Seaman. You go up the column until you come to the first officer. He is kpt.mar. = Lieutenant Commander of the Polish Navy Drozdowski Stanislaw. Next you have to see if this name is mentioned again in the same book. Yes, it is and it tells you that he was a doctor and also it mentions his medals. Then you have to have another book called "Kadry Morskie Rzeczypospolitej", (The Staff of the Polish Navy) Vol. II, published in Gdynia in 1966. This book should be in your local library or any Polish Library in your city. Look under Drozdowski Stanislaw Jozef, doctor. He served during WWII on the Kujawiak and the Slazak. The Commanding Officer of the Slazak was Romuald Tyminski-Nalecz who wrote, after the war, a book, his memoirs. The book is in Polish, it is Zagle staw, bandere spusc (Hoist Sails and Lower the Flag), published in Gdynia in 1999, but he mentions lots of names there. The long list is in the alphabetical order at the end of the book. He speaks of Drozdowski, but does not mention Nikiel. It means, to me anyhow, that Nikiel did not serve on the Slazak but on the Kujawiak. ORP Kujawiak is on Google. By the way, Drozdowski is also mentioned in "Nasze Sygnaly" (Our Signals) nr. 176 in an article by Z. Andrzejewski. You could also write in English a short letter to the editor of the Polish language newspaper, the Dziennik Polski, published in London. Their address is: Dziennik Polski, The Polish Daily, 238-246 King Street, Hammersmith, London W6 0RF. Their e-mail is: dziennik@...
They always publish letters from different readers. If I write to them I always use their e-mail. You could ask the readers if they have any information about the matters which are of interest to you. You could give them your e-mail address. By the way, do you you know any members of Mr Nikiel's family? Later in the day I am going to look up in different books if there is any information about Mr. Stepek. Best wishes, Wanda."

And also:

"Hello, Anna, Stepek Jan, Able Seaman, was on the Slazak on 5 May 1945. Best wishes Wanda."

Martin - I am presuming this was your father? Karen, remind me, do you think that your father served on Kujawiak?

Kind regards,
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney Australia


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